Feel i need to explain some basics of the story due to story length (ALL SPOILERS TAGGED)

very interesting

is the manga far behind the LN?

I just read a bit of the manga. From a revenge story to a power fantasy with childish themes such as "we're adventurers, we don't kill". These two sins make it completely unworthwhile to read. Most of the show will be other characters fawning over the mc while watching them "save people" as they let their attackers go. The first episode as well as the first two chapters of the manga are a bait and switch to generic slop. The mc is also completely the wuss archetype, sweating from as little as being held against the breasts of one of his harem women.

And no, this isn't a revenge plot. I've read the first 20 chapter before I dropped it. The mc has let every evil character introduced up til now live. Including the generic brigands, which they just beat down and leave to prey on the next victims. The story started showing its true self in chapter 8, a typical shounen that has a strict rule of not showing the mc ever take a life onscreen.

And the characters are one-trope caricatures with no depth to them, the amount of time I've read "inferior" in a single chapter is really sad. I rate the manga a solid 2/10, and the anime can't be any better.

@robertino129 Oh, that's just sad to read. I knew I was right not to get my hopes up.

I just read a bit of the manga. From a revenge story to a power fantasy with childish themes such as "we're adventurers, we don't kill". These two sins make it completely unworthwhile to read. Most of the show will be other characters fawning over the mc while watching them "save people" as they let their attackers go. The first episode as well as the first two chapters of the manga are a bait and switch to generic slop. The mc is also completely the wuss archetype, sweating from as little as being held against the breasts of one of his harem women.

And no, this isn't a revenge plot. I've read the first 20 chapter before I dropped it. The mc has let every evil character introduced up til now live. Including the generic brigands, which they just beat down and leave to prey on the next victims. The story started showing its true self in chapter 8, a typical shounen that has a strict rule of not showing the mc ever take a life onscreen.

And the characters are one-trope caricatures with no depth to them, the amount of time I've read "inferior" in a single chapter is really sad. I rate the manga a solid 2/10, and the anime can't be any better.

@robertino129 I just want to set the record straight.

In the first 20 chapters, Light took his revenge against Garou by killing his entire gang, but leaving him alive so that he could be executed at a later date, but Light makes sure Garou is tortured in a way that's worse than death.

Light let the generic brigands live because he was going undercover as a regular adventurer. Not a good idea to leave bodies that could blow your cover, and the brigands weren't worth taking to the Abyss for punishment.

So no, I don't agree that Light shows mercy to his enemies. Those who escaped death only did so because they weren't worth the trouble of killing.

@robertino129 Oh, that's just sad to read. I knew I was right not to get my hopes up.

@robertino129 I just want to set the record straight.

In the first 20 chapters, Light took his revenge against Garou by killing his entire gang, but leaving him alive so that he could be executed at a later date, but Light makes sure Garou is tortured in a way that's worse than death.

Light let the generic brigands live because he was going undercover as a regular adventurer. Not a good idea to leave bodies that could blow your cover, and the brigands weren't worth taking to the Abyss for punishment.

So no, I don't agree that Light shows mercy to his enemies. Those who escaped death only did so because they weren't worth the trouble of killing.

I just read a bit of the manga. From a revenge story to a power fantasy with childish themes such as "we're adventurers, we don't kill". These two sins make it completely unworthwhile to read. Most of the show will be other characters fawning over the mc while watching them "save people" as they let their attackers go. The first episode as well as the first two chapters of the manga are a bait and switch to generic slop. The mc is also completely the wuss archetype, sweating from as little as being held against the breasts of one of his harem women.

And no, this isn't a revenge plot. I've read the first 20 chapter before I dropped it. The mc has let every evil character introduced up til now live. Including the generic brigands, which they just beat down and leave to prey on the next victims. The story started showing its true self in chapter 8, a typical shounen that has a strict rule of not showing the mc ever take a life onscreen.

And the characters are one-trope caricatures with no depth to them, the amount of time I've read "inferior" in a single chapter is really sad. I rate the manga a solid 2/10, and the anime can't be any better.

@Kokujin-kun A complete lie. What do you people think you gain from lying about it? Light didn't kill anything in the first 20 chapters, period. The mere fact that you can't keep up with this childish manga is your own fault. Even worse, not only did he not kill Garou or any of his followers, he didn't even give the order. His follower did that of her own accord. The trope I mentioned stands.

Light let the generic brigands go because this is a childish story with the old trope of the mc cannot be shown to take a conscious, clearly alive, human life onscreen. Period. The fact that kids these days think an adventurer "leaving bodies" is an issue when the very purpose of caravan escort missions is to kill brigands that attack them is hilarious.

I never said that light shows mercy to his enemies, I clearly said something completely different. Your inability to comprehend it is not my problem.

@robertino129
He's 12 years old and the first woman who shows him a bit of affection after his mother planted an arrow in his leg.
How would you react if an other woman do the same ?

Read chapter 2 and chapter 3 again. Light executed Garou's band of warriors in front of him.

@Kokujin-kun I have literally no need to read chapter 2 and chapter 3 at all, kid. I looked at it before I wrote the reply. The action happens in chapter 4 - reunion - and two of the subordinates get killed by his maid because they want to flee, while the others get killed by that same maid because they all "lie" to him, trying to claim they know of the masters.

EDIT: ch 6, pg 6-10 has the latter, while somewhere in chapter 4 you see the former.

@Kokujin-kun A complete lie. What do you people think you gain from lying about it? Light didn't kill anything in the first 20 chapters, period. The mere fact that you can't keep up with this childish manga is your own fault. Even worse, not only did he not kill Garou or any of his followers, he didn't even give the order. His follower did that of her own accord. The trope I mentioned stands.

Light let the generic brigands go because this is a childish story with the old trope of the mc cannot be shown to take a conscious, clearly alive, human life onscreen. Period. The fact that kids these days think an adventurer "leaving bodies" is an issue when the very purpose of caravan escort missions is to kill brigands that attack them is hilarious.

I never said that light shows mercy to his enemies, I clearly said something completely different. Your inability to comprehend it is not my problem.

@robertino129

Just so we're clear, I'm talking about the chapters in the tankobon, not the scanlations.

@robertino129

First the manga is not the original source of the anime, it's a Light Novel.
I checked the Light Novel, Light orders Mei to kill the other Beastmen to leave no witness alive.

In case of the brigands, the scene was expanded in the Manga, we don't know what happen to them in the Light Novel, it was just related after they arrived in the city.

And finally, dont take what is written in a manga as the Bible, because some Mangas are very bad adaptations of the source material (for this series I don't know if it's the case though).

@groudonvert His age is utterly irrelevant. What I would do is irrelevant. The rules either chosen by the author himself or imposed on him by his production team has literally nothing to do with people or human emotion. That being said, how would a 12 year old child, or me when I was more immature react to being betrayed while having the power of life and death over someone? I'd definitively not be a little beach and have the guts to animate myself killing something. But then again, I'm not the guy writhing a shounen trying to please my masters and the government censors.

Also, it wasn't his mother, it was his romantic interest, which was clearly spelled out in the manga AND the anime as it happens in the first few chapters. Similar sexual vibes a kid has towards a hot teacher. You can't even keep up with the first episode?

@groudonvert I don't care about the light novel, I haven't read it so it is irrelevant to me. You're free to give your opinion on the light novel if you've read it, but don't bother @'ing me as I won't read it myself to have a debate over it.

And as far as the manga goes, I am correct as I always am. I am well informed about these topics to instantly smell author cop-outs and animation budget-saving slop from a mile away. When the author is loathe to draw the mc taking a life with his own hands in a revenge story, it's clear red flag.

Sure, if they don't follow the manga maybe it will be better. If it follows the manga however, even redo of a healer will be a better "revenge story" than this.

Yeah well maybe if it's a Manga, but this series was a Web Novel in the first place. A Web Novel doesn't care at all about editors and such, so the writer is free to write anything he wants (and if it wasn't obvious, that's also the reason why the title is so long).

A Light Novel is the adaptation of the Web Novel in a book format. It allows the writer to expand the story further than it was in the Web Novel (for example there were less members in the Concord of the tribes in the Web Novel than in the Light Novel) and sometimes tone down the series a bit (sometimes I wonder how was the Web Novel when I read a series like the The Soul Eater's Revenge, it's such a dark story for a Light Novel), but the general idea of the series, what made the editors interested in the project in the first place, remains.

@groudonvert What are - literally - the first words of my comment?


My comment couldn't have been more clear if it hit any of you guys in the face. Any arguments you guys previously came to me about chapters, story, etc. without prefacing it with the fact that you're NOT - in fact - talking about the manga have no value as a reply. As I previously said, I'm not interested in the web novels or the light novels. All my comments are clearly and eloquently written to include both the material I'm talking about, my critiques of it, as well as the fact that I don't think this anime will take any different approach than the manga. You're free to disagree, but don't debate me on the manga with arguments taken from the light novel.

@robertino129
You're funny, but I don't know anything about the Manga and you know nothing about the Light Novel xD
Also you pick up your examples in the first 20 chapters (thanks for confirmation), so allow me to add stuff I know from what happen later in the story, since it doesn't matter if it's the Manga or Light Novel, you didn't read them.

So, Light is not above dirtying his hands, he scares his own subordinates when he becomes angry. To give an example, in one confrontation he gave clear orders to not kill the target. But the said target pissed him so much that his subordinates had to stop him by force to not kill his foe with his own hands.

@groudonvert Let me get this straight, you're trying to counter one of my complaints



By saying



Do you even read what you write before you press enter? Thanks for confirming that what I said doesn't change even later on. I wasn't going to read it anyway.

@robertino129
I will say it one more time : death is a gift in comparison of what awaits those who enraged Light ; eternal suffering without hope of ever dying.
If that's what you call a "Shonen protagonist" then so be it.

@groudonvert No, it isn't. There is no eternal suffering. There wasn't even more than one or two panels depicting any sort of "torture", mostly mental. That is not eternal, it's some low quality cop-out by an inferior author who cannot be bothered to draw and describe it.

Overlord, re: zero, hell, even dark comedies such as eminence in shadow all have actual descriptions, animations and well written revenge substories in their overarching plots, complete with actual suffering. Not cheap offscreen cop-outs because the author was too cowardly or too incompetent to actually render them properly.

Again, literally nothing you said comes even close to countering ANY of my arguments.