Thoughts on the recent wave of Chinese donghua blowing up?

@billybub

Again, dodging my question you are a laughing stock frfr

Yeah of course you don't care about innocentchildren who is dying and you finally reveal your true color. You can live a life with no dignity and no shame its entirely up to you and you really chose to live that way🤷‍♂️


Fate? Your family have died fighting? How fortunate they are to not see their ancestors end up as a 30+ yr old man laying on his sofa posting hate speech online🤣 And also thanks for your concern of my family, they are living good in China and I will go back to visit them soon👍

@Zimmu yes I've had 2 great uncles who died at the hands of commie scum like you.

What "True Colors"? Pretty open about not giving 2 shits about people dying in wars they started. You don't want your kids to die, don't start wars...especially those you can't win.

@ForgotEyeWasHere some ...not all, i mean look at the recent isekai trend?? would u say thats from the west or Japan?

for instance Lazarus....i can see heavy western influence with this anime

Where in the UK or Europe have works been banned for attacking surveillance states?

Steroetypes are based on truth. They aren't wrong in a lot of instances.

Ha no. Most Muslims I met in my Calvinist days took their religion very seriously. They don't want to just chill and grill. As someone, who would be killed in their society, by bias is in my opinion valid. I don't like them and if anything people in the West don't take them seriously enough.

Not logical. If you look at human history you should expect conflict with cultures that incompatible to yours.

Well I don't hate China, since hey they are at least secular, which is more to be said than of the ME. Which again, unlike what the other victim poster in this thread thinks, yeah people don't like Donghua cause it ain't anime. This is a forum for anime and largely most people want to just talk about anime, not Chinese animation. I honestly don't think Donghua or Korean stuff should be on here at all, unless there is some collab. There should just be a separate MyDonghua website or at least a filter. I am on here for anime and anime alone.

@billybub

Its so funny you say this, and then you say "Pretty open about not giving 2 shits about people dying in wars they started." Why and when did your family died to communists? Was it the Vietnam war? The Korean war? All of which was because you own country had to meddle in OTHER country's business and conflicts. So according to you, I am not supposed to give 2 shits about your dead uncles because they died in a war that your own country chose to meddle in.

Do you even realize how many holes you have in your arguments? Not just this one but almost every one I was able to counter. If this is a chess game you would have been checkmated

I'm a big fan of the recent donghua blow-up, since I partially grew up in China.

To Be Hero X arguably brought donghua into the mainstream for the first time, and from what I've heard, LotM is the first time peak source material is getting adapted into donghua format. I only expect things to go even better from there.

It's really cool to suddenly see shows that look "familiar"; in Link Click, for example, basically all the backgrounds look like somewhere I could have been had I took a walk in China. I really cannot emphasize how significant this is, because it's one of these things people don't think about until they actually see for themselves. I had no idea anime was so "foreign" until I got to see a "familiar" donghua, so to speak. It's a trippy experience, and it's very interesting to see how culture affects different perspectives, messages, backgrounds, societal norms, and more in animated shows.

I feel like the hate for donghua is often not entirely based on objectivity. It's true that donghua stories tend to be weaker than anime, but, to put it into context: most donghua are basically the equivalent of anime original shows. Of course the writing is weaker overall; they're not adapting from a pool of already-successful source material. Furthermore, as someone with an understanding of Chinese culture, many story beats are cultural, which is why they seem off-putting for people unaware of Chinese culture. To put it simply: often, anime drama only hit hard because you as a viewer are partially aware of Japanese culture.

Also, the reason why donghua looks similar to anime is because the same generation that grew up with anime is now animating donghua. Additionally, a lot of anime is already produced using outsourced Chinese talent. It's that simple; donghua is "stealing" the anime look about as much as Avatar the Last Airbender is "stealing" the anime look.

The CPC's (not CCP; search why that is please) control on creativity is also exaggerated in western spaces. I've already given several reasons why donghua writing is weaker above, and in my opinion, these limiting factors are much more significant than "the government doesn't like artistic freedom". The government is also extremely incompetent and basically every Chinese creative circumvents their censors in some way. For example, in every shot of Wreck and Nice from To Be Hero X, Nice is positioned higher and Wreck is positioned lower. Then we see a rainbow fridge magnet on Wreck's fridge. Yeah, real subtle.

Speaking of which, I've noticed that so many people are brainwashed against China. They do have many human rights violations, and freedom of speech is heavily restricted for many controversial topics. However, it's not like North Korea. Social credit is not really the 1984-like system the media is playing it up to be. Nobody really cares if you use a VPN.


Hmm, seems like I wrote too much lol

@BilboBaggins365 Ugh... The ancient Assyrian empire. How can modern states compete? :DD


@billybub Which they shouldn't be. Culture is like a spiritual mirror of the people, but a government has many more layers to it than that. You can enjoy a culture from a foreign people even if you're not too fond of their government. If you think that ALL media coming out of China is state propaganda then I'd say you're brainwashed. Would you feel the same if Russia started making animation too due to their communist past?

@ItachiDeltaForce Isekai isn't the problem. The problem is that the West forces Japan to tone down their media, and ban ecchi. It's thanks to Onimai that anime creators decided to stop catering to the West. MahoAko helped a lot too.

@NS2D you're pretty special aren't you? If you're attempting to troll ill give you a 5/10. If you're serious..well there's window lickers and then there's you

@NS2D once again the CCP has complete control of anything coming out of mainland China. If Taiwan were to start making "anime" specifically labeled as Taiwanese I'd actually give it a shot.

@billybub Well, you're the one who has been shitposting and calling everyone a communist this entire thread so I thought it would only be fair :))

I've played a couple of good games from Taiwan.
https://redcandlegames.com/games.php

Everyone says that, but I never would have come to like anime if that were true. The general public knows more about Chinese culture than Japanese culture due to the former's longer history and larger diaspora.

@billybub Well, you're the one who has been shitposting and calling everyone a communist this entire thread so I thought it would only be fair :))

I don't understand why nobody's bothered to create one, given there's little overlap between anime and donghua fans. Anime fans are more likely to watch Avatar than Nie Zhe.

@billybub
@billybub
It's a lot funnier to not say it now when you seem to be so obsessed with that word xD

@NS2D then say it, or will you lose your credit score? Shits not hard. Prove me wrong, make me look like an idiot, im just paranoid. SAY THE WORDS.

@billybub The island of Taiwan that's currently run by the ROC? Why do you think I'm some paid shill just because I don't hate the people of China? I don't hate you or the people of Poland or any other country for that matter. If anything I want the endless and in most cases pointless conflicts across the globe to stop. Hatred and conflict only benefits a class that I doubt neither of us is a part of

@NS2D never said I hate the people of China. I hate the Government of China.

Funny how you call the Nation of Taiwan the "island of Taiwan run by the Roc" as if its somehow illegitimate.

@billybub Hey at least I tried! Should I say "the rebellious Taipei province" instead to make you feel even more right about your assumptions about me? It seems like you've already decided that I'm some hardcore Maoist commie so nothing I say is gonna go through to you anyways

Is that actually what the PROC calls it?

Chainese producitions is on the rise coz many veterans that are feed up with anime go ther coz it exotic and fresh for them. Also there are some unique prodictions like "Swalowed star" that anime probobly will never replicate...

Seems China also jumped on the anime bandwagon for the money, but I'm not interested in media from a country where artistic freedom is too restricted.

in my honest opinion .....Chinese donghua or whatever the fk its called is just riding the coat-tails & popularity of Japanime and the chinese have a long history of having a cheap-knock off culture & mentality....to me anime is Japanese & always will be, it has a far far greater historic & pop cultural pedigree & prestige than chinese donkey kong or donghua or whatever

Don’t forget Ne Zha 2 the most successful animated movie of all times.





https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

@Old_School_Akira

Dude, 95% of all the box office earnings Ne Zha 2 made were all from China. The freaking Demon Slayer movie grossed more than Ne Zha 2 did in the West.

This has nothing to with Lord Of The Mysteries tho, among other things it's a [supernatural] detective show.
Maybe you should give it a chance...



Even so, personally I don't care about its success, more if it's my cup of tea. All the evidences point at Ne Zha not being such.