| New drop-dead gorgeous game just dropped! Definitely keeping an eye on this one going forward. Really looks like anime "Lies of P" to me. Even the music is pure vibes: https://silverpalace.elementagames.com/en-us/ JP trailer: |
astroprogsMay 12, 2025 8:21 PM
| I rolled by eyes when I saw this trailer in my feed but I guess some people just eat it up ready to get their next yearly chinese gacha fix. |
| Really? If you want unique, there's nothing in the genre that looks like this game. |
| It's another chinese gacha fluffed up by UE5 effects. I'm growing indifferent to them at this point. |
| I feel that the game has a unique enough art style and unique gameplay to set it apart from its existing and upcoming peers. I mean, I look at this on one hand, and the other upcoming urban gachas like NTE and Ananta on the other, and I can immediately feel which of those doesn't look like a business-execs created game. It doesn't feel so... soulless and cheap. And by cheap, I don't mean it literally of course, as these games are NOT cheap to make. I mean it more in the "creatively bankrupt" sense. |
astroprogsMay 12, 2025 9:37 PM
| Damn skirk is cryo soverign No way |
| One of my favorite anituberisms was when people were saying Re:Zero was this intense deconstruction on anime tropes when it came out, and then years later when I got around to reading it it was just lolicon chuunige. |
| The gameplay is all the same man, dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic from other genres slapped on to be "creative". Another popped in my feed. You could call it Silver Palace and I wouldn't bat an eye. |
ShinsoPriestMay 12, 2025 10:02 PM
| These two games look absolutely nothing alike lol. Have you been sleeping well my man, because these eyes aren't working like they supposed to lmao It's even more apparent when you look at their gameplay. DNA is literally Warframe. ShinsoPriest said: The gameplay is all the same man, dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic from other genres slapped on to be "creative". Isn't that most action RPGs, though? What separates these games is also the execution and feel, not that any of them don't have any combination of "dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic". Because this statement is so reductive, it could even perfectly describe Nier, Bayonetta, Xenolade etc... Sure, why not.  |
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These two games look absolutely nothing alike lol. Have you been sleeping well my man, because these eyes aren't working like they supposed to lmao
It's even more apparent when you look at their gameplay. DNA is literally Warframe.
Isn't that most action RPGs, though? What separates these games is also the execution and feel, not that any of them don't have any combination of "dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic".
Because this statement is so reductive, it could even perfectly describe Nier, Bayonetta, Xenolade etc...
Sure, why not.
It's even more apparent when you look at their gameplay. DNA is literally Warframe.
ShinsoPriest said:
The gameplay is all the same man, dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic from other genres slapped on to be "creative".
The gameplay is all the same man, dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic from other genres slapped on to be "creative".
Isn't that most action RPGs, though? What separates these games is also the execution and feel, not that any of them don't have any combination of "dodge parry skill burst normal attack heavy attack shit with some random gameplay mechanic".
Because this statement is so reductive, it could even perfectly describe Nier, Bayonetta, Xenolade etc...
Sure, why not.
| @astroprogs its joke cause her listed element instead of vision or anything is seven serpent power |
| One of my favorite anituberisms was when people were saying Re:Zero was this intense deconstruction on anime tropes when it came out, and then years later when I got around to reading it it was just lolicon chuunige. |
| >Because this statement is so reductive, it could even perfectly describe Nier, Bayonetta, Xenolade etc... I mean that the gameplay is inherently limited because it's a gacha that has to sell you characters, so each character gets one combo, skill, and burst. While games like Nier or Bayonetta would be like controlling 20+ characters with the amount of options you get. That's why I'm not excited about these new gacha coming, they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game. >These two games look absolutely nothing alike They're both animefied chinese gacha with fancy effects from UE, they may as well be cousins to WuWa lol |
ShinsoPriestMay 13, 2025 7:33 AM
Welcome back Jingliu. |
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If I had a nickel for every character with white hair, is a mentor and voiced by Noto Mamiko, I'd have 2 nickels. They're really releasing both at the same time. |
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| Huh, Noto Mamiko is back? Haven't heard her in a while I thought she retired or something. |
ShinsoPriest said: I mean that the gameplay is inherently limited because it's a gacha that has to sell you characters, so each character gets one combo, skill, and burst. While games like Nier or Bayonetta would be like controlling 20+ characters with the amount of options you get. That's why I'm not excited about these new gacha coming, they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game. I feel that's a very narrow view, because you can treat all the characters in the team as a single character with a dynamic moveset you get to customize. It's not 3/4 characters with 3/4 combos, it's 1 character with 9/16 possible combos. Combos are also dependent on the core game mechanic, so a combo in Genshin is shaped by the elemental interactions, while in WuWa it's animation frame data. And neither feel even close to similar when it comes to execution. ShinsoPriest said: they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game. I mean, no? I've played so many action RPGs, and the experience I get from Genshin and WuWa are not only different from one another, they're different from these other non-gacha games as well. Unless you're just button mashing with no care for mechanics in whatever hack and slash game you play, games like WuWa, Endfield, Nier and Bayonetta will all feel nothing alike to play. There's an argument that gacha games give you content piecemeal, which I agree with, but saying that the whole meals are similar after everything is done is something I wholeheartedly disagree with. ShinsoPriest said: They're both animefied chinese gacha with fancy effects from UE, they may as well be cousins to WuWa lol I mean, if we ignore art styles and visual intention and only focus on universal visual effects that exist in every 3D modern game, Chinese gacha or otherwise, sure lol Do these two look like cousins?   Mei-o_Scarlett said: its joke cause her listed element instead of vision or anything is seven serpent power Honestly, I kinda lost interest in this character when she wasn't the anticipated introduction to a new element. Being Cryo was kind of a letdown, Vision or Soverign being the source. Everything else is either lip-service, or hints to the larger Honkai univers, which I kinda don't give two shits about. |
astroprogsMay 14, 2025 1:10 PM
| I can take images from two entirely different locations in Genshin and pretend they're unrelated too. |
| I said other things in my reply too, but okay lol ShinsoPriest said: I can take images from two entirely different locations in Genshin and pretend they're unrelated too. Again, you're missing my point. The point is art style and visual intention, which is what these screenshots were meant to show. There's no location in WuWa or Genshin that looks like Silver Palace, while there's in Lies of P. Which ones are the cousins again? |
| If they looked exactly the same I'd call them siblings. Cousins is good enough. Anyway gacha having to be playable on touchscreen means they will never be as complex as real games that can make use of lots of mechanics. Hell even BOTW which they all copy from when played by a pro is something WuWa or any of them will never compete with. They may disguise it with flashy effects but that's it. Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle as they say. Even PGR with their DMC5 collab can only copy some of the game's moveset, it's a far cry from DMC5 itself. I'm still wondering what's the point when you can just play the real thing. |
| Well, while complexity is an aspect that you can derive fun from, it's only one aspect. A game can be very simple, but very fun in other ways. A simpler game is not necessarily a worse game. ShinsoPriest said: I'm still wondering what's the point when you can just play the real thing. I don't play Genshin or WuWa because I want BoTW or DMCV complexity, and similar games can have very different aims. They're all fun in different ways that appeal to different appetites. You can enjoy both Assetto Corsa and Burnout Paradise. Both racing games, but when it comes to actual depth of the gameplay loop, one is "wide as an ocean" and the other is "deep as a puddle". I like the nerdy minmaxing of Genshin's elements system than the entirety of BoTW's combat system. I like the feeling of quickswaps and cancels in WuWa than nailing ways to juggle enemies in DMCV. I like playing with anime waifus too lol All while aknowledging that BoTW and DMCV run laps around Genshin and WuWa in terms of sheer nuance of systems. While I can't extend the combat system of any gacha game to have the intricacies of a fighting game in the hands of a pro, I don't want to either. This depth is not why I play and enjoy these games. ShinsoPriest said: If they looked exactly the same I'd call them siblings. Cousins is good enough. That's fine, if you can call Silver Palace and Lies of P cousins as well, because one looks way more similar to the other than to the "cousins", characters aside. |
| For a casual experience I can see the appeal since I still play Genshin, but it's not something I can get hyped over. A Nier sequel or DMC6 would get me infinitely more excited than Genshin 2 for example. Even turned based gacha RPGs like HSR and FGO limits you to a few skills per character while a full blown RPG like Final Fantasy X gives you a whole slew of options. For me a gacha is just inherently inferior by nature, and I'm pretty sure they're aware of this which is why they make it anime to appeal to the masses while adding lots of flashy effects. |
| Damn DMC3 just got steroids injected into it with the Crimson mod. |
ShinsoPriest said: For a casual experience I can see the appeal since I still play Genshin, but it's not something I can get hyped over. A Nier sequel or DMC6 would get me infinitely more excited than Genshin 2 for example. Even turned based gacha RPGs like HSR and FGO limits you to a few skills per character while a full blown RPG like Final Fantasy X gives you a whole slew of options. For me a gacha is just inherently inferior by nature, and I'm pretty sure they're aware of this which is why they make it anime to appeal to the masses while adding lots of flashy effects. There's no doubt that these games have to consider being played on a phone on the commute to work or on a launch break, so they can trade some depth. I'd just argue that they don't trade it for anything else. WuWa isn't flashier than modern DMC and HSR isn't flashier than modern FF/Persona, they're just mechanically simpler. You say they're inferior, and I both agree with the description and disagree on the connotation. That simplicity is the appeal, not the other way around. And because I enjoy both complex and simple games, I can be excited when I can get more of both. Sure, I'd be way more hyped if a Nier sequel got announced over a Genshin/Wuwa 2 as well, but that has nothing to do with them being inferior, it has to do with Nier being an exceptional piece of media that many of its full-blown non-gacha peers wish they can approach. I honestly wouldn't really care that much if BoTW3 or DMC6 got announced tomorrow. |
astroprogsMay 14, 2025 2:58 PM
| I would because I would get a continuation to Zelda lore and more DMC Dante Vergil shenanigans. More than Anime Waifu Collector #3000 at least. Oh and they wouldn't have gacha monetizations and battle passes and welkin moon bs waving in your face so that's a big bonus. |
ShinsoPriestMay 14, 2025 3:18 PM
| Kingdom Hearts Missing Link got canceled after 3 years of development. Welp. |
| Now it truly will be the Missing Link |
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| It's fine, we've still got this Missing Link |
| NTE CBT sign ups open today for people outside of CN if you're curious to try it out |
| Tower of Fantasy started off as Genshin knockoff. Now it's suddenly Zone of the Enders Armored Core Gundam, wtf? |
| https://x.com/tribenine_en/status/1922910215219053052 RIP Tribe Nine. Won't even make it to the end of the year. The disastrous release really killed it. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sega.persona5.the.phantomx.en Persona 5 the Phantom X English soon. >not available in your country That killed my interest. |
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ShinsoPriest said:
I mean that the gameplay is inherently limited because it's a gacha that has to sell you characters, so each character gets one combo, skill, and burst. While games like Nier or Bayonetta would be like controlling 20+ characters with the amount of options you get. That's why I'm not excited about these new gacha coming, they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game.
I mean that the gameplay is inherently limited because it's a gacha that has to sell you characters, so each character gets one combo, skill, and burst. While games like Nier or Bayonetta would be like controlling 20+ characters with the amount of options you get. That's why I'm not excited about these new gacha coming, they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game.
I feel that's a very narrow view, because you can treat all the characters in the team as a single character with a dynamic moveset you get to customize. It's not 3/4 characters with 3/4 combos, it's 1 character with 9/16 possible combos.
Combos are also dependent on the core game mechanic, so a combo in Genshin is shaped by the elemental interactions, while in WuWa it's animation frame data. And neither feel even close to similar when it comes to execution.
ShinsoPriest said:
they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game.
they're posing as these great games and people fall for it but it's all fluff designed to make you spend for stuff you naturally get in a real game.
I mean, no? I've played so many action RPGs, and the experience I get from Genshin and WuWa are not only different from one another, they're different from these other non-gacha games as well. Unless you're just button mashing with no care for mechanics in whatever hack and slash game you play, games like WuWa, Endfield, Nier and Bayonetta will all feel nothing alike to play.
There's an argument that gacha games give you content piecemeal, which I agree with, but saying that the whole meals are similar after everything is done is something I wholeheartedly disagree with.
ShinsoPriest said:
They're both animefied chinese gacha with fancy effects from UE, they may as well be cousins to WuWa lol
They're both animefied chinese gacha with fancy effects from UE, they may as well be cousins to WuWa lol
I mean, if we ignore art styles and visual intention and only focus on universal visual effects that exist in every 3D modern game, Chinese gacha or otherwise, sure lol
Do these two look like cousins?
Mei-o_Scarlett said:
its joke
cause her listed element instead of vision or anything is
seven serpent power
its joke
cause her listed element instead of vision or anything is
seven serpent power
Honestly, I kinda lost interest in this character when she wasn't the anticipated introduction to a new element. Being Cryo was kind of a letdown, Vision or Soverign being the source.
Everything else is either lip-service, or hints to the larger Honkai univers, which I kinda don't give two shits about.
| @astroprogs yea about that we probably WONT have a new element > AirConditioner — 5/13/2025 4:23 PM But either way, as I said Light (Celestia) and Dark (Abyss) are opposites of one another Light is revealed to be a refraction of all the 7 elements combined. So Light beings like Phanes and Descenders are what you get when you're able to wield all 7 elemental powers. This is also why Traveler is going around picking up elements one by one. We're completing Traveler as a Light being. Dark similarly to Light is able to wield all 7 elements, but unlike Light which is a natural occurence when all 7 combine, Dark instead "enslaves"/"captures" or mimics the natural 7 elements. This is why Delusions, which are more powerful version of Visions, are made using Abyssal powers. They're literally just mimicing Visions. This is also why we're not getting Light and Dark as separate elements. Canonically characters that have those two can just wield or mimic any element, so all characters that use those powers will be shoehorned in into an existing element for gameplay purposes Dain can literally just be Abyss powers mimicing Pyro now which in turn means he'll be Pyro in gameplay > AirConditioner — 5/13/2025 4:25 PM The Seven Shifting Serpent is probably the entity that spawns Abyssal powers I suppose wall of :nerd: |
| One of my favorite anituberisms was when people were saying Re:Zero was this intense deconstruction on anime tropes when it came out, and then years later when I got around to reading it it was just lolicon chuunige. |
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Huh, Noto Mamiko is back? Haven't heard her in a while I thought she retired or something.
| @ShinsoPriest she wont retire until re zero ends cause the author goons to her chaaracter too much to let her off |
| One of my favorite anituberisms was when people were saying Re:Zero was this intense deconstruction on anime tropes when it came out, and then years later when I got around to reading it it was just lolicon chuunige. |
| What the fuck… Also, such a well done mod. |
astroprogsMay 15, 2025 8:31 AM
| Pretty cool, that's about it though. I'm more looking forward to Fate collab, running around in the overworld with Saber and EMIYA will be funny. |
| C4 Mona is apparently Skirk's best 4th slot after Nescafe and Furina according to Zajef. I guess freeze + omen is pretty good. Maybe my C6 Mona will finally get some use. |
> P5X - Not available in your region > Stellar Blade - Not available in your region  ShinsoPriest said: C4 Mona is apparently Skirk's best 4th slot after Nescafe and Furina according to Zajef. I guess freeze + omen is pretty good. Maybe my C6 Mona will finally get some use. Always love it when an old "bad" character gets a chance to shine again when a new character is released. I'm highly likely to skip Skirk, but if I do get her in the future, I'd rather use Mona over Shenhe's cringe ass. |
astroprogsMay 15, 2025 11:16 PM
| If you thought Cartethiya's animations look like Saber, say hello to Cu/Scathach, complete with Gae Bolg and spandex: Man, I can't believe this is happening to me again. In the patch where they release the big character of the region, I'm way more interested in the red head in the second phase... First Changli with Jinhsi, now Lupa with Carty... EDIT: Dayum!!!  My only complaint is that I wish this wasn't a 4* skin and Carlotta got the Jinhsi treatment. Now that I think about it, why did they make it a 4* skin in the first place? A skin with no special effects or sig coating is no better than a mod, which people can already do. Oh well, missed opportunity. |
astroprogsMay 16, 2025 4:40 AM
Probably because modding is violating their ToS so if they catch you they will ban you, so they throw a legit skin for the good players who don't like to violate ToS. |
ShinsoPriestMay 16, 2025 7:08 AM
| Hm, Skirk might be beastly when you consider she doesn't need ER(ult uses its own unique energy) or EM(freeze lol), and gets +30 crit rate from Cryo Resonance and C4 Mona, and another 22 from her sig weapon. All those free stats being funneled into atk and crit dmg might make her very good. |
| Ironically, despite Skirk herself having no ER issues, all of her teams do. Majorly. This is because Skirk herself generates only 4 particles, and 2 of her teammates (Furina and Ice Latte), or 3 if you include Mona, don't catch their own particles and end up funneling most of them to Skirk herself, the character that needs none. (ER of each character to burst on cooldown is the bottom number in blue)  To fix this, you need to put Furina, Caffeine, or both, on Fav to have reasonable ER requirements. |
astroprogsMay 16, 2025 7:50 PM
| Is that with the recent buff to her particle generation from recent beta? |
ShinsoPriestMay 16, 2025 7:54 PM
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Is that with the recent buff to her particle generation from recent beta?
| @ShinsoPriest Her particle generation wasn't buffed per se, it was just made to proc on any of her moves instead of just skill. At the end, no matter what she does, she can't generate more than 4 particles every 15 seconds. |
| Well Furina doesn't need much energy with C4 and Caffeine is pretty much a shoe in for Favonius I think as a support character or just use Engulfing Lightning for extra damage. Mona's entire existence only needs ER so building high ER is simple for her, my Mona has 250ish ER with TTDS and Noblesse. |
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Well Furina doesn't need much energy with C4 and Caffeine is pretty much a shoe in for Favonius I think as a support character or just use Engulfing Lightning for extra damage. Mona's entire existence only needs ER so building high ER is simple for her, my Mona has 250ish ER with TTDS and Noblesse.
@ShinsoPriest Adjusting for C4 Furina and Fav Escargot: While certainly more manageable, it physically hurts me to see Cafe au lait on Fav. She deals a crap ton of damage herself. In fact, assuming equal cons, she does more than Furina, without even considering her sig Fork (now considered the best polearm in the game). For non-C4 Furina havers, RIP. |
| Yeah my Furina has 185 ER with Festering Desire, and Nesquik has 186ER with 2k attack on Engulfing Lightning, or 216ER with the weapon's burst effect. 66/190 crit too, looks pretty good. |
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Yeah my Furina has 185 ER with Festering Desire, and Nesquik has 186ER with 2k attack on Engulfing Lightning, or 216ER with the weapon's burst effect. 66/190 crit too, looks pretty good.
| @ShinsoPriest Keep in mind that Fav does a lot for your team, not just the equipping character. If you put Espresso on Engulfing instead, these become the team's ER reqs:  |
| Okay fine I have the dumb ER requirements. Happy? |
ShinsoPriestMay 16, 2025 10:09 PM
Friendship ended with Ayaka, Chasca Freeze is now my best friend. It's ludicrous how braindead this team is for how much damage it dishes out. In AoE scenarious, you get freeze and a ton of offield damage to enemies Chasca isn't targeting. In boss scenarious, Chasca truly gets to shine and her damage skyrockets, making up for freeze loss. There's also the fact that this team is extremely non-burst dependant, making it perfect for all endgame modes, including the new one coming next patch. Also, VV on Chasca is the secret sauce when Furina and Escanor are doing so much damage. Getting 100% uptime on VV, on two elements nonetheless and without even trying, feels amazing. ShinsoPriest said: Okay fine I have the dumb ER requirements. Happy? no, gib me sum of these cons Honestly, if I had so many C6s, I'd put Fav on everything. No exceptions lol. |
astroprogsMay 16, 2025 10:26 PM
astroprogs said: Honestly, if I had so many C6s, I'd put Fav on everything. No exceptions lol. I'm actually physically cringing from imagining my C6 Mavuika with Favonius, that's a cursed combination |
ShinsoPriest said: that's a based combination FTFY. |
| Get fucked, Ayaka. |
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