What are some games you think fell off the hardest over the years?

Atelier, now that it's going away from the turn-based battles that made the series fun. Now it's just trying to be an action series like most other JRPG's.

Overwatch, without question. The perfect textbook case of what happens when you disregard the "little things". Well that, and also disregarding much of the playerbase.

salute @ Mercy mains, this world didn't deserve your love and patience

You are not the only one who feels this way. :( I honestly loved the turn based system a lot more than the real time stuff. Some friends also say this too when we discuss this series

@Shishio-kun While I absolutely agree that Overwatch is the ultimate example of this, Mercy mains were the most toxic people ever in the player base...

@JaniSIr whaaaaaaaaa I had the exact opposite experience, many times! I admit a couple of them were very sassy back to anyone who was toxic first.

But Googling it just now I see you may be right lol. I think it may be a comp problem however. I only did comp a few times and I never went back because the wait was abysmal and ppl quit and never came back. I didn't see any point in doing it without a 6-person premade team. So all Mercys I knew were in casual QP and arcade (I have 2000 hours in each iirc). I got along with them really well and many of them were so sweet to everyone too. A lot of heart posts and UwU etc

Crash Bandicoot series... twice.

i had no problem until Crash Nitro Kart included even if for some people the last good game of the series was the original Crash Team Racing, in fact, i still return often to Crash Bash (i'll gladly choose it over any smash bros game any single day) and The Wrath Of Cortex was "more of the same" but fine overall (to date my only real issues with it are the long waiting screens and re-using the same character over and over as a boss). Twinsanity... gave up after two levels at best, played Crash Tag Team Racing too but even the karting spinoff was becoming weaker and weaker, i spent more time by going around the map than by taking part to real races. During the rest of the 2000's i only played briefly Crash Boom Bang and most of the Game Boy Advance games, but didn't bother with the following two main games. And then... N-Sane Trilogy happened after 7 years, it was cool, Crash Team Racing Nitro Fueled came after and it soon turned out to be my favorite game of the entire series and a set in stone member of my top 10 favorite videogames of all time... what could possibly go wrong?

... i hated the fourth game, abandoned it and uninstalled at about 1/3 of its entirety (luckily it was a borrowed copy and avoided wasting money on it), first two levels are fine and then it begins being sadistic just for the sake of it (and post-apocalyptic concept sucks). i won't go in details why, i don't consider myself a noob because i 100% and more completed every previous main game of the series at least once including CNK and the two PS4 remakes, but in hindsight it seems even more a game made infuriating on purpose to milk the series one final time and then abandoning it for real... that crash team rumble flop (refused to even try it after watching the trailers) and the recent (unsurprising...) cancellation of the 5th chapter are the final nails in the coffin.

@Shishio-kun Well, Mercy mains in particular always seemed like an echo chamber of people who refuse to learn the game, and would crucify you for any dissenting opinion on hero balance.

Mercy was my third most played hero, but I was a Widow main, and for example when I told people that in a Widow vs Mercy match up Mercy has a huge advantage just because of bullet size they didn't believe me, even though I have been plenty on both sides...

Though Mercy wasn't the only hero attracting particularly toxic players, and Overwatch in general had a very toxic community anyway...

I once had a guy throw because we "didn't deserve to win" because we had 5 dps and a healer, even though we had 7 minutes advantage in Anubis... Imagine getting upset over WINNING HARD.

I hate that game.

@JaniSIr D: I always wanted to play Widow but I simply did not know where to go and could never hit my headshots on real players :D

I was also a Mercy-third-most-played! I kind of consider myself a Mercy secondary main in a way because of this.

Maybe it's voice chat? I never got into voice chat, only text, so I don't remember much toxicity there and only about me a handful of times out of thousands of games.