[Oshi No Ko]
| I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him |
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Jollyne7 said:
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
(I'm anime only)
Not a single character in Oshi no ko seems to be a normal person.
We got that little shit of Kana being aggressive for no reason, Aqua having PTSD, Akane slowly turning into an anti-hero and Ruby going straight to the idol world despite knowing her mom and idol has been killed because she was an idol.
Not a single character here is rational so hoping Akane would be normal was nonsensical.
(Also Aqua is selfish as f so no matter who he ends up with that's gonna be a toxic relationship)
PS: I'm Akane fan. (The voice actress did have her impact on this but overall I think Akane is a stereotypical good anime girl and I like good anime girls)
| @DragyG Kana is sassy, likes to tease and brag, but at the same time, she helps or listens to someone when needed. she is completely normal compared to Aqua Akane or Ruby. |
| I disagree with every single word |
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Jollyne7 said:
@DragyG Kana is sassy, likes to tease and brag, but at the same time, she helps or listens to someone when needed. she is completely normal compared to Aqua Akane or Ruby.
@DragyG Kana is sassy, likes to tease and brag, but at the same time, she helps or listens to someone when needed. she is completely normal compared to Aqua Akane or Ruby.
I wonder why so many people consider Kana is normal. Is that a matter of cultural background?
| @DragyG and what is abnormal about her? she behaves like just a sassy and impudent teenager, but she knows how to behave when necessary. Compared to Aqua who lives for revenge and murder, Akane who will do anything for him, Ruby who was also obsessed with her idol Ai and then her brother since childhood, she is pretty normal. Other actors too. |
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FrierenSimpKing said:
I disagree with every single word
I disagree with every single word
How exactly do you disagree with the word but?
| @DragyG It's very easy |
Reply to Bolt4ever
Tell me you didn't understand that balcony scene without telling me you didn't understand it
You're thinking too much
if you compare 4th episode("I'll always be on your side aqua kun) and some scenes from the 5th episode
it can be easily summarised as something very simple
she simply wants to support and share aqua's pain with him
If she were to reject him at that moment it would had been inconsistent to what she said prior to the episode that she would always be by his side
mind you akane doesn't want to kill nor does she enjoy the thought of killing someone
and by "help" aqua she expanded on it this episode
it simply means that she would shoulder the burden of his crime with him
its like "oh since he's already desperately trying to kill someone and would do it WITH OR WITHOUT ME I'll HELP him do it so that I can share in on the pain" it's as simple as that
no matter what she would still accept him even if he was a naughty boy as she said lol
she's simply willing to go to hell and back with him
it's genuine love
Unconditional love
A love that's unselfish because she knows that their relationship wasn't even official
she genuinely loves aqua
You're thinking too much
if you compare 4th episode("I'll always be on your side aqua kun) and some scenes from the 5th episode
it can be easily summarised as something very simple
she simply wants to support and share aqua's pain with him
If she were to reject him at that moment it would had been inconsistent to what she said prior to the episode that she would always be by his side
mind you akane doesn't want to kill nor does she enjoy the thought of killing someone
and by "help" aqua she expanded on it this episode
it simply means that she would shoulder the burden of his crime with him
its like "oh since he's already desperately trying to kill someone and would do it WITH OR WITHOUT ME I'll HELP him do it so that I can share in on the pain" it's as simple as that
no matter what she would still accept him even if he was a naughty boy as she said lol
she's simply willing to go to hell and back with him
it's genuine love
Unconditional love
A love that's unselfish because she knows that their relationship wasn't even official
she genuinely loves aqua
| @Bolt4ever If you want to help someone murder out of love, without even wanting to know the reason, it doesn't seem very rational to me. If my boyfriend or friend started saying things like that (that he wanted to kill someone), I would be concerned and not say that I would help him because I wanted to share his pain. How long has she known him? a few months? I understand that she wants to support him, but it was possible to react rationally to his conversation and she went into crazy girl mode |
| fr she's a psycho. |
| Ofc she has problems but it doesn't make her bad partener for Aqua. She is willing to gor that far for someone she knows doesn't love back. She is still willing to be there for him. That's a good gf is anything. Is this relationship toxic yes and Kana is way more appropriate who can just straight up call out Aqua and knows him to the book(even last episode just by looking at Melts acting she knew it was Aquas influence). |
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Jollyne7 said:
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
(I'm anime only)
Not a single character in Oshi no ko seems to be a normal person.
We got that little shit of Kana being aggressive for no reason, Aqua having PTSD, Akane slowly turning into an anti-hero and Ruby going straight to the idol world despite knowing her mom and idol has been killed because she was an idol.
Not a single character here is rational so hoping Akane would be normal was nonsensical.
(Also Aqua is selfish as f so no matter who he ends up with that's gonna be a toxic relationship)
PS: I'm Akane fan. (The voice actress did have her impact on this but overall I think Akane is a stereotypical good anime girl and I like good anime girls)
| Ruby was a 12 year old when she died. Ruby didn't suffered that much trauma. She adored Ai so much she wanted to follow her legacy, knowing risks. How's that not normal to you Also Kana being petty, overconfident and trust issues leads to her bad mouthing again not really "abnormal" And if you think Aqua is Selfish after he did so much for everyone is lunacy. Is he ideal person heck no but he always strived to do good for his friends never tried to hurt them to achieve his goals. |
WaterMageAug 7, 2024 8:44 PM
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Jollyne7 said:
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
(I'm anime only)
Not a single character in Oshi no ko seems to be a normal person.
We got that little shit of Kana being aggressive for no reason, Aqua having PTSD, Akane slowly turning into an anti-hero and Ruby going straight to the idol world despite knowing her mom and idol has been killed because she was an idol.
Not a single character here is rational so hoping Akane would be normal was nonsensical.
(Also Aqua is selfish as f so no matter who he ends up with that's gonna be a toxic relationship)
PS: I'm Akane fan. (The voice actress did have her impact on this but overall I think Akane is a stereotypical good anime girl and I like good anime girls)
sharydow said: Not a single character in Oshi no Ko is "normal". They ALL have issues, serious issues. This is EXACTLY what the show is about. Trauma, struggles, mental health, and the general toxicity of the celebrity world. NO, Akane is not "Okay". But let me tell you, Kana is not Okay either. She was already not ok as a child, she was not ok with her family, she was not Okay when she was doubting herself and acting badly on purpose and her little childish rivalry against Akane is not her being ok either. Take any random character and they’ll have issues. We just learned today that The story opens with a child with cancer and a teen who is pregnant. NO THOSE CHARACTERS ARE NOT OKAY. This is NOT a show about happy characters having happy lifes. The show is not over, there will be even more stories about those characters being not ok. Now, about Akane. Yes she’s very much not ok. She has SERIOUS issues even. Akane in episode 4 was fully supportive and nice. Everything is good so far. But much earlier already her obsession over Aqua was already unhealthy. She was already putting Aqua on a pedestal and putting herself down. And in episode 5 that’s the result of that. She goes waaaay too far in her support, put her moral compass aside and straight up say she doesn’t care if Aqua is a bad person, she’ll follow him anywhere (dangerous level of dedication and servitude). And she’s ENABLING Aqua in the worse way. This is not ok. This is not a healthy couple. BUT, Akane is a character. A character doesn’t need to be a good person to be relatable, to be likable, to get attached to them. Akane has a lots of good qualities. Before episode 5, she was basically what Aqua needed (moral support and positive re-enforcement), she’s smart, she can read people like a book, she’s cute, she’s adorable when she’s angy and pouting like a child and her struggles are very relatable. She’s a GREAT character. Actually I don’t think a manga/anime managed to make two love-interest for the MC that were so much well done that the fanbase is basically split 50-50 between the two. Akane is arguably the less popular one, but by a hair. Incredible work, the split between the most and least popular heroine is almost never this even. I originally came into the thread to just shit post (actually I see I already did it lol) but I do want to say these are two very good posts that actually show a thorough understanding of the subject matter and how trauma and brokenness is a central theme across all of this show's characters, and of the simple fact that characters can be flawed people, and people can still like those flawed characters. So anyway, nothing more to add, these two fine people already said it much better than I'd be able to at this point anyway, but just wanted to shout the posts out. |
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@Liam19 Aqua is a very selfish character with low empathy. He serves his own interests first and when he do "helps the situation", it’s often out of boredom (might as well put my grain of salt) or for his own interest (the project needs to go well so that he can get close to a certain person). And very often he puts other people at risk with zero remorse. (Let me reveal to the journalists that Akane has attempted suicide, it’s a dangerous bet, it might affect her reputation online, but that’s like poker chips. I need to bet big to win big.) That’s selfish as FUCK.
And when it comes to moral supports, lots of characters are here for him, but he’s never there for others.
He’s not evil. He doesn’t mean unnecessary harm, he doesn’t wish terrible things happen to other, he’s not so bad that he would let someone fall to their death. Poor guy has trauma and do what he can. But selfish, I think he at least deserve to be called that much.
And when it comes to moral supports, lots of characters are here for him, but he’s never there for others.
He’s not evil. He doesn’t mean unnecessary harm, he doesn’t wish terrible things happen to other, he’s not so bad that he would let someone fall to their death. Poor guy has trauma and do what he can. But selfish, I think he at least deserve to be called that much.
| @sharydow after the argument we had last thread, I finally found this opinion about Aqua acceptable. Progress. But how's Kana doubting herself after not getting is not normal. There is some context missing for her rivalry with Akane in anime, but it's natural reaction, it happens to every person. You can say Aqua, Akane even Ruby to a some extent are not "normal". But Kana so far have been the most realistic person |
WaterMageAug 7, 2024 11:07 PM
| I love Akane on the anime this season but it was indifferent for me on manga lol |
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WaterMage said:
Ruby was a 12 year old when she died. Ruby didn't suffered that much trauma. She adored Ai so much she wanted to follow her legacy, knowing risks.
How's that not normal to you
Also Kana being petty, overconfident and trust issues leads to her bad mouthing again not really "abnormal"
And if you think Aqua is Selfish after he did so much for everyone is lunacy. Is he ideal person heck no but he always strived to do good for his friends never tried to hurt them to achieve his goals.
Ruby was a 12 year old when she died. Ruby didn't suffered that much trauma. She adored Ai so much she wanted to follow her legacy, knowing risks.
How's that not normal to you
Also Kana being petty, overconfident and trust issues leads to her bad mouthing again not really "abnormal"
And if you think Aqua is Selfish after he did so much for everyone is lunacy. Is he ideal person heck no but he always strived to do good for his friends never tried to hurt them to achieve his goals.
Before thinking a character doesn't have a problem try thinking how you would raise your children as a father.
You won't let your daughter be as much arrogant as Kana, right? Because that's what Kana truly is. That's not overconfidence when she clearly has a big lack of self esteem. Kana is being arrogant and haughty so she can hide how bad she feels about herself.
Would you really consider it's normal and okay for a teenage girl to have that much of a broken self esteem? Would you really not help your daughter if she had a broken self esteem?
Characters in Oshi no ko are humans yes but broken ones. It's not normal to be broken.
| @DragyG during Kanas idol debut their was a flashback when her mother left her when she stopped being famous and getting less offers. So yes her personality is broken due to lack of parenting. I see nothing wrong in your comment. But her problem of arrogance, neglect & insecurities are very normal problems for people to have. Unlike deranged folks like Aqua & Akane(except online bullying part)her struggles & motivation are much more relatable. Being broken and having struggles is also a normal part of being human & Oshi No Ko portrays that with every character. |
Jollyne7 said: She's great and creepy girls are precious gems.she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Jollyne7 said: Nah, I wouldn't like her so much if she was normal.I wonder if she is normal Jollyne7 said: *She wants to be dependent on him, and him on her.She seems to be dependent on him |
*kappa* |
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Uruichi said:
Atleast the characters are far more realistic and better written than most other bland and generic ones who have this so called saviour complex which makes them very one-dimensional at the end of the day as they are portrayed as flawless and idealistic compared to other people which is a trope that I’m tired of seeing so it’s honestly refreshing to watch and observe people who absolutely act in line with what their characters were built up to be so if u don’t like that then pls do yourself a favour and drop the show lol fictional stories don’t serve as a tool for us viewers to self-insert our own morals and agendas into the characters.
Jollyne7 said:
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
I know Akane has a lot of fans but... she's terrible. I mean, she's creepy. Aqua saved her life and it's obvious that she will be grateful to him, but after her statement that she will help him kill someone if necessary, without knowing the reason and with a smile on her face, I wonder if she is normal. Because it was serious, right? I don't like the fact that she's turning into such a pushy "I want to be Aqua's girlfriend and I'll do anything for him, literally EVERYTHING, because I owe him a debt and I want to help him." It's a bit of a toxic relationship. Aqua has ptsd and often doesn't think rationally, but I thought she was normal. She seems to be dependent on him
Atleast the characters are far more realistic and better written than most other bland and generic ones who have this so called saviour complex which makes them very one-dimensional at the end of the day as they are portrayed as flawless and idealistic compared to other people which is a trope that I’m tired of seeing so it’s honestly refreshing to watch and observe people who absolutely act in line with what their characters were built up to be so if u don’t like that then pls do yourself a favour and drop the show lol fictional stories don’t serve as a tool for us viewers to self-insert our own morals and agendas into the characters.
This but not for Aqua. In the anime (maybe it changes with the manga) he is the only one-dimensional character driven solely by revenge. To me Aqua is the worst written character in Oshi no ko so far.
| @DragyG you can call Aqua anything but bland and one dimensional😭😭 I mean cmon. I am taking the most degen(wholesome)trait [What benifit he has being a siscon to his revenge quest] |
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WaterMage said:
@DragyG you can call Aqua anything but bland and one dimensional😭😭
I mean cmon.
I am taking the most degen(wholesome)trait
[What benifit he has being a siscon to his revenge quest]
@DragyG you can call Aqua anything but bland and one dimensional😭😭
I mean cmon.
I am taking the most degen(wholesome)trait
[What benifit he has being a siscon to his revenge quest]
In the anime we didn't have Aqua being a siscon. Only Aqua being driven by his PTSD when Ruby told him she wanna be an idol.
| @DragyG siscon doesn't mean [That] I meant genuine care for Ruby - Doesn't let her join an idol agency - Restart B komachi under him and Miyako to fullfill Ruby's dream after pressure. - Joined the same school to keep an eye😭 - Handpicked and convinced both Kana & Memcho who he can trust into the team - Made contacts to to make sure the debut on a big stage - Helped them train - Supported them from the front He literally build B komachi from the ground up. He gets way less credit for this. He doesn't need to do anything of this if he only wants revenge.This is obsessive love and care for his sister. That's only to one person he does that for Kana & Akane too also helped guys like Melt, Abiko, Goa. |
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WaterMage said:
@DragyG siscon doesn't mean [That] I meant genuine care for Ruby
- Doesn't let her join an idol agency
- Restart B komachi under him and Miyako to fullfill Ruby's dream after pressure.
- Joined the same school to keep an eye😭
- Handpicked and convinced both Kana & Memcho who he can trust into the team
- Made contacts to to make sure the debut on a big stage
- Helped them train
- Supported them from the front
He literally build B komachi from the ground up. He gets way less credit for this.
He doesn't need to do anything of this if he only wants revenge.This is obsessive love and care for his sister.
That's only to one person he does that for Kana & Akane too also helped guys like Melt, Abiko, Goa.
@DragyG siscon doesn't mean [That] I meant genuine care for Ruby
- Doesn't let her join an idol agency
- Restart B komachi under him and Miyako to fullfill Ruby's dream after pressure.
- Joined the same school to keep an eye😭
- Handpicked and convinced both Kana & Memcho who he can trust into the team
- Made contacts to to make sure the debut on a big stage
- Helped them train
- Supported them from the front
He literally build B komachi from the ground up. He gets way less credit for this.
He doesn't need to do anything of this if he only wants revenge.This is obsessive love and care for his sister.
That's only to one person he does that for Kana & Akane too also helped guys like Melt, Abiko, Goa.
He helped B-komachi so he can actually have an influence on ichigo-pro and use ichigo-pro for his revenge.
He joined the school because he knows it will give him the required network in his quest.
He saves Akane cuz he knows her being weakened means it's easier to use her as a business romantic partner.
He helped Tokyo blade cuz Tokyo blade being a failure would mean he won't have the informations he want.
He helped Kana cuz he knew that if the series was a success he would have a talk with the guy knowing things about Ai.
(Didn't see Melt yet)
| @DragyG He have enough influence on Ichigo from the start being its very few member and "son" so he doesn't need that. Creating a idol group for Ruby has no alternate motif it's just love for his sister. So far atleast he didn't build any connection didn't join entertainment class and stayed alone. Also kids won't help him He may had a thought that saving her could be beneficial he had no idea of her talents. Yet. Tokyo Blade being a failure could be problematic for his career and his quest but still he wouldn't care. He only did out of whom die to appreciation for GOA. He collected his sample and thought about leaving then he gave that performance to elevate the quality again it was not asked for. (Go watch that episode it's a masterpiece) |
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Kipo0007 said:
@KimDokjaCompany She doesnt know anything about the mother situation and everyone thinks miyako is their mother. Only miyako, ichigo and gotanda know about the real situation. She gave him an advice with her own experience where movie/theatre productions staff do to children to invoke emotions since they are not capable to do so on their own much like aqua. So if you are gonna call the entire entertainment industry sassy or unaplogetically insensitive, then sure buddy.
@KimDokjaCompany She doesnt know anything about the mother situation and everyone thinks miyako is their mother. Only miyako, ichigo and gotanda know about the real situation. She gave him an advice with her own experience where movie/theatre productions staff do to children to invoke emotions since they are not capable to do so on their own much like aqua. So if you are gonna call the entire entertainment industry sassy or unaplogetically insensitive, then sure buddy.
In the second-to-latest episode, Akane revealed that she knows they're adopted, seeing that the twins are "Hoshino" and Miyako is a "Saitou". Also, my dislike stems from me not being a fan of her type of character.
| @KimDokjaCompany No publicly Ruby and Aqua are biological children of Miyako.(Ep1) Idk if anything changed. It's just her investigation. Even if Kana knew they aren't she had no idea what and who is their mother is. Only other info is their father left them. |
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Jollyne7 said:
@DragyG Kana is sassy, likes to tease and brag, but at the same time, she helps or listens to someone when needed. she is completely normal compared to Aqua Akane or Ruby.
@DragyG Kana is sassy, likes to tease and brag, but at the same time, she helps or listens to someone when needed. she is completely normal compared to Aqua Akane or Ruby.
I wonder why so many people consider Kana is normal. Is that a matter of cultural background?
| @DragyG Should it be different? Aqua and Kana are the most developed and realistic characters in the show in my opinion. |
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