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Jun 14, 2023 2:35 AM
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It isn't clear to me why Canute left the farm deciding to abandon his plan. Could someone explain it to me well?
Jun 14, 2023 2:41 AM
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Iamweeb_1 said:
It isn't clear to me why Canute left the farm deciding to abandon his plan. Could someone explain it to me well?

thorfinn and him talked it out so he left
Jun 14, 2023 2:43 AM
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EBOLAVIRUS said:
Iamweeb_1 said:
It isn't clear to me why Canute left the farm deciding to abandon his plan. Could someone explain it to me well?

thorfinn and him talked it out so he left

I know Thorfinn talked to him but I didn't understand what actually changed Canute's mind.
Jun 14, 2023 2:44 AM
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Iamweeb_1 said:
EBOLAVIRUS said:

thorfinn and him talked it out so he left

I know Thorfinn talked to him but I didn't understand what actually changed Canute's mind.

it was off screen and plus it doesnt really even matter
Jun 14, 2023 2:46 AM
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Canute doesn't want to kill people to achieve his paradise. He doesn't want to start wars, but it's what he must do to reach his goal.

When he hears Thorfinn, he understands that Thorfinn wants to take people who are affected by war and tragedy and build a new paradise for them.

Canute realises that he doesn't need to worry about the people who are affected by his wars anymore, because there's someone who will take care of them and allow them to live in a different paradise for as long as they can.

Instead of opposing each other, Canute feels like they are two puzzle pieces who can fit together to build a better world. So, he leaves Thorfinn and the farm.

TL;DR - He left Thorfinn alive because he thinks his goals are helpful and noble, and he left the farm as a sign of peace and gratitude towards him.
Jun 14, 2023 2:58 AM
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Thank you for the explanation
Jun 14, 2023 3:00 AM
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Iamweeb_1 said:
It isn't clear to me why Canute left the farm deciding to abandon his plan. Could someone explain it to me well?

I feel like when Thorfinn spoke to him about his dream he realized that he understood what he was trying to achieve and that maybe there was a better way to reach his goal. Thorfinn understands Canutes vision of what he wants to create and he doesn’t oppose it . Canute sees a bond between him and Thorfinn because they share a similar goal and he believes in him. I think it’s explained by the narrator that he didn’t take any action against the farmers and the common people and he became beloved and there was no uprising against him.
Jun 14, 2023 3:09 AM
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These are possible explanations, but what has become Canute's goal? I think now he wants to create a great kingdom without using violence. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Jun 14, 2023 3:12 AM
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Iamweeb_1 said:
These are possible explanations, but what has become Canute's goal? I think now he wants to create a great kingdom without using violence. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't read the manga, so I might be wrong. But I'm assuming that he will continue to do what he is doing, but on a smaller and less radical scale.

At the end of the day, he can't reach his goal without technically killing every single king on the planet.
Jun 14, 2023 3:38 AM
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RandomPerson9348 said:
Iamweeb_1 said:
These are possible explanations, but what has become Canute's goal? I think now he wants to create a great kingdom without using violence. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't read the manga, so I might be wrong. But I'm assuming that he will continue to do what he is doing, but on a smaller and less radical scale.

At the end of the day, he can't reach his goal without technically killing every single king on the planet.

umm.. correct me if I'm wrong. Canute came to the farm to own it which will give him financial support to maintain the army. But in the end, he didn't do it & left the farm after having the conversation with Thorfinn. So now to balance the financial crisis, he disbanded most of his army & withdrew forces from England. That made good relationship between the conqueror & the conquered. Aight.
BUT
what will happen now with those warriors who were made to leave the army. Aren't they just gonna start doing bad things agains? They're not gonna start farming & stop killing people right away, right?
Jun 14, 2023 4:02 AM
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chiheisensei said:
RandomPerson9348 said:

I haven't read the manga, so I might be wrong. But I'm assuming that he will continue to do what he is doing, but on a smaller and less radical scale.

At the end of the day, he can't reach his goal without technically killing every single king on the planet.

umm.. correct me if I'm wrong. Canute came to the farm to own it which will give him financial support to maintain the army. But in the end, he didn't do it & left the farm after having the conversation with Thorfinn. So now to balance the financial crisis, he disbanded most of his army & withdrew forces from England. That made good relationship between the conqueror & the conquered. Aight.
BUT
what will happen now with those warriors who were made to leave the army. Aren't they just gonna start doing bad things agains? They're not gonna start farming & stop killing people right away, right?

Nobody can be sure about that. But they are still going to live in Canute's area, and they all still respect him a lot. They probably won't attack places within his land.

I think Gardar's story helps a lot here. Most people in his army aren't fighting for fighting's sake, but to support their families. If there is no war, they will probably go back to their families and live as they lived before. It's the same as soldiers in our current world.

There is definitely a small subset of people who are bloodthirsty. But those can probably be counted on a single hand. They can be taken care of in a week.

Thorkell might be a wildcard tho. As I said, I haven't read the manga, so I don't know where he and his people go from here.
Jun 14, 2023 4:03 AM
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because this story makes no sense the characters are bots
Jun 14, 2023 5:57 AM
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Good thread. I got a lot of answers that I was searching for here 🙂
Jun 14, 2023 6:36 AM
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RandomPerson9348 said:
Canute doesn't want to kill people to achieve his paradise. He doesn't want to start wars, but it's what he must do to reach his goal.

When he hears Thorfinn, he understands that Thorfinn wants to take people who are affected by war and tragedy and build a new paradise for them.

Canute realises that he doesn't need to worry about the people who are affected by his wars anymore, because there's someone who will take care of them and allow them to live in a different paradise for as long as they can.

Instead of opposing each other, Canute feels like they are two puzzle pieces who can fit together to build a better world. So, he leaves Thorfinn and the farm.

TL;DR - He left Thorfinn alive because he thinks his goals are helpful and noble, and he left the farm as a sign of peace and gratitude towards him.

He also left England. It's still his, but he's not there neither his armies are there to control the people. He decided to rule by trust instead of force.
Jun 14, 2023 6:43 AM

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It might be plot convinience, but Thorfinn was lucky, that it was Canute he got to negotiate with. Canute was not invading farm for the sake of glory, but because he had to, so he could be reasoned with.
It real life, you may encounter someone who wants nothing but your destruction and hates you for what you are, so "True Warrior" ideology while noble, isn't perfect.
Jun 14, 2023 7:55 AM
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RandomPerson9348 said:
chiheisensei said:

umm.. correct me if I'm wrong. Canute came to the farm to own it which will give him financial support to maintain the army. But in the end, he didn't do it & left the farm after having the conversation with Thorfinn. So now to balance the financial crisis, he disbanded most of his army & withdrew forces from England. That made good relationship between the conqueror & the conquered. Aight.
BUT
what will happen now with those warriors who were made to leave the army. Aren't they just gonna start doing bad things agains? They're not gonna start farming & stop killing people right away, right?

Nobody can be sure about that. But they are still going to live in Canute's area, and they all still respect him a lot. They probably won't attack places within his land.

I think Gardar's story helps a lot here. Most people in his army aren't fighting for fighting's sake, but to support their families. If there is no war, they will probably go back to their families and live as they lived before. It's the same as soldiers in our current world.

There is definitely a small subset of people who are bloodthirsty. But those can probably be counted on a single hand. They can be taken care of in a week.

Thorkell might be a wildcard tho. As I said, I haven't read the manga, so I don't know where he and his people go from here.

yhh.. u r quite right.. that was really helpful.. thnxx mate
Jun 14, 2023 9:31 AM
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Talk no jutsu vinland saga edition.

on a serious note, Canute and Thorfinn are foils to each other.
Both are set about to achieve the goal of peace but in different methods.
Canute was convinced that he wasnt the only one and his way the only way to achieve the goal by Thorfinn.
Canute acknowledges this and gives Thorfinn a chance to give his shot too out of curiousity and somewhat respect..also because he was being eaten up by guilt internally (Sweyn chats).
Jun 14, 2023 10:14 AM

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Canute already felt guilty about what he was planning to do but meeting Thorfinn again and hearing his story influenced him to decide on a more peaceful method. Basically instead of screwing up his own people to force the English to submission with all his might he instead created a relationship based on trust.
Jun 14, 2023 10:41 AM

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he left in order to make less job for thorfinn 
Jun 14, 2023 2:34 PM
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Also does anyone happen to know if Canute leaving peacefully after talking with Thorfinn has any basis in real history? Since Thorfinn and Cnut were real people, I’m wondering if this event or anything similar to it happened in real life, because I was shocked at how easily Canute left the farm after briefly talking with Thorfinn.
Jun 14, 2023 8:30 PM
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Iamweeb_1 said:
These are possible explanations, but what has become Canute's goal? I think now he wants to create a great kingdom without using violence. Correct me if I'm wrong.

He still wants to create paradise and he still believes in necessary fights, Thorfinn showed him that he doesn’t need to attack these farms and attack others and therefore focused on different ways of conquering and expanding. Canute and Thorfinn have the same goal, and Canute’s actions are him “not making more trouble” for Thorfinn.
Jun 14, 2023 8:36 PM
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miles333 said:
Also does anyone happen to know if Canute leaving peacefully after talking with Thorfinn has any basis in real history? Since Thorfinn and Cnut were real people, I’m wondering if this event or anything similar to it happened in real life, because I was shocked at how easily Canute left the farm after briefly talking with Thorfinn.

From my limited knowledge, Thorfinn as a person only became known through the Vinland saga’s aka expeditions, so im pretty sure everything around thorfinn in the anime is not known in real history (someone who knows more please correct me if im wrong)
Jun 15, 2023 12:21 AM
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miles333 said:
Also does anyone happen to know if Canute leaving peacefully after talking with Thorfinn has any basis in real history? Since Thorfinn and Cnut were real people, I’m wondering if this event or anything similar to it happened in real life, because I was shocked at how easily Canute left the farm after briefly talking with Thorfinn.

Thorfinn Karlsefni and Canute the Great existed in the past, but they never had real-life contact. Their bond was created by the author of Vinalnd Saga.

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