Why did mappa use CGI?

Jan 11, 2023 2:14 AM

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-Filtodein- said:
Why did MAPPA use CGI for not only Denji and Katana Man, but also some devils?

be happy with whatever you've got damn it !!

Jan 11, 2023 4:19 AM

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Because drawing devils as detailed as the ones in csm is extremely difficult

Jan 11, 2023 4:20 AM

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sonu711 said:

because it's the 21st century not 20th century

But Mob Psycho 100 was 2D and looked better

Mob is ridiculously easier to animate. Character designs look like a 10 year old drew them. Not slandering mob, I love it, but csm is significantly more detailed. Just go compare the mangas.

Jan 11, 2023 8:25 AM

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-Filtodein- said:

sonu711 said:

because it's the 21st century not 20th century

But Mob Psycho 100 was 2D and looked better

Mob is literally a circle with a semicircle on top

Jan 11, 2023 9:33 AM

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because Mappa uses CGI in every anime they've produced. it's a thing that they do very well actually, especially at weaving it into 2D animation, it looks much better than what other studios have been able to do

Jan 11, 2023 6:41 PM

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Because realism comes with a cost. In my opinion, if they went and animated CSM with more simplistic character designs, a more colorful palette, more exaggerated animation and more focus on fast paced sakuga battle scenes instead of trying to make everything in the show sakuga, it would be a better adaptation. But at least all the endings are perfect and the slice of life and more calm moments are perfectly executed. And the Leech devil fight exists, so at least there was 1 AWESOME sakuga battle.

I really hope they cast someone for the direction with more experience in battle shonen for the next season instead of maintaining Ryu Nakayama. If they announce the cast for season 2 and Nakayama is in the direction role again, it will kill all my hype and hopes for a good adaptation and I'll probably only watch it when it finishes airing.

Jan 12, 2023 10:26 AM

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-Filtodein- said:
Why did MAPPA use CGI for not only Denji and Katana Man, but also some devils?

There are plenty of reasons. Some of the character designs are way to complex to do constantly in 2D animation while undergoing a lot of movement and they wouldnt look as consistent

Jan 14, 2023 1:32 PM

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Taguri said:

-Filtodein- said:
Why did MAPPA use CGI for not only Denji and Katana Man, but also some devils?

It's mappa. They like to to that. I think only good anime they did that I watched is jjk and takt op also looked really nice. I don't like mappa cuz in my opinion their CG kinda sucks. Whenever they used CG in CSM those scenes looked like they were in like 24 fps instead of normal 60 atl. I might be mistaken but when denji is turning his head to the side(in ep1 for example) he looked like he was lagging. Once again it might have been just me.

"instead of normal 60fps" the maximum in anime and most animation outside of gaming is 24fps, and even then there are always many images that are held for 2 or more frames.

Jan 14, 2023 6:26 PM

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The CGI looks bad, especially in the non-action sequences, like Denji in bed in episode 8 or the walking underground tunnel scene.

Seems the consensus is this is a mappa issue in general, so probably no better season 2, if we get it. At least it's not too distracting most of the time. Most of the action CGI came out better than the example scenes I mentioned above.

Bigger issue than the bad CGI is probably the non-matching/clashing CGI. Like, why have the 2D look the way it does when you're going to go halfway to Appleseed (2004) for your 3D style?

Why are there so many people in this thread literally just commenting to complain about the thread? Like, bro, if this isn't the topic you're interested in talking about, don't comment.

I'd like a citation from the guy claiming 3D is way more expensive. He seems to think 2D artists literally still use pencil and paper. Proper drawing tablets are expensive and need to be connected to not-low-end PCs. Anyway, seems to me 3D would vary from significantly cheaper, to significantly more expensive all depending on how much render-time was needed for the scenes (which could be scaled with either more hardware, or waiting longer).

Jan 14, 2023 11:56 PM

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mokahless said:
The CGI looks bad, especially in the non-action sequences, like Denji in bed in episode 8 or the walking underground tunnel scene.

I pretty much doubt the bed scene was CGI. And, what ''walking underground tunnel scene'' are you talking about?

mokahless said:
Seems the consensus is this is a mappa issue in general, so probably no better season 2, if we get it. At least it's not too distracting most of the time. Most of the action CGI came out better than the example scenes I mentioned above.

I'm pretty sure we will get a Season 2 or a movie.

mokahless said:
Why are there so many people in this thread literally just commenting to complain about the thread? Like, bro, if this isn't the topic you're interested in talking about, don't comment.

I agree.

mokahless said:
I'd like a citation from the guy claiming 3D is way more expensive. He seems to think 2D artists literally still use pencil and paper. Proper drawing tablets are expensive and need to be connected to not-low-end PCs. Anyway, seems to me 3D would vary from significantly cheaper, to significantly more expensive all depending on how much render-time was needed for the scenes (which could be scaled with either more hardware, or waiting longer).

I've heard that using CGI is more expensive in general, but requires less time.

Jan 15, 2023 1:01 AM

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dabitoo said:

Taguri said:

"instead of normal 60fps" the maximum in anime and most animation outside of gaming is 24fps, and even then there are always many images that are held for 2 or more frames.

Idk how to express myself and i'm really sorry for that. If I could show you it might be easier to understand.

Jan 15, 2023 1:05 AM

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mokahless said:
The CGI looks bad, especially in the non-action sequences, like Denji in bed in episode 8 or the walking underground tunnel scene.

Seems the consensus is this is a mappa issue in general, so probably no better season 2, if we get it. At least it's not too distracting most of the time. Most of the action CGI came out better than the example scenes I mentioned above.

Bigger issue than the bad CGI is probably the non-matching/clashing CGI. Like, why have the 2D look the way it does when you're going to go halfway to Appleseed (2004) for your 3D style?

Why are there so many people in this thread literally just commenting to complain about the thread? Like, bro, if this isn't the topic you're interested in talking about, don't comment.

I'd like a citation from the guy claiming 3D is way more expensive. He seems to think 2D artists literally still use pencil and paper. Proper drawing tablets are expensive and need to be connected to not-low-end PCs. Anyway, seems to me 3D would vary from significantly cheaper, to significantly more expensive all depending on how much render-time was needed for the scenes (which could be scaled with either more hardware, or waiting longer).

I'd like a citation from the guy claiming 3D is way more expensive. He seems to think 2D artists literally still use pencil and paper. Proper drawing tablets are expensive and need to be connected to not-low-end PCs. Anyway, seems to me 3D would vary from significantly cheaper, to significantly more expensive all depending on how much render-time was needed for the scenes (which could be scaled with either more hardware, or waiting longer).

And to make a 3D animation you need a lot of software and a high end pc which is far more expensive than a drawing tablet, and you don't need a high end pc to make 2D animatiion. What makes you think designing a 2D need a ton of RAM & high quality graphic card? even a shitty PCs from 1980s are capable for that. and why bought those hardware again when they can access it already at the studio?? It's understandable if software were counted as budget because they probably rented it, but a drawing tablet?? did mappa rent those thing?

and those scene you're mentioned about isn't even CGI, you're clearly didn't understand about animation

Jan 30, 2023 11:33 PM

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They probably thought they could make it seamless. I think they did a decent job, not perfect, but in time they'll improve.

Feb 19, 2023 2:14 AM

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the cgi was good but they put the budget in different ending, they need to put the budget more in action scenes and not in endings

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