Can you explain to me why you like Asuka?

ADreadnought said:
I thought that Asuka’s defining trait is how SHE IS so unlikable as a person. She’s a total ego freak and a beyotch to anyone who isn’t Kaji, especially Shinji and Rei. Then, of course, the horrifying episode 22 when everything is spilled out on the table about why she acts this way. I don’t think she’s supposed to be likable, in the same way how Shinji is frustrating to watch as a main character if you don’t relate to his struggles at all lol. Doesn’t detract from how well written the characters are (arguably), but the average socially healthy person will find it hard to root for them.

WaifuPop said:

That's why I think Evangelion isn't an anime for everyone. The average anime watcher or MAL user won't understand shit about the show and will criticize the characters without any valid explanation just because they can't relate to them at all. Shinji is a flawless written character, and people criticizing him are either too dumb or too mentally stable to understand him lol.

WaifuPop said:
Asuka is a great character, mostly because she's the same as Shinji, she hates herself and doesn't want to be hurt by others. But unlike Shinji, she acts all strong and proud of herself, when in reality she's extremely broken and mentally unstable, even trying to kill herself when she realized that she was no better than the other EVA pilots. She even craves for Shinji's affection but she doesn't even know how to show him love because she's the first who never received it, and she's afraid to be hurt again. This is what makes Evangelion the greatest series when talking about characters characterization: they're all extremely real and relatable, with their traumas and weak points. Each character is flawed, and that's amazing. I love Asuka.

Merve2Love said:



Dude. You've not yet completed a hundred Show's and you're already shitting on the "average" and "dumb" masses, like a true Elitist :D Mighty rich!

Keep it going

WaifuPop said:

What does it have to do with the fact that I haven't completed more than a hundred shows? I never said I was an elitist lol, I criticized the average anime watcher who shits on Evangelion for the dumbest reasons. And the fact that you got so mad and pulled the typical dumb argument of "you haven't watched too much animes!1!1!" just proves me right. Cheers ;)

Merve2Love said:


"So mad"? xD

I was making light fun of the fact that you acted like a total snob ^^ nothing more.
Also the count kinda does matter when talking about Anime in such general terms like you just did there, I think. Cause you're talking about the "average" .... But Hey, agree to disagree

Cheers ! :D

WaifuPop said:

I wasn't acting like a snob or anything, maybe there was a misunderstanding lol, I simply can't stand the average anime watcher criticizing something they don't understand without giving any valid explanation or reasoning (like they did with Asuka).

Merve2Love said:








The fact that you are talking (again) about the avarage Anime guy like he was somehow a bit less knowledgeable, on the subject and - of course - a bit dumber than you (despite you not having consumed that much Anime ) ...kinda makes you look snobby, I think. Im sorry.


Not the topic , tho^^ Won't reply anymore. So don't bother. Sorry if I upset you :D

WaifuPop said:

Bruh, the fact that I haven't watched hundreds of shows doesn't mean that I can't criticize a community or a certain group of people, especially the ones who watched thousands of animes and probably only got two or three of them. Quantity /= quality.

Merve2Love said:


*sigh* here I go replying again.

Nobody said that. But people who watched thousands of Shows have probably a better grasp on Anime, as a medium, objectively. Of course you can criticize. But don't act like you're better than the "average" Anime Fan. That's elitist and ------>snobby<------ behavior :D

okay that's it for real now xD

WaifuPop said:

Then again, you completely missed the point. Criticizing something /= being arrogant or snobby. Also, understanding something is much more important than just watching it or reading it, like most of anime fans do. And I'm not the only one noticing that.

Merve2Love said:



Again. YOU didn't read, it seems. I didn't say any of that. Read.

You called the average Anime guy, who's not agreeing with your opinion, "DUMB"
--> Right there. End of Story. Has nothing to do with understanding or Criticizing or any of the stuff you're talking about right now xD You acted like a dick.

TinaTunaTina said:
I'm not sure if you were talking about me since I was asking why people like Asuka, but If you were, I put why I was in the gray area about in my original post. I get her mindset, but that still doesn't make it right in the end. Either way, people are going to have different opinions on topics like this, nothing we can do ^^

WaifuPop said:

Someone who criticizes something without giving a valid explanation is, in fact, dumb. Or just didn't pay enough attention. And it's not me being snobby or anything, that's what most of the anime fans do, it's common knowledge. 90% of discussions here are because of that. I think you're the one who should learn how to read dude, you got everything wrong yet you continue to reply 🥱🤷‍♀️

Merve2Love said:


You know what's funny about that. Everytime you're arguing a point i directly quote you on that in my reply and discuss it, while you're throwing generalisations like "most of the anime fans" or "90%" or "the average guy" at me, like it's a big statement. I still haven't read a decent explaination on why your opinion is more valid than others. You just keep yelling "IM NOT SNOBBY!" at me. I get it. You would like them to explain why. And most of them do.


Also
You know...these kinda things are not something you can decide on^^ When someone calls you a snob, you were likely coming across as one.

WaifuPop said:

Are you serious now? 💀 I never said that my opinion was more valid than others, nor that I am the Supreme Anime Elitist (capital letters), you just assumed that to make your argument any valid bruh. I'm not an expert yet, nor the ultimate lifeform, I just stated what I see literally everyday on MAL, people who didn't got something in a show, creating a thread and eventually arguing with someone. That's it 🥱

Merve2Love said:



Wait...you'Re not an expert?
Let me get you the original post again


This is what you wrote:

-->That's why I think Evangelion isn't an anime for everyone. The average anime watcher or MAL user won't understand shit about the show and will criticize the characters without any valid explanation just because they can't relate to them at all. Shinji is a flawless written character, and people criticizing him are either too dumb or too mentally stable to understand him lol.<-----




So this is not shtting on the opinions of others and it doesn't come across as your opinion is more valid than others?
You're literally saying that the average guy is shit, while you're seeing the flawless nature of Shinji. You're even saying people who criticize him are dumb. I dunno....

Like....read this. xD How can you be this delusional.

🥱

WaifuPop said:

That's why I think Evangelion isn't an anime for everyone. The average anime watcher or MAL user won't understand shit about the show and will criticize the characters without any valid explanation just because they can't relate to them at all. Shinji is a flawless written character, and people criticizing him are either too dumb or too mentally stable to understand him lol.

WaifuPop said:

Dude, literally everything I've written in my first message I've repeated it and elaborated it over and over in the other replies and you still don't get the point. I don't want to sound rude, but how is that even possible? 💀 I've explained it to you so much times that I forgot myself bruh. Re-read all of it because I was pretty clear, it's just you missing the point literally everytime to make your argument work 🤷‍♀️

Merve2Love said:



So you're reply is: "Read. Im so clever. Just read" ? Dude you're not clear. You have no argument's. You were beeing a dick. And now you're pouting xD


What about people who have a different opinion beeing called "dumb"?
What about the average guy who isn't as knowledgeable as you?
What about the 90%? Where is that number coming from?
What about the fact that you're preaching about having the right to criticize, but you shit on everyone else who does, when not sharing your views
What about you giving your expert takes on Eva and then admitting you're not an expert?
What about less than 100 Show's watched?

WaifuPop said:

I find it extremely funny how you keep pointing out the same questions that have been answered before 💀. No, I never said that I'm superior, with "dumb anime watcher" I mean most users on this site starting threads to ask dumb questions or just trolling, and that's something you can't deny, you can just take a look and see by yourself. And no, I'm not calling out people expressing their opinions respectfully, but that category of fans starting an argument without being prepared to give proper explanations on why they think this and that. As for "you haven't watched too much animes!1!1!" this is the dumbest thing I've ever read today, and it says a lot. Do better dude, maybe next time 🤷‍♀️

WaifuPop said:

I find it extremely funny how you keep pointing out the same questions that have been answered before 💀. No, I never said that I'm superior, with "dumb anime watcher" I mean most users on this site starting threads to ask dumb questions or just trolling, and that's something you can't deny, you can just take a look and see by yourself. And no, I'm not calling out people expressing their opinions respectfully, but that category of fans starting an argument without being prepared to give proper explanations on why they think this and that. As for "you haven't watched too much animes!1!1!" this is the dumbest thing I've ever read today, and it says a lot. Do better dude, maybe next time 🤷‍♀️

Merve2Love said:



Oh, I get it. You're not supirior and you never said that. But you DID say that Shinji is well written and everyone who criticizes him is dumb......Dunno. You're starting to contradict yourself here, my boy^^


You're not calling out people, you say?
....Naaah....that's not quite right again. Should I pull up the original post again?^^ Or the one where you're calling out the "90%" or the "average Guy" ?


Okay, okay. My argmuent about the 100 Anime watched is dumb. So....how are you determine what a "flawless" character is, when youre idea about character writing isn't that broadened , due to your lack of Show's watched. Not saying you're "dumb" (only very weird people do something like that) Im saying it does matter, when rating Shows and/or characters. Get it? :D

WaifuPop said:

If you relate to a character on a personal level, it means that the writer did a good job and actually created a realistic character. While the thing is highly subjective, the fact that there are people who emphasize with a certain character and are ready to explain why (like I'm doing here), means that that said character is objectively good. You can like it or not, it's okay, but character's writing isn't just subjective. For your other arguments, I dunno how to spell it anymore, you just didn't get it 💀

Merve2Love said:



Yeah , well said. Im saying you do get more knowledgeable about a topic, the more you delve into it. You might change your takes on Anime, when having consumed a lot/ knowing a lot more about the medium. Think we're both right on that one.


stiiiill.....i know you hate me saying it.....you shouldn't go around calling people dumb for their opinions, especially when you're kinda sensible yourself, when it comes to critique^^

and ESPECIALLY.....when you haven't watched much Anime -> cause that means you don't know that much about Anime.

WaifuPop said:

Oh God
Again, with "dumb anime watcher" I mean the average guy who watches a certain show, doesn't get it, automatically goes on MAL and writes a negative review without elaborating further. THAT'S. WHAT. I. MEAN. I'm okay with people disliking a character, but damn you have to tell me why or else how could I believe you? For "you don't know much about animes because you haven't watched a lot", I disagree. I analyze every single anime I watch and I try to re-watch it if I don't understand something. So, even if the shows are few, I do my best to remember and understand ALL of them, while there are a lot of fans with thousands of animes in their list who probably don't remember the plot of most of them. I do that because I'm really passionate about animation and I believe in quality over quantity. However, I don't have a problem with speed watchers or "casual" viewers. Everyone is free to do whatever they want in their free time and enjoy whatever they like the most ;)

Merve2Love said:


Dude, I get what you're saying. And all that started this whole thing is me saying it's mighty rich of you, to just assume that they "didn't get it" while you did, escpecially when you yourself are self-admittedly not an expert on the stuff :) That's all.


About the other point. Right. I don't think you're not as smart or that Im better than you, just because I've consumed more than you (YOU do that with other things, but never mind)
Im simply saying that a guy who's watched 300 Anime has probably a better understanding , overall, about all this, than someone who has watched 5 Anime. That's just objectively true and not a diss.

->
If the guy who watched 5 Anime then goes on and shits all over everyone else, discussing Anime....that's a problem. Cause he's acting like an expert, when he isn't, all the while insulting other people.

Again....you saying people probably don't even remember their Anime-List, while you do is sooooo snobby and ignorant.... I do believe you're passionate. But that has nothing to do with this. You're not the chosen one xD Im sorry


lol...did you just say everyone can do what they want with their free time?....
Yeah....uh...good point......

Merve2Love said:


Dude, I get what you're saying. And all that started this whole thing is me saying it's mighty rich of you, to just assume that they "didn't get it" while you did, escpecially when you yourself are self-admittedly not an expert on the stuff :) That's all.


About the other point. Right. I don't think you're not as smart or that Im better than you, just because I've consumed more than you (YOU do that with other things, but never mind)
Im simply saying that a guy who's watched 300 Anime has probably a better understanding , overall, about all this, than someone who has watched 5 Anime. That's just objectively true and not a diss.

->
If the guy who watched 5 Anime then goes on and shits all over everyone else, discussing Anime....that's a problem. Cause he's acting like an expert, when he isn't, all the while insulting other people.

Again....you saying people probably don't even remember their Anime-List, while you do is sooooo snobby and ignorant.... I do believe you're passionate. But that has nothing to do with this. You're not the chosen one xD Im sorry


lol...did you just say everyone can do what they want with their free time?....
Yeah....uh...good point......

WaifuPop said:

This mf, this mf down there accurately represents me losing my remaining braincells while trying to explain to you that I'm not acting snobby or superior and that it's just my normal behavior.

Merve2Love said:



You stated basically that people didn't get it. You did.
They are dumb. You aren't.
People don't remember most Anime they watched. You do.

You're acting like you're up your own ass....and that's okay. Accept it xD

WaifuPop said:

Now I really hope you're trolling me bruh 💀. After all of this, all of these times I've explained my points of view and arguments, you still keep going with the same things over and over again? God I'm so done.

Merve2Love said:



Even if you explained some. That IS the core message of what you're saying.

Cmon, you're a Snob....or at least acted like one, cause you like Eva that much or whatever. It's okay.....