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Jan 6, 2022 12:03 PM
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I just finished this manga and it is one of my favourites of all time. But one thing got in my mind: if Gyro's goal was to guarantee the kid's freedom, did the release of the boy after monarchy ended made Gyro's main story point lose its meaning? I think the conclusion was great, but this question is still around my mind.

Jan 6, 2022 6:34 PM
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Yes. Spoilers below of course,






Not only that, Gyro's goal for entering the race wasn't convincing enough for me. And on top of that, the child died later due to a fever or something. Pocoloco winning the race also didn't sit right with me.

Johnyy entered the race to find out the secret behind possibly being able to stand and walk again.
Diego for fame, money, status...
Hot Pants for the Corpse Parts.
And Gyro...? For some kid? Really? No amount of 'it was to challenge his morals' and stuff will convince me that Gyro's motive felt shallow.

And talking about Hot Pants, she was killed offscreen. Bruh. And it was never explained why she knew about Diego's father. While I certainly do like the manga, it has some faults.
troilus_05sJan 6, 2022 6:42 PM
Jan 7, 2022 4:10 PM
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Saving the boy's life was just the reason why Gyro decided to enter the race, but it had never been established as everything that mattered to Gyro.
There were a lot more important things at stake, such as the collection of the corpse parts, helping Johnny to regain the movements of his legs, strengthening his personality so as to be able to beat Diego by craving more, saving Lucy's life, and defeating the president so as to make sure that he and Johnny as well as their families wouldn't be persecuted afterwards.
Guaranteeing the kid's freedom was just Gyro's initial goal, and not his only goal. Gyro's entrance in the race only gained more and more meanings along the way rather than losing any.
Even the release of the boy because of the end of monarchy may be understood as something that occurred because of divine Providence, especially considering how Gyro was shown going to Heaven in the end, so his strong wish to save the boy's life may have been granted.
“Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.”
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Jan 9, 2022 10:08 PM
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Mummykun said:
Saving the boy's life was just the reason why Gyro decided to enter the race, but it had never been established as everything that mattered to Gyro.
There were a lot more important things at stake, such as the collection of the corpse parts, helping Johnny to regain the movements of his legs, strengthening his personality so as to be able to beat Diego by craving more, saving Lucy's life, and defeating the president so as to make sure that he and Johnny as well as their families wouldn't be persecuted afterwards.
Guaranteeing the kid's freedom was just Gyro's initial goal, and not his only goal. Gyro's entrance in the race only gained more and more meanings along the way rather than losing any.
Even the release of the boy because of the end of monarchy may be understood as something that occurred because of divine Providence, especially considering how Gyro was shown going to Heaven in the end, so his strong wish to save the boy's life may have been granted.


Yes, you are right. It was his initial goal. But that initial goal is what made him apply for the race. Not Johnny, not the Corpse Parts, nothing else. No one is saying the stakes didn't get higher. They did. But the initial goal wasn't worth risking his life.
Jan 10, 2022 12:17 AM
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troilus_05s said:
Mummykun said:
Saving the boy's life was just the reason why Gyro decided to enter the race, but it had never been established as everything that mattered to Gyro.
There were a lot more important things at stake, such as the collection of the corpse parts, helping Johnny to regain the movements of his legs, strengthening his personality so as to be able to beat Diego by craving more, saving Lucy's life, and defeating the president so as to make sure that he and Johnny as well as their families wouldn't be persecuted afterwards.
Guaranteeing the kid's freedom was just Gyro's initial goal, and not his only goal. Gyro's entrance in the race only gained more and more meanings along the way rather than losing any.
Even the release of the boy because of the end of monarchy may be understood as something that occurred because of divine Providence, especially considering how Gyro was shown going to Heaven in the end, so his strong wish to save the boy's life may have been granted.


Yes, you are right. It was his initial goal. But that initial goal is what made him apply for the race. Not Johnny, not the Corpse Parts, nothing else. No one is saying the stakes didn't get higher. They did. But the initial goal wasn't worth risking his life.

Nah it was
Gyro was written as a kind hearted person from the start and they established how he didn't like the executioner system
Also Gyro didn't know how **bizarre** the adventure was gonna get
Jan 10, 2022 12:46 AM
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Yaboyblunty said:
troilus_05s said:


Yes, you are right. It was his initial goal. But that initial goal is what made him apply for the race. Not Johnny, not the Corpse Parts, nothing else. No one is saying the stakes didn't get higher. They did. But the initial goal wasn't worth risking his life.

Nah it was
Gyro was written as a kind hearted person from the start and they established how he didn't like the executioner system
Also Gyro didn't know how **bizarre** the adventure was gonna get


You are in the 1890s. You travel to an entirely different continent for a cross continental race which will take months for a little boy? And you don't even know if you can save him or not? How absurd it is.

Travelling to a different continent for such a long race in the 19th century is already crazy. And on top of that, Gyro had a weak motive.

What was saving that one boy going to change? In the future if someone else is wrongly accused and sentenced to death, will he find another race to get money? So everytime someone gets wrongly accused, Gyro will bail them out? That is silly. If he wants to save people from getting falsely accused, a change in the system is needed. Which Gyro wasn't doing.

If he disliked the execution system, try to reform it. He won't do anything by saving that boy. There were innocent people sentenced to death before he became the executioner and there will be after too.
Jan 10, 2022 7:28 AM
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Yaboyblunty said:
troilus_05s said:


Yes, you are right. It was his initial goal. But that initial goal is what made him apply for the race. Not Johnny, not the Corpse Parts, nothing else. No one is saying the stakes didn't get higher. They did. But the initial goal wasn't worth risking his life.

Nah it was
Gyro was written as a kind hearted person from the start and they established how he didn't like the executioner system
Also Gyro didn't know how **bizarre** the adventure was gonna get

Yes, the idea was that in order to save the boy's life he had to win a race; not to fight against terrorists from his country and the president of the United States.
And considering how much Gyro clearly cared for the race itself and his skills as a jockey, it's implied that Gyro had already a long experience riding a horse and a personal interest in the sport itself (even more than Johnny despite the fact that Johnny was from a family of jockeys while Gyro was not), so he thought it was a good idea to participate in the race to save the boy's life while doing something that he liked to do, and doing it while having in mind that, besides saving the boy, by winning the race he would have a lot of money and glory.
So I think it really made a lot of sense for a young man that he was to feel a personal interest in taking part of such exciting adventure while being able to tell himself that he wasn't doing it for vanity but for a noble cause.
It's not like Gyro was accepting to be tortured or to sacrifice his life to save the boy. Perhaps he would deliberately actually accept to sacrifice himself for it, considering how good Gyro was, and how he grew personally attached to the boy, but this wasn't even the case; It was really just a matter of winning a race.

I do not remember it being shown that he didn't like the executioner system though. He certainly was shocked at first when he found out about his father's job, but he probably accepted the system afterwards. It was just the boy's execution that he was strongly personally against because he noticed that the boy was innocent.

@troilus_05s
If you just consider them as numbers, then yes, it seems irrelevant what Gyro could achieve by saving just one innocent person from execution among many others. But Gyro didn't think like that; He thought that saving the life of one individual human being was an important cause by itself, regardless of how many other innocent people may be dying because of the execution system.
And it may also be worth mentioning that Gyro acted on impulse. He did not calmly calculate things thinking about the consequences of his actions in the long term. He was clearly going through an internal struggle because of that particular case of the innocent boy who would die though the job that he was inheriting from his father, so he saw the proposal of going to the race as a glimmer of hope to be able to ease his conscience.
ColtBuntlineJan 10, 2022 8:02 AM
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Jan 10, 2022 9:38 AM
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Mummykun said:
Yaboyblunty said:

Nah it was
Gyro was written as a kind hearted person from the start and they established how he didn't like the executioner system
Also Gyro didn't know how **bizarre** the adventure was gonna get

Yes, the idea was that in order to save the boy's life he had to win a race; not to fight against terrorists from his country and the president of the United States.
And considering how much Gyro clearly cared for the race itself and his skills as a jockey, it's implied that Gyro had already a long experience riding a horse and a personal interest in the sport itself (even more than Johnny despite the fact that Johnny was from a family of jockeys while Gyro was not), so he thought it was a good idea to participate in the race to save the boy's life while doing something that he liked to do, and doing it while having in mind that, besides saving the boy, by winning the race he would have a lot of money and glory.
So I think it really made a lot of sense for a young man that he was to feel a personal interest in taking part of such exciting adventure while being able to tell himself that he wasn't doing it for vanity but for a noble cause.
It's not like Gyro was accepting to be tortured or to sacrifice his life to save the boy. Perhaps he would deliberately actually accept to sacrifice himself for it, considering how good Gyro was, and how he grew personally attached to the boy, but this wasn't even the case; It was really just a matter of winning a race.

I do not remember it being shown that he didn't like the executioner system though. He certainly was shocked at first when he found out about his father's job, but he probably accepted the system afterwards. It was just the boy's execution that he was strongly personally against because he noticed that the boy was innocent.

@troilus_05s
If you just consider them as numbers, then yes, it seems irrelevant what Gyro could achieve by saving just one innocent person from execution among many others. But Gyro didn't think like that; He thought that saving the life of one individual human being was an important cause by itself, regardless of how many other innocent people may be dying because of the execution system.
And it may also be worth mentioning that Gyro acted on impulse. He did not calmly calculate things thinking about the consequences of his actions in the long term. He was clearly going through an internal struggle because of that particular case of the innocent boy who would die though the job that he was inheriting from his father, so he saw the proposal of going to the race as a glimmer of hope to be able to ease his conscience.


Yep preety much
At the end of the day, Gyro wasn't doing it for the boy's pardon or his country's honour
The act was just for himself and his own peace of mind or conscience
Jan 11, 2022 12:47 AM
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@Mummykun
You can punch on impulse. But going to a different continent on impulse?
I agree with everything you said that Gyro was struggling with his own morals, the nature of his job, etc.
So, I agree with you that Gyro participating in the race was for his own conscience. But you have to take into account this was the 1890s. Planes were recently invented as Magenta mentioned. And he crossed an entire ocean to race through a foreign land with no guarantee of any result. I find it a little too much. It wasn't convincing enough for me. It may be enough for you and that's fine. I don't disagree with that. I would have just liked a more solid reason. But anyway, I don't even consider this as a flaw in the story. My main complaints are still how Hotpants knew about Dio's father and how she was killed off. Which again, aren't major things. Just some minor complaints.

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