Paul is not in the wrong

Nov 4, 2021 10:22 PM

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I want preface with the fact that my personal stance does put Paul morally above Rudy in this situation rather I'm here to play the devil's advocate since I do believe Paul to a certain extent is morally right. My personal stance is that both are in wrong and the right.

Let's start with the biggest argument against Paul, which is his expectations for Rudy, a young teenager in his viewpoint, are too high. To that I would say, Paul technically has the right to have such expectations. From season 1, we have seen constantly Rudy be a more mature person than his father as it can be seen from the whole Slyphie situation. We have seen him have a god like ability to master magic at such young age. We have seen him being horny on main, which should not be possible by most kids. All of these claims lend to the fact that Rudy is a more mature person than a 12 year old, hence Paul can have such ideals. Note when talking about maturity, I mean intelligence and calm and quick witted.

The second argument people are making is that Rudy did not know his family that well or didn't have such connection. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure he at least knows this family better than the previous one because he is not a shut in. Not to mention, if he didn't care about the family he would have been okay with the family being torn apart, but instead he decides to mend their relationship. The family in return give him great affection and care. Yes, one could argue that the family wasn't talking to him too much during the time he was away, but to that I would say is they live in a medieval times world where communication is really hard, second it's not like they forgot him because on his 10th birthday we see Paul talking about he was not able to attend his birthday because of beasts attacking the village.

Third argument, no one can refute is Rudy's reaction to the village being hit by the beam and asking about Sylphie's well being rather than his family's well being is just wrong.

Anyways, thoughts?

Nov 4, 2021 10:53 PM

Zeroschool

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Well, you're not wrong. Good arguments.

Nov 4, 2021 10:59 PM

SoraEclipse332

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Fair enough, but the conclusion in the next episode, so i sugest you to wait until it aired. Bcs this problem between father and son need a conversation heart to heart. I also want to know how the anime handle it.

Nov 4, 2021 11:02 PM

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Paul is a scum and not so good of a father but he's not a bad person , some of the last threads were senselessly attacking him but , both rudes and paul are at fault but Rudes is in superior state.... he was literally just playing around all this time

Nov 4, 2021 11:08 PM

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I agree with playing devil’s advocate in this case. I’ll mention ahead the fact that I read this in the manga a few months ago and honestly this moment in the story really tore my heart into pieces until the resolution. There’s no way to pick a side in this argument, and there’s only understanding to be given to both parties. [SPOILERS AHEAD] if you haven’t caught up with the anime.

From the perspective of Paul: You have a seemingly good for nothing father that had an incurable case of playboy syndrome, but was in fact a caring father, although he still had much to learn in that regard. Aside from that, his love for his family is real. Therefore losing most of them in the blink of an eye, without any way of contacting or verifying their safety, and not knowing if they’re safe from the start, will essentially break any man and drive them to despair after years. (Please consider the fact of the time skip as a factor.)

From the perspective of Rudy: You’re a carefree reincarnated middle aged man that’s overpowered and could easily do anything you wished for with some effort, but still a child/teen as well when considering his day to day attitude. (exaggerating a bit, but slightly true.) Young and immature, or at least not having enough world experience to consider everything an adult like Paul can, you end up in an unknown terrain with somebody you care for dearly and your main instinct is to protect and survive until you can find the people who can help you. There’s nothing wrong with his logic and I believe his actions were, all in all, correct. Can’t blame a child for wanting to find something that can give him hope and comfort.

In the end, one can’t blame either for their actions, they both had their own worries and circumstances which developed a situation that was, at least for me, pretty heartbreaking to say the least.

Nov 4, 2021 11:20 PM

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Bruh Bruh Bruh physical abilities can't be compared to mental state we often see after achieving power and money ppl lose their mind so basically you can't expect a power or money holder to have thinking ability way too good.

Nov 5, 2021 12:07 AM

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You are quite right when you talk about it as a anime viewer.
But I must tell you that when he got teleported he was with Geslayn and Eris but he only sees Eris so he thinks only he and she got telephoned and he had no way of knowing that the whole region was involved. Infact it's a shock for him to see Paul.
Cuz he was caught by the beast folks he didn't pass by the port as the hear him saying in the last ep as a result he didn't see the notification bord on the port he was supposed to use to get to Mills so he had no idea his mother was missing.
When he was acting as a teacher to Eris he used to think about sylphy so it's natural for him to be sad that she is missing.
It's not like he doesn't care about Paul and his family ist just that he trusts Paul a lot. He even thinks he is one of the best swords men and Rudy has faith in Paul that he will keep his family safe no matter what (if you have read the ln or wn you already know that Paul is a really good person and will do anything for his family and same goes for Rudy when I comes to family)

Paul was not wrong he was just a but too drunk and Rudy was not right just a bit naive

(Shouldn't expect much from a 34 neet shut in who jerks off looking at 2d girls)

**the above abatement is a joke so pls don't quote me on it**

Nov 5, 2021 12:22 AM

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They are both right and wrong, just Paul is more wrong.

Given we know that Rudy possibly couldn't of known how big it was given he was dead centre of it and assumed the whole time that his family was still in the same place confirms why he wouldn't look for them as he in his mind he is just going to them.

Rudys fault lies in not reading the room, Paul was clearly looking like a broken man and he at no point asked what his situation was, but then went hostile in response to Paul just assuming Rudy would of done everything he expected.

Either way it's something that can be resolved with another discussion, I think paul wasn't in a position to hear that Rudy was having fun in his adventure even if it's not his fault for what was happening.

Nov 5, 2021 12:22 AM

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I agree on the most part exceptions being the last one. He literally saw her sister defending Paul. Of course then at the moment he would have considered that his mother was already safe. You could clearly see the surprise on his face when Paul told him his mother is yet to be found. And as for Sylphie, she was not a part of his family so her chances of being lost seemed quite higher to him.

Nov 5, 2021 1:21 AM

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Paul is a piece of shit, but he was also put into ultimately a much worse situation than Rudy.

so it's not like either of them were wrong, so much as Paul was pissed that Rudy seemed to have been having an awesome adventure while he had to be a single parent and look, unsuccessfully, for his wife and other children.

but...it was absolute piece of shit hours for Rudy to ask about Sylphie before his family, and kind of traces to his old NEET self, prioritizing waifus over his family in this world.

Nov 5, 2021 1:28 AM

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In my eye's both are wrong and right to the same time. As a viewer maybe Paul is more right I think, but Rudeus way is not wrong too. It was a suprising situation, of course there is a lot in his head.

But I think Paul do one big mistake. Rudeus is just a child. Of course he is a reincarnated middel aged men. But Paul don't know this. Just because he saw how fast Rudeus are in learning he thought that his son will get everything right. He forget totally that he is a child and childes have a other way to think than a adult how check the whole scene because of there knowledge. Paul was on a adventure in his young days and know a lot more than Rudeus. But Paul is right with the question: Why had Rudeus never wrote a letter or try to inform about the catastrophe.

Nov 5, 2021 1:43 AM

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You're totally right, Rudeus was a trash in this episode, Paul was totally right, but you still have to wait for the next episode so you actually know the whole truth and see it from each perspective, Rudeus was wrong in this situation for not explaining himself right and for not caring about what Paul went through this entire time, but for why Rudeus didn't search for missing people is because he didn't know about it in the first place and was focusing on something else, I don't consider him wrong for this but what he did to Paul and how he dealt with this situation was totally wrong and he's a trash.

Nov 5, 2021 1:57 AM

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i think that true..but rudy also not wrong .it just misunderstanding with does two

Nov 5, 2021 2:30 AM

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I wish that all who blame rudeus or paul just read the ln.... or at least the manga...
Booth of them love and care about the family and are willing to put their life in line to protect ....
Gosh, im gettin tired with all the anime only watchers

Nov 5, 2021 3:22 AM

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_Lyborick_ said:
I want preface with the fact that my personal stance does put Paul morally above Rudy in this situation rather I'm here to play the devil's advocate since I do believe Paul to a certain extent is morally right. My personal stance is that both are in wrong and the right.

Let's start with the biggest argument against Paul, which is his expectations for Rudy, a young teenager in his viewpoint, are too high. To that I would say, Paul technically has the right to have such expectations. From season 1, we have seen constantly Rudy be a more mature person than his father as it can be seen from the whole Slyphie situation. We have seen him have a god like ability to master magic at such young age. We have seen him being horny on main, which should not be possible by most kids. All of these claims lend to the fact that Rudy is a more mature person than a 12 year old, hence Paul can have such ideals. Note when talking about maturity, I mean intelligence and calm and quick witted.

The second argument people are making is that Rudy did not know his family that well or didn't have such connection. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure he at least knows this family better than the previous one because he is not a shut in. Not to mention, if he didn't care about the family he would have been okay with the family being torn apart, but instead he decides to mend their relationship. The family in return give him great affection and care. Yes, one could argue that the family wasn't talking to him too much during the time he was away, but to that I would say is they live in a medieval times world where communication is really hard, second it's not like they forgot him because on his 10th birthday we see Paul talking about he was not able to attend his birthday because of beasts attacking the village.

Third argument, no one can refute is Rudy's reaction to the village being hit by the beam and asking about Sylphie's well being rather than his family's well being is just wrong.

Anyways, thoughts?

You just told the thoughts I had regarding Paul n Rudy... It's like you just read my mind n quoted my thoughts😅..
I TOTALLY agree with you..

Yeah, the world would be dark without Light...
but without L, the world would just be a Word...

Nov 5, 2021 8:13 AM

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Fair enough, but why Paul didn't mention about his parents or relatives, huh? Like father, like son.

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Nov 5, 2021 8:23 AM

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SgtBaitMan said:
Fair enough, but why Paul didn't mention about his parents or relatives, huh? Like father, like son.

If you meant Paul's relatives, they're of Notos, ruling an entirely different region than that of Boreas, where the teleportation took place. You can in fact see them safe and sound in Episode 14.
Also Paul ran away from his house ages ago, they're no longer families.

Nov 5, 2021 8:25 AM

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Altter said:

If you meant Paul's relatives, they're of Notos, ruling an entirely different region than that of Boreas, where the teleportation took place. You can in fact see them safe and sound in Episode 14.
Also Paul ran away from his house ages ago, they're no longer families.

Yeah, that's why I said like father, like son. He had no priviledge of blaiming his child for not caring that much of the family.

SgtBateManNov 5, 2021 4:00 PM

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Nov 5, 2021 4:44 PM

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What the fuck, i love Paul now.

Nov 5, 2021 9:39 PM

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I aclually was having a conversation in a sepreat thread but couldn't post it because it was closed.
I'll post it here:

DaiMaouCC said:

Trust me what happened to Paul was so bad, I honestly feel so sad for him and hate Rudeus for hitting him like that... and yeah Paul in the past slapped Rudeus and It didn't work and was like nothing for Rudeus, he deserved a punch that is totally harmless for someone like Rudeus, he was wrong for speaking about woman when Paul actually never laid a single finger on one of these woman, and only cared for his family this entire time, and when Rudeus said "Mother and Lilia doesn't know about this woman right?" Paul responded "Of course they won't know!!! how would they know!!" that literally proves that he only cares for his family, Rudeus is a Scum honestly he was the bad guy here, imagine waking up in a random place with your daughter next to you, is this real anymore? where is my family?

So I decided to re-watch the conversation of Paul and Rudy. From the looks of the conversation it was Paul who started accusing Rudy of playing around with girls. This however was a deduction made off of nothing except trying to give a reason why Rudeus didn't send a letter.
Rudeus then says that Paul has no right to lecture him about women. And honestly that is a fair statement. Paul has not been the most fateful person. However Rudy's next statement is a false claim Paul punches Rudy and I feel that what Rudy said deserved it.

true, at this point I think rudeus shouln't have punched him back like he did. Though I can't help but be disappointed when paul finally explains the situation after the brawl. I then notice that he says a line that conflicts with an earlier statement. He says he expected Rudeus to have noticed ages ago however previously was unsure if he was still alive by saying "I'm amazed you survived". Now that I look back on the conversation, there are multiple areas that don't make sense

If Paul had just decided to not bring women into the conversation, Rudeus would still be feeling bad instead of mad. It's hard to gage the fist fight. Rudy got punched, Rudy tried to punch back, Paul tries to trip Rudy but he dodges and uses air magic to throw him up into the air and proceeds to punch him in the face 12 times in the face(and I agree that this is excessive for the situation)

In the end, I would say that in terms at who is at fault and for what it would be Rudeus for not asking elaborating on "what others?" and punching Paul excessively while he was down and no longer fighting back and Paul for bringing women into the conversation which is an idiotic connection to make. This is all I can basically blame them for.
All-in-all they communicate very poorly and they should both start thinking before they speak.

Nov 5, 2021 10:34 PM

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I don't love Paul however I don't blame him as much after watching him the second time.

_Lyborick_ said:
Let's start with the biggest argument against Paul, which is his expectations for Rudy, a young teenager in his viewpoint, are too high. To that I would say, Paul technically has the right to have such expectations. From season 1, we have seen constantly Rudy be a more mature person than his father as it can be seen from the whole Slyphie situation. We have seen him have a god like ability to master magic at such young age. We have seen him being horny on main, which should not be possible by most kids. All of these claims lend to the fact that Rudy is a more mature person than a 12 year old, hence Paul can have such ideals. Note when talking about maturity, I mean intelligence and calm and quick witted.

For your first point I would have to say Paul has a bit of an over glorified idea of Rudy. If we look at him as a whole, we know him to have many faults, he is a recovering NEET and has the mentality of a child. He may be more responsible in some aspects but his people skills are mostly being developed in the Isekai world. He also, (as given by the argument) may lack in observational skills and rationality. He thinks he is in a fantasy world and has a hard time with reality. Now, of course Paul is entitled to his own opinion. He doesn't see all the sides of Rudeus that we do. However, I believe that it is important to know when to be mad and when to be disappointed. All-in-all if it didn't turn into a brawl, then I would have no real gripe with that.

_Lyborick_ said:
The second argument people are making is that Rudy did not know his family that well or didn't have such connection. I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure he at least knows this family better than the previous one because he is not a shut in. Not to mention, if he didn't care about the family he would have been okay with the family being torn apart, but instead he decides to mend their relationship. The family in return give him great affection and care. Yes, one could argue that the family wasn't talking to him too much during the time he was away, but to that I would say is they live in a medieval times world where communication is really hard, second it's not like they forgot him because on his 10th birthday we see Paul talking about he was not able to attend his birthday because of beasts attacking the village.

I agree with this for the most part. However, I do think that Rudy has always had a bit of a strained relationship with his father. Honestly though, I think they are both responsible for the relationship they have for each other. Though, I have to give Rudeus kudos for trying to repair his relationship after that ordeal and detractors to Paul for being so quick to jump on him about "how he didn't send a letter cause of a girl".

Rudy told a tall tale but he didn't understand the situation. (again goes to the lack of specific social skills)
Paul was the first to lecture (which is fine and actually good imho)
Paul was the first to bring women into the conversation which elevated the situation making Rudy mad
Paul was the first to punch his son (I do think he deserved it a bit However Paul tried to continue the fight by trying to trip Rudeus)
Rudy punched Paul in the face 12 times which is an excessive amount(no bruises though so it is hard to tell how hard he hit him but it did seem like somewhat decent punches)

Honestly, without the eye, it is possible that Rudeus would have ended up the punching bag instead.

_Lyborick_ said:

Third argument, no one can refute is Rudy's reaction to the village being hit by the beam and asking about Sylphie's well being rather than his family's well being is just wrong.

To this I would say, "It's not the ideal reply but at least he is starting to get a better idea of the situation". And, because he is childlike and very naïve he assumes his mother is fine.
Someone actually mentions this idea here and I think it's a valid point.

notaweebprobably said:
I agree on the most part exceptions being the last one. He literally saw her sister defending Paul. Of course then at the moment he would have considered that his mother was already safe. You could clearly see the surprise on his face when Paul told him his mother is yet to be found. And as for Sylphie, she was not a part of his family so her chances of being lost seemed quite higher to him.

Honestly, he makes allot of bad judgement calls but at the end of the day, that is from a lack of life experience. (and he even thought to himself that he might not have had)

If anyone is in the wrong, it would be Paul for making such a leap in judgement in assuming why Rudeus didn't send a letter(even though he was just about to send a letter before seeing his father was in town). The way Paul talked to him was like he was trying to pick a fight and it's stupid to include such a half-done argument like that in a conversation. If he didn't Rudeus would probably be still reflecting on his actions instead of getting riled up at Paul.
But at the end of the day it's just a bad situation where both parties can't communicate well, start jumping to conclusions and react with violence.

Nov 6, 2021 8:06 AM

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I think this more as a communication problem (no, not you komi-san) within Rudy and Paul, both of them are right and no one is wrong.
I mean Ruddy was warped to a extremely far away and dangerous place, just to wake up in the care of a superd and discover that the "feral and crazy" warrior this should be is actually a leftover of a man betrayed by it´s "god" tying to atone for his sins, Eris who is a dependable fighter but also a time bomb that can explode and make a fatal error at any moment and no signs of Ghislaine.
Then they start to travel and arrive to that city (cannot remember the name) and there the death of the adventurer happened, after that the incident with the beast people and the rainy season that left them trapped 3 months, then again more long travels and troubles, not mentioning the delicate mental state of Ruijerd or the others problems they found. The key here was HOW Ruddy told all this to his otou-san (not chichiue, nor papa). I´m pretty sure that his intention was to astonih Paul and that is why our perverted friend decided to tell this as a big adventure.
And we barely know about Paul, but enough to understand that his 2 wives (you little pice of scum) and one of his daughters were missing, and looking at his physical state we know he was overstressed.
With all of this plus the expectations of Paul about Ruddy and the fact that Ruddy doesn´t see his family as a normal person would (this is purely subjective but I think Ruddy does not feel his family as "family") it was a normal reaction from Paul and Ruddy to think the other is wrong and punch the other in the face (yes, that is how mature adults resolve they problems).

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Nov 6, 2021 9:06 AM

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rbtFr4nc1S said:
I wish that all who blame rudeus or paul just read the ln.... or at least the manga...
Booth of them love and care about the family and are willing to put their life in line to protect ....
Gosh, im gettin tired with all the anime only watchers

Me too. People, read the light novels or the manga before you rush to judgment. It's an emotional point in the story and and seeing it acted out made it more powerful. The timing of the episode cut, leaving the situation unsorted was brilliant and built the tension higher. It was masterclass storytelling.
Rudeus and Paul are both deeply flawed characters. Whose flaws are worse is immaterial at this point. Let's see how they grow.

Nov 8, 2021 7:20 AM

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Jjordanadroj said:
I agree with playing devil’s advocate in this case. I’ll mention ahead the fact that I read this in the manga a few months ago and honestly this moment in the story really tore my heart into pieces until the resolution. There’s no way to pick a side in this argument, and there’s only understanding to be given to both parties. [SPOILERS AHEAD] if you haven’t caught up with the anime.

From the perspective of Paul: You have a seemingly good for nothing father that had an incurable case of playboy syndrome, but was in fact a caring father, although he still had much to learn in that regard. Aside from that, his love for his family is real. Therefore losing most of them in the blink of an eye, without any way of contacting or verifying their safety, and not knowing if they’re safe from the start, will essentially break any man and drive them to despair after years. (Please consider the fact of the time skip as a factor.)

From the perspective of Rudy: You’re a carefree reincarnated middle aged man that’s overpowered and could easily do anything you wished for with some effort, but still a child/teen as well when considering his day to day attitude. (exaggerating a bit, but slightly true.) Young and immature, or at least not having enough world experience to consider everything an adult like Paul can, you end up in an unknown terrain with somebody you care for dearly and your main instinct is to protect and survive until you can find the people who can help you. There’s nothing wrong with his logic and I believe his actions were, all in all, correct. Can’t blame a child for wanting to find something that can give him hope and comfort.

In the end, one can’t blame either for their actions, they both had their own worries and circumstances which developed a situation that was, at least for me, pretty heartbreaking to say the least.

It's a great example of why the writing is so amazing in this.

Nov 11, 2021 12:30 PM

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Calling a guy who cheated on his wife moral LMFAO

Nov 11, 2021 1:04 PM

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An1muMan said:
Calling a guy who cheated on his wife moral LMFAO

When did we start talking about his cheating behavior, I was here discussing who is more moral in this situation. Can't read LMAFAO.

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