| Strange how people who are watching Mushoku don't understand that the main character is not a hero but a guy with problems and who has made /still making many mistakes. People expect all anime to be about heroes and when they see a character who has many facets, they don't know how to deal with it and only remember his mistakes. Human beings tend to hate what is like them and want everything to be exemplary. Life is not exemplary and everyone is flawed. In the case of the protagonist, he learns this throughout the story, makes mistakes and tries to change this, while keeping some facets of his past life. Also, for me, it's a Seinen, not a shounen. Please use to prevent spoilers and Prevent spoilers and end people's experience. |
DMXIIIMar 25, 2021 5:56 PM
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| This is exactly why I enjoy this anime so much. The main character makes mistakes and learns from them. He isn't overly powered from the beginning and had to learn everything he knows. |
Nekomeister23 said: This is exactly why I enjoy this anime so much. The main character makes mistakes and learns from them. He isn't overly powered from the beginning and had to learn everything he knows. Exactly, we can see that even though he has a horrible past and has made mistakes, he shows a certain shame of that past and wants to change. And even though he has "changed" we can see that certain bad facets of him still exist, such as his perversion and tendency to manipulate the people around him, and because of these bad facets he still ended up making mistakes as we saw. This type of character is rare to see in the media, as they tend to divide the audience, but they are also the ones that are most talked about and discussed. Regarding his power, we can see that even though he is a genius and has a lot of mana, this doesn't make any difference since the world is so brutal that even if you are a genius, a thief can kill you. The story is very good in demonstrating this, i like when we can see that the main character can die in the blink of an eye. |
DMXIIIMar 22, 2021 11:25 AM
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| @88Cinthia88 haha someone said the word! I'm really curious how they'll make season 2. Hopefully the quality is still this high as s1 and the story just as interesting as s1 I hope so too, the animation quality is one of the best I've seen among these recent seasons. The animation and colorization of the characters are very good, the ambients and landscapes are at the level of studio Ghibli. The sound is okay, I won't say it's great, because it's at the normal level. By the way, I'm glad they didn't cut the anime to introduce an op, but made the opening more demonstrative of the settings and events. This is optimization of screen time. Even if the opening music is pretty forgettable, but it's always nice to have more anime time. |
DMXIIIMar 22, 2021 12:04 PM
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| Yes because he doesn't hace the decency to act as a regular person and decides to act as a pedophile |
IPFdomain said: Yes because he doesn't hace the decency to act as a regular person and decides to act as a pedophile And also @yungthoticus You are right in your observation, he has these bad traits of conduct and actions that are disgusting, that's why he can't be considered a hero or a good example, but rather an example of a guy who has character and conduct problems. The anime Mushoku is not about a hero, it's about a guy who has been given a second chance at his hands and he now has to choose between becoming a better person or continuing to be an unreliable person. What I'm saying is, Mushoku doesn't have to be judged as a hero anime and Rudeus doesn't have to be held up as a hero or example, he's an amalgam of hero, villain and an extremely troubled man. He is far from being a Deku and also far from being a Kira. |
DMXIIIMar 23, 2021 4:41 AM
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DMXIII said: Yeah you're right I wouldn't dare disrespect kira by comparing him to a grown ass man that masterbated to a video of his naked niece IPFdomain said: Yes because he doesn't hace the decency to act as a regular person and decides to act as a pedophile And also @yungthoticus You are right in your observation, he has these bad traits of conduct and actions that are disgusting, that's why he can't be considered a hero or a good example, but rather an example of a guy who has character and conduct problems. The anime Mushoku is not about a hero, it's about a guy who has been given a second chance at his hands and he now has to choose between becoming a better person or continuing to be an unreliable person. What I'm saying is, Mushoku doesn't have to be judged as a hero anime and Rudeus doesn't have to be held up as a hero or example, he's an amalgam of hero, villain and an extremely troubled man. He is far from being a Deku and also far from being a Kira. |
| @IPFdomain Yeah you're right I wouldn't dare disrespect kira by comparing him to a grown ass man that masterbated to a video of his naked niece Kira and Rudeus are not examples of good people or good morals, as each sins in different facets of conduct and both are flawed in their moral decisions. Murder, manipulation, sadism and self-centeredness, failure of conduct and morality - Kira Perversion, manipulation, failure of conduct and morality - Rude None of them should be respected or all as examples, we should understand them as negative examples on both sides. That's why I say, we should see Rudeus as a flawed person and not as a hero. If you watched Death Note with in mind that it was an anime about villain, Mushoku should be watched as an anime of a flawed person. Anyway, what you said about the actions of the past, they are horrible and this I don't disagree with and moreover I support your point of view, but I ask a question, a person who has done this in the past, can he not in the future improve? Can he have redemption or is he doomed to be seen as a monster? I like works that make us question the morals of the characters and help us reflect on what is right and wrong. |
DMXIIIMar 23, 2021 5:52 AM
Anywhere in the Galaxy |
DMXIII said: he has shown no such thing has having a redemption, have we even been watching the same anime ?? He literally gropes red haired girl and tries to have sex with her he is still a fucking pedo reincarnation or not@IPFdomain Yeah you're right I wouldn't dare disrespect kira by comparing him to a grown ass man that masterbated to a video of his naked niece Kira and Rudeus are not examples of good people or good morals, as each sins in different facets of conduct and both are flawed in their moral decisions. Murder, manipulation, sadism and self-centeredness, failure of conduct and morality - Kira Perversion, manipulation, failure of conduct and morality - Rude None of them should be respected or all as examples, we should understand them as negative examples on both sides. That's why I say, we should see Rudeus as a flawed person and not as a hero. If you watched Death Note with in mind that it was an anime about villain, Mushoku should be watched as an anime of a flawed person. Anyway, what you said about the actions of the past, they are horrible and this I don't disagree with and moreover I support your point of view, but I ask a question, a person who has done this in the past, can he not in the future improve? Can he have redemption or is he doomed to be seen as a monster? |
| @IPFdomain We watched the same anime, but we had a different point of view on the same subject. Yes I have seen this part and I say that this action is horrendous, but we must see that the anime/history is set in a medieval era where these kinds of events are common for society, which seen today is totally horrendous and to me is more than disgusting. My point is, he is a totally flawed person and he is still making the same mistakes, but these mistakes have led him to go through horrible situations. And if he doesn't improve and gets worse in his actions, for you will the anime get worse or will you keep watching to see how far he can make his own life worse? And if he does improve and become a better person, will you continue to judge him for his past mistakes? I want to try to have a more reflective conversation on the subject with people who have seen the anime without hated, but with a more critic view. |
DMXIIIMar 23, 2021 6:13 AM
Anywhere in the Galaxy |
DMXIII said: I rated the anime itself a 8 so that rating can speak for itself(I enjoyed it). But dude you cannot excuse his actions and simply chalk it up to oh people make mistakes there is obviously a buildup he didn't just straight up get a video of his naked niece and start masterbaiting to it he was definitly watching other CP loli hentai whatever. @IPFdomain We watched the same anime, but we had a different point of view on the same subject. Yes I have seen this part and I say that this action is horrendous, but we must see that the anime/history is set in a medieval era where these kinds of events are common for society, which seen today is totally horrendous and to me is more than disgusting. My point is, he is a totally flawed person and he is still making the same mistakes, but these mistakes have led him to go through horrible situations. And if he doesn't improve and gets worse in his actions, for you will the anime get worse or will you keep watching to see how far he can make his own life worse? And if he does improve and become a better person, will you continue to judge him for his past mistakes? I want to try to have a more reflective conversation on the subject with people who have seen the anime. Yes the anime will get worse I cant stand to see a little girl getting fondled and oggled at by a grown ass fucking main in a childs body I keep trying not to bring morals into anime while im watching it but dude, seriously??? that cannot be chalked u to a mistake |
| He is the heroic pedohilic groomer we thought we didn't need |
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Kaasfondue said: He is the heroic pedohilic groomer we thought we didn't need As I said in the comments above, he is neither a hero nor a villain, but a problematic and flawed person. But we need flawed and Bad examples to better understand society and how human beings behave. |
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DMXIII said: Didn't you see him jump in front of a truck to save some kids? He is a hero somewhere deep inside or this is just a stupidly written main character in a power fantasy.Kaasfondue said: He is the heroic pedohilic groomer we thought we didn't need As I said in the comments above, he is neither a hero nor a villain, but a problematic and flawed person. But we need flawed and Bad examples to better understand society and how human beings behave. Yes, and this problematic and flawed person can get away with everything because everyone thinks he's just a kid. It's degeneracy at its finest and makes it hard to take anything serious, including his character growth. |
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| @IPFdomain I do not support what he did and does, in fact I said this earlier to you which I left my point that I support your thinking, but people are flawed and make mistakes. Some people like him have a serious moral flaw and because of that he will make mistakes and more mistakes. I am not pointing out that I support this, but it is always good to have bad examples or failed examples so that we can analyze how society is and how certain people in that society behave and thus help us and improve as a person. How could we know that something is wrong if there were no wrong examples? This is a "mistake" that people comment on because of a failure of morals and conduct, I say "mistake" because there is not a word to best describe this, the other word I can use is "sin" (I do not want to bring religious issues into this conversation but leave it more to a philosophical and psychological side). To have a more realistic view of this anime, we can say that Mushoku is like watching a "Car Accident happening", we see in this accident how things happen, how they get worse and their results. |
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DMXIII said: But from that POV I can combat that by saying we didn't "see it happen." There was 2 seconds of a frame where he skipped his moms funeral to masterbate to his niece. Okay we get he made ""mistakes"" but dude I cannot even look at his character as a character in my eyes he is just simply a shit person and okay I can agree with @IPFdomain I do not support what he did and does, in fact I said this earlier to you which I left my point that I support your thinking, but people are flawed and make mistakes. Some people like him have a serious moral flaw and because of that he will make mistakes and more mistakes. I am not pointing out that I support this, but it is always good to have bad examples or failed examples so that we can analyze how society is and how certain people in that society behave and thus help us and improve as a person. How could we know that something is wrong if there were no wrong examples? This is a "mistake" that people comment on because of a failure of morals and conduct, I say "mistake" because there is not a word to best describe this, the other word I can use is "sin" (I do not want to bring religious issues into this conversation but leave it more to a philosophical and psychological side). To have a more realistic view of this anime, we can say that Mushoku is like watching a "Car Accident happening", we see in this accident how things happen, how they get worse and their results. Some people like him have a serious moral flaw and because of that he will make mistakes and more mistakes. But he called red hair girl a loli and then proceeded to try and have sex with her knowing he is mentally a grown ass man getting turned on by a little girl. How can you have a redemption from that ? |
| @Kaasfondue Yes, that action was heroic on his part, the same can be taken when he saved Silf the first time or when he agrees to help Ruijerd when he talks about helping to improve the image of his people. But both parts after it happened he shows selfish actions because of that, in Silf's case, wanting to win her heart, Ruijerd, not wanting to be killed by him because he saw that the same can kill. And yes, him getting away with being a child of his actions is one of the wrong sides he has, manipulation, to do as he pleases and not be judged. That is a Human wrong drawer, manipulating others to gain something in return. He may have shown heroism in certain parts, but his flawed side speaks louder and ends up erasing his heroic side. In fact, for me, it is because of these nuances of events that I see the great character development and events, even though it is to the negative side, that exist in this work. There is a good synchronicity between major events, their outcomes, and how the characters behave to that, positively or negatively. |
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| @IPFdomain and @Kaasfondue Yes, he didn't go to his mother's funeral and do that, that's horrible, but then he got thoughtful about it, we'll never know what he thought, but it affected him. I'm not saying that it caused him to be forgiven for that mistake, but it showed how twisted and broken his mind is. It's a good demonstration of a seriously flawed Character, in a more Philosophical analysis of this. (Again, I don't support what he did and he do.) Regarding this abusive act, certain actions, there is no redemption of the same level to "clean" an image, as I said before, people make mistakes and successes, in the end what will say if a person is good or bad is the amount of mistakes and successes and their gravity. If we count by the mistakes and severity he has already made and is making, Rudeus at this point is more of a villain than a hero, don't you think? |
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DMXIII said: He was to scared to leave his house and socialize, all he did was escape reality inside his room. We can assume he felt terrible about it lol.@IPFdomain and @Kaasfondue Yes, he didn't go to his mother's funeral and do that, that's horrible, but then he got thoughtful about it, we'll never know what he thought, but it affected him. I'm not saying that it caused him to be forgiven for that mistake, but it showed how twisted and broken his mind is. It's a good demonstration of a seriously flawed Character, in a more Philosophical analysis of this. (Again, I don't support what he did and he do.) Regarding this abusive act, certain actions, there is no redemption of the same level to "clean" an image, as I said before, people make mistakes and successes, in the end what will say if a person is good or bad is the amount of mistakes and successes and their gravity. If we count by the mistakes and severity he has already made and is making, Rudeus at this point is more of a villain than a hero, don't you think? Neither hero or villain. In his past life he was a broken human being, in this new life he's playing the role of a wise and kind heroic child prodigy whill still being a degenerate pervert. |
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Kaasfondue said: I agree with him he summed it up pretty well ^^^DMXIII said: He was to scared to leave his house and socialize, all he did was escape reality inside his room. We can assume he felt terrible about it lol.@IPFdomain and @Kaasfondue Yes, he didn't go to his mother's funeral and do that, that's horrible, but then he got thoughtful about it, we'll never know what he thought, but it affected him. I'm not saying that it caused him to be forgiven for that mistake, but it showed how twisted and broken his mind is. It's a good demonstration of a seriously flawed Character, in a more Philosophical analysis of this. (Again, I don't support what he did and he do.) Regarding this abusive act, certain actions, there is no redemption of the same level to "clean" an image, as I said before, people make mistakes and successes, in the end what will say if a person is good or bad is the amount of mistakes and successes and their gravity. If we count by the mistakes and severity he has already made and is making, Rudeus at this point is more of a villain than a hero, don't you think? Neither hero or villain. In his past life he was a broken human being, in this new life he's playing the role of a wise and kind heroic child prodigy whill still being a degenerate pervert. |
| @Kaasfondue and @IPFdomain He was to scared to leave his house and socialize, all he did was escape reality inside his room. We can assume he felt terrible about it lol. Neither hero or villain. In his past life he was a broken human being, in this new life he's playing the role of a wise and kind heroic child prodigy whill still being a degenerate pervert. Really, a good summary and understanding of the premise of the anime. It sums up well what the work wants to convey. I'm glad that everyone has a good understanding of the work. (Again, I don't approve of the bad acts that Rudeus did and does, we're arguing about the moral of the matter). |
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| (Opinion based on a person who have read half of the webnovel, but received spoilers from the end) Rudeus is a normal person and always will be. He isn't normal in a morality way (he's far away in this vision), but he's normal in a way a lot of people can relate to him in real life. He suffered a lot in the school, turned into a NEET for more than 20 years, watched 2D loli hentai all the day and even turned into a pedo at some point... But the question is, who wouldn't? Yeah, it's a animation and isn't real. But again, there's a lot of real people who live the same life he lived before his reincarnation, and it breaks your mind, morality and ethics to live this way. A lot of people stick to the suicide, but there's some who turn into murderers, pedos, thieves and even worse things, all because their mind are really fucked from the lives they lived. "But Eris is a child..." (Let's ignore the fact it's a medieval society and not your modern time) Yes, he's a sick person because of his old life. But now he have good people at his side, principally Rujierd who teaches him to be a warrior who protect others lives, and is slowly learning a person is more than their body when the talk is about love. There's even a scene more ahead where: |
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rdturbo said: EpIcChEeSeMaN said: People always say that Mushoku Tensei is a story about redemption and it's good because Rudy gets redeemed, but based on what little i've heard about future events, Rudy doesn't get redeemed all that much, or at least not redeemed for what he should be redeemed for (such as his perversion) and in my opinion, some of the stuff he's done is irredeemable In my opinion, a much much better character would be Natsuki Subaru from Re:Zero, although maybe it's not fair to compare them, as Natsuki appropriately starts out as weak, whereas Rudy masters magic and language and everything except swordsmanship instantly. you are in for a shock if you think he has mastered magic Thanks for the comments, but please don't make spoilers, and if you want to metion any spoilers, please use the Prevent spoilers and end people's experience. |
DMXIIIMar 24, 2021 12:00 PM
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| i agree. while his actions are disgusting and have no consequences as of yet, i'm interested to see how he changes in future seasons. |
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EpIcChEeSeMaN said: Conceptualhero said: I guess your're right about the language and academics thing, but Rudeus literally achieved magical feats that no one thought was possible, and he did so without even thinking about it, unlike Subaru, who's first experience with using magic goes rather poorly. And of course didn't pay attention to the source material, I haven't read it and I don't intend to. I don't have to read the LN to understand that Rudy starts out overpowered in his world. This is a horrible analysis and shows the poster did not pay attention to either the anime series nor the source material. First, considered Rudeus' situation and how it facilitated his learning. He had a fear of the outside, so he spent his formative years reading and studying the language of his new world. With no modern distractions, such as video games, electronics, etc., he solely dedicated his time learning the wonders of his new world.Furthermore, His ability to learn is enhanced because he is in a child's body, and children can learn much faster than adults. A little spoiler but Rudy isn't the only one who can do that at young age there's another one who can do the same as him if not better(he isn't isekai'ed) the point is child tend to grow very fast if you make use of that you can exceed in thing that normal people believe impossible like SoHuyn Ko 12 years old who play Zigeunerweisen flawlessly and make it look so easy to her like wtf my teacher who spent more 20yrs in violin still had lots of trouble to play this excessively hard song! |
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