| I’m an anime-only viewer and I just realized that I am 19 episodes deep and have a very little understanding of the curse power system. I know it revolves around cursed energy & techniques and that it seems similar to the nen system in Hunter x Hunter, but that’s as far as my knowledge goes. Does anybody else feel this way? For manga readers, does this system get explained more later in the story or should we pretty much know how it all works by now. But also, if anyone could help explain the system in a more clear way (without spoilers) I’d appreciate that too. |
| Manga reader here. I'm not sure whether you should completely understand the system at this point, since a lot of manga readers don't understand it even now and the sensei likes to create more questions than he gives answers for. I think my understanding of it went up as the story progressed and more characters were introduced though. For the explanation. Basically, every human has a certain level of cursed energy (CE). This CE is born from negative emotions (hatred, anger, jealousy...). Every human being also constantly outputs their CE outward. This ever leaking abundance gives birth to cursed spirits (or curses). For this reason curses are very common in schools or hospitals, places were humans tend to feel negatively about. Similar thing applies for our current main villains, the disaster curses; they are special grade cursed spirits and are as strong as they are because they are the result of all the negative emotions (CE) people harboured against their principles for hundreds of years. Jogo for all the fear and hatred of volcano eruptions, Hanami for the fear and uncertainty of the forests and Mahito for all the hatred, jealousy and so on humans had against other humans. Now, not everyone is created equal though, and this applies especially to CE. Hence, jujutsu sorcerers and curse users appeared (I'll refer to both of these groups as just jujutsushi from now on for simplicity's sake). The thing with jujutsushi (most of our characters) is that they were born different from other humans. They were born with bigger amounts of CE than normal humans and with bigger control over it. And, more importantly, they were born with cursed techniques (CT). All of this allows for them to see curses (whereas normal humans can usually only see curses under special circumstances, like when Yuuji and his senpai were attacked in his old school) and the CE and CT of other jujutsushi. Because of this control over CE, jujutsushi are capable of containing it very well and don't give birth to cursed spirits, keeping their CE for their own personal use, unlike normal humans. However, because of how strong their CE is, jujutsushi oftentimes end up as curses after their death; basically, their grief and unresolved negative emotions stay behind after their death, and since there's now nobody to control and contain the CE, it gives birth to potentially strong and dangerous curses. This is what principal Yaga meant when talking to Yuuji during his interview. You cannot become a jujutsushi through hard work and training unlike for example hunters with NEN in HxH. Sure, everyone is born with CE, but you can't grow it to that amount and you can't create your own CTs because you are already born with them. For example, Inumaki with his cursed speech or Megumi with his Ten Shadows technique. That's why Gojo told Yuuji that he can't use any techniques; since, as far as we're aware, he was born with normal levels of cursed energy and without any techniques. The only reason he can now use cursed energy is thanks to becoming Sukuna's vessel. In this it's sort of similar to chakra in Naruto or nen in HxH where you are already born as a certain type (elements in Naruto, or Enhancer, Transformer and such in HxH) if you swapped these 'types' with cursed techniques. A good explanation for how all of this works is the one Gojo used when training Yuuji. Basically, you could consider CE as electricity and CTs as electrical appliances. You use CE to power your CTs and of course you can run out of it if you use it too much. The stronger the amount of CE, the stronger you can make your CT (for example, Mai has a smaller amount of CE and her CT takes a lot of it, allowing her to only create one bullet with it a day). At the same time, you can use the electricity (CE) itself to attack like Yuuji does since he lacks any CTs. This makes the attack much stronger, just like if you were to punch someone with an electrical fist. Cursed techniques are also often hereditary (Megumi's Ten Shadows or Gojo's Limitless for example) which is why clans and blood relations are a big deal in the jujutsu world and incest is oftentimes present in the oldest and most important clans (for example the Zen'in clan where Maki and Mai's father is also their great uncle and nobody even questions it). CTs usually develop and first show around the age of six where until then you usually can't tell what CT a child will have or if they'll even have one. Where CE as a power system comes close to HxH's NEN are conditions. You can place a condition on your self to make yourself stronger under special circumstances, just like Kurapika did with his chains. Some of these are universal. For example, you've probably noticed that everyone explains their CTs right off the bat. Other then being a badly done trope in most shounens, here it has its meaning. By giving away how your power works, your power becomes stronger to balance out the unfairness that was created (similar to the law of equivalent exchange in FMA). You essentially make these conditions with the bigger force of CE as a whole itself and if you were to ever break them, the punishment would come heavy. An excellent example of this is the deal Sukuna struck with Yuuji where he can come out and gain control for one minute but cannot hurt anyone during that time. If he were to break these conditions, he'd be punished by the laws of the jujutsu world itself which is something even he as the strongest can't possibly escape. A classic example of a condition would be Nanami's overwork. What he essentially did in his deal is limiting his output of CE between 9-6 - his work hours. During this time he's basically weaker than he'd normally be had there been no condition placed on him. However, after 6 pm he not only gains back all his cursed energy but he also gains additional CE to make up for the past few hours and make the condition worth it for him; as I've mentioned, essentially making the deal that of equivalent exchange. A special case or type of conditions is the Heavenly Restriction (HR) (so far in the anime seen and confirmed with Maki and Mechamaru). Similarly to CTs, an HR is something placed upon a child upon birth and is not something you can choose or alter. What it entails is again a deal of equivalent exchange, albeit an involuntary one. Something is taken from you and you gain something in return. For example with Maki the HR took away her jujutsushi's levels of CE and her CT, leaving her with a level of CE even smaller than that of a normal human. Because of this she can't see curses even under special circumstances and has to wear her glasses which enable her to see them. In exchange though, she was born with physical prowess more powerful than that of any normal person or even a jujutsushi where she can now (with the help of cursed weapons - weapons already imbued with CE) fight curses just as well as other jujutsushi. With Mechamaru it's basically the opposite; he was born physically weak and deformed, in exchange gaining vast amounts of CE. With HR you can only gain something equivalent to of that which was sacrificed. Basically meaning, Maki for example is still weaker in raw strength compared to Yuuji because she'd have most likely had a CE level and a CT similar to her sister's (not a very powerful one) so the physical prowess she gained in exchange still has its limits. Same thing applies to conditions made with the jujutsu world itself (Nanami's overwork). However with deals between individual jujutsushi (Sukuna and Yuuji) you can make the conditions anything as long as both sides find them fair and agree to them. Jujutsu sorcers, curse users, cursed spirits, curses and cursed tools are separated into different grades ranging from grade four (weakest) to grade one (strongest). On top of that you have the special grade which are far more powerful than even grade one (disaster curses or Gojo for example). A semi-one grade (Inumaki for example) is someone who's passed grade two and is in the middle of completing the process to becoming grade one. Supreme (or special) grade one (Naobito, Maki and Mai's father, for example) is someone who's stronger than your usual grade one but hasn't been able of achieving the status of a special grade. A special grade is basically anyone capable of creating a domain (or territorial) expansion which is considered to be the peak of jujutsu and one's CT (it essentially creates a territory where one's own technique is guaranteed to hit no matter what - Mahito's domain expansion and his immediately touching Yuuji and Sukuna's souls upon Yuuji entering the domain) - because of this Nanami is for example stuck at grade one as this is something he's never been capable of achieving. It's also worth mentioning that the grades aren't equal for the individual groups - jujutsushi's grades are placed higher than those of curses so a grade two sorcerer has the potential to beat a grade one curse. There are also things that all jujutsushi universally have the potential or capability for. For example simple domains which aren't anywhere near as powerful as domain expansions but are more than enough in a fight against non-speacial grades and aren't bound to one's CT. Another example is the recently debuted Black Flash which anyone with CE is potentially capable of. Black Flash (BF) takes a normal hit imbued with CE and takes it to the power of 2.5. IMPORTANT TO NOTICE with BF - it's not times 2.5 but to the power of 2.5 (there's been some mistranslations going around, and JJK is heavy with maths at certain points so there'll probably be more as the anime catches up with the manga and as the manga itself progresses). So hypothetically, if your punch had 0 CE, with BF it'd still be 0 - meaning if you have no CE, you aren't capable of BF. If it had 1 CE though, it'd still be 1 CE as well, not 2.5 CE. However, if the punch had 2 500 CE, with BF it'd be now 312 500 000 CE now, not just 6 250 CE, which is what makes surviving it as a human next to impossible if your opponent is already pretty strong and why Yuuji was so surprised that that was really his own CE when he used BF against Nanami. °°° Hope that explained it and is lucid enough to understand, sorry for the length, I tried to make it as short as possible but at the same time still coherent enough. If you have any additional questions, just ask. I explained everything I could think of on the spot, but there of course might be something I overlooked or hadn't explained properly. If that is the case, sorry in advance. The JJK universe is already vast enough but I made this spoiler-free, going just off what's been mentioned so far in the anime so some explanations might still be lacking. |
HarryDigsAnimeFeb 22, 2021 5:13 AM
CrimsonChaoz said: HarryDigsAnime said: Manga reader here. Hope that explained it and is lucid enough to understand, sorry for the length, I tried to make it as short as possible but at the same time still coherent enough. If you have any additional questions, just ask. I explained everything I could think of on the spot, but there of course might be something I overlooked or hadn't explained properly. If that is the case, sorry in advance. OMG!! you post before me like 10mins ago lol thanks again for an additional help to Jujutsu Community :D Nice. I'm pretty sure that the length of our posts portrays just how confusing and vast of a system this is. Hopefully, it'll be enough for the anime-onlies to understand and not just a confusing mess (my post especially lol) |
el3mel said: It's poorly explained and terribly executed. Yes, you aren't the only one. I'm with you at least. Has to be one of the worst power systems I have seen in Shounen to be honest. Feel like poor man's nen. Lmao, you can just say it's too complex for you. Fortunaly, there are two comments in this thread that explain it well. |
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el3mel said: Vayetse said: Lmao, you can just say it's too complex for you. Fortunaly, there are two comments in this thread that explain it well. The show should do enough for viewers to understand its power system without having to search outside it just to understand. This is a big flaw in any Shounen. I don't remember having to google Nen to understand it. What was presented in the anime itself was enough. The second comment in this thread is a anime only who understood it by himself, so what was presented in the anime was enough. |
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el3mel said: Vayetse said: The second comment in this thread is a anime only who understood it by himself, so what was presented in the anime was enough. And the entire thread is made by some one who also watched anime only and didn't understand it as well so maybe no it's not explained well enough for everyone to understand. Even one of the comments above who is explaining the system started by saying by episode 19 you may still not be able to understand it and even manga readers still don't understand it fully because the author is introducing more questions than answers. I don't think it's the show's fault if some viewers don't pay enough attention or are slower to understand things, if some people were able to understand that means the show presented enough. And I think that manga reader is partially wrong, what some readers don't understand is the techniques of some characters, not the power system itself. |
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HarryDigsAnime said: Manga reader here. Thanks for your explanation. It looks like I had the gist about the system down but was more confused about the techniques than anything. Since cursed techniques are hereditary, how would someone like Nobara figure out about what technique they have? Does this also mean that there is a hard ceiling when it comes to jujutsu users as their cursed energy output and techniques are predetermined at birth, requiring them to undergo physical training and establishing conditions to get stronger? Or are cursed techniques malliable and can be used in new ways depending on the users creativity? |
Blue_Maroon said: Since cursed techniques are hereditary, how would someone like Nobara figure out about what technique they have? Does this also mean that there is a hard ceiling when it comes to jujutsu users as their cursed energy output and techniques are predetermined at birth, requiring them to undergo physical training and establishing conditions to get stronger? Or are cursed techniques malliable and can be used in new ways depending on the users creativity? Techniques are usually hereditary, yes, however, someone with a high level of CE and a CT can be born quite randomly as well. Hence how someone like Nobara is born. As of yet, we don't know how Nobara got her training but techniques usually develop around the age of six and that's when they also begin to show signs which is how you can find out that a child is a jujutsushi. Usually, with people born outside of clans, they get into jujutsu through an older sorcerer who notices it and takes them under their wing, training them until they join one of the two jujutsu highs. For example Miwa with her master and Todo with Yuki, another special grade sorcerer. Yes, there is a ceiling and everyone's potential is already predetermined to begin with. That's why for example when Gojo was born the balance of the jujutsu world got shaken - he was already born with his techniques which predetermined his potential as the strongest sorcerer of the generation. Training to get to know your technique better and binding vows are usually the best ways to therefore get stronger. However, it is also a bit malleable in its own way. For example, Gojo has his technique Limitless and through applying it in different ways you get techniques like Blue, Red and Purple which can be used in different situations to give yourself an advantage. With techniques like Mai's for example, where you create something out of nothing, you can get even more creative, the only stopping point being the amounts of CE at your disposal and your own fantasy. A lot also depends on your command of CE. That's why Yuuji is as strong as he is and will grow even stronger or why he can achieve Black Flash. He has an unexpectedly good command over his CE which allows him to be as precise in his fights as he is. Your command over CE also allows you to achieve the peak of jujutsu; domain expansion. Provided you know your CT well enough and have enough CE, the rest depends solely on whether your command over your CE is good enough to be able to create your own territory with it. |
el3mel said: Even one of the comments above who is explaining the system started by saying by episode 19 you may still not be able to understand it and even manga readers still don't understand it fully because the author is introducing more questions than answers. Vayetse said: And I think that manga reader is partially wrong, what some people readers don't understand is the techniques of some characters, not the power system itself. I think you might have misunderstood me there; the mystery is part of the show. You're not supposed to understand everything right off the bat because it would spoil you things that weren't officially revealed yet. As far as we know, most of our characters don't even know what jujutsu really is and most things around it as it's something only the strongest of all will ever understand. If our characters are still on their path to becoming stronger how can we expect to already know everything as the ones just following them on their journey? Sukuna said it the best: 'You have no idea what true jujutsu is.' The same should go for us. The story is still just beginning, we're supposed to be left in the dark on some things. Sure, the basics have been already explained and I think they were explained quite well, albeit Gege sensei's storytelling and pacing tend to be a bit quick and lackluster at times. However, the greater things around jujutsu should still remain a mystery for us as far as I'm concerned. |
HarryDigsAnime said: Blue_Maroon said: Since cursed techniques are hereditary, how would someone like Nobara figure out about what technique they have? Does this also mean that there is a hard ceiling when it comes to jujutsu users as their cursed energy output and techniques are predetermined at birth, requiring them to undergo physical training and establishing conditions to get stronger? Or are cursed techniques malliable and can be used in new ways depending on the users creativity? Techniques are usually hereditary, yes, however, someone with a high level of CE and a CT can be born quite randomly as well. Hence how someone like Nobara is born. As of yet, we don't know how Nobara got her training but techniques usually develop around the age of six and that's when they also begin to show signs which is how you can find out that a child is a jujutsushi. Usually, with people born outside of clans, they get into jujutsu through an older sorcerer who notices it and takes them under their wing, training them until they join one of the two jujutsu highs. For example Miwa with her master and Todo with Yuki, another special grade sorcerer. Yes, there is a ceiling and everyone's potential is already predetermined to begin with. That's why for example when Gojo was born the balance of the jujutsu world got shaken - he was already born with his techniques which predetermined his potential as the strongest sorcerer of the generation. Training to get to know your technique better and binding vows are usually the best ways to therefore get stronger. However, it is also a bit malleable in its own way. For example, Gojo has his technique Limitless and through applying it in different ways you get techniques like Blue, Red and Purple which can be used in different situations to give yourself an advantage. With techniques like Mai's for example, where you create something out of nothing, you can get even more creative, the only stopping point being the amounts of CE at your disposal and your own fantasy. A lot also depends on your command of CE. That's why Yuuji is as strong as he is and will grow even stronger or why he can achieve Black Flash. He has an unexpectedly good command over his CE which allows him to be as precise in his fights as he is. Your command over CE also allows you to achieve the peak of jujutsu; domain expansion. Provided you know your CT well enough and have enough CE, the rest depends solely on whether your command over your CE is good enough to be able to create your own territory with it. Thanks for your explanations, I should be able to understand the fights and strategies better now. Cheers. |
HarryDigsAnime said: el3mel said: Even one of the comments above who is explaining the system started by saying by episode 19 you may still not be able to understand it and even manga readers still don't understand it fully because the author is introducing more questions than answers. Vayetse said: And I think that manga reader is partially wrong, what some people readers don't understand is the techniques of some characters, not the power system itself. I think you might have misunderstood me there; the mystery is part of the show. You're not supposed to understand everything right off the bat because it would spoil you things that weren't officially revealed yet. As far as we know, most of our characters don't even know what jujutsu really is and most things around it as it's something only the strongest of all will ever understand. If our characters are still on their path to becoming stronger how can we expect to already know everything as the ones just following them on their journey? Sukuna said it the best: 'You have no idea what true jujutsu is.' The same should go for us. The story is still just beginning, we're supposed to be left in the dark on some things. Sure, the basics have been already explained and I think they were explained quite well, albeit Gege sensei's storytelling and pacing tend to be a bit quick and lackluster at times. However, the greater things around jujutsu should still remain a mystery for us as far as I'm concerned. What are we missing about the power system ? You said Gege creates more questions than answers but I don't see which questions you are referring to tbh. The mystery is part of the show of course but the mystery at this point in the manga is more about the plot, the characters, their motivations/backgrounds/techniques and not the power system itself. Of course, maybe I missed something since JJK is kinda complex at this point. "You have no idea what true jujutsu is." I don't think it's that deep, Sukuna was just talking to a newborn special grade who didn't know about domain expansion or anything about jujutsu. |
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Blue_Maroon said: Thanks for your explanations, I should be able to understand the fights and strategies better now. Cheers. No problem, enjoy the ride, hope it'll prove a good one for you! |
Vayetse said: What are we missing about the power system ? You said Gege creates more questions than answers but I don't see which questions you are referring to tbh. The mystery is part of the show of course but the mystery at this point in the manga is more about the plot, the characters, their motivations/backgrounds/techniques and not the power system itself. Of course, maybe I missed something since JJK is kinda complex at this point. "You have no idea what true jujutsu is." I don't think it's that deep, Sukuna was just talking to a newborn special grade who didn't know about domain expansion or anything about jujutsu. I might be just thinking too deep about it at the end of the day. I guess I'd like Jujutsu and cursed energy explained on more primal level, how it works as the force moving the Jujutsu univers forward, but at the end it's most likely we'll never get this answered, just like with most of shonen. As I've said the basics have already been explained. The thing with Sukuna is he wasn't fighting a complete novice though. Jogo knew about jujutsu and domain expansion enough, at the very least enough not to expand his own one, learning from his fight with Gojo. I think what Sukuna meant by that was just whatever he knows as someone who's lived through the golden area of jujutsu and has long been considered the strongest being. I think he referred to something with his technique at that point. But I'm not sure whether it was really something to do with his technique or something to do with jujutsu and cursed energy itself. I guess we'll find out once we get his backstory though. |
HarryDigsAnime said: Vayetse said: What are we missing about the power system ? You said Gege creates more questions than answers but I don't see which questions you are referring to tbh. The mystery is part of the show of course but the mystery at this point in the manga is more about the plot, the characters, their motivations/backgrounds/techniques and not the power system itself. Of course, maybe I missed something since JJK is kinda complex at this point. "You have no idea what true jujutsu is." I don't think it's that deep, Sukuna was just talking to a newborn special grade who didn't know about domain expansion or anything about jujutsu. I might be just thinking too deep about it at the end of the day. I guess I'd like Jujutsu and cursed energy explained on more primal level, how it works as the force moving the Jujutsu univers forward, but at the end it's most likely we'll never get this answered, just like with most of shonen. As I've said the basics have already been explained. The thing with Sukuna is he wasn't fighting a complete novice though. Jogo knew about jujutsu and domain expansion enough, at the very least enough not to expand his own one, learning from his fight with Gojo. I think what Sukuna meant by that was just whatever he knows as someone who's lived through the golden area of jujutsu and has long been considered the strongest being. I think he referred to something with his technique at that point. But I'm not sure whether it was really something to do with his technique or something to do with jujutsu and cursed energy itself. I guess we'll find out once we get his backstory though. Ah yes I confused the thing with Sukuna with what he said to the newborn curse at the begining of the series (ep.4) something like "let me show you what jujutsu is" |
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HarryDigsAnime said: A special grade is basically anyone capable of creating a domain (or territorial) expansion which is considered to be the peak of jujutsu and one's CT (it essentially creates a territory where one's own technique is guaranteed to hit no matter what - Mahito's domain expansion and his immediately touching Yuuji and Sukuna's souls upon Yuuji entering the domain) - because of this Nanami is for example stuck at grade one as this is something he's never been capable of achieving. It's also worth mentioning that the grades aren't equal for the individual groups - jujutsushi's grades are placed higher than those of curses so a grade two sorcerer has the potential to beat a grade one curse. I don't think it's ever specified that a Domain is needed to be considered Special Grade. Gojo in his youth was already one before learning a domain. That's one hell of a post though. HOLY SHIT! |
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Emblemz said: HarryDigsAnime said: A special grade is basically anyone capable of creating a domain (or territorial) expansion which is considered to be the peak of jujutsu and one's CT (it essentially creates a territory where one's own technique is guaranteed to hit no matter what - Mahito's domain expansion and his immediately touching Yuuji and Sukuna's souls upon Yuuji entering the domain) - because of this Nanami is for example stuck at grade one as this is something he's never been capable of achieving. It's also worth mentioning that the grades aren't equal for the individual groups - jujutsushi's grades are placed higher than those of curses so a grade two sorcerer has the potential to beat a grade one curse. I don't think it's ever specified that a Domain is needed to be considered Special Grade. Gojo in his youth was already one before learning a domain. That's one hell of a post though. HOLY SHIT! I mean yeah, the same goes for Yuta who has been considered a special grade before even understanding what curses and cursed energy are. Creating a domain was just the first thing I thought of to put things into perspective. I'm also going off of what Nanami said during his first fight with Mahito when Mahito achieved domain expansion in chapter 30. Nanami talked about how that's the thing he's never been able to master. Since he's a first grade I took it as a good threshold to go off, also considering not even one of the supreme first grades has been capable of it so far. Otherwise special grades are just those real strong guys MAPPA goes all out on the budget once they get into a fight. |
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