Mageofyore said:Then, why can't I ask for God to make me a God. Your answer is what's called a " contradiction", my friend.
Even I with clear conscious (and laughing) answered "Anything" and "No" I saw it miles away that you're gonna tell me that this is a "contradiction", my friend. A "gotcha" moment, huh?. Yet even you know why I answered that way. OK. If you wanna be a god (with small g), you can, but only a god of your own self. Not even a demi god. However, if you wanna be a God, bring John F. Kennedy back to life, and the whole world will bend the knee before your eyes as a God.
Mageofyore said: That is untrue. Allah won't do anything that doesn't befit his majesty.
You asked if you can play football with God. I can't imagine why would God refuse.
Mageofyore said: That is infact one of the arguments Muslims put forward to disprove the Christian notion that God came into this world as a man.
I don't recall Christians said that God came to earth as a man. I don't have full knowledge of Christianity, but even if Chrisitans said that, how even God comes to earth when earth and everything in existence beyond even the universe is so close to Him and He's even so close to us?
Mageofyore said: I would achieve absolutely nothing. I wish to see if Allah will grant me literally anything as you told me in your answer even if it's irrational.
What kind of Muslim, Christian or Jewish would ask God to forgive the Devil? Even by your own addmission "even if it's irriational". Define "irriational". But you're not here to give definition.
Mageofyore said: I guess your answer has changed now from "anything" to "not anything because some things are off limits even in paradise."
I would say you're right about "some things are off limits even in paradise". Even if I was in paradise, God won't grant my wish to forgive a polytheist person.
Mageofyore said: Then why did you generalize it in your reply to me that people in paradise will be able to look at God. "Only the very best of Muslims will be able to look at God" is what you should have said. A random dude who doesn't know a lot about Islam could get misled by what you said there. They might think that every Muslim will be able to see God. You were basically doing what the media does nowadays. They might accept Islam and adhere to the five pillars and think that's enough to see God in paradise. Little do they know, they literally have to revolve their life around everything that's said in the Quran and Sunnah to have even a chance of seeing God.
I made a mistake, and I rushed my answer. I should have say that who can get to the paradise? Those who worship God and only God and doesn't worship other with God, and all who are in paradise can see God. It doesn't revolve around Muslims only. It's about all humans who genuinely seeking the truth. If one died but he wasn't a Muslim, but he never prayed to anyone, his fate is unknown. This is one thing we can't cross, to predict or answer someone's fate. Only thing we know for certain is that no one enters the paradise if he worshipped other god(s) beside God (Allah). Ask someone what happens after a dead person is burried under the soil. An angel of death will dig the grave, pull the dead out of his grave and then the angel of death will ask him 3 questions:
1. Who is your God?
2. What is your religion?
3. Who is your prophet?
There are more details once Judgement Day comes. I can tell you, based on what I studied.
Mageofyore said: Well, they are in heaven now aren't they?
I can tell you right now from the stand point of my religion, Islam, right now, all the dead regardless of their faiths are in a realm beween life and death. In Arabic is called "barzakh" A place where those who left our current world are not in heaven nor hell. All the dead since Adam and Eve until now.
Osama Bin Ladin
Joeseph Stalin
John F. Kennedy
loved ones
Name anyone
They are all there. What are they doing there? Waiting for Judgement Day. Imagine the number of them.
Mageofyore said: Why shouldn't they be able to see God? You said that I could ask for anything and that God would even play football with me. Let's say I end up in the lowest rank of heaven, will I be able to see God if I asked? According to you, the answer is yes and no. On one side, you say that I can ask for anything but on the other side you say that only the very good Muslims will be able to see God. You see how complicated it becomes?
My mistake. The correct answer is ALL who are in paradise can see God. It's true that there are ranks in heaven, yet despise all that, even earth with all its fortune pales in comparison to a lowest level of heaven, and yet, those in the lowest level of heaven will see God.
Abu Huraira reported: That Prophet Muhammed said: “Allah said: I have prepared for my righteous servants what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no heart has perceived. Recite the verse if you wish: No soul knows what has been hidden for them of comfort.”
By this hadeeth, prophet Muhammed talked generally about heaven without specicifing any rank of heaven.
Nothing is complicated. It's me not explaining things right. |