AirConditioner said: Golden_Scarlett said: nib, that doesnt help i know jack shit about history, much less brown people history <.< and googling it is well... >end date 3000 bc right so its b4 sefar even Sefar is in 12000 BC though... Like a whole 9k years before the Mahabharata War idk why i thought sefar was 1200 bc .-. >Also, when it comes to gameplay, she's great Rider support and her Summer version is the best offensive Ruler in the game. excuse you |
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| >best offensive Ruler in the game You mean Sherlock, right? |
| Ledouche vi china could prob give sherlock a run for his money with the higher attack and crit boost, but he lacks the ignore defense |
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| In terms of pure damage, QSH is probably better, and can survive for much longer. Moreover, 2 Busters > 2 Quicks. Therefore, by definition, best offensive Ruler. Holmes will have more syngery w/ others tho, so you could argue he's a better unit overall. |
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| Sherlock with Double Skadi is pretty insane unavoidable dps if you have Summer BB. Also NP stacking to make crit damage go even further beyond. |
| Pairing him w/ Skadi doesn't prove he's a better offensive Ruler tho. And QSH has that crit damage on his NP. And he has attack dmg up to boot. |
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| https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Shi_Huang_Di if we go by technicality, since we're assuming skadis and summer bb anyways Qin can have higher crit damage due to the crit scaling with np lvl, and with his maxed 2nd skill and just overcharge 100% np, he gets 80% attack up despite being lower, his crit absorption is 3 turns, debuff cleanse which at times would be better than debuff immune, along with battery, np drain and taunt invul combo |
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mira-pyon said: Pairing him w/ Skadi doesn't prove he's a better offensive Ruler tho. And QSH has that crit damage on his NP. And he has attack dmg up to boot. By themselves sure, QSH is better, but who would do that when there are support servants. Skadi makes quick crits deal the most damage in the game for 3 turns versus Merlin only being 1 turn for busters. Sherlock has 2 quick cards with arts NP which makes spamming NP very easy, while QSH has only 1 quick card so he can't use Skadi and has to rely on buster crits(no NP spam and only big damage for 1 turn) or arts crits(no Merlin/Skadi servant for boosting arts card crits) to deal damage. |
| >Skadi makes quick crits deal the most damage in the game for 3 turns Not really. Quick Crits < Arts crits < Buster crits They'll never be dealing 'the most' damage, but definitely 'the most' damage Quicks can give. >who would do that when there are support servants QSH is a soloer tho. And if we're talking double Skadi, Chiron/Lanling/Waver and Tamamo can make up for that. As per usual, while a Skadi team can give you insane damage in 3 turns, a Tama/QSH team will give you slightly less damage perpetually. It's a never-ending spam, which is the beauty of Arts teams. If your Sherlock team can't defeat the enemy in 3-turns, you're fucked. If your QSH can't defeat them in 3 turns, you're ready and rearing to go. We have a trillion NP gauge downs, a fantastic taunter to basically erase any damage, and super crit abilities. And you sure seem confident of Holmes' crit gen skills. Achilles' fully Skadi-buffed 15-hit[total] NP, which his extra NP Quick buff, his riding skill Quick buff, and his first skill Quick buff, still only give him 35 stars in a non-Quick chain. And you expect Holmes' 2 measly 3-hit Quick cards to get him enough stars to even secure the crit damage, which is the only thing he'd have above QSH in that scenario? Even if we assume both teams have double 2030s, QSH would still have the upper hand when it comes to even securing the crit damage because his spammable NP has 3-turn crit damage implemented in it. And when they both don't secure the crit damage, QSH will hit for more because he has better attack buffs. And ofc QSH will dominate any battle that goes over 3 turns, which is most of them, considering Holmes doesn't have an AoE atk NP so can't even take advantage of Skadi 3-turn clear memes. |
mira-pyonDec 21, 2018 6:54 PM
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| Getting enough stars won't be an issue with double 2030 and Summer BB's 3rd skill. That's 28-32 stars, with Sherlock only needing to generate 18-22 stars. I doubt he couldn't manage that. Each servant is different so comparing someone like Achilles' star gen to him is questionable. Sherlock also can generate stars with one of his skills to start the combo off. And obviously for challenge quests where you fight multiple waves of enemies with multiple HP bars Sherlock with double Skadi won't be effective. For single bosses unless they have like 3+ HP bars with half a million HP each Sherlock will destroy while ignoring any and all defense buffs. I doubt anything can survive a 100% quick buff and a potential 350% crit buff combo, not to mention the 60% defense debuffs. Skadi falls apart after 3 turns, that doesn't need to be said. |
Top 3 most grailed servants of 2018 |
My Queens  |
Yeah, what's up with that Samurai dude? I have guys like this in my friends list but I don't get it. |
| fujos for the dudes, i guess his lore and personality is pretty shounen i know the dude i got my acc from was pretty into him and was gonna grail him |
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/FGOGuide/comments/a8i0vx/winter_fes_22_december_2018_stream_live_update/ stream rn seems rumi chan and kawasumi are guests |
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| Izou look cool, limited and pretty great servant overall. Popular with the japanese. Okitan being one of the most grailed is nice. She definitely deserve it. |
When Arcade got loli Da Vinci first. |
Kaiser-chanDec 21, 2018 9:35 PM
| That's terrible, what the shit I don't really care about loli Da Vinci, but I swear this sets an awful precedent for FGO Arcade getting some Servants before FGO itself Especially if they do something retarded like ''you get her for free in FGO if you play Arcade in Japan!!'' location-type thing like they did with those CEs for HF. |
You just need to go to FGO Arcade machine and play the game. The first day will net you the first copy, the 5th day will net you the second copy, Field Da Vinci 5 times in the field to get another, clear all specific missions to get another, and lastly obtain that last copy as a drop in her special quest. That's one way to force people to play everyday. |
| For this upcoming New Year GSSR, you can only summon LIMITED SERVANTS ONLY. When I look at the chart, the chance for me to get dupe is actually pretty high. |
| >people ask for loli Da Vinci in the game >''ok brethren we hear you'' >put her in Arcade instead for le FREE >its actually not FREE because its meant to force people play Arcade which is notoriously predatory cause you need to pay money to even play quests or ascend shit so it'd likely ultimately cost you much more than trying to get a SR Da Vinci in actual FGO The Guranteed SSR thing is pretty sweet, but this Da Vinci shit is honestly cancer jeez |
| WTF KIYOHIME ANIMATION UPDATE HELL YES I swear this was done cause they knew I was gonna complain about the Da Vinci thing so they're trying to pander to me so I shut up about it |
 Red are for the one already have and Green are for the one I actually want. |
| >limited only >looks at extra >got 2 of the perma and only limited ssr from extra i got is abi abi is it all class together, or by class @KaiserNazrin |
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Guess I'll do one too Red X = already have Green O = BIG WANT Green - = Moderate want Everyone else I either don't care about that much about and want only slightly, or straight up don't like. Though tbh I'd be happy with anything that isn't a dupe. |
| Result #1 Result #2 Also gonna roll Extra GSSR again as always |
Golden_Scarlett said: >limited only >looks at extra >got 2 of the perma and only limited ssr from extra i got is abi abi is it all class together, or by class @KaiserNazrin All together |
| @Golden_Scarlett Most likely all in one banner. |
 red , i dont want due to dupe black, i really, really dont want yellow, ill take the rest im neutral but would prefer not |
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| Final result Much better. |
 right astro, hope you like your passion lip probably getting np 5 |
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It took a while and a lot of thinking to narrow down my list of what I want from the gacha but I guess this will have to do for now. Hopefully at least one will show up.  QSH, KH, and NP2 Melt are also fine. EDIT: OH SHIT 4* LIMITED TOO. NP2 FUJINON PLS COME HOOOOOOOME EDIT 2: Approximately 31 boxes and just got my first CE drop. Damn you RNG for making this take so long. |
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| All I care about are Eresh, Kiara, Summer BB and maybe Melt. The rest I either don't care much for or already have. mira-pyon said: In terms of pure damage, QSH is probably better, and can survive for much longer. Moreover, 2 Busters > 2 Quicks. Therefore, by definition, best offensive Ruler. Holmes will have more syngery w/ others tho, so you could argue he's a better unit overall. Guys, did I stutter? To be clear, this evaluation incorporated support Servants, like Skadi with Sherlock and whoever you'd want to use with QSH. And the moment we incorporate support, Martha Ruler is a better offensive Ruler than both. She has a Buster NP, 3 Buster cards on her and with a double Merlin, with a single additional 2030 for best odds, both Sherlock and QSH can't outdamage her. And the gap between them and Marth gets wider and wider if the enemy is Demon, Divine, or Undead. Martha has no means to attract stars to herself (beyond her Ruler star weight) or boost her crit damage, but thanks to Merlin, she needs neither and what she's already equipped with makes her the best boss killer between all three, as I see it. Maybe add a few CCs on her 3 Buster cards for extra carnage, which is an advantage these two can't afford. lol Jokes on DW, I'm not gonna waste my quartz on giant boobs, I'm saving them for the loli event rerun. |
astroprogsDec 22, 2018 12:13 AM
| For some reasons, i dont care about the ssr in the gssr gacha... GIVE ME MHXX AND FUJINO GODDAMNIT! As long as i dont have to burn Mhx np6, i am fine. Having an additional copy of raikou, jalter, bb or melt would be great Shishou is For my collection (already spent 1200 sq in 3 year, she never answer my call) |
| bruh |
astroprogs said: All I care about are Eresh, Kiara, Summer BB and maybe Melt. The rest I either don't care much for or already have. mira-pyon said: In terms of pure damage, QSH is probably better, and can survive for much longer. Moreover, 2 Busters > 2 Quicks. Therefore, by definition, best offensive Ruler. Holmes will have more syngery w/ others tho, so you could argue he's a better unit overall. Guys, did I stutter? To be clear, this evaluation incorporated support Servants, like Skadi with Sherlock and whoever you'd want to use with QSH. And the moment we incorporate support, Martha Ruler is a better offensive Ruler than both. She has a Buster NP, 3 Buster cards on her and with a double Merlin, with a single additional 2030 for best odds, both Sherlock and QSH can't outdamage her. And the gap between them and Marth gets wider and wider if the enemy is Demon, Divine, or Undead. Martha has no means to attract stars to herself (beyond her Ruler star weight) or boost her crit damage, but thanks to Merlin, she needs neither and what she's already equipped with makes her the best boss killer between all three, as I see it. Maybe add a few CCs on her 3 Buster cards for extra carnage, which is an advantage these two can't afford. lol Jokes on DW, I'm not gonna waste my quartz on giant boobs, I'm saving them for the loli event rerun. so not doing the gssr? wew |
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| I never did them. Depending on my mood then though, I may. |
| Yo can't wait to burn that dupe. |
| While I despise the Arcade exclusivity, it's pretty neat we got a look at Da Vinci under the Rider-class. It's always nice seeing Servants under different classes, especially since Rider Da Vinci was foreshadowed ages ago. Unsurprisingly, her NP is the armored vehicle/tank. Now I can't wait for that adult Avenger Chacha that's been foreshadowed in her mats. Just hope the stupid Arcade exclusivity trend doesn't continue. |
| I can see why they do this. It certainly make people interested in playing the Arcade to get something exclusive. As long as it doesn't affect the mobile FGO, I don't really care. |
| i mean, as long as we get loli skates da vinci one day thru some bs arcade collab i wouldn't mind |
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| It does potentially affect mobile FGO, which is the problem. It's perhaps too early to yell at DW for this because we don't know for sure what direction they'll be taking with this new idea of theirs, but right now there's two horrible possibilities that they could choose: a) not make Rider Da Vinci obtainable in mobile FGO whatsoever, which means they're going with a trend of creating exclusive Servants people would desire for Arcade only, effectively alienating any fan following they have overseas (which is pretty massive. Disregarding shit like Europe/USA, their following in other Asian countries like China is immense) or b) make Rider Da Vinci obtainable in mobile FGO, but through a system like location scan or account info share that shows you've played and obtained her in Arcade so you can obtain her for free in mobile FGO too, which is even worse because it means accounts that have her would be exclusive only to Japan (and would effectively contradict their statement about other FGO servers like NA, KR, etc. having the same content as JP) You might not care about Rider Da Vinci (neither do I really), but think of it like this: Today its Rider Da Vinci, tomorrow could be Rider Karna (or any exclusive Servant that may be desirable). |
AirConditionerDec 22, 2018 1:44 AM
| New Year Eve's Stream: 2018/12/31 Monday 21:00～ Starting from today (2018/12/22 18:00) until the stream starts (2018/12/31 20:59) we will receive 1 golden apple everyday. receive 1 silver apples for 3 days, then golden apples after that. If you log in at 2018/12/31 between 00:00 to 20:59, you will receive 1 Summon Ticket. 1/4 AP Costs for all Story Quests in Part 1 and Part 2. From today, 2018/12/22 18:00 until 2019/1/12 12:59 1/2 AP Costs for all Free Quests in Part 1 and Part 2 Only for First Clear. From today, 2018/12/22 18:00 until 2019/1/12 12:59 Additional Information regarding New Year Campaign: https://news.fate-go.jp/2018/1222huyu2/ The Guaranteed Gacha will be Limited-only. 1 roll each player like usual. The cost is 15 SQ. Like usual, need Paid Quartz. Retweet Campaign for New Year: 100,000 tweets for 1 New Year 4s stars CE and 20,190,000 QP Mana Prism Gift Bag (costs 19 Mana Prism): 10,000,000 QP, 10,000 Friend Points, 1 4 stars CE EXP card, 1 Chaldea Dreamfire (The bond unlock item) New event will be Lostbelt 3 locked. |
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| >stream starts at 9pm That's like 1pm for me. So early, jeez. |
| >living in europe smh but man, thank fuck i dont have work, :life: |
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| I have sheit luck w/ limiteds, so this is a nice gacha. I don't mind getting dupes of my current Servants(NP 4 Hijikata, let's go!). Only Servant I don't want is Iskander. Not really a fan, his kit is meh too. And Da Vinci. Don't really care for her, kit is also meh(tho she has 50% NP gauge skill and is attack Caster so she'd fit a nice niche I'm lacking in). Ofc, the only Servants I actually want are Skadi and BB. Wew, 2/43 Well, better than 0.7% |
mira-pyonDec 22, 2018 3:52 AM
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| @mira-pyon > You were never part of this to begin with. >.> lol While you're kinda right, this all started when SHinso replied to my claim about Martha. I have to regain my waifu's honor :p > 170% atk up > 350% crit damage up You can get this result only if you abuse Arts cards to spam his NP and if you abuse Arts cards, you lose on some of Merlin's buffs. I think you're not only severely underestimating Martha's third Buster card, but also her Buster full Merlin-buffed offensive NP which QSH doesn't have. Don't get me wrong, his native buffs outclass Martha's, but Martha makes up for it in the extra Buster card and her NP. Also, to avoid RNG, you'll always be better served with more stars to guarantee a crit. 2030s are almost always used for the crit memes, so Martha will never be too starved on stars. Honestly, you're not doing it right if you're starving for stars in a Buster meme team that you'll need a star absorb skill. Assuming a perfect situation where - They both get all their Buster cards every turn for maximum damage. - 100% crit chance on all of them. - All of Merlin's buffs. - All of their DEF debuffs hit the enemy. Since Martha's buffs are situational, even though a LOT of enemies fall within her 3rd skill's range, I won't factor them in. For lvl80 Martha (NPBBEX + BBBEX + BBBEX): First turn: 1.5 (2*[10,546*6*1.5 + 10,546*2*4 + 10,546*2.3*4] + 10,546*3.5) = 884,282 Second turn: 1.4 (1.2*2.5*[10,546*1.5*2 + 10,546*1.8*2 + 10,546*2.1*2] + 10,546*3.5) = 530,042 Third turn: 1.4 (1.2*2.5*[10,546*1.5*2 + 10,546*1.8*2 + 10,546*2.1*2] + 10,546*3.5) = 530,042 Total damage = 1,944,366 For lvl90 QSH (NPBBEX + BABEX + BABEX): First turn: 2.2 [0 + 10,977*2.8*4.5 + 10,977*3.1*4.5 + 10,546*2] = 687,569 Second turn: 2.2 [10,977*2.5*2.5 + 10,977*1.7*2.5 + 10,977*3.1*2.5 + 10,546*2] = 487,129 Third turn: 2.2 [10,977*2.5*2.5 + 10,977*1.7*2.5 + 10,977*3.1*2.5 + 10,546*2] = 487,129 Total damage = 1,661,827 Note that: 1. Martha is more likely to get a Buster card than QSH. 2. Martha in this calculation is 10 levels lower than QSH, so a lvl 90 Martha can deal even more damage. 3. Depending on the enemy being within Martha's 3rd skill's range, she can deal even more more damage. 4. In case of an NPAAEX chain for QSH to get his NP to 100% next turn, you'll indeed get more ATK and crit buffs, but you'll lose on the Buster buffs from Merlin and the native Buster multiplier in that chain. 5. In the 4th and 5th turn (in RL fights), before Merlin regains his buffs, both QSH and Martha will deal equal damage due to him critting and her NP'ing in the meantime. > Adding the 300% power up is like factoring in Sche's King special damage trait and then saying she's the best offensive Caster, when she's not. Martha's 3rd skill covers way WAY more units than Sche's King trait, but whatever. |
astroprogsDec 22, 2018 7:11 AM
| >You can get this result only if you abuse Arts cards to spam his NP and if you abuse Arts cards, you lose on some of Merlin's buffs. >Assuming a perfect situation where - They both get all their Buster cards every turn for maximum damage. That isn't the perfect situation for QSH tho. That's a perfect situation for Martha, who only relies on Buster cards. A perfect situation for QSH would be one which has allowed him to spam his NP prior. Moreover, Merlin's crit buffs only last for that one turn, so I wouldn't be losing out on much by using Arts cards in any other turn. After all, QSH's native buffs give him +100% attack up to make up for it. Let me illustrate bc you don't seem to get it: >Arts NP spam for 2-turns(presumably some lead up happened before then) >On 3rd turn, NPBBEX That is, On those Busters on that turn he should have the +200%(dunno why my original number was 170%; should be 200% considering 2nd and 1st skills) atk up and +350% crit up. Which I don't see there(might just be because I can't figure out your way of working out + you didn't say you were adding those buffs). >.> Clearly you have manipulated the situation to only favour your waifu. :T Also I noticed you used Martha's atk value for QSH's extra attacks. |
mira-pyonDec 22, 2018 7:49 AM
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| I did mention his NP spam possibility in the notes and answered to that by pointing to him losing out on the Merlin's Buster buffs in addition to the native ones for 2 out of the 3 turns. Under Double Merlin, a single Buster card (of the four you'll miss out on) gets a 150% buff in the worst of cases (260% at best), while an Arts get 0%, with ATK and crit being universal. If you want to deal maximum damage with him you'll have to use Busters. Using an Arts spam with him and Buster only in the third turn, compared to using Buster in all three i is such a waste, even with the buffs. I dunno, a 3 turn (NPAAEX + NPAAEX + NPBBEX) seems less effective, damage-wise. But hey, maybe I'm missing something, I just don't see how an (NPAAEX + NPAAEX + NPBBEX) is better than an (NPBBEX + BABEX + BABEX) for him. |
| You're still missing it, lol. Ofc a NPAAEX + NPAAEX + NPBBEX is less effective My point is: Turn 1 : NPAAEX (50% atk x 50% crit) Turn 2: NPAAEX (100% atk x 100% crits) Turn 3: NPBBEX (240% atk x 350% crits x 100% buster up)<- Use Merlin + other skills here Turn 4: BABEX(190% atk x 100% crits x 100% buster up) Turn 5: BABEX(140% atk x 50% crits x 100% buster up) The initial NPAAEX are just to set up all the buffs and aren't actually taken into account in calculation. |
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| Ah, gocha. Well, in that kind of absurdly perfect situation, yeah, he'd outdamage her lol. I guess the question here becomes dependant on how RNG treats both. Would QSH's damage resulting from his very good NP spamming be enough, in tandem with perfect timing from Merlin, to outdamage a Martha who just has way more chances to land Buster cards and get additional buffs against a specific collection of enemies? I honestly don't know the answer to that. On another note, I'm curious if you tried a Jeanne/Merlin/QSH party. When I think of this party, I start to think that stall teams may become the new meta lol. |
| Hmm, I don't feel like it's an absurdly perfect situation tbh. At least not as absurd as getting the perfect cards on the first turn to use Summer BB. I mean, all you're doing is the usual NP spam until you happen upon 2 Buster cards(I illustrated it as NPAAEX for two turns, but that's not actually necessary). If you're using him right, you should be able to do that somewhat easily. Maybe use a Tama to better help the spam, then switch her out or smthg. Tho you're right, whatever Martha could potentially lack in damage she makes up for in easy access. But since we were talking about raw damage here and not how realistic the situation is, QSH still wins this for me. :^) >When I think of this party, I start to think that stall teams may become the new meta lol. Is that even a stall team tho, lol? Considering how much buffs you'll end up stacking, QSH's hits will probably kill the boss before you even know it. I'll try it eventually, but I want to at least get his 3rd skill to lvl 10 first. Which will take a while considering I still haven't finished SIN yet.... My big favourite is still Jeanne/BB/Merlin tho. Can't get over how insane that team is for stalling. |
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