Goblin Slayer (light novel)
| I'm am suppose to be super offended and scream "RAPE CULTURE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" Sure, rape at the very first episode may not have been a very good idea, but that's how the author decide to establish his world or at least the goblins. What do you expect, people to start attacking the author for using rape ? The show already got tons of negative attention and it keeps going. Quite frankly, I've never seen an anime stir the pot so much, as in, never in the history of anime have I seen such an outrage over a rape scene. Also who the fuck said they liked the rape in this show ? I swear I constantly see people say that "Rape is used as fanservice in this show" or "Rape sells". What the fuck kind of planet are you people living on again ? Because it's sure as hell not planet Earth. |
| I'm indifferent to it because I have enough of a brain to understand the difference between fiction and reality. |
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| as long as those rapist being killed it is okey |
| This world is so small but we still cant find our ways. |
TsukuyomiREKT said: Exacly because world is full of idiots that cant tell difference between fiction and reality and they will think that if its okey in fiction it should be okey irl as well. Always think about the idiots.I'm indifferent to it because I have enough of a brain to understand the difference between fiction and reality. |
| This world is so small but we still cant find our ways. |
Inces_Is_Winces said: The story post episode 1 misses a great oppurtunity to really establish that the world is a more cutthroat and harsh place than we realize, and really stick to the tone established back in episode 1. Instead it retreats back to it's Light-Novel Fantasy tropes. This is supposed to be a series that is "different" from the rest of the other Fantasy animes, which is what alot of fans keep telling me. I agree completely. My concern while watching the first episode was that the rest of the series would not have the capacity to deal with the subject of rape in the universe. And as I expected, rape is just used repeatedly as a plot device to show that goblins are Bad, and therefore Goblin Slayer clearly needs to kill them by the dozen. I hoped at least that the intensity of the first episode would translate into a real sense of threat to the main characters, with the implication that they could die at any moment. Instead, everyone is loaded down with plot armor, which robs the action scenes of tension. The following episodes fail to live up to the dark, edgy tone established at the outset. So really, the rape in the first episode is not justified by narrative depth; it's just a device to grab attention and motivate the mc. Which is in the end are lazy reasons to have rape in a story. The term for that is "gratuitous". The story does not spend time really examining the impact of rape and other brutality on the characters, which would be a justification for having it in the story. When there actually is acknowledgement of trauma of the victims, the commentary is sophomoric rather than thoughtful. It's like if there were orc rape scenes in Lord of the Rings. Tolkien was a great author, but the story he wrote did not have the capacity to deal with that kind of material. Justifying it with the reasoning that "it would show the orcs are bad" or "it would make for a darker fantasy" really do not excuse lazy storytelling. We already know orcs are bad based on their actions in the context of the story, who they are affiliated with, and what their goals and motivations are. Having a scene where some hot Rohan chick gets raped by an Uruk belongs in a trashy fanfic (which I would totally read, though). In short, rape is a serious topic, but having it in a story does not make the story serious. |
| Because not everyone is obsessed with a scene, which took a few seconds of the first episode. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi  |
| I'm indifferent to it beacuse it was pretty much just an excuse to make goblins seem more dangerous and evil, and it was pretty effective at that. What's really offensive is how bad the rest of the show is. |
*laughs in Dimple*  |
| if goblin slayer has rape then konosuba has decapitation goblin slayer had an indirect rape scene konosuba had an indirect decapitation scene, which they discussed further and more detailed afterwards i don't see people freaking out over konosuba freaking out over goblin slayer sounds like something a literal double digit iq monkey would do and considering the average iq is 100 (which is low as fuck lol, and the average is even lower in half of the countries of the world) i guess i can see how an incredibly huge percentage of people are already unintelligent by default and then we add external factors such as public outrage (which can influence some ppl cus they're easily biased) and random other brainwash bias stuff and i voila your thread is bad and your arguments are bad i feel bad for being unfortunate enough to see this |
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| It was only a matter of time until the usual suspect would appear. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
papsoshea said: "I have no counter-argument, gif time" What am I supposed to counter? Your distinct paranoia? |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
papsoshea said: The arguments I put forward have examples and references from the show. For starters, try countering how the show's reasoning to have rape in it isn't Thermian Fallacy. This is something, no Goblin Slayer fan can do. When you see people calling the decision for it as a cheap excuse for shock value, they are not wrong. And cheap shock value = lazy writing! And lazy writing = bad story! And bad story = shit! Example of Thermian Fallacy! Then, the presentation of rape. Rape is such a complex issue right? Try to explain to everyone why it doesn't need to treat it as a complex issue and why there is nothing wrong with having every girl raped in the series being disposable or not even attempting to delve into the psychological trauma and PTSD of the victims! How are we suppose to take rape seriously in Goblin Slayer when the show itself doesn't? Having it to vilify goblins is Thermian Fallacy. But if it is trying to show us the horrors of such acts, then why does it present it in a gratuitous and titillating way? It's not only sexualized but presented as 'sexy'. This is nothing but trying to have its cake and eat it too. But please, ignore the rest of the post and proceed to post gifs or use fallacy arguments. Your "arguments" have been refuted time and time again. But you keep repeating them like a broken record. Nothing to add there. It's actually called Thermian Argument (you can't even get that right) and it already falls apart with the conditions set for it. "Minor premise: The creator has full control over a work of fiction he or she produces." The editor and publisher also have a say regarding the contents of a literary work, so that point is moot. You keep rambling about "alt accounts" and "edgelords". You seem to be unable to fathom the fact that some people simply like the anime. Therefore paranoia. That you spewed nonsense and hatred over the anime since day one doesn't exactly support your credibility. I, and no one else for that matter, never claimed rape to be a complex issue or that it is portrayed as such in Goblin Slayer. The series doesn't have to delve into the psychological trauma. Like someone else already said, there are no fixed rules about its portrayal. Besides, it actually does that with the current arc, which is partly about the Sword Maiden and her trauma. I already stated this elsewhere, but the rape (which actually isn't even shown) is neither titillating, sexualized nor "sexy". If you perceive it that way, that's entirely on you. Yeah, her breasts are shortly visible, but if you think of something sexual every time naked breasts are shown, it tells more about you and your lack of maturity. For example, in the movie The General's Daughter a woman is raped, killed and her naked body is left at the scene of the crime. When the body is found and the movie shows it in detail, I certainly didn't perceive it as arousing or sexy. The Corpse of Anna Fritz is another perfect example. I'm done here. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
| Damn, not another one, it's a DARK fantasty it's not a freaking Shock that it has Ra*e in it, it's not the Ra*e that's bad, it's how they handled it that is they re-designed the characters filler-ly to look more sexually appealing they toned the art style to ease the animation they used a CGI character model instead of just digital artwork they cut the material from the light novel to make that scene the center of the episode they made something that was originally just a *it happened* in the light novels into a*it happened this way, and that way*, other words, trash filler Long story short: it's not canon and the anime adaptation is trash -fan of the light novels since 2015 |
Inces_Is_Winces said: incisorr said: if goblin slayer has rape then konosuba has decapitation goblin slayer had an indirect rape scene konosuba had an indirect decapitation scene, which they discussed further and more detailed afterwards i don't see people freaking out over konosuba freaking out over goblin slayer sounds like something a literal double digit iq monkey would do and considering the average iq is 100 (which is low as fuck lol, and the average is even lower in half of the countries of the world) i guess i can see how an incredibly huge percentage of people are already unintelligent by default and then we add external factors such as public outrage (which can influence some ppl cus they're easily biased) and random other brainwash bias stuff and i voila your thread is bad and your arguments are bad i feel bad for being unfortunate enough to see this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence Also I just want to know why people think the rape "isn't a big deal" in a story. depends of the show and what they are trying to do with the theme |
shinzohm said: you should understand the rape scene is not fan service,it was meant to show you how serious of a threat goblins are, as seen by reactions of other characters of the show people take goblins as a joke a low class monster that does no harm but thats not the case the intention does not equal the action. this has been said in literature almost a century ago, where have you been, lad? are you sure that a show that redesigned female characters to look more sexually appealing, couldn't do the effort of animating a highly detailed character, went with a generic art style, made a filler scene out of a *it happened* in the soruce material?, cut canon material to make such a outlier scene the center of a half hour episode's focus?, and had goblins acting moderately and generically for a ra*e scene?. i don't think you read the source material, lad?, and the adaptation is trash,no to defend trash. if you like trash, that's ok, but that doesn't change the fact it is trash moral of story: filler is trash, and so are fillerizers. |
TheBigGuy said: papsoshea said: The arguments I put forward have examples and references from the show. For starters, try countering how the show's reasoning to have rape in it isn't Thermian Fallacy. This is something, no Goblin Slayer fan can do. When you see people calling the decision for it as a cheap excuse for shock value, they are not wrong. And cheap shock value = lazy writing! And lazy writing = bad story! And bad story = shit! Example of Thermian Fallacy! Then, the presentation of rape. Rape is such a complex issue right? Try to explain to everyone why it doesn't need to treat it as a complex issue and why there is nothing wrong with having every girl raped in the series being disposable or not even attempting to delve into the psychological trauma and PTSD of the victims! How are we suppose to take rape seriously in Goblin Slayer when the show itself doesn't? Having it to vilify goblins is Thermian Fallacy. But if it is trying to show us the horrors of such acts, then why does it present it in a gratuitous and titillating way? It's not only sexualized but presented as 'sexy'. This is nothing but trying to have its cake and eat it too. But please, ignore the rest of the post and proceed to post gifs or use fallacy arguments. Your "arguments" have been refuted time and time again. But you keep repeating them like a broken record. Nothing to add there. It's actually called Thermian Argument (you can't even get that right) and it already falls apart with the conditions set for it. "Minor premise: The creator has full control over a work of fiction he or she produces." The editor and publisher also have a say regarding the contents of a literary work, so that point is moot. You keep rambling about "alt accounts" and "edgelords". You seem to be unable to fathom the fact that some people simply like the anime. Therefore paranoia. That you spewed nonsense and hatred over the anime since day one doesn't exactly support your credibility. I, and no one else for that matter, never claimed rape to be a complex issue or that it is portrayed as such in Goblin Slayer. The series doesn't have to delve into the psychological trauma. Like someone else already said, there are no fixed rules about its portrayal. Besides, it actually does that with the current arc, which is partly about the Sword Maiden and her trauma. I already stated this elsewhere, but the rape (which actually isn't even shown) is neither titillating, sexualized nor "sexy". If you perceive it that way, that's entirely on you. Yeah, her breasts are shortly visible, but if you think of something sexual every time naked breasts are shown, it tells more about you and your lack of maturity. For example, in the movie The General's Daughter a woman is raped, killed and her naked body is left at the scene of the crime. When the body is found and the movie shows it in detail, I certainly didn't perceive it as arousing or sexy. The Corpse of Anna Fritz is another perfect example. I'm done here. I think it has more to do with the vicim being a cute anime girl until that point, as someone who likes GS , i admit its tonal dissonance, and the character design is part of it. But im agree that the scene itself was not presented as sexy att all, people still will sexualize it, i mean look at the female fghter tag on PIXIV and thell me, but i guess you cant avoid it. I admit GS have tonnal dissonance, huge at some times, and even in the first episode, i cna hardly buy the narrative , like, if what happened with priestess party is common, then how goblins are still understimated. But i quite like the show, i guess a guilty pleasure |
| @TheArgonaut88 I guess. I said myself, that the particular scene could have been handled better. That's because the majority of adventurers only fought stray goblins, which have been thrown out of the tribe. They never fought the goblins in their own turf (the caves), where they are the most dangerous. Or fought them in an open field, which is again easier than fighting them in a cave. |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
UTJeff316 said: Phantomnocomics said: the intention does not equal the action. this has been said in literature almost a century ago, where have you been, lad? are you sure that a show that redesigned female characters to look more sexually appealing, couldn't do the effort of animating a highly detailed character, went with a generic art style, made a filler scene out of a *it happened* in the soruce material?, cut canon material to make such a outlier scene the center of a half hour episode's focus?, and had goblins acting moderately and generically for a ra*e scene?. i don't think you read the source material, lad?, and the adaptation is trash,no to defend trash. if you like trash, that's ok, but that doesn't change the fact it is trash moral of story: filler is trash, and so are fillerizers. I've read both the light novel and manga, and I can say you are wrong. O really, would you like to play a quote and tell game to confirm your claim?. after all, you wouldn't have the guts to respond to me if you didn't really read the light novels and there is a condition, once the initial part is mentioned, you have 30 seconds to post it, for safe measures of course, we don't want cheating after all, and no: it's been a while so i don't remember < none of that and to make things fun: the mentioned part will be a description of the event and not a text so there would be no copy-pasta and it will be random as expected: no response, O well, That's what happens when you someone state untrue stuff and those stuff are spotlighted, they just aren't there. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 16, 2018 5:00 PM
| All I can say is that I agree with the OP. I think I've talked enough about GS for one lifetime... |
papsoshea said: 1. You miss the part where I didn't say anything about 'main characters'. I said "full of cute girls (mainly with big tits)". And explain how does episode 5 show how she takes her job seriously? If she did, then she wouldn't have spent the previous episodes sending novices to their deaths with half-ass warnings (she doesn't even bat an eye that they get butchered) she even mentions that many novices end up dying because of how naive they are. How can novices be naive when these acts have been happening for years? It like millennials of today having zero ideas of the horrors of war. And knowing how naive the adventurers are, she still sends them on the quests, knowing there is a high possibility that they will all get butchered and raped! Another example of nonsensical world-building. And please, the rape scene was gratuitous and titillating, just because you feel it wasn't doesn't mean it isn't. One, rape is a complex issue and the scene didn't treat it as a complex issue because the victim (and every girl that gets raped in this series) is disposable or doesn't delve into the psychological trauma and PTSD of the victims. The way the faces are drawn and animated, the blush, the sound effects, the crazy-eyes, the way the goblins are drawn and animated with their tongues sticking out, grinning and giggling. The way the tits are pressed against the ground, the position she is put in, the way her clothes were stripped off, the detail into gripping the ass cheeks and knowing exactly when penetration happened while butchering of the idiot swordsman all happened off-screen. 2. "The author for whatever reason saw fit to create the goblins this way. This is also not the only fantasy property where goblins reproduce in this fashion. RE:Monster, another popular light novel and manga series, features kidnapped women raped by male goblins in order to reproduce." - you are correct, which is why it's Thermian Fallacy! You're not understanding the point of the specific logic behind this from a meta point of view. The goblin god made them beings of pure evil to cause chaos and pain but gives them the glaring oversight of needing other race's females to reproduce. And from a serious narrative point of view, this only serves as a way to make goblins seem bad, e.g. Goblins is bad, rape is bad, so goblins rape. As if rape is the only way to vilify the goblins, the author intentionally had it this way with a poor biological reasoning so rape can occur in the story for the sake of having rape. Because if that wasn't the reason, rape would be treated much more of a complex issue like it actually is in real life! That the victims aren't disposable or their PTSD being avoided and not explored. And using a series such a RE:Monster to justify the Thermian Fallacy is red-herring! "B-b-but l-l-look at this series, it did the same thing! You don't see people criticizing it". "I don't think that's a Thermian Fallacy. Not all zombies in forms of media are the same. Same with vampires. Sometimes you can have vampires who don't burn in sunlight and can walk outside during the day." - this is a poor comparison because and lack of understanding what Thermian Fallacy is. The goblins are designed this way to vilify them and to implement rape without treating it as a complex issue (I already explained above so many times). The rest you say are bad comparisons because you don't understand the point that has been said and proved many times before. Just because the authour writes things the way he wants, doesn't mean it is automatically free of fallacies and contradictions. "This author created a world where goblins are simply parasitic, nasty, cruel, violent and naturally evil creatures. There are forces of light and forces of chaos in this world. Goblins are the products of the forces of chaos. They only breed as males and their offspring are always male goblins." - and that is what I mean. From a meta point of view, it is Thermian Fallacy, so when you hear people say rape is used cheaply for shock value, they are not wrong! 3. Being edgy is bad when it is only there for the sake of edge! How can you fail to understand this? Rape to vilify the goblins is Thermian Fallacy then it's backed up with every excuse possible to have rape in the story by giving the poorest of reasons biologically speaking. Then it comes down to execution and obviously was executed poorly (which was already explained previously). "To me if it was Edge for the sake of having Edge, there wouldn't have been a point to any of it. I would say the point establishes that the goblins, while they are the lowest level of monster, are still very dangerous and should not be taken lightly. Priestess became an adventurer to help people, and in her first quest, she's exposed to the potential horror she might face as well as the fate of particular adventurers (pun intended). So, I would say there was a clear point and intent to everything. It also properly establishes Goblin Slayer, who is a silver ranked adventurer and is a practiced specialist in killing goblins. So, we get a sense of Goblin Slayer, who he is as a person, establishing the beginning of his relationship with Priestess, and some of the goblin hierarchy and methods as well. We also see the dichotomy of the rookie adventurers and a silver-ranked adventurer who has been at it for years." - no! More lack of understanding what Thermian Fallacy is (just like every fan of the show) and you just came out and said it so blatantly, the point of rape is to vilify the goblins because murder and torture are incapable of doing it right? And what makes the whole ideal nonsensical is that even though the show keeps telling us that goblins are weak, we the viewers know they pose a major threat in numbers (even though a walking CGI-fest tin can is capable of rekting them so easily) but get this, ^^ you see how nonsensical the world-building is? This is why Goblin Slayer is a complete shitshow of a series. 4. Completely ignored the obvious and unnecessary fanservice I see? The back story was a vague glimpse that doesn't mean anything when we see zero psychological trauma and PTSD from Goblin Slayer himself and having other characters doing it for him is just bad and lazy writing. We see zero emotion from Goblin Slayer, we don't know what he looks like (even in the manga), he doesn't have a name (yes, a name is an important part of characterization, is elf archer the only elf who is an archer?). The only defining characteristics we get from him is an edgy glowing red eye. Matter of fact we never see any indication of any character in the story being traumatized by his backstory making Goblin Slayer’s motivations for his actions bare bone at best. And no, the armour isn’t a metaphor or symbolism, he wears armour just in case of a surprise attack from goblins which doesn’t make sense when he’s in places such as the guild hall. Like I am not telling you what you can and can't enjoy, so far all you have done is given your opinion and feelings of said scenes but you're not even attempting to look at fallacies and contradictions here and from a meta point of view - things such as plot, story-telling, world-building etc. 5. "They were hardly destroyed" - Yes, this is why you can't take this show as a "dark and mature" fantasy seriously. Shows like Berserk don't have character designs of kawaii anime troupes. Berserk doesn't have various atmosphere and moods interchanging between grimdark style and Slice-of-Life like this show does. You're kidding yourself if you really think of the opposite. And please, what was so valuable of the character development displayed here? Please explain! The 3-characters that joined were just introduced! We barely know anything about them that warrants us caring for them. All we learned is character classes and they have no names. Their backstory isn't anything about their childhood or anything interesting to them personally but more on their race and it wasn't even explored to great lengths. I can catch you out on this bullshit by simply removing Goblin Slayer himself from the series, now, who exactly are these characters? What are their personal goals? What are their dreams? Do they have strong convictions? What is their personal origins and motivations? You can't explain it without using false facts or stretching things. These characters are blatantly generic as you can possibly get, cardboard cut-outs and we the viewers are given zero reasons to give a shit about them, they follow Goblin Slayer because? Exactly! The origins of the goblins were theory-crafting lol c'mon dude be more serious and actually try here. And if we take that origin as fact, they how on Earth are they even created on the Moon when they can only be born males by procreating with females of different races? This goes directly back to the example used to expose the Thermian Fallacy! 6. The scene showing her in captive was gratuitous and titillating, something out of a hentai with BDSM and yeah, she was naked and just happen to have big tits but let's ignore that also. And this is the part where the elf's reaction is nonsensical, someone who is "supposedly" 2000 years old and has various worldly experiences, somehow lacks any understanding of things like this that have happened for years against women, and any females of any race that resembles women (elves). Don't take it literally dude, obvious sarcasm, I just find it hilarious that such a strong monster who is obviously so ridiculously more powerful than any of the main group, have his attacks deflecting by a low-level adventurer! They didn't spend time developing this idea, it was shown in flashbacks, this was deus ex machina! Is wasn't used clever, it was always going to happen, there wasn't any real danger, the story made it that way the protagonist can pull the scroll out at that specific point after giving off the feeling that all hope is lost. Bad writing! And yeah, also ignore the part of how goblins were killed with common-sense tactics yet again. In episode 2, using oil and fire to smoke them out, then using the priestess spell to then kill them one by one is common-sense! And the priestess being torn about the methods used knowing that these creatures exist solely to kill and rape is high-levels of retardedness. 7. Well does it bother me and many viewers? Pointless fanservice is just bad, period! It's just there because why? To get horny Edge Lords excited, do you even read the much Goblin Slayer threads here? The fans are constantly ogling over it. And it isn't sparingly done, it is dedicated to it with the various camera angles and zoom-in shots, why do these girls with big tits have 'boing' sound effects when their tits move? Especially from the sorceress, and when she reaches between her cleavage to pull deus ex machina for characters. Why does she speak slowly? It isn't a unique pattern, she is literally the cardboard cut out of any other generic big breasted women from your typical harem show. She's into stoic guys? Because? Why? Goblin Slayer is the only stoic guy? She doesn't know anything about him. What's the Elf's reasoning? What's the Sword-Maidens reasoning? They really don't have a reason it's just following the same typical troupe of the 'badass' protagonist who has a harem. "I think the other reason is that she is the one taking the quests from the villagers every day and sees how troublesome goblins are. Meanwhile, Goblin Slayer is the only veteran adventurer who is really willing to take those type of quests. She, unlike the other adventurers, recognizes the good he is doing for these smaller villages plagued by goblins." - Then why does she send novices to their deaths with half ass warnings? And agree, you pointed out how nonsensical the other guild adventurers and the world itself actually are, which I already explained in detail above. 8. "I know a show that did the same thing quite a bit -- Fullmetal Alchemist." - This is a flaw that is criticized all the time, what are you even meaning? So are you admitting that it is a flaw? And used another show that is received better (because it obviously does everything else better) to justify the flaw? And the trauma means shit when it only brings it up now after showing her getting over her first quest so easily and joining Goblin Slayer on more of these quests because of reasons? It isn't realistic at all! And the Sword-Maiden turns into another bombshell bimbo who falls in love with Goblin Slayer because of reasons? Everything about her is instantly destroyed. And we have already been given other working of this world but Goblin Slayer himself isn't interested in them and only care for slaying goblins. The fact that we don't see hardly any of the otherworldly terrors makes it all moot. The idea of it can only seem interesting through pretentious overthinking, which you and many fans of this trash series do weekly. The difference here is other series doesn't rely on magic spells almost always requiring a perverted condition so they can be activated. "Priestess using protection, Archer using her bow and arrow skills and then staging that battle on the ship using that makeshift tear gas bomb. Then they have to run away from the alligator and think of a plan to have it take out the other goblin pirate ships." - all common sense, nothing interesting or badass about it, and it's an issue biggest the fans like to make a big deal of how Goblin Slayer is uniquely creative in his methods of killing Goblins when everything thus far is simply common sense methods that any can figure out. And having a creature finish the job for them is cheap! What was your entire point of replying to me? You didn't really argue anything, all you did was bled your feelings on said things, at best, you just nitpicked certain things and looked past the obvious flaws and criticisms the show has. what in the anime? congrats for writing a novella, but can you make a short version in one line for I cannot read that long story short: it's a bad adaptation |
NthDegree said: All I can say is that I agree with the OP. I think I've talked enough about GS for one lifetime... considering you are insane enough to play Umineko, Understand it, be a fan of it. it makes sense frankly |
Phantomnocomics said: NthDegree said: All I can say is that I agree with the OP. I think I've talked enough about GS for one lifetime... considering you are insane enough to play Umineko, Understand it, be a fan of it. it makes sense frankly I'm not sure how it's related to the topic, but thank you? |
papsoshea said: TheBigGuy said: "Nothing to add there" = I have no counter-argument.Your "arguments" have been refuted time and time again. But you keep repeating them like a broken record. Nothing to add there. It's actually called Thermian Argument (you can't even get that right) and it already falls apart with the conditions set for it. "Minor premise: The creator has full control over a work of fiction he or she produces." The editor and publisher also have a say regarding the contents of a literary work, so that point is moot. You keep rambling about "alt accounts" and "edgelords". You seem to be unable to fathom the fact that some people simply like the anime. Therefore paranoia. That you spewed nonsense and hatred over the anime since day one doesn't exactly support your credibility. I, and no one else for that matter, never claimed rape to be a complex issue or that it is portrayed as such in Goblin Slayer. The series doesn't have to delve into the psychological trauma. Like someone else already said, there are no fixed rules about its portrayal. Besides, it actually does that with the current arc, which is partly about the Sword Maiden and her trauma. I already stated this elsewhere, but the rape (which actually isn't even shown) is neither titillating, sexualized nor "sexy". If you perceive it that way, that's entirely on you. Yeah, her breasts are shortly visible, but if you think of something sexual every time naked breasts are shown, it tells more about you and your lack of maturity. For example, in the movie The General's Daughter a woman is raped, killed and her naked body is left at the scene of the crime. When the body is found and the movie shows it in detail, I certainly didn't perceive it as arousing or sexy. The Corpse of Anna Fritz is another perfect example. I'm done here. The Thermian Argument is the exchange between people giving an in-universe answer to an out-universe question. The fallacy is "The meta reason" as a framing mechanism for this type of exchange. Again, "I'm asking specifically the logic behind this from a meta point of view. The goblin god made them beings of pure evil to cause chaos and pain but gives them the glaring oversight of needing other race's females to reproduce. And from a serious narrative point of view, this only serves as a way to make goblins seem bad, e.g. Goblins is bad, rape is bad, so goblins rape—this seems to be the main logic behind the reasoning given. It’s the biggest problem of the series, it focuses a lot on being dark and edgy purely for the shock value. The rape is used to sell us further on goblins being evil as if murder and torture aren’t going to do that." No, I am not saying people shouldn't enjoy what they like, but let's not pretend that accounts that were recently made that only have Goblin Slayer on their list, rated a 10/10 and barely have any forum post don't exist, most of them respond to me, and a few have already had their accounts shut down (look at the thread where you report sock accounts). And not one person has made a legit counter-argument? Most of the things the show has in it are criticized over a course of many of other series, but since this is Goblin Slayer, constant fanservice isn't a problem! Pointless murders and rape isn't a problem! Generic setting and characters isn't a problem! The list goes on and on, but these same fans try to act that there is hardly any fanservice and it's only the critic's imagination, and all the murders and rape are deep and meaningful and the characters and setting is far from generic (and I mean the type of generic that is executed poorly). And I never said you made that claim and please don't speak for on behalf of everyone else, what was said is rape is a complex issue, and I am asking you and others in form of a question. Because saying the opposite is incorrect, rape is a complex issue but Goblin Slayer doesn't treat it as a complex issue. And the rape had specific details that we got see and you're in denial that it isn't gratuitous and titillating. And it doesn't speak about my level of maturity, it's calling a spade a spade, seeing it for what it is. And it is truly the intent because that is how it also is in the manga, which the anime is more-so following. Do you want me to link you every single panel from the manga that shows how gratuitous is all is, how it is titillating, sexualized and presented as sexy? I have never seen the General's Daughter so how is that example suppose to mean anything? I don't know anything about the movie, I don't know it's setting if the atmosphere and mood are consistent or not etc. A better example is Berserk. Berserk is much more vivid in its details with high-levels of nudity and the rape scene being heavily sexualized. Sexualized and sexy aren't the same thing, nor do characters (Like Casca) look like kawaii anime troupes from a high school harem, and it isn't gratuitous because, for the most part, rape is treated as a complex issue, for the most part, rape is treated equally to the violence shown, rape, for the most part, is handled in a way where it explores the victims and their psychological trauma and PTSD. And I certainly didn't perceive it as arousing or sexy (although some people can it doesn't have the same elements that Goblin Slayer has which is why the manga is always referred as a borderline hentai). The examples you used are even remotely the same as Goblin Slayer lol smh what a joke! You need to reply back in gifs, you have no real counter-arguments. And I watch this show so that my opinions are valid. I am not someone who is 'hating' without watching the actual show. Not saying you, but people have told me many times, "don't like? don't watch" but what they're basically meaning is they don't want any differing opinion from their's or anyone pointing out the massive flaws this show has. "I am done here" - let's see :) Quick edit: "The series doesn't have to delve into the psychological trauma. Like someone else already said, there are no fixed rules about its portrayal. Besides, it actually does that with the current arc, which is partly about the Sword Maiden and her trauma." - I didn't say it had to, I am saying if it wants people to take it seriously in terms of story-telling and characterization then it should. In the manga its handled in a way that makes it more of a joke, but lets see if the anime changes that, even though the anime follows the manga more closely than the Light Novel but there have been changes here, you know how a complete arc was skipped. by some chance of miracle, i read some of it and all i want to say is: humans Like ANYTHING, why bother discuss it? the joke is: the anime being an adaptation of an adaptation instead of the source material cheap effort right there |
UTJeff316 said: Phantomnocomics said: O really, would you like to play a quote and tell game to confirm your claim?. after all, you wouldn't have the guts to respond to me if you didn't really read the light novels and there is a condition, once the initial part is mentioned, you have 30 seconds to post it, for safe measures of course, we don't want cheating after all, and no: it's been a while so i don't remember < none of that and to make things fun: the mentioned part will be a description of the event and not a text so there would be no copy-pasta and it will be random as expected: no response, O well, That's what happens when you someone state untrue stuff and those stuff are spotlighted, they just aren't there. What the hell? I'm not on my computer every minute. But I'd be more than happy to answer your challenge, not sure how that will work over the internet on a forum though. Regardless, I've read every volume of the novel that's been released in English. I even got a shikishi board signed by Kumo Kagyu at Anime Expo and went to his panel. .....What a fan, Thing is lad, once the anime came out, countless fakes came out as fans, so had to do spot the fakes from the trues through said challenge, but for safe measures, what is the inspiration of the 3 classes of females for goblin slayer, wizard, tank, elf? , since you seem like a hardcore fan, you should know about it. but for curiosity, why would you defend this adaptation, i'm sure you realize how bad the art compared to the original, intention wise?, and how generic the animation are not top tier, not that i expected them to make top animations in the first place, that they made CGI character models instead of cheap digitally manual models and i'm not gonna mention how bad stuff like: how it is an adaptation of adaptation instead of the source material, how the characters and dark themes are fan-serviced instead of being properly dark themes, so how can you by any means of sanity defend this adaptation?. i'm lost? Long story short: defending GS adaptation anime is like defending persona 5 anime |
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| Oh geez. We're halfway of the show and SJWs are still triggered for that scene from the first episode lmao. |
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HeroicHealer said: I did not like the rape found it uncomfortable to watch. Poor fighter girl. The people who did not flinch or were unfazed, you guys have nerves of steel or you guys got problems. In other words, the scene served its purpose in the storyline. |
papsoshea said: Phantomnocomics said: by some chance of miracle, i read some of it and all i want to say is: humans Like ANYTHING, why bother discuss it? the joke is: the anime being an adaptation of an adaptation instead of the source material cheap effort right there It's not about what people like or not. Nor is anyone telling anyone why would they like so-and-so or what to like and what to dislike. The joke is even if it was a faithful adaption of the LN alone, nothing changes, its still shit because the world-building is bad. Nurguburu said: Oh geez. We're halfway of the show and SJWs are still triggered for that scene from the first episode lmao. ^^ Funny thing is, we haven't seen the worst of this poorly written show yet. And from here on out, it's a slow crash-and-burn to the finale! Pointing out bad writing doesn't make you an SJW, being offended by the scene and carrying on like it's pro-rape culture (etc) does. Fans of the series tend to be easily triggered when Goblin Slayer is criticized. Hell, anime fans, in general, tend to be rather intolerant of general critiques of their medium. It's a pretty sad fact about the anime fandom in general. The world-building of Goblin Slayer could have been good, but there are so many gaps and nonsensical things like a lot of LN's have. And these gaps disrupt a viewer's immersion in the world. Take Star Wars: Isn't it absurd that an untrained farm boy ends up flying a multi-million dollar (credit) high tech starfighter vs a Moon-sized base? And does so vs professional enemy pilots who he does well against? Or that the Death Star sends out like ~20 Tie Fighters for ~20 X and Y Wings. Why didn't they just swamp the Rebels with a hundred Ties and be done with it? And the force is literally Deus Ex Machina. But most folks don't think about that because Star Wars was so damn engaging. However, the key issue with world-building is if a story intentionally or unintentionally calls attention to something about the world and then fails to do anything with it. That's usually when stories run into a problem. If they never shine a light on it, it doesn't prompt us to think about it. Bringing women along to these quests in Goblin Slayer bugs the hell out of critics. When a story makes Goblin rape so prominent and also the source of more Goblins, it demands people to ask questions. If it wasn't as prominent and graphic, this wouldn't be an issue. But because the series call attention to rape and reproductive violation, people have a right to go "Hey wait a minute!" But what do triggered fans of Goblin Slayer say in response? "HAHA SJW!!".   So basically only for a point that require a little bit of a stretch of the immagination (And also it's not even impossible since this world operates on different rules) the series is garbage and fans of the series are only edgelords who faps on these scenes? Jeez. You can't even accept another view because you are so damn biased. I am fan of the series and i always said why Goblin Slayer it's not perfect, but if you past that, it can be very enjoyble, it's not a series so broken it ruins the fun you can have with it. Besides i already once tried to answer all you questions and you never gave an answer. Yet here you are, complaining about the same shit. Why anyone should waste their time with you. Just drop the series. Sword Art Online for me is garbage but i never complained about it every episode or at every discussion. When i found myself not enoying the series and after i expressed once my opinion i stopped to care about it. Also, i wonder if you actually READ the novels since most of your questions would have answers. Yes Goblins feed the women. No Goblins are NOT on the green moon or atleast it's never been clarified. Guilds rise the alert on goblin quests often and so on and so on. Besides if they actually banned women from such quests this would create probably other problems. Women would resent such a thing, besides the strongest warriors of the world right now are women, if they locked quests they wouldn't grow as adventurers and would not cultivate their talents and would not take care of BIGGER threats. |
GreenNet said: papsoshea said: It's not about what people like or not. Nor is anyone telling anyone why would they like so-and-so or what to like and what to dislike. The joke is even if it was a faithful adaption of the LN alone, nothing changes, its still shit because the world-building is bad. ^^ Funny thing is, we haven't seen the worst of this poorly written show yet. And from here on out, it's a slow crash-and-burn to the finale! Pointing out bad writing doesn't make you an SJW, being offended by the scene and carrying on like it's pro-rape culture (etc) does. Fans of the series tend to be easily triggered when Goblin Slayer is criticized. Hell, anime fans, in general, tend to be rather intolerant of general critiques of their medium. It's a pretty sad fact about the anime fandom in general. The world-building of Goblin Slayer could have been good, but there are so many gaps and nonsensical things like a lot of LN's have. And these gaps disrupt a viewer's immersion in the world. Take Star Wars: Isn't it absurd that an untrained farm boy ends up flying a multi-million dollar (credit) high tech starfighter vs a Moon-sized base? And does so vs professional enemy pilots who he does well against? Or that the Death Star sends out like ~20 Tie Fighters for ~20 X and Y Wings. Why didn't they just swamp the Rebels with a hundred Ties and be done with it? And the force is literally Deus Ex Machina. But most folks don't think about that because Star Wars was so damn engaging. However, the key issue with world-building is if a story intentionally or unintentionally calls attention to something about the world and then fails to do anything with it. That's usually when stories run into a problem. If they never shine a light on it, it doesn't prompt us to think about it. Bringing women along to these quests in Goblin Slayer bugs the hell out of critics. When a story makes Goblin rape so prominent and also the source of more Goblins, it demands people to ask questions. If it wasn't as prominent and graphic, this wouldn't be an issue. But because the series call attention to rape and reproductive violation, people have a right to go "Hey wait a minute!" But what do triggered fans of Goblin Slayer say in response? "HAHA SJW!!". So basically only for a point that require a little bit of a stretch of the immagination (And also it's not even impossible since this world operates on different rules) the series is garbage and fans of the series are only edgelords who faps on these scenes? Jeez. You can't even accept another view because you are so damn biased. I am fan of the series and i always said why Goblin Slayer it's not perfect, but if you past that, it can be very enjoyble, it's not a series so broken it ruins the fun you can have with it. Besides i already once tried to answer all you questions and you never gave an answer. Yet here you are, complaining about the same shit. Why anyone should waste their time with you. Just drop the series. Sword Art Online for me is garbage but i never complained about it every episode or at every discussion. When i found myself not enoying the series and after i expressed once my opinion i stopped to care about it. Also, i wonder if you actually READ the novels since most of your questions would have answers. Yes Goblins feed the women. No Goblins are NOT on the green moon or atleast it's never been clarified. Guilds rise the alert on goblin quests often and so on and so on. Besides if they actually banned women from such quests this would create probably other problems. Women would resent such a thing, besides the strongest warriors of the world right now are women, if they locked quests they wouldn't grow as adventurers and would not cultivate their talents and would not take care of BIGGER threats. lmao @papsoshea isn’t just complaining about the same shit. he’s intentionally spoiling shit on GS episode threads. Here’s what he said in GS episode 6 thread: “ This legendary sword maiden (from what the manga provides) is one of the strongest humans and has the 'hots' for the protagonist (totally not empowerment fantasy/harem). She slept naked with him while he was also naked with the loli. Also naked in the same bed to activate a healing magic they barely needed. Because magic spells always require a perverted condition so they can be activated. And not only that but she also had wet dreams about him. I 'respect' her even more for her complexity and her being the embodiment of one of the greatest heroes this anime has to offer...oh wait, turns out she is just here fan service, just like every other girl in this pathetic anime. What a complete shit show! Dark and mature? This series was closer to kawaii anime troupe slice-of-life, betraying every grimdark theme the show tries so hard to establish. This is an edge lord wet dream! Action? It was basic, the CGI is atrocious and choreography is boring. "It was a nice touch with Maiden being a representation of justice; blindfolded, holding a sword with the handle area being a weighing scale." ^^ She's dressed like a whore and has big massive tits! This is one of the worst anime in years ” he even took the time to research on a LN series that he hates so much just to spoil the fun on others. The very definition of a human scum. A real piece of fucking shit |
HeroicHealer said: I did not like the rape found it uncomfortable to watch. Poor fighter girl. The people who did not flinch or were unfazed, you guys have nerves of steel or you guys got problems. I was honestly looking forward to the elf getting raped too but I guess that's not happening huh.. |
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UTJeff316 said: Phantomnocomics said: .....What a fan, Thing is lad, once the anime came out, countless fakes came out as fans, so had to do spot the fakes from the trues through said challenge, but for safe measures, what is the inspiration of the 3 classes of females for goblin slayer, wizard, tank, elf? , since you seem like a hardcore fan, you should know about it. I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean Dungeons and Dragons classes, or the specific classes for each of his party members? Also, what do you mean by classes of females? I recall Goblin Slayer had one class in fighter, one in ranger, and one unidentified class. But I will give you an example how much I know. Goblin Slayer's master is a Rhea who is also called "Burglar," inspired by Bilbo Baggins in the Hobbit. Because he has an old, gnarled and wrinkly face, fans thought he was a goblin or wearing a goblin mask. He's not. He's just an old, ugly and gnarled dude. Not a goblin or wearing a goblin mask. but for curiosity, why would you defend this adaptation, i'm sure you realize how bad the art compared to the original, intention wise?, and how generic the animation are not top tier, not that i expected them to make top animations in the first place, that they made CGI character models instead of cheap digitally manual models For one thing, it's an adaptation. I'm happier we are getting an anime than not having one. The animation isn't the best, but I think it does a pretty good job of getting the ideas across. I think Episode 4 kept in a lot more than I expected for example. Some of the prologue elements were also split up and made the intros for episodes 3 and 4, and I like how they did that. The animation is hit and miss IMHO. I think Goblin Slayer's design, when it's not CG, looks awesome. Some of the action beats look pretty good. I'm aware of the realities a lot of these production companies are under. They are usually on a time crunch and have to rush to get things done on time. I wish they had an unlimited budget to just go balls to the wall and make everything look fantastic, but sacrifices got to be made. Also, I have hope that the final version on Blu-ray release could look better. Maybe not that much better, but it has happened in the past. Additionally, I get giddy seeing a lot of these scenes I read on the page come to life visually. I love the soundtrack for the show. I really want this OST, such as when Goblin Slayer goes on the horde raid in the first episode. We hear a bit of that rock/choral track in episode 4. It's basically Goblin Slayer's theme music. IMHO it's absolutely perfect for the character. and i'm not gonna mention how bad stuff like: how it is an adaptation of adaptation instead of the source material, how the characters and dark themes are fan-serviced instead of being properly dark themes, so how can you by any means of sanity defend this adaptation?. i'm lost? Long story short: defending GS adaptation anime is like defending persona 5 anime It's an adaptation. I don't need it to be perfect. I just need it to be good. Subplots unfortunately have to get cut because they only have 12 episodes. Am I disappointed they only have 12 episodes of material to work with and not 13 or 24 like RE:Zero? Yes, most definitely. But I believe the main pillars and cores of the story of there. Even the manga series cut out a number of subplots and ideas from the light novels that don't get explored. I don't believe it's a matter of sanity. If you are a fan, you are entitled to not like it. Nothing wrong with that. But I'm ecstatic we at least got an anime. There are plenty of other light novel and manga I'm a fan of that haven't even gotten this chance. I'm also a big fan of Arifureta, which White Fox is also doing an anime for next year. There are a lot of things I hope they get down in the story, but there are also things I expect will get cut due to the limitations. I'm also encouraged to know that Kumo Kagyu himself did supervise the anime production of Goblin Slayer. So while there are changes I don't like, all the changes in the series got made with his approval. He went over all the scripts and probably had input himself based on his own words. .....how is this joke stil la real life thing? you can't retcon stuff in an adaptation, it doesn't make sense, ....quite the insanity! |
ToTheSky said: Gave the show a chance, dropped midway through episode 5. The world building is shit, the people are idiots, I don't believe gobs could raid villages for decades and it's common knowledge shown by the receptionist multiple times. Yet hmmm. nvm, they no threat..garbage. The characters are cardboard tropes or just boring. It's building a harem yet trying to be a mature show, garbage. The action is crap. Finding nothing redeemable in this lowest common denominator anime. What a collosal shit hole. All I keep hearing is about the next pieces of graphic content coming up from the community which definitely points towards the edgy exploitation this hunk of crap is focused towards. Berserk TV was awesome. The characters felt real, not just fodder or slutty females with big tits the kids can jerk off too. Highly disappointed. moral of story: it's a fake dark fantasty. true dark fantasty = berserk |
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