Kit said: I am liking the way you are thinking right now Kit!aa-dono said: doesn't that make it suspicious as heck that penta so desparately tried to gather voters? why did he need to beg people to join a train that was already in the lead? ^^It's sort of a vengeful role. How fun. Doesn't clear up anyone in his train if he's vengeful. Except the last one though. Also @DenjaX Shishou baka. Rest in peace. Post another kitty picture A detective kitty one |
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Kit said: It does, but then again that's just speculation.aa-dono said: doesn't that make it suspicious as heck that penta so desparately tried to gather voters? why did he need to beg people to join a train that was already in the lead? ^^It's sort of a vengeful role. How fun. Doesn't clear up anyone in his train if he's vengeful. Except the last one though. Also @DenjaX Shishou baka. Rest in peace. Wouldn't it be funny if my last list was right. I should stop updating reads. |
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| honestly think penta saying denja was "obvious" scum was TMI because it wasn't "obvious" at all I think penta has said he doesn't bus but possible to make an exception for a scum lynch that kills town when it looks like he'd be lynched anyway. Like if it was either denja or one of the other 2 scum ^^ A good way to use your own meta to confuse people as well. |
logic340 said: If you can link me the algorithm again I can give it a shot. I don't trust penta :D@PentaFlare are you going to be around during the night phase? Can we get an updated algorithm I tried but failed :( |
Kit said: Fair enough give me a moment to find it. logic340 said: If you can link me the algorithm again I can give it a shot. I don't trust penta :D@PentaFlare are you going to be around during the night phase? Can we get an updated algorithm I tried but failed :( |
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Updated Vote Counts My first serious vote was on Lam-B and I got a lot of flack for it so I will be looking through those posts for possible buddy protecting or distancing. Penta is not known for bussing but I will still be looking into him hard overnight. Denja voted Qoco D3 which doesn't automatically clear Qoco but makes him look a lot better. Jack is known for bussing if he slipped as scum it's going to be in those interaction with Denja I think? That being said still a strong town read but will be reevaluation again. Denja/Sleipnirr/aa-dono looking like a possible scum team? But there are still other possibilities. Edit: Fixed Shinichi's color D1 made Grapefruit/Sleipnirr, Ruu/AunHumaid/Kit, and Lam-B/DenjaX for ease of reference. |
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logic340 said: Now that I'm thinking about it, penta has said it's more complicated with an actual scum flip but never elaborated on what to do then, even in kitty dead club (just checked) so i'm not sure i could do itKit said: Fair enough give me a moment to find it. If you can link me the algorithm again I can give it a shot. I don't trust penta :D |
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PentaFlare said: @Kit here is the post I will look for the other one as well.Not right now. I don't have the brainpower. You can though if you want. Since we don't have any scum flips, you can simplify it to this: Look at each train. Divide the number of players on that train by the number of players alive during that vote count. Multiply this score by the number of scum you think are in the game (I've been using 3 but it could be 4). This is the score for that train. Divide this score up among each player who isn't confirmed town on that train. Repeat with each train. I usually do it with all the final vote counts, adding together the scores each player got from each day. If you wanted to be super zealous, you could do it with all vote counts. Finally, I just multiplied everything by 100 and rounded to the nearest whole number. No decimals that way. I think that should be everything. |
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@Shinichi-kun If it's not asking too much could you update this with the new information you have? |
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PentaFlare said: @Kit here is the other post on how to do the algorithm grrr said: @pentaflare can you pseudo code the formula for these numbers so i can understand what they mean? Ugh. I guess. Something like this: for each train in vote count
int temp = numtotalvoters / numlivingplayers * 3;
int numsuspects = numtotalvoters - numcomfirmedtownies;
for each suspect on train
score[currentsuspect] += temp / numsuspects;
That's the bulk of the math for the really simple version. You have to do more if there has been a scum flip or if you want to factor in anything that isn't vote distribution. |
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logic340 said: OMG!!!! I didn't even realize it but @Coelestin saved me!? <3<3 sweet Coelestin I hope I did well to mend your broken heart? Wtf? She never does anything to save meee >:[ |
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| my thoughts on the setup Start of D1: 11-3-1 or 10-4-1 Lucian mislynch Start of N1: 10-3-1 or 9-4-1 Purity Night Kill Start of D2: 10-3 or 9-4 No Lynch Start of N2: 10-3 or 8-4 Rosie Night Kill Start of D3: 9-3 or 8-4 Karote mislynch Start of N3: 8-3 or 7-4 Lightning Rod no Night Kill Start of D4: 8-3 or 7-4 Lynch DenjaX Start of N4: 8-2 or 7-3 ???? ???? |
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| Ok... I might have done something wrong because I don't know how to handle some situations. For this, I counted "Not voting" as a train. Denja's vote didn't affect anyone besides me and penta, so our scores may be off. I tried to compensate for the train we shared with him by multiplying by 3 scum there instead of 2 scum. (I used 2 scum for the rest, since we already found 1 scum... I think that's how you go about it?) Since Logic isn't technically confirmed but I think he's town, I did numbers with and without him, and with and without myself. So here's the numbers I got with Grrr, Shin, Logic, and myself counted as town: Pent: 141 Jack: 125 Qoco: 106 Dono: 104 Sleip: 79 Here's my math and the other numbers that don't include me, logic, or both of us: @Logic340 |
| penta said this in kitty dead chat: People who would get extra points for being on confirmed town lynches would be: dono x2, jack x3, penta x2, sleip x1 (and if we count me as town, Qoco x1 as well) I dunno how to add those points in though so /shrug |
Kit said: Thank you for taking the time to do this. Ok... I might have done something wrong because I don't know how to handle some situations. For this, I counted "Not voting" as a train. Denja's vote didn't affect anyone besides me and penta, so our scores may be off. I tried to compensate for the train we shared with him by multiplying by 3 scum there instead of 2 scum. (I used 2 scum for the rest, since we already found 1 scum... I think that's how you go about it?) Since Logic isn't technically confirmed but I think he's town, I did numbers with and without him, and with and without myself. So here's the numbers I got with Grrr, Shin, Logic, and myself counted as town: Pent: 141 Jack: 125 Qoco: 106 Dono: 104 Sleip: 79 Here's my math and the other numbers that don't include me, logic, or both of us: @Logic340 @PentaFlare I would still like to see your version for comparison. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Depending on how each person looks at a player there is prob a common ground when it comes to their alignment. 1. Logic340 | Logic340 Behavioraly he is both | Both emotionally he is scum | Both Actions he is town | Town Claim Jack of all Trades 2. Sleipnirr Behaviorally he both Emotionally he is town Actions he is town __________ His still catching up so its hard to judge but for now i still think hes town but that depends on what he does once he finally catches up to the thread. 4. Ruu | Kit Behaviorally she is scum | Looking more like town lately Emotionally she is town | Emotionally i say both Actions she is scum | Actions She is Town Claim=Miller which can be a scum claim 5. Aa-dono Behaviorally she is both | She is scum Emotionally she is town | She is Town Actions she is scummy | She is scum no claim 8. Jackrito | Jackrito Behaviorially he is both | He is town Emotionally he is scum | He is both Actions he is town | He is Town No role 9. Grrr Behaviorially he is scummy | This will never change lol Emotionally he is town | Town Actions he is both | Scum Role claim=nurse he is town unless there is a scum aligned doctor 12. Penta | Penta Behaviorally he is town | He is scum Emotionally he is town | Town Actions he could be both | Both Ik his role 15. Qoco | Qoco Behaviorally he is both | Scum Emotionally he is town | Town Actions he is both | Both Claimed the role whos name i forgot but can pretty much remove himself from the game during the night Red=scummy Green=Town Orange=can be viewed as both | Seperates from the 1st half to the 2nd half of the read I think penta and denja could be S v S @logic340 |
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logic340 said: my thoughts on the setup Start of D1: 11-3-1 or 10-4-1 Lucian mislynch Start of N1: 10-3-1 or 9-4-1 Purity Night Kill Start of D2: 10-3 or 9-4 No Lynch Start of N2: 10-3 or 8-4 Rosie Night Kill Start of D3: 9-3 or 8-4 Karote mislynch Start of N3: 8-3 or 7-4 Lightning Rod no Night Kill Start of D4: 8-3 or 7-4 Lynch DenjaX Start of N4: 8-2 or 7-3 ???? ???? cant N4 also be 7-2? since we lost chione |
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Sorry about that fixed it. Start of D1: 11-3-1 or 10-4-1 Lucian mislynch Start of N1: 10-3-1 or 9-4-1 Purity Night Kill Start of D2: 10-3 or 9-4 No Lynch Start of N2: 10-3 or 8-4 Rosie Night Kill Start of D3: 9-3 or 8-4 Karote mislynch Start of N3: 8-3 or 7-4 Lightning Rod no Night Kill Start of D4: 8-3 or 7-4 Lynch DenjaX SS Kill Coelestin Start of N4: 7-2 or 6-3 ???? ???? |
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| @logic340 prob not lol but i am looking at the final vc now to see who could be connected |
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| Day 4 final Vote for Denja Jackrito: DenjaX this pretty much makes jack confirmed town i doubt he would put his 1 vote on a scum buddy thats way to risky |
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| Vote count 1 Final Lucian Train LucianRoy: Aa-dono, Coelestin, Logic340, Jackrito, Pentaflare this is how i see the train now all i know for sure is atleast 1 person on this train is scum at this point |
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| Vote Count 3 Final Karote Train Karote: Jackrito, aa-dono, PentaFlare, Coelestin, Logic340 Same people as the first big train |
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logic340 said: You will never trust me again will you? LMAO... Edit: Also I have more than soft claimed at this point in case you missed it I am JoAT oh ya whoops i forgot about that LOL |
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logic340 said: @PentaFlare are you going to be around during the night phase? Can we get an updated algorithm I tried but failed :( Tomorrow. It's late. |
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Kit said: i wish i could vote penta again right now for trying to get townies onto denja's train................ >_> You want to play the meta game with your read on me? Here's some food for thought: Pushed really hard for a lynch against Claire on D1 in Shounen Crossover. She flipped scum. Stardust Crusaders Mafia. Had to push really hard to gather enough votes to pass the majority threshold needed for the lynch despite a lot of people suspecting me for trying so hard to get a lynch on Day 1. Corpse Party. Started a train on Shinichi near the end of the phase and pushed super hard to get him lynched instead of the other leading trains. He was then uninformed scum. Pirate Mafia. Big push on aa-dono on D2 which got ended when the hosts accidentally sent me a results PM that wasn't mine and had to be repped out. She was mafia. What's the common factor in all of these games beside really hard pushed to get people lynched? I was town in all of them. Sometimes, I'm just really confident in my reads. Denja was just that scummy. You need to stop seeing everything I do as scummy. Everything I have done can be explained from a town mindset because it was all done by a townie. |
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Kit said: logic340 said: If you can link me the algorithm again I can give it a shot. I don't trust penta :D@PentaFlare are you going to be around during the night phase? Can we get an updated algorithm I tried but failed :( That one won't work anymore now that we have a scum flip. Needs the more complicated one. |
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Kit said: logic340 said: Now that I'm thinking about it, penta has said it's more complicated with an actual scum flip but never elaborated on what to do then, even in kitty dead club (just checked) so i'm not sure i could do itFair enough give me a moment to find it. Ding ding ding. We have a winner! |
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*feelsdamngoodman* Coelestin said: Logic is reacting way too harshly to Lamby's posts. Like waaaaaaay to harshly. Lamby actually makes some good points if you read along the lines and not just use confirmation bias. Vote: Logic340 @logic340 Please don't let me down. What are your other suspicions? I didn't let you down Chi darling I was catching scum!! *Patsownback* |
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PentaFlare said: It's not that you pushed the lynch hard. It's that he had a power to kill the last voter, and you urged people to vote after you despite him being in the lead already from your voteKit said: i wish i could vote penta again right now for trying to get townies onto denja's train................ >_> You want to play the meta game with your read on me? Here's some food for thought: Pushed really hard for a lynch against Claire on D1 in Shounen Crossover. She flipped scum. Stardust Crusaders Mafia. Had to push really hard to gather enough votes to pass the majority threshold needed for the lynch despite a lot of people suspecting me for trying so hard to get a lynch on Day 1. Corpse Party. Started a train on Shinichi near the end of the phase and pushed super hard to get him lynched instead of the other leading trains. He was then uninformed scum. Pirate Mafia. Big push on aa-dono on D2 which got ended when the hosts accidentally sent me a results PM that wasn't mine and had to be repped out. She was mafia. What's the common factor in all of these games beside really hard pushed to get people lynched? I was town in all of them. Sometimes, I'm just really confident in my reads. Denja was just that scummy. You need to stop seeing everything I do as scummy. Everything I have done can be explained from a town mindset because it was all done by a townie. |
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Kit said: PentaFlare said: It's not that you pushed the lynch hard. It's that he had a power to kill the last voter, and you urged people to vote after you despite him being in the lead already from your voteYou want to play the meta game with your read on me? Here's some food for thought: Pushed really hard for a lynch against Claire on D1 in Shounen Crossover. She flipped scum. Stardust Crusaders Mafia. Had to push really hard to gather enough votes to pass the majority threshold needed for the lynch despite a lot of people suspecting me for trying so hard to get a lynch on Day 1. Corpse Party. Started a train on Shinichi near the end of the phase and pushed super hard to get him lynched instead of the other leading trains. He was then uninformed scum. Pirate Mafia. Big push on aa-dono on D2 which got ended when the hosts accidentally sent me a results PM that wasn't mine and had to be repped out. She was mafia. What's the common factor in all of these games beside really hard pushed to get people lynched? I was town in all of them. Sometimes, I'm just really confident in my reads. Denja was just that scummy. You need to stop seeing everything I do as scummy. Everything I have done can be explained from a town mindset because it was all done by a townie. But there weren't enough people to make it a comfortable lead. If you look at the end of Day 2, you will clearly see that a one person lead can mess up big time. I did not want to see a round switch to someone else when Denja was so clearly scum. The different ways people responded was often quite telling. aa-dono will almost certainly be my first vote next phase. |
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PentaFlare said: How many RVS votes are we allowed to make though? I think you made 3 this game iirc.Shinichi-Kun said: I dont see ur point here lol i didnt know that was chione ether till i checked her profile a couple of days ago. Vote:penta Confirmed scum for jumping onto an easy rvs Do I need to have a legitimate point for my RVS vote? You are asking too much if you want me to have scumreads after a few posts. |
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I don't recall seeing a claim from aa-dono, Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, or Jackrito. I suspect those with blank roles the most. But then there's also their interactions, or lack thereof, on top of no claims. It's hard to pick someone that you miss often on the thread, over someone that has had your attention through-out the game. I'm going with Jackrito and Penta. It could change later with the receiving of new (to me at least) information. |
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Qoco said: I don't recall seeing a claim from aa-dono, Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, or Jackrito. I suspect those with blank roles the most. But then there's also their interactions, or lack thereof, on top of no claims. It's hard to pick someone that you miss often on the thread, over someone that has had your attention through-out the game. I'm going with Jackrito and Penta. It could change later with the receiving of new (to me at least) information. Though Shinichi told me to not pick on Jackrito. He might know something that I don't. I dunno. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: How many RVS votes are we allowed to make though? I think you made 3 this game iirc.Do I need to have a legitimate point for my RVS vote? You are asking too much if you want me to have scumreads after a few posts. Probably isn't the most I've made tbh. I don't recall making three though. Ruu wasn't exactly RVS because I was purposely trying to make a train. However, I didn't suspect them, so there was no reason in that sense. |
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PentaFlare said: My bad it was only 2 me and Ruulogic340 said: How many RVS votes are we allowed to make though? I think you made 3 this game iirc. Probably isn't the most I've made tbh. I don't recall making three though. Ruu wasn't exactly RVS because I was purposely trying to make a train. However, I didn't suspect them, so there was no reason in that sense. |
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| @Sleipnirr I would really like to hear from you. Grapefruit looks even worse due to the flip so if you're not scum it's time to start showing it. @Shinichi-kun I don't take Sleipnirr's long catch up as town motivated. I actually see it as him BSing us as scum. In the first game I played with him he subbed in late and without back reading was able to figure out Penta was scum after he had pocketed everyone. Now I am not putting the burden of prophecy on him but he could share some thoughts. Last time he posted he said he was around page 40 I believe that is more than enough to give some thoughts like kit. Also I will not take Denja's push for a Modkill as evidence of his innocence as by the time Denja started proposing that he had met the minimum for this phase. |
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| I don't really agree with these results at all but math is math. If ai I wasn't being asked, I probably wouldn't or this and just stick to PoE. logic: 146pts Jack: 146pts Qoco: 141pts Dono: 131pts grrr: 113pts Sleip: 101pts Kit: 64pts Shinichi: 41pts |
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PentaFlare said: Kit said: i wish i could vote penta again right now for trying to get townies onto denja's train................ >_> You want to play the meta game with your read on me? Here's some food for thought: Pushed really hard for a lynch against Claire on D1 in Shounen Crossover. She flipped scum. Stardust Crusaders Mafia. Had to push really hard to gather enough votes to pass the majority threshold needed for the lynch despite a lot of people suspecting me for trying so hard to get a lynch on Day 1. Corpse Party. Started a train on Shinichi near the end of the phase and pushed super hard to get him lynched instead of the other leading trains. He was then uninformed scum. Pirate Mafia. Big push on aa-dono on D2 which got ended when the hosts accidentally sent me a results PM that wasn't mine and had to be repped out. She was mafia. What's the common factor in all of these games beside really hard pushed to get people lynched? I was town in all of them. Sometimes, I'm just really confident in my reads. Denja was just that scummy. You need to stop seeing everything I do as scummy. Everything I have done can be explained from a town mindset because it was all done by a townie. Not to be a debbie downer, but what does any of this have to do with the specific train of this game? Though i doubt kits reasoning because unless your actually scum no one would have predicted that ability i for have never seen that role lol. Only thing i do know is u always push ur votes really hard. Im just waiting to hear more about your role before i make a decision. Also wanna see who dies at night i would assume it be either logic or grrr. |
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Qoco said: Qoco said: I don't recall seeing a claim from aa-dono, Grapefruit21, PentaFlare, or Jackrito. I suspect those with blank roles the most. But then there's also their interactions, or lack thereof, on top of no claims. It's hard to pick someone that you miss often on the thread, over someone that has had your attention through-out the game. I'm going with Jackrito and Penta. It could change later with the receiving of new (to me at least) information. Though Shinichi told me to not pick on Jackrito. He might know something that I don't. I dunno. Meow :D |
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