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Apr 16, 2017 11:01 AM

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logic340 said:
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How was I responsible again?
@RE1031 what is the benefit of a no lynch for Zombies or Cult Leader D1? Now you could argue that Astros voting no lynch had no baring on the outcome so he could still go no lynch and mix in but people who wanted no lynch are more town to me due to the setup.

Astros said that town fears mislynch more than scum. I said, easy for someone who voted no lynch to say. The benefit is apparently going for no lynch clears you. Clearly if only 2 players out of 16 wanted a no lynch and acted upon it, then I would say that town doesn't fear mislynch that much.

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Alrighty, gonna leave a little code to confirm something later, pay it no mind, I will bring it up when it becomes relevant.

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Uhh... Why do I get the feeling this will be relevant when the game ends and you flip scum.
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My perspective on grrr:
He is more useful to town when he is the mafia, see Kitty Mafia, where many felt he was being very helpful to town in contrast to how he normally plays. This may be a slight tell for him as he tries a little harder to survive as scum while still playing outrageous.

Known town at game start:
Logic - Crier
Yurkin - Sleepwalker
Ruu - Pathologist
RE1031 - Priest
Oyasumi_Rosie - Psychic

If we believe claims:
Kit
Sleipnirr

That leaves
PentaFlare - Is not part of the Cult according to RE
Doughkey
CorruptedPurity
reiynii
grrr
Astros
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Apr 16, 2017 11:04 AM

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PentaFlare said:
Grrr can't be scum. By fakeclaiming in that way, he brought suspicion upon himself. As a cult leader, this could very easily ruin his entire faction.
Um, I also fake claimed at one point so how is that situation not the same? If anything, me claiming something and saying I won't be here until phase change or whatever happened that day make me even more suspicious.

As a zombie, it makes no sense because Qoco tried super hard to get grrr lynched. That's not the kind of thing you see with scum bussing. That would be downright stupid play, and Qoco is not stupid. Scum rarely run a crusade against their own kind.
And so me and Qoco being zombies together decided to join arms to destroy our biggest threat?
I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm making myself a "victim" but your reasoning for suspecting me and going as far as to say "Grrr can't be scum." makes absolutely no sense. I just want you to make a better case on me or something D':
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@logic340 if we believe everything kit said howmany mafia do we have left? If we can corralate with the number of unchecked players left we can drastically incrase our chances of lynching scum this phase.
Apr 16, 2017 11:21 AM

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Sleipnirr said:
@logic340 if we believe everything kit said howmany mafia do we have left? If we can corralate with the number of unchecked players left we can drastically incrase our chances of lynching scum this phase.
If Zombie and Cult both visited Kit night 1 then there is Cult Leader and 2 Zombies D2. Day 3 lets assume that the zombies infected someone and cult got a member, plus 3 town deaths. On to day 4 RE was infected last night, one zombie died, one converted (?), cult converted someone
D2: 13t, 2z, 1c or 12, 2, 2
D3: 8t, 2z, 2c or 7t, 2z, 3c
D4: 6t, 2z, 3c or 5t, 2z, 4c
I think this is how things break down right now?


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Apr 16, 2017 11:28 AM

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Doughkey said:
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And here I was hoping I could get grrr lynched without making it too obvious I was priest TTwTT


Okay so who do you think would want Kit?


The phrasing of that question makes me chuckle. But, uh, I am not the best player to ask that question, I have never been in a game with Kit outside live mafia, so I don't know other players connections to her. Immediately I want to say Rosie but that would be impossible with her claim.

Lets talk the benefits of her conversion: if someone wants to believe in traceable conversions, she is a wild card. She could also be difficult to lynch because she has individual outrages for every vote. The only players I could see trying to convert her Day 1 are very active players who could hold up their faction and use Kit as a number. But that would also be a ballsy move so the only players I could see going for it are Astros and I.

Acknowledged.

Stealing from logic:
That leaves
PentaFlare - Is not part of the Cult according to RE
Doughkey
CorruptedPurity - probably has been converted, I'm sorry
reiynii - Kind of betting he's not a zombie since that would make 2/3 zombies on a single train
grrr - Betting that he's not a zombie cause Qoco bussed him really hard
Astros - I townread because of posts like #2323; although the whole thing with logic day 2 (???) was weird

Question: Would cult leader want to kill priest via lynch? Basically could reiynii be cult leader?
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Apr 16, 2017 11:41 AM

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It's kind of difficult (in a technical sense) to respond to your quote stripes >_<

1. RE1 is wrong, and made that theory based on insufficient information of my role.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1604888&show=2150#msg50360334

2. This was a point as to why CP would convert me, not fluff=scum

3. A reason that other's disagree with, clearly. How do you know this isn't TMI?

4. You can't just say "town does scummy behavior so you can't use scummy behavior as a reason to think someone is scum" I mean they both do it, but you need to look at everything else along with the votes. Logic is a moot point since he's confirmed town.

5. This wasn't facts this was a header for my next few points

6. Yeah, RE said this too, and I agree

7. The "plan", which was revealed to apparently be fake, was only against zombies, somehow utilizing my power.
I can't be cleared by Rosie, as she could be converted at any moment. tbh if cult wanna screw me over, all they have to do is tell rosie to check me, convert her that night, and then have her say a guilty result for me.

8. I'm not sure what you're saying here...
Their D1 claim status doesn't matter, I'm trying to figure out who the originals are today, with the information I know. Logic and Rosie can't have been original scum.
If what's true? Why would I be more likely to fake claim? Um.. you mean if I'm universally town read usually? I can't tell you how I'd play in forum but in live mafia as scum I was too scared to claim anything at all... Does this point have anything to do for or against CP?

9. I've considered him multiple times in the past dude... RE1 is the one who said she was infected Night 3. That means the Night 1/odd night zombie is still alive, and Qoco is the even night zombie who did not infect me. If Qoco was the odd night zombie, RE1 would not have been visited last night...
Come to think of it, if there was a new infection night 2 and so a new zombie on night 3, it's possible zombie 3 visted RE1 and not zombie 1, If zombies convert at the beginning of the night instead of at the end of the night. I think aa-dono has been secretive about what circumstance is true though, so I can't say for certain that happened.
It would be helpful if, say, we lynch the cult leader today so I don't have to use my anti-cult power so i can check the zombies and see which case is true

10. They seem more carefree lol

11. I didn't read half of D2 so I'll believe you there lol.. but Doki still mildly pushes me or says stuff like "remember her wincon is anti town/kit is lying but we can deal with her later :)" ... shit talking me but saving me at the same time sounds like a zombie who wants to discredit my results but wants to keep me alive for the infection count.
Why would distancing be restricted to one day phase? I honestly don't know how scum tactics work so idk if that makes sense. I'm taking all phases into consideration tho.

I'm not telling people to lynch me. If you hadn't noticed, it's day 4, and I'm using previous behaviors to read people, including/especially behaviors related to me. Making a case doesn't mean I want people to change their behavior, it means I think they're suspicious for the behavior they have already been showing.

Often times, scum trust me the most, and town trust me the least. So at this point it's partially intuition. Do you remember Tis the Season? You didn't believe my claim, but Jack and Mishu quite easily did, with almost no explanation. I said this made you town, and made Jack and Mishu seem suspicious to me at the time. Guess who was scum? Jack and Mishu (and shap) ....

You weren't there, but again in Haruhi, Penta believed my claim when others didn't (and he pocketed me with that). Penta was scum.










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Apr 16, 2017 11:42 AM

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RE1031 said:
Acknowledged.

Stealing from logic:
That leaves
PentaFlare - Is not part of the Cult according to RE
Doughkey
CorruptedPurity - probably has been converted, I'm sorry
reiynii - Kind of betting he's not a zombie since that would make 2/3 zombies on a single train
grrr - Betting that he's not a zombie cause Qoco bussed him really hard
Astros - I townread because of posts like #2323; although the whole thing with logic day 2 (???) was weird

Question: Would cult leader want to kill priest via lynch? Basically could reiynii be cult leader?
Day 2?
Apr 16, 2017 11:43 AM

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RE1031 said:
Doughkey said:


The phrasing of that question makes me chuckle. But, uh, I am not the best player to ask that question, I have never been in a game with Kit outside live mafia, so I don't know other players connections to her. Immediately I want to say Rosie but that would be impossible with her claim.

Lets talk the benefits of her conversion: if someone wants to believe in traceable conversions, she is a wild card. She could also be difficult to lynch because she has individual outrages for every vote. The only players I could see trying to convert her Day 1 are very active players who could hold up their faction and use Kit as a number. But that would also be a ballsy move so the only players I could see going for it are Astros and I.

Acknowledged.

Stealing from logic:
That leaves
PentaFlare - Is not part of the Cult according to RE
Doughkey
CorruptedPurity - probably has been converted, I'm sorry
reiynii - Kind of betting he's not a zombie since that would make 2/3 zombies on a single train
grrr - Betting that he's not a zombie cause Qoco bussed him really hard
Astros - I townread because of posts like #2323; although the whole thing with logic day 2 (???) was weird

Question: Would cult leader want to kill priest via lynch? Basically could reiynii be cult leader?
Only way I see reiynii cult leader is if he really believed he was lynching scum in grrr. Cult leader needs to lynch mafia more than town imo.
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Apr 16, 2017 11:44 AM

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logic340 said:
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Damn that's my dream job!


I'm a little worried about the whole Kit thing to be honest. I don't doubt she has anti-zombie abilities, but what's stopping her from being cult? Maybe she's not a super-powered villager but a super-powered cult member. She neglected to mention in the beginning that she has anti-cult powers, only that she has immunity to cult. If she's part of the cult, then naturally she'll know what's the cult been up to.
The only thing stopping me from not believing Rosie (and her claim that Sleipnirr is innocent) is that the back up roleblocker appears to not be in play yet.
The claim about Sleipnirr actually makes me believe Rosie more. It's risky to pick Sleipnirr due to his activity and the way players feel about not being able to trust her at this point. So why wouldn't she pick someone that is more town read by everyone that would be more acceptable in grrr.
I'm sure she would use RNG for her target even if it was a fake claim.. lol










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Astros said:
RE1031 said:
Acknowledged.

Stealing from logic:
That leaves
PentaFlare - Is not part of the Cult according to RE
Doughkey
CorruptedPurity - probably has been converted, I'm sorry
reiynii - Kind of betting he's not a zombie since that would make 2/3 zombies on a single train
grrr - Betting that he's not a zombie cause Qoco bussed him really hard
Astros - I townread because of posts like #2323; although the whole thing with logic day 2 (???) was weird

Question: Would cult leader want to kill priest via lynch? Basically could reiynii be cult leader?
Day 2?

It might have been day 3, I can't remember, but you were doing that whole fencing thing with logic even though he was confirmed town.
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logic340 said:
RE1031 said:

Acknowledged.

Stealing from logic:
That leaves
PentaFlare - Is not part of the Cult according to RE
Doughkey
CorruptedPurity - probably has been converted, I'm sorry
reiynii - Kind of betting he's not a zombie since that would make 2/3 zombies on a single train
grrr - Betting that he's not a zombie cause Qoco bussed him really hard
Astros - I townread because of posts like #2323; although the whole thing with logic day 2 (???) was weird

Question: Would cult leader want to kill priest via lynch? Basically could reiynii be cult leader?
Only way I see reiynii cult leader is if he really believed he was lynching scum in grrr. Cult leader needs to lynch mafia more than town imo.


Are you telling me we have zombies, cultists, space zombies, space cultists, an insider, town AND a mafia? We're gonna have more factions than players soon.
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I would like to know of the remaining player who do you think could be Original Zombie or Cult Leader. Whatever method you chose I would just like to hear everyones take if possible:
Possible Cult Leader
Purity - Voted Qoco D2 likely not aligned as he doesn't bus.
grrr - He's certainly not an Original Zombie with Qoco D1
Doki - He could be a Qoco's partner as he never voted there and focused more on Shinichi and Kit.
Astros - Playing townie is the way I would expect cult leader to do things
reiynii - Voted with Qoco on grrr D1 not really something I expect from Cult Leader but if he though grrr was actually scum it makes sense.

Possible Original Zombie
Penta - He's not Cult Leader according to RE
Astros - His day 1 is kind of what I would expect from a Original Zombie
Doki - Could be considering he was cool with lynching Ruu D1

Doki and Astros look like the best lynch options for today imo. reiynii I feel was probably town at one point due to anti-town behavior that would probably work against his win condition.
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Doughkey said:
Are you telling me we have zombies, cultists, space zombies, space cultists, an insider, town AND a mafia? We're gonna have more factions than players soon.
Reiynii's harem is a faction too. Watch out.
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Kit said:
logic340 said:
The claim about Sleipnirr actually makes me believe Rosie more. It's risky to pick Sleipnirr due to his activity and the way players feel about not being able to trust her at this point. So why wouldn't she pick someone that is more town read by everyone that would be more acceptable in grrr.
I'm sure she would use RNG for her target even if it was a fake claim.. lol
I guess that is possible as well but did she say she used RNG for this one as well?

Doughkey said:
logic340 said:
Only way I see reiynii cult leader is if he really believed he was lynching scum in grrr. Cult leader needs to lynch mafia more than town imo.


Are you telling me we have zombies, cultists, space zombies, space cultists, an insider, town AND a mafia? We're gonna have more factions than players soon.
Sorry I meant Zombies...lol. Not sure what to make of the space cult and space zombies.
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reiynii said:
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You're not getting the point. reiynii said they thought it was impossible for grrr to be town and that because I'm town reading RE for being unwilling to accept grrr's claim as possible truth I should townread them too. This is totally wrong. If someone who doesn't have information disproving grrr, like reiynii didn't, refuses to listen to arguments from the other side (you were willing to listen to what we had to say), then it is scummy. It's not the same as your approach because although you thought he was probably lying, you considered the possibility he might not because you were trying to sort everyone instead of arbitrarily deciding who was scum and who wasn't.
Bolded part: Wait, so because I didn't want to take into consideration meta reads from players other than myself that makes me scummy? If I did that, wouldn't that have made me a sheep?
I'm so confused right now...

Why weren't you willing to consider grrr being town as a thought? You had no way of knowing he wasn't town.
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logic340 said:
Kit said:
I'm sure she would use RNG for her target even if it was a fake claim.. lol
I guess that is possible as well but did she say she used RNG for this one as well?

She said in #2413 she used RNG but took out you and Kit from the mix.
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Apr 16, 2017 12:15 PM

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logic340 said:
Doki - He could be a Qoco's partner as he never voted there and focused more on Shinichi and Kit.
Qoco's partner and CL?
Apr 16, 2017 12:19 PM

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Grrr can't be scum. By fakeclaiming in that way, he brought suspicion upon himself. As a cult leader, this could very easily ruin his entire faction.
Um, I also fake claimed at one point so how is that situation not the same? If anything, me claiming something and saying I won't be here until phase change or whatever happened that day make me even more suspicious.

As a zombie, it makes no sense because Qoco tried super hard to get grrr lynched. That's not the kind of thing you see with scum bussing. That would be downright stupid play, and Qoco is not stupid. Scum rarely run a crusade against their own kind.
And so me and Qoco being zombies together decided to join arms to destroy our biggest threat?
I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm making myself a "victim" but your reasoning for suspecting me and going as far as to say "Grrr can't be scum." makes absolutely no sense. I just want you to make a better case on me or something D':

Your claim was nothing like grrr's. You claimed to Dodge a bullet around lynch time. grrr claimed with no pressure to do so. Yours is super shifty.

I can understand your frustration in getting lynched by PoE, but there is next to nothing that makes you townie whereas everyone else has at least a little going for them. You don't need to do anything super scummy to be the scummiest player if everyone else is more townie than you.
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@logic340 someone might have pointed this out but there is a possibility that Cp could be a new zombie.

Also I think with all the back and forth, Doki is gonna be the one most people agree with

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This game is so confusing because I don't know who to believe anymore o<-<
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PentaFlare said:
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Um, I also fake claimed at one point so how is that situation not the same? If anything, me claiming something and saying I won't be here until phase change or whatever happened that day make me even more suspicious.

And so me and Qoco being zombies together decided to join arms to destroy our biggest threat?
I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm making myself a "victim" but your reasoning for suspecting me and going as far as to say "Grrr can't be scum." makes absolutely no sense. I just want you to make a better case on me or something D':

Your claim was nothing like grrr's. You claimed to Dodge a bullet around lynch time. grrr claimed with no pressure to do so. Yours is super shifty.

I can understand your frustration in getting lynched by PoE, but there is next to nothing that makes you townie whereas everyone else has at least a little going for them. You don't need to do anything super scummy to be the scummiest player if everyone else is more townie than you.

I'm pretty sure reiynii claimed as a means to check Rosie, or protect her? Not really sure - #1244. Unless he claimed earlier than this, I don't think he claimed to dodge a bullet.
edit: Despite what it seems, I am not trying to defend reiynii completely.. I'm torn between lynching him and Doki. I just need a really good reason to switch from Doki to reiynii. The thing with grrr is not good enough for me because I've done that before and taken a leap of faith in not believing PR claims.
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PentaFlare said:
Why weren't you willing to consider grrr being town as a thought? You had no way of knowing he wasn't town.
What are you talking about? #566 is one of the posts where I do acknowledge Grrr as a possible townie, but since he wouldn't answer any questions regarding his claim or his reasoning for it, I said we should lynch him nonetheless.
This only proves that your vote on me is based solely on my limited inactivity ;-;

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Your claim was nothing like grrr's. You claimed to Dodge a bullet around lynch time. grrr claimed with no pressure to do so. Yours is super shifty.
#1244 how is this considered dodging a bullet of any sort? I was literally never voted or asked any questions before I claimed. The reason I claimed is so that if anti-town factions wanted to convert someone who was a power role but also a somewhat useless player, they would attack me since compared to Rosie, my "powers" weren't as essential to town.
I did it for Logic because my beloved soon to be husband number 6 Logic wanted someone to protect Rosie.
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Reiynii is most likely a converted zombie or cult leader I think

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PentaFlare said:

Your claim was nothing like grrr's. You claimed to Dodge a bullet around lynch time. grrr claimed with no pressure to do so. Yours is super shifty.

I can understand your frustration in getting lynched by PoE, but there is next to nothing that makes you townie whereas everyone else has at least a little going for them. You don't need to do anything super scummy to be the scummiest player if everyone else is more townie than you.

I'm pretty sure reiynii claimed as a means to check Rosie, or protect her? Not really sure - #1244. Unless he claimed earlier than this, I don't think he claimed to dodge a bullet.
edit: Despite what it seems, I am not trying to defend reiynii completely.. I'm torn between lynching him and Doki. I just need a really good reason to switch from Doki to reiynii. The thing with grrr is not good enough for me because I've done that before and taken a leap of faith in not believing PR claims.

reiynii didn't claim under pressure, but their name was being thrown around and they weren't going to be there to defend themselves much for the rest of the phase. It was the kind of claim that would make people avoid them as a possible lynch target.
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reiynii said:
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Why weren't you willing to consider grrr being town as a thought? You had no way of knowing he wasn't town.
What are you talking about? #566 is one of the posts where I do acknowledge Grrr as a possible townie, but since he wouldn't answer any questions regarding his claim or his reasoning for it, I said we should lynch him nonetheless.
This only proves that your vote on me is based solely on my limited inactivity ;-;

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Your claim was nothing like grrr's. You claimed to Dodge a bullet around lynch time. grrr claimed with no pressure to do so. Yours is super shifty.
#1244 how is this considered dodging a bullet of any sort? I was literally never voted or asked any questions before I claimed. The reason I claimed is so that if anti-town factions wanted to convert someone who was a power role but also a somewhat useless player, they would attack me since compared to Rosie, my "powers" weren't as essential to town.
I did it for Logic because my beloved soon to be husband number 6 Logic wanted someone to protect Rosie.

No. You were the one who said you didn't consider grrr possibly telling the truth when you tried to compare your situation to RE's. I took your word for it, so don't blame me for not double-checking things you yourself said.

Also, your claim definitely helped dodge a bullet. It wasn't a super suspicious claim because it wasn't only under pressure, but it isn't meriting a townread. It could come from either side.
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No. You were the one who said you didn't consider grrr possibly telling the truth when you tried to compare your situation to RE's. I took your word for it, so don't blame me for not double-checking things you yourself said.

Also, your claim definitely helped dodge a bullet. It wasn't a super suspicious claim because it wasn't only under pressure, but it isn't meriting a townread. It could come from either side.
Oh please, that's just too weak now. I was mentioning the general situation of what my thought process of voting Grrr was. You said "Grrr is not scum." at one point so how would you know that? As a townie, you shouldn't know other people's alignment unless you're a certain power role. See? Taking what someone says literally is very weak argument >.>

So- I'm dodging a bullet that might have potentially been heading my way when almost every player was alive and I could've gone by without really saying anything because nobody really was questioning me nor voting for me but just "talking" about me because I am part of this game yet at the same time directing said bullet more towards myself for the future.. You must think I'm the worst mafia player out there lol
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It's not hard. Simply cut your quotations out and CP the quote message # near my responses. End it with a .[/quote] and type your own response. Honestly your way of doing it was more cumbersome.

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1. RE1 is wrong, and made that theory based on insufficient information of my role.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1604888&show=2150#msg50360334
Yes, but you didn't show suspicion about it or jump to the conclusion of TMI. It didn't need to be two zombies that visited you, it could have only been one. My main point was it seemed like a snap conclusion more than actual evidence that they were cult.

Thanks for the link. They seemed to believe in it for the same reasons other have which doesn't make them more suspicious than them, but could be a tell sign. I'd figure them for more independent thought, but maybe they reached the same conclusion? @CorruptedPurity

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2. This was a point as to why CP would convert me, not fluff=scum
Your role, if real, is important to towns survival. My point was I don't see how the fluff is distinguished from any other fluff.

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3. A reason that other's disagree with, clearly. How do you know this isn't TMI?
I think it was more your claim they disagreed with. I skimmed D2 EoD to see who disagreed with the reason, but didn't see anyone for a few pages. If later they did then I missed it.

I don't, but how is one suppose to gauge if it is if there's no telling signs?

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4. You can't just say "town does scummy behavior so you can't use scummy behavior as a reason to think someone is scum" I mean they both do it, but you need to look at everything else along with the votes. Logic is a moot point since he's confirmed town.
That wasn't my intention, I was more trying to say that the behavior could be a sign of either town or scum and that there wasn't much differentiating them.

Well you didn't give reasons or acts along with their votes that painted them scummy. I honestly haven't been analyzing the votes for the game. D1 and D3 are both pretty moot in that regard and D2 EoD was filled with panic and snap decisions. Many would be suspicious from it for voting up Shinichi.

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5. This wasn't facts this was a header for my next few points
Okay.

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6. Yeah, RE said this too, and I agree
Right.

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7. The "plan", which was revealed to apparently be fake, was only against zombies, somehow utilizing my power.
I can't be cleared by Rosie, as she could be converted at any moment. tbh if cult wanna screw me over, all they have to do is tell rosie to check me, convert her that night, and then have her say a guilty result for me.
Where was it revealed to be fake? I thought CP dropped discussion on it out of fear mafia would catch on and convert them. Fair point. Do you think you're a high priority target for Cult? I think someone asked about this before. It would seem from checking Sleip that they were town/infected yesterday.

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8. I'm not sure what you're saying here...
Their D1 claim status doesn't matter, I'm trying to figure out who the originals are today, with the information I know. Logic and Rosie can't have been original scum.
If what's true? Why would I be more likely to fake claim? Um.. you mean if I'm universally town read usually? I can't tell you how I'd play in forum but in live mafia as scum I was too scared to claim anything at all... Does this point have anything to do for or against CP?
I didn't see how their late game confirmations would factor into CP choosing you N1. Assuming it was method of elimination? Since they're town after N1 it had to be you?

No, it doesn't. I just didn't know you were town read usually which could have factored into your claim. Live mafia is a different beast to forum mafia. To claim I'd imagine you have to have a confident tone and cool head under pressure.

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9. I've considered him multiple times in the past dude... RE1 is the one who said she was infected Night 3. That means the Night 1/odd night zombie is still alive, and Qoco is the even night zombie who did not infect me. If Qoco was the odd night zombie, RE1 would not have been visited last night...
But what makes him the even night zombie? We never learned who he infected and he was an OZ.

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10. They seem more carefree lol
I could believe that except for Sleip who seems more tactical. Doughkey I believe spoke of how he knew his own meta and Sleip mentioned theories. They appear to not be the type to act on emotion alone, but they haven't posted much.

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11. I didn't read half of D2 so I'll believe you there lol.. but Doki still mildly pushes me or says stuff like "remember her wincon is anti town/kit is lying but we can deal with her later :)" ... shit talking me but saving me at the same time sounds like a zombie who wants to discredit my results but wants to keep me alive for the infection count.
My case only propped up EoD for D2 and was ignored in the face of the claim's abilities. Who would lynch you though? As I said, your claim makes you almost neigh un-lynchable.

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Why would distancing be restricted to one day phase? I honestly don't know how scum tactics work so idk if that makes sense. I'm taking all phases into consideration tho.
My point was why wait for D4 to do any distancing if D3 didn't shorten the distance.

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I'm not telling people to lynch me. If you hadn't noticed, it's day 4, and I'm using previous behaviors to read people, including/especially behaviors related to me. Making a case doesn't mean I want people to change their behavior, it means I think they're suspicious for the behavior they have already been showing.
That seems like a weak reason for suspicion. Diverting your vote that is. Especially after I've mentioned why I turned my focus away.

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Often times, scum trust me the most, and town trust me the least. So at this point it's partially intuition. Do you remember Tis the Season? You didn't believe my claim, but Jack and Mishu quite easily did, with almost no explanation. I said this made you town, and made Jack and Mishu seem suspicious to me at the time. Guess who was scum? Jack and Mishu (and shap) ....
If I recall that was mostly due to meta regarding roles. I suspected Jack, but found the meta to be more of a tell sign. Though this game I have more than the role to go off of, and it isn't nearly as convincing as Tis the Season. I also don't think standards apply equally across all games.

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You weren't there, but again in Haruhi, Penta believed my claim when others didn't (and he pocketed me with that). Penta was scum.
What were the details surrounding the claim?
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Alright then, it's time for me to take off!
I won't be here for phase change, but I don't really have any special abilities that I could claim nor do I have any way (more than what I have been doing my best trying) to defend myself. The choice is up to you guys ^^
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Reiynii is most likely a converted zombie or cult leader I think

Why converted Zombie?
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It's just now hitting me how amazing it is that these games his several thousand posts and I as well as all the other players can keep rough tabs on almost every single message posted to some degree. Meanwhile I have trouble remembering like, my moms birthday.
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I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.
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Oyasumi_Rosie said:
Reiynii is most likely a converted zombie or cult leader I think

Why converted Zombie?
I can't remember if they voted for qoco or not right now and my phone is starting to lag really bad.for some reason I got it in my mind that they wouldn't bus. Sorry

Thinking about it more though, Qoco was caught red handed during that whole event. Would that be the perfect time for the OG zombie to bus them and gain more credit?

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No. You were the one who said you didn't consider grrr possibly telling the truth when you tried to compare your situation to RE's. I took your word for it, so don't blame me for not double-checking things you yourself said.

Also, your claim definitely helped dodge a bullet. It wasn't a super suspicious claim because it wasn't only under pressure, but it isn't meriting a townread. It could come from either side.
Oh please, that's just too weak now. I was mentioning the general situation of what my thought process of voting Grrr was. You said "Grrr is not scum." at one point so how would you know that? As a townie, you shouldn't know other people's alignment unless you're a certain power role. See? Taking what someone says literally is very weak argument >.>

So- I'm dodging a bullet that might have potentially been heading my way when almost every player was alive and I could've gone by without really saying anything because nobody really was questioning me nor voting for me but just "talking" about me because I am part of this game yet at the same time directing said bullet more towards myself for the future.. You must think I'm the worst mafia player out there lol

Find me a post where I said Grrr is not scum and nothing else. If you can do that, it has merit, but because I know I supported my statements, it doesn't. The reason I said you acted as if you knew too much about grrr is because you said that I should treat you like RE. That doesn't apply to you because you don't have the priest claim to back it up.

Therefore, all I'm saying is that your attempted defense by comparing yourself to RE is invalid. You pointing out scenarios where you considered grrr as town makes it even more invalid because RE didn't do that.

Furthermore, to pick apart your arguments, I have to take what you say literally to show why it is wrong. That's what I did. I'm not saying you are scummy for your treatment of grrr, I'm saying your defense about it is invalid because of your treatment of grrr.

You are treating me like I'm inventing reasons to scumread you. I'm not. All I've been doing is showing why the defenses you come up with don't hold any merit, which means you have nothing townie about you whereas everyone else does. That makes you the scummiest player by PoE.

Wjat you have just said about your claim isn't provable. You could just of easily have claimed because you were worried about becoming a shotgun lynch target at the end of the phase. I know that kind of motivation exists. I tried to avoid it on D1. It's something town and scum do, and therefore your claim is neutral. It doesn't give you any town credit, just like everything else you have done.
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I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.
why vote Cp then? If I am converted, what does that do with him? Was he the one who changed me?

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I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.

So you think Purity converted Rosie?
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Purity is firmly on my "won't lynch" list. I was almost certain they were town during day 3 so at worst they would be a converted cultist. Not worth a lynch.
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It's just now hitting me how amazing it is that these games his several thousand posts and I as well as all the other players can keep rough tabs on almost every single message posted to some degree. Meanwhile I have trouble remembering like, my moms birthday.
Priorities.
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Oyasumi_Rosie said:
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Why converted Zombie?
I can't remember if they voted for qoco or not right now and my phone is starting to lag really bad.for some reason I got it in my mind that they wouldn't bus. Sorry

Thinking about it more though, Qoco was caught red handed during that whole event. Would that be the perfect time for the OG zombie to bus them and gain more credit?

Copied and Pasted: CorruptedPurity, RE1031, Kit, grrr, yurkin, Oyasumi_Rosie, Doughkey, Sleipnirr, Qoco
Yes and no. I was teasing Qoco a little bit that day, but I had no intention of not voting for him, and I'm pretty sure more than enough people thought the same. I suspect the cult leader to be one of the first people to vote for him (ahem CorruptedPurity), but OG zombie could go both ways. If I were the zombie and knew my buddy was going to get lynched whether I voted for him or not, I might not have voted out of respect.
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I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.

So you think Purity converted Rosie?

Yes. I am sensing an alliance between Purity and Rosie.
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RE1031 said:
I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.


TwT Rosie is not converted as I mentioned so many times... TwT

If you're a town RB and know you're converted, would you still say that you're going to RB the crier at night? Cause that's what she did. If she was converted, there's no way she'll be able to RB logic, so why did she even mention it in the first place? It wouldn't make sense...

Like srsly... Can u guys not see that Rosie is not converted?? TwT
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Doki - He could be a Qoco's partner as he never voted there and focused more on Shinichi and Kit.
Qoco's partner and CL?
either or not enough information to discount him from being either
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CorruptedPurity said:
RE1031 said:
I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.


TwT Rosie is not converted as I mentioned so many times... TwT

If you're a town RB and know you're converted, would you still say that you're going to RB the crier at night? Cause that's what she did. If she was converted, there's no way she'll be able to RB logic, so why did she even mention it in the first place? It wouldn't make sense...

Like srsly... Can u guys not see that Rosie is not converted?? TwT
I can think of one situation where she does. It's where she's converted cult and they intend to convert me tonight to clear Rosie tomorrow.
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I kept thinking you're a girl all along for saying husbands... Be my trapfu and I'll be your husbando... <3
Oh my, really?! I accept!!


Great, where do you wanna go for our honeymoon?
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TwT Rosie is not converted as I mentioned so many times... TwT

If you're a town RB and know you're converted, would you still say that you're going to RB the crier at night? Cause that's what she did. If she was converted, there's no way she'll be able to RB logic, so why did she even mention it in the first place? It wouldn't make sense...

Like srsly... Can u guys not see that Rosie is not converted?? TwT
I can think of one situation where she does. It's where she's converted cult and they intend to convert me tonight to clear Rosie tomorrow.


TwT... Why would cult ever convert you? Once you don't send a message for 2 days in a row, then they'll lynch you followed by Rosie. The plan wouldn't make sense for cult... TwT
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CorruptedPurity said:
RE1031 said:
I'm throwing everything out the window.
vote: CorruptedPurity

I think Rosie's been converted. Last night would have been the prime time to convert someone who can check whether someone's guilty/innocent.


TwT Rosie is not converted as I mentioned so many times... TwT

If you're a town RB and know you're converted, would you still say that you're going to RB the crier at night? Cause that's what she did. If she was converted, there's no way she'll be able to RB logic, so why did she even mention it in the first place? It wouldn't make sense...

Like srsly... Can u guys not see that Rosie is not converted?? TwT

Yeah, if the crier is going to be converted that night!!!!
Day 2, Rosie said she was going to roleblock someone, but she didn't. Day 3, there's RNG involved and we get Sleipnirr. Rinto and Sleipnirr, seriously? And why did she eliminate Kit, hmm?
There was that thing with yurkin the beginning of today where Rosie voted for her - but she was the sleepwalker, confirmed by logic. Then I don't get half of the reads she's throwing out. She's fine with voting for Doki, then throws shade on reiynii with little explanation. Converted zombie? That doesn't make sense at all.
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CorruptedPurity said:
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I can think of one situation where she does. It's where she's converted cult and they intend to convert me tonight to clear Rosie tomorrow.


TwT... Why would cult ever convert you? Once you don't send a message for 2 days in a row, then they'll lynch you followed by Rosie. The plan wouldn't make sense for cult... TwT
they could be close to winning right now if they didn't attempt to convert kit N1 they might be at 4 right now we lynch the second zombie and they're pretty much set with my message coming tomorrow I'm clear for one phase. Cult cruises to victory.
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I kept thinking you're a girl all along for saying husbands... Be my trapfu and I'll be your husbando... <3
how could you do this right in front of my face? </3

You've been flirting with other members in front of my face and also have been mean to me... But it isn't that I don't love you or anything, I still do...

But you have to understand, I've always wanted a trapfu since I was a wee child. I can't turn down such a perfct opportunity...
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TwT Rosie is not converted as I mentioned so many times... TwT

If you're a town RB and know you're converted, would you still say that you're going to RB the crier at night? Cause that's what she did. If she was converted, there's no way she'll be able to RB logic, so why did she even mention it in the first place? It wouldn't make sense...

Like srsly... Can u guys not see that Rosie is not converted?? TwT

Yeah, if the crier is going to be converted that night!!!!
Day 2, Rosie said she was going to roleblock someone, but she didn't. Day 3, there's RNG involved and we get Sleipnirr. Rinto and Sleipnirr, seriously? And why did she eliminate Kit, hmm?
There was that thing with yurkin the beginning of today where Rosie voted for her - but she was the sleepwalker, confirmed by logic. Then I don't get half of the reads she's throwing out. She's fine with voting for Doki, then throws shade on reiynii with little explanation. Converted zombie? That doesn't make sense at all.

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Rosie is being rosie. Read kitty maf dead chat, as vig she would also rng her first kill, she's the god of making rng plays... (must be a hearthstone player). Converted zombie reiynii makes sense TwT...

I swear I'm going to die protecting Rosie cause you guys are overthinking some elaborate plan that cult may have. Do you really think they culted Rosie, asked her to say that just so they can cult logic safely tonight? Are they that desperate to get logic culted?
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