| If Emiya's NP is going to be more effective now, i wont feel so unsatisfied with having him as my main archer anymore. |
My Queens  |
| Can they replace UBW by snowy miyuverse UBW spam as Emiya new NP animation pls? :D |
| bruh |
| Wait for the Prisma Illya update. |
Emiya has been finally upgraded from barely adequate to barely decent. Yay... Seriously though, that's a really good upgrade. Now we just need upgraded animation. Stheno was upgraded from absolute trash to one-time-use-only trash. Using her buff and switching her (in either order) seems to be the best strategy for her, especially with a Servant like Ozy Alex0714 said: Stheno now is Euryale's best friend. About Emiya's third skill... i have to check if his NP2 is good enough to replace Nobu. In raw numbers, Nobu's NP is still superior, even with Emiya's new buff. Emiya would able to spam his NP much more frequently, however, and would be able to fit perfectly in an Arts team. In Buster and Quick teams, Nobu is superior. In an Archer team, especially with Orion on the team, Emiya is the much MUCH better option. kei78 said: Can they replace UBW by snowy miyuverse UBW spam as Emiya new NP animation pls? :D If only. bakari said: Wasted the 10 tickets straight on Okeanos rate up. Got Anne and Mary. Wasted 90 Quartz. Got Medea Lily. I've used more Quartz this past week than what i spent in the last 6 months. I feel like when the Grand Summoning costs went down, the rates followed accordingly. |
astroprogsAug 4, 2016 1:54 PM
| Spent 120 quartz, got my second drake in 2 days :). But im out of ressources to lvl up :( |
| bruh |
kei78 said: Spent 120 quartz, got my second drake in 2 days :). But im out of ressources to lvl up :( kei78 said: got my second drake in 2 days second drake in 2 days second drake Oh you ;)  |
astroprogsAug 4, 2016 2:29 PM
astroprogs said: kei78 said: Spent 120 quartz, got my second drake in 2 days :). But im out of ressources to lvl up :( kei78 said: got my second drake in 2 days second drake in 2 days second drake Oh you ;) He used 120 quartz, calm your man-boobs. >.> Also kei78 said: Spent 120 quartz, got my second drake in 2 days :). But im out of ressources to lvl up :(  |
The sun is a deadly laser |
He used 120 in 2 days. I used 150. 60 two days ago and 90 today. So, yeah. |
| So many quartz used. I wish refunding still worked, then I can be as trigger happy. |
Well that's unfortunate...... ....Is what I would say if you didn't already have so many good gold servants. >.> |
The sun is a deadly laser |
Speaking of strengthening quests, how the hell did i miss Martha's? Vow of the Saintess-C: 30% defense down for one enemy (3 turms) + remove buffs for target enemy. This skill coupled with her NP's 40% (@ max) is freaking insane. A 5* party with Drake and Ozy or a 4* party with Anne & Mary and Kintoki Rider would seriously destroy any given Caster quest. Martha is officially best support now after Jeanne and Waver IMO. The fact that she has a 3 Arts cards, 2 different healing skills, a remove buff on enemy skill, a remove debuff on party skill, enemy defense down skill, a damage dealing Buster NP with additional defense down passive, a very high HP, a decent ATK AND the cost of a 4*, finally puts her ahead of other selfless supporters like Tamamo Caster, Medea Lily and Iri. mira-pyon said: Well that's unfortunate...... ....Is what I would say if you didn't already have so many good gold servants. >.> ...ok, fair enough. |
astroprogsAug 4, 2016 4:20 PM
| You really like hyping up servants. Lily is infinitely better at healing, and Martha's 2,500 heal is nothing if you really need healing in hard fights. Tamamo is better at generating NP and lowering cooldowns while also being able to buff arts and heal the team with her NP. Martha's NP is pretty crap damage wise(even at level 4), and I would only recommend her for farming. Iri is just crap so I agree with you on that one. Waver is in a tier of his own, and Jeanne can be replaced with David if you only use her for her invincibility NP. |
| So, the new F/GO x Melty Blood manga chapter is out. An old face made an appearance a few chapters ago. And it seems like new lore info about F/GO's story were there. Apparently none of the events of Tsukihime/Melty Blood/FZ/FSN ever happen in the original timeline where Chaldea was founded. In that timeline, the 27 Dead Apostles Ancestors never came into existence. So, with no Zelretch to help the Einzberns with the Fuyuki system, that system never came to be. The Makiri never came to Japan, due to no war, and their mage blood is still strong. The first manmade Grail War to ever take place occured in 2004 in Fuyuki. The winner was Olga Marie's father before he went to make Chaldea. This manga is canon BTW. The script was supervised by Nasu. Its events occur in another singularity from Sion's POV. Also, this is canon now :p ShinsoPriest said: You really like hyping up servants. Lily is infinitely better at healing, and Martha's 2,500 heal is nothing if you really need healing in hard fights. Tamamo is better at generating NP and lowering cooldowns while also being able to buff arts and heal the team with her NP. Martha's NP is pretty crap damage wise(even at level 4), and I would only recommend her for farming. Iri is just crap so I agree with you on that one. Waver is in a tier of his own, and Jeanne can be replaced with David if you only use her for her invincibility NP. Martha has a 55-70% defense down debuff now. While Tamamo and Medea Lily can help stall, your party is fucked if the enemy can deal damage faster than you can heal. Not to mention, Tamamo and Medea Lily are dead weight damage output wise most of the time they're not charging NPs/healing. Martha's kit allows her to do both and still be a little more than decent at them. I'd rather have a Servant that can deal damage and help the entire party to do so hard and fast, than to have a servant that take a lot of my cards and have to wait for them to be usefull every 3~5 turns. To me, average damage NP + amazing defense down percentage + decent heal + debuff removal > great heal + reducing cooldown + a bit of NP charging >>> Amazing heal + debuff removal, at least 95% of the times. |
astroprogsAug 4, 2016 5:48 PM
| A team i want to try someday if i manage to roll Tamamo or Waver is Da Vinci + Black Grail/Tamamo/Waver. Well, let's see what happens tomorrow. |
| Very pleased with Emiya's buff. I also now have a good reason to max ascend Stheno as well. I'll grind on her later. inb4 tomorrow's announcement will be a guaranteed gacha for the limited 5* Servants! |
| So the final part of the anniversary event is tomorrow? I hope for either a guaranteed limited servant gacha or a free-bee for a special summoning. |
My Queens |
astroprogs said: Martha has a 55-70% defense down debuff now. While Tamamo and Medea Lily can help stall, your party is fucked if the enemy can deal damage faster than you can heal. Then you shouldn't be fighting that battle if your main damage dealer can't keep up. No amount of "decent" damage dealing/healing or defense debuffing will save you. Not to mention, Tamamo and Medea Lily are dead weight damage output wise most of the time they're not charging NPs/healing. Martha's kit allows her to do both and still be a little more than decent at them. 2,000HP heal for the party every 6-8 turns is not decent, and 9,004 attack when maxed is not decent. Her NP damage isn't decent, and barely breaks 50k against casters with 3 attack buffs(Charisma A+, B, Master party buff). Having a great defense debuff skill doesn't make her some god-like 4* support that can be used reliably next to Jeanne and Waver. Martha's NP is buster which makes her less valuable in arts teams, which you really should be using her for considering her card set. Lily is meant to be used as a backup heal once someone dies, and then be tossed aside so I agree she's dead weight. Unless you happen to get her to 100% NP without using her NP gauge skill then you'll keep your damage dealers alive that much longer. Tamamo has 5* stats so she has decent damage while adding synergy to an arts team. I'd rather have a Servant that can deal damage and help the entire party to do so hard and fast, Except she deals even less damage than Atalanta, and you happen to think she's terrible, but lets not get into that. Martha isn't the only servant able to debuff defenses with her NP. Also damage buffs are just better. than to have a servant that take a lot of my cards and have to wait for them to be usefull every 3~5 turns. Taking up a lot of your cards is bad luck. What should happen is they help you get arts chains to help your main damage dealer gain NP. To me, average damage NP + amazing defense down percentage + decent heal + debuff removal > great heal + reducing cooldown + a bit of NP charging >>> Amazing heal + debuff removal, at least 95% of the times. She won't get you far in a raid where team builds actually matter. On the other hand, the other two will help greatly. Lily moreso in a pinch since the battle is over if your damage dealer dies. And if you're not in a raid, you're better off using a buster team, or a main damage dealer+Waver+whatever team. And if you're fighting some strong boss like Grail Boosted Gawain, raid teams are the way to go. |
ShinsoPriestAug 4, 2016 7:06 PM
ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: Martha has a 55-70% defense down debuff now. While Tamamo and Medea Lily can help stall, your party is fucked if the enemy can deal damage faster than you can heal. Then you shouldn't be fighting that battle if your main damage dealer can't keep up. No amount of "decent" damage dealing/healing or defense debuffing will save you. Not to mention, Tamamo and Medea Lily are dead weight damage output wise most of the time they're not charging NPs/healing. Martha's kit allows her to do both and still be a little more than decent at them. 2,000HP heal for the party every 6-8 turns is not decent, and 9,004 attack when maxed is not decent. Her NP damage isn't decent, and barely breaks 50k against casters with 3 attack buffs(Charisma A+, B, Master party buff). Having a great defense debuff skill doesn't make her some god-like 4* support that can be used reliably next to Jeanne and Waver. Martha's NP is buster which makes her less valuable in arts teams, which you really should be using her for considering her card set. Lily is meant to be used as a backup heal once someone dies, and then be tossed aside so I agree she's dead weight. Unless you happen to get her to 100% NP without using her NP gauge skill then you'll keep your damage dealers alive that much longer. Tamamo has 5* stats so she has decent damage while adding synergy to an arts team. I'd rather have a Servant that can deal damage and help the entire party to do so hard and fast, Except she deals even less damage than Atalanta, and you happen to think she's terrible, but lets not get into that. Martha isn't the only servant able to debuff defenses with her NP. Also damage buffs are just better. than to have a servant that take a lot of my cards and have to wait for them to be usefull every 3~5 turns. Taking up a lot of your cards is bad luck. What should happen is they help you get arts chains to help your main damage dealer gain NP. To me, average damage NP + amazing defense down percentage + decent heal + debuff removal > great heal + reducing cooldown + a bit of NP charging >>> Amazing heal + debuff removal, at least 95% of the times. She won't get you far in a raid where team builds actually matter. On the other hand, the other two will help greatly. Lily moreso in a pinch since the battle is over if your damage dealer dies. And if you're not in a raid, you're better off using a buster team, or a main damage dealer+Waver+whatever team. And if you're fighting some strong boss like Grail Boosted Gawain, raid teams are the way to go. 2,000HP to party + 2500 to self IS decent. Tamamo at NP1 recovers 1,000HP and has the skill to recover 2,500HP to one ally. Martha is a slight bit below her. Tamamo isn't a good damage dealer even if she has the stats because of her lack of offensive NP. The best she can do is use Fox's Wedding to deal good damage (through herself or another) before she returns to being useless after 3 turns (assuming she gets the cards in those turns). Martha's NP damage IS decent. She's not a great damage dealer, but that's alright. She will deal damage normally AND with her NP AND increase the others' attack and NP efficiency by 50-70%, which can't be said about the other two. Also, who said she's "god-like"? I said she's number three after Waver and Jeanne as a good support for me. My criteria for good is being balanced, not just great in one direction. Flexibility is key to me. Also, Martha's defense debuff (NP + skill) is only second to Ozy in the game (and only if you can get him to NP4 or 5) Martha's kit allows her to be used in any team with varying degrees of efficiency. The cards alone aren't the end all of a Servant's usbility. Plenty of QAAAB Servants with Buster NPs work really well with Arts setups. Martha's healing and enemy debuffs can make her work in a Buster team and her star weight can make her work in a Quick team as well. She wouldn't be the best choice for either teams, unless it's a Rider team to begin with, but she won't be too much of a hindrance, unlike Atalanta that can work in a Quick team and only in a Quick team. Tamamo and Medea Lily take too much cards without offering a great payoff IMO. If the goal was Art chains, then Martha can do that as well. If the goal is healing and stalling, then that's an extremely limited usability. If i'm putting a Servant in my party, especially one with high cost, i don't want her usability to be this limited. Stalling fights and raids are VERY few and far between in the game; probably less than 5% of all the game's content so far. Tamamo and Medea Lily are EXTREMELY useful in those very few battles, while Jeanne, Waver and Martha, however, can work pretty well in any team that's not facing the the respective stronger class. In all of Camelot's quests (I'm at chapter 17 ATM), I NEVER needed Waver, Tamamo or any healer for that matter. I just used teams that worked together. J. Alter, Martha, Sanzo, Nobu and Herc were my most used Servants across different combinations and i rarely had to use a back-row Servant. |
astroprogsAug 4, 2016 8:25 PM
| I hope its anything but another guaranteed gacha since I am out cash. A gacha with all the limited servants would be nice. |
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KaiserNazrin said: I hope its anything but another guaranteed gacha since I am out cash. A gacha with all the limited servants after all of these baits rate ups would be a dick move. FTFY. Not that this would affect me anyway. I just feel sorry for those poor bastards with poor impulse control. |
| Well, they didn't force you to roll so I don't think they should not do it because some people already roll before? These rate up are just repeat of the old anyway and not like Scathach rate up after Okita's... |
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| Imo, it should be a free SR of choice or a LB SSR CE. |
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| It could also be an announcement for a Fate Grand Carnival anime. What better way to celebrate an anniversary. Well besides sniffing Jeanne's panties... MMMMmmmmMmm. |
| LoL gilles is gonna kill you genki. |
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Umineko said: unless Genkii is gilles réincarnationLoL gilles is gonna kill you genki. |
| bruh |
| Why sniff her panties when you can sniff her? You can get her for $49. 99. PM for details. [Warning, sniffing ashes isn't very healthy.I held no responsibility for any health damage you may suffer.] *No holy maiden was harmed in the making of this ashes. jk, Jeanne. You can penetrate my anus with your flag if that make you happy. |
Kaiser-chanAug 5, 2016 2:02 AM
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| All I wanted was Mary Anne... Sigh. |
4 more to go before you get your first Black Saint Graph. |
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| My dear comrade. Please be extremely careful while Using the grail ascension limit break thing I have really high suspicion that S growth curve unit such as Jeanne alter wont have much stat up from it. On the other and, okita jack drake would have really high bonus from it for being reverse or semi reverse S type. Until it is confirm (by Genkii?) that is it not function of the growth curve, be careful. Sincerely, An engineer |
| bruh |
| Ibaraki and Anne & Mary will be my picks... 11 grails lets go |
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| Each Grail Ascension Limit Break: 5* : by 2 4* : by 5 3* : by 5 2* : by 5 1* : by 10 Angra: by 5 Each subsequent ascension has a diminishing return gain. For example, if a 4* is ascended to lvl 90, it'll be treated as a 5* and the increment increases will drop from 5 to 2. When more solid info comes out, i'll try to summarize it all in another post. kei78 said: My dear comrade. Please be extremely careful while Using the grail ascension limit break thing I have really high suspicion that S growth curve unit such as Jeanne alter wont have much stat up from it. On the other and, okita jack drake would have really high bonus from it for being reverse or semi reverse S type. Until it is confirm (by Genkii?) that is it not function of the growth curve, be careful. Sincerely, An engineer I believe it was said at the end of last year that the grail ascensions will all follow a linear growth curve regardless of the Servant's own. But, to be 100% sure, we'll just need to wait and see. |
astroprogsAug 5, 2016 9:03 AM
| Tried rolling for Drake and Medea Lily. Got the other rider. Not complaining though. Got two of them. Oooh so those grails will finally let us increase the max level of our servants? NICE. This could mean that with enough grails, even a 1* can get as strong as a 5* =P (or... maybe not?) |
| Lv 100 Jeanne |
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Umineko said: that would make +150ish pv and 90atk per level. Lv 100 Jeanne I wd use it on a heavy hiter... If only i had one @_@ None of my 5* nor 4* are worth feeding with seihai-kun |
| bruh |
| Yep, i was right. From the screenshot above, Jeanne's ATK seems to have went from 10,583 (9,593 + 990) to 11,491 in 10 levels and gaining 908ATK (avg = 90..8~91 per level) and from 11,402 to 11,491 in a single level up (exactly +91). That's Linear Growth. Jeanne has a Reverse S curve. So yeah, this confirms it. Grail ascensions have forced linear growth, indeed. |
| Gilgamesh Heracles I'll be maxing out ibaraki, currently farming exp. |
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| Finally got my 5* Saber. |
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| Well i did level up Nero and Frankenmoe to level 90. I'm not sure what to do next though. |
| I leveled up my ibaraki up to lv 94. 40k atk in a critic, no buff just a clean hit is damn good. 94 vs 80 |
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| So we need 5 grails to ascend a 5* servant to 100? Jeez, I would have a really hard time deciding how to use my grails if it weren't for the fact that Gil and Scathach are the ultimate waifus. Slightly disappointed that there isn't any new Grail Ascension art. |
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| Only 11 grails to use, hmmm? Well, I don't even need to think about it. There can be only one. |
astroprogsAug 5, 2016 11:34 AM
| i got 9 ill probably go for mhx in the end if i want to reinforce my fire power... or wait for Jeanne alter come back |
| bruh |
| One of the best things to do with this new feature is: |
| In the end, i'll level up Scathach to level 100 and use the remaining Grails on Jeanne. Also lol at Saber Alter having more ATK than Artoria, both at level 100. |
... their atk lvl is injustice but i guess a NP power at 1000/2000% make it though by the way, someone broke sasaki and now you can! |
kei78Aug 5, 2016 12:28 PM
| bruh |
| so 3* become a 4* when they get to lv90... |
| Going to use my grails mostly on j.alter, im hoping we can get enough grails in the future so i can get all of my SSR's to lvl 100. |
My Queens |
They get a grail icon next to their stars. Also, 3* and below get golden borders. But yeah, the lack of Grail Ascension art is very disappointing. |
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