indipindy16 said: Jackrito said: This feels so forced to me. They is no way you know for sure cross is scum. Also this lynch is likely not a town move look at the votes. Speaking of where were you at phase change. Trying to get to sleep, that's where I was. So why did you come back later to townshame on the same night it is a strange move. |
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indipindy16 said: I realised I couldn't sleep so I checked the game and found that the people around at the phase change were foolish. I'm convinced cross is scum, by the way, because they claim double voter - if they were, there would have been a tie. If you look at the end votes as you say you will see that cross should of died so town was not foolish like you say, Also just because the votes were not tied it does not mean Cross was lying they could be other powers in play as I have said before. Also what does Cross achieve by lying about something that it is so easy to check once we did that it makes him look suspect if it is false. You could be right and he is scum and lying, but you seem to have a biased view so explain to me why he is scum. |
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indipindy16 said: Jackrito said: If you look at the end votes as you say you will see that cross should of died so town was not foolish like you say, Also just because the votes were not tied it does not mean Cross was lying they could be other powers in play as I have said before. Also what does Cross achieve by lying about something that it is so easy to check once we did that it makes him look suspect if it is false. You could be right and he is scum and lying, but you seem to have a biased view so explain to me why he is scum. He just seems scummy to me. You can't act with such confidence and town shame others to add to that just because you feel they are scummy. I'm all for gut reads but that is bad no matter how you look at it. They must be some reasons to why you find them scummy. |
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| Any particular reason why you think I'm scummy as opposed to just scum? |
| Indi had a name change... to "haha I'm dead, lol" How strange. |
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Huh? What does that mean? okay ignore me sorry I suddenly realised that I'm ded >-< Sorry queen ^^; |
magicalofmagicMay 26, 2016 3:50 PM
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| Making a last-minute case on Crossbell just in case I get killed. So as you should probably know, I first caught onto him due to his push against Verumir, and the way he defended that push with bad logic and stuck with it instead of doing other things. See any of my previous posts about him for more specifics, and Soren also brought up a couple good points that even I missed, so if you really hate my writing go look at that instead. However, even if I didn’t already think Crossbell was scum off of behavior, I’m almost certain I would be scumreading him based on his claim and Magical’s lynch. I was actually wavering on him a little bit near the end of the Day but I’m very certain that he’s scum now due to these, in addition to the behavior read. His claim: Yep, it’s a bastard game. Yeah, I know that a single coincidence doesn’t mean much, but a lot of them taken together can demonstrate an underlying pattern. I can already taste someone in particular trying to exactly one of these out of context and say “that doesn’t prove anything,” but viewed alongside the rest of the case these are clear symptoms of a fake claim. 1. Crossbell claims to be a doublevoter, a role that’s usually town and quite easily confirmable. Except, it’s a hidden doublevote that doesn’t show up in votecounts. That’s a little odd, but hey it’s a bastard game, maybe that’s possible. 2. Soren proposes a plan to tie up the votes at the end of the Day, and see if the results of the votecount back up his claim even if the numbers don’t. So the vote is tied up, but oh wait, something mysterious happens and magicalmagic is lynched. The claim isn’t proven. 3. Lastly is the odd-Day modifier, which makes it impossible to check in any way Day 2. I’d like to say that I’ve found even/odd Day modifiers to be a lot more prevalent in fake claims than in real roles. The reason is that it gives the person an excuse to not be responsible for an action on half of the nights, as well as adding as complication to the claim that the scum think makes it more credible. The big warning sign with claims like these is if *something* happens to them on the “on” Day that causes the role to be unprovable for a 2- or 3- Day stretch. For example, in the most recent game I read, there was a player who claimed odd-night watcher, and claimed he was too busy Night 2 to submit an action. That player was scum. Magical’s Lynch: Togs said: I said this about a day ago, and no one’s come forward. I don’t think anyone will come forward either, which means it’s most likely that magicalmagic was lynched due to a non-town ability. So, a non-town entity swooped in yesterday and saved Crossbell at the last moment from being deadline lynched. I don’t have to spell out the rest.If you caused magic to die and you are town, claim. Now. There’s another possibility though, and that’s that what if Crossbell is town, and someone nefarious killed magical to make us avoid a no lynch ? Well I think that this also doesn’t make sense, because this person would’ve had to choose between Magical and town Crossbell to kill. Crossbell would be such an obvious choice to kill here, because Magical is probably looked at as an easy mislynch target, whereas Crossbell is quite experience and pretty good at defending himself, so it’s smarter to save Magical for another Day. Also, Crossbell flipping town would be me look pretty bad, and a case could be made against me at that point as well. All in all the way better option, so the fact that it was Magical who died makes this road unlikely. |
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Day 2 Begins The town has discovered the dead body of followind. They were:  |
SoulEaterQUEENMay 27, 2016 8:55 AM
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Will at least find if he soft claims cop or anything of the sorts |
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| Actually, that kill was lucky of them. No skill involved tbh. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: Actually, that kill was lucky of them. No skill involved tbh. Do you think we had a good doctor and this was a third party kill? His posts have nothing so its just a normal nk I guess. |
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followind said: Well the only one that's giving me bad vibes are Slightless,Penta and Crossbell For me, maybe because I played a game with him but I suspect Slightless less since he also did the same move before but he did role hint when he felt threatened let's just see how this progessess So besides his vote on Lucy after Tog's vote, that was his suspects. Hmmm. Edit: I'm alone here... |
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| I'v got a bone to pick for "supposed" town Cross EoD claim so expect for once a long post from me regarding about. |
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Verumir said: LucianRoy said: Actually, that kill was lucky of them. No skill involved tbh. Do you think we had a good doctor and this was a third party kill? His posts have nothing so its just a normal nk I guess. Still much too early in the game to be considering these options. SKs have been known to withhold kills, etc. I don't think NKA will assist you in this instance either. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| inb4 togs votes crossbell inb4 Sight votes crossbell |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Verumir said: I doubt this is a random kill, Oh yeah, and what exactly tipped you off towards this notion? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Hey it was seriously bad play. |
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| Guys: Do you think speculating on the kill helps us catch the bad guys? Vote: PentaFlare |
LucianRoy said: Verumir said: I doubt this is a random kill, Oh yeah, and what exactly tipped you off towards this notion? Gut feel, and a little bit of frustration, we would have clues if there was more to it. |
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Verumir said: Gut feel, and a little bit of frustration, we would have clues if there was more to it. I wouldn't trust your gut on night kill analysis. It might just turn into that alcoholic beverage we all know and love so well: wine. |
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Crossbell said: Guys: Do you think speculating on the kill helps us catch the bad guys? Vote: PentaFlare All the wheels on the bus go round and round? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Crossbell said: Guys: Do you think speculating on the kill helps us catch the bad guys? Vote: PentaFlare Are you going to give me something to work with here? |
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Verumir said: Vote penta So uh, were you planning to start from you left off? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Vote:Soren for not casting a single vote last day phase why? Voting record, if I miss someone let me know |
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| I guess not? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| @Penta, why was magic the only option you could think of? @Jackrito Why did you reaction post only concerned me and penta? Crossbell also changed his vote last minute, and you didn't thought it was strange? I think I didn't saw someone else asking him about this? @Crossbell, why did you changed your vote to Magicalofmagic? LucianRoy said: I guess not? Not for now. |
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| Mainly because I was town reading cross at the time and had doubts on you both. His was a lot more of a self save as well and had already role claimed before it so i ubderstood it more .both of you also tried to switch your votes again but were too late one vote is normal but annoying 2 is a sense of panic. |
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Jackrito said: Mainly because I was town reading cross at the time and had doubts on you both. His was a lot more of a self save as well and had already role claimed before it so i ubderstood it more .both of you also tried to switch your votes again but were too late one vote is normal but annoying 2 is a sense of panic. lol You are not that far off Zuhra said: Crossbell said: Sorry, I will refrain from doing so in the future. What are you hoping to accomplish with your vote on Verumir, though? I don't really want to spell it out since that will beat the purpose. But since you ask, Veru has upped his game and I want to see how he reacts or the lack of his reaction to me not moving my vote from him. That can tell a lot about someone, like trying to be on another player's good book by not going head-to-head against her. But now look what you have done, as lame as my style goes you have rendered it rather pointless... The vote lost its purpose, yet you kept on me? Did you suspected penta then? What about now? |
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The only trains at the time were on me and Cross. I had a town read on Cross (and still do). I did not want to have Cross lynched unless it was the only way to prevent myself from being lynched. As such, I needed to find a new target who would make for a better lynch. I didn't have any solid scumreads. Under pressure, I had to try and sort through everything and magical came to mind as someone who had been acting oddly. Not exactly suspicious, but definitely odd. Seeing as that was better than the alternative, I decided to vote for magical and hoped others would join me. I'm sorry for all the confusion. I was trying my best to keep the people I thought were town alive. |
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| @Crossbell I figure since this post is about you that it's only fair to tag you. Why Cross's reveal was bad. You seem experienced enough that you should very well know what roles to self reveal and what roles not self reveal but seeing how you made that mistake it has to be addressed. As a town double voter you hold a strong influence to the day. Which is obvious of course but it needs to be said. Now as a dominate day role one thing that clear is that it's best to keep it at a low key. This is because if revealed to early Mafia can easily take advantage of this because they can now spread out there votes more allowing them to "hide" among the crowd so to speak. Additionally, they can use you to influence votes their way. Now you might respond with "but town can too". Wrong by role revealing puts you under suspicion. More so then if you didn't. Town is more likely to see you as scum or scummier because with Mafia influence to push you towards bad lynchs thus making you less and less credible. This is only made worse because they have reason to keep you alive. Some assume that the loss of a role through Mafia is bad but what people should fear more is who Mafia leaves alive. And right now your the perfect candidate. A prime example is the final day from my Championship Game where even with my Lylo push Town was more bloodlusted to lynch town. What's worse is that even after what ended up happening you still went on to reveal more about your role. If your not lying then that's bad because you just gave more knowledge to mafia on when to manipulate you. But keep in mind this is me looking at you as town. Personally I think your scum. Consider this actual advice to take into account for the future. |
SightlessRealityMay 26, 2016 7:08 PM
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LucianRoy said: You said Yesterday that you had a townread on PentaFlare and I, and didn't want to vote either of us. Why the read switch?All the wheels on the bus go round and round? PentaFlare said: Last game, you were clearly and obviously town. You were such a threat that the scumteam tried to kill you multiple times. I don't know if it's either you rolling scum, or you not knowing the players that well in this game as opposed to last one, but you seem pretty out of it. Are you going to give me something to work with here? I'm asking myself, "what happened to the PentaFlare whose posts I read and agreeing with last bit of them?" since I'm not seeing it in this game. You don't have any clear scumreads, and I don't think you've scumhunted recently. That makes me think you are probably scum, and deserving of a vote. Verumir said: I answered this already.@Crossbell, why did you changed your vote to Magicalofmagic? Crossbell said: I thought that PentaFlare's magical vote was town!him giving up, because in my experience scum would vote me 100% of the time, there. I wavered on his alignment and ended up voting magical. |
Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: You said Yesterday that you had a townread on PentaFlare and I, and didn't want to vote either of us. Why the read switch?All the wheels on the bus go round and round? PentaFlare said: Last game, you were clearly and obviously town. You were such a threat that the scumteam tried to kill you multiple times. I don't know if it's either you rolling scum, or you not knowing the players that well in this game as opposed to last one, but you seem pretty out of it. Are you going to give me something to work with here? I'm asking myself, "what happened to the PentaFlare whose posts I read and agreeing with last bit of them?" since I'm not seeing it in this game. You don't have any clear scumreads, and I don't think you've scumhunted recently. That makes me think you are probably scum, and deserving of a vote. Verumir said: I answered this already.@Crossbell, why did you changed your vote to Magicalofmagic? Crossbell said: I thought that PentaFlare's magical vote was town!him giving up, because in my experience scum would vote me 100% of the time, there. I wavered on his alignment and ended up voting magical. Have you ever heard of burden of competency? You are basically reading me because you don't think I have come up with enough scumreads yet. You may not know my history, but I rarely ever roll town. I am not an experienced town player. The Shounen game was an exception more than the rule. I found something in that game that bothered me and just went with it, hoping for the best. I tried to do a bit of the same thing this game. I had an odd feeling about magical, so I tried to lead a lynch against them. The problem this time was that I didn't know magical as well as I know Claire. I was more or less taking a shot in the dark with just a little bit of intuition to guide me. Now I know for next time that I shouldn't try plays like that unless I have a certain degree of confidence in my read. |
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| Vote: Verumir I am a little bothered by how you followed me at the end of the phase. You were voting for me. You said it was to get me talking, but that still makes it evident that you were suspicious of me. Then, I go out and ask others to vote for magical with me but I don't really elaborate on my reasoning. I am basically asking people to sheep my vote based on trust. We established before that you didn't really trust me, so I am curious as to why you would join me. |
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| Hm. Unvote ; vote: Indipindy Still thinking about Penta's response but going to hold off on him for now. |
| Oh, so that's how it is... |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Are you going to answer my question, or vote PentaFlare/me? |
Vote Count 2.1 Soren (1) // {Verumir} Verumir (1) // {PentaFlare} Indipindy16 (1) // {Crossbell} Not Voting: {Jackrito, Zuhra, SightlessReality, Soren, indipindy16, Togs, LucianRoy, Juzzywuzzy} |
SoulEaterQUEENMay 27, 2016 8:57 AM
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Yes, if they do not post by the end of this Day Phase. |
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Verumir said: Zuhra said: I don't really want to spell it out since that will beat the purpose. But since you ask, Veru has upped his game and I want to see how he reacts or the lack of his reaction to me not moving my vote from him. That can tell a lot about someone, like trying to be on another player's good book by not going head-to-head against her. But now look what you have done, as lame as my style goes you have rendered it rather pointless... The vote lost its purpose, yet you kept on me? Did you suspected penta then? What about now? Actually, it didn't. I still had hope on seeing how you would react and was willing to wait until this phase for it, which was why I still left it there. I was most suspicious of you and Penta last Phase after all, more you than him because as I had told Jack, the one time I got to play with him when he was scum he did it more convincingly and managed to escape suspicion Day 1. He even got town read and made me seem scummy up to a point. And I didn't see that last Phase and it made me less willing to vote him. Now you had replied me and who was to say I didn't get what I was egging for? And please, no one ask what I get from this. Not yet. Some things I want to keep to myself for later and I am already slightly annoyed with Cross's question because it almost rendered my attempt moot (very slightly though, Cross was just doing what he thought he should do). Looking at the whole last minute shenanigan previous Phase, Veru, Penta and Cross are certainly the most obvious suspects. And then there is Indi and her town-shaming and suddenly all the possible scums seem to be crawling out of the woodwork. I like that Veru has upped his game and became more like the Veru I observed from other games, but this is not enough to remove my scum read on him. Penta's answer seems pretty convincing but by playing even better, I ironically become more unwilling to let suspicion off him. Because as I said this only made him become more like the scum!Penta I saw, who was convincing enough to push suspicion onto some other townies. As for Cross, gee, I am not happy because my gut is telling me he is town but Togs and now even Sightless are writing essays about him and they are way better player than I am. If I can be bothered with the effort and have time for it, I will try to read back and see if I can read him better. Also the fact that Penta is town-reading him is worthy of note imo. Finally Indi. She is always a bit of a wildcard and this makes some players wary about voting her because we don't know if she's just trolling or what. But town-shaming is new of her. Is this Indi being Indi or Indi as scum? By way of their behaviours and rule of probability, I am pretty convinced that one of these four have to be scum. For now I am choosing Indi. We need to hear more from her to get more information. Vote: Indipindy16 |
PentaFlare said: Vote: Verumir I am a little bothered by how you followed me at the end of the phase. You were voting for me. You said it was to get me talking, but that still makes it evident that you were suspicious of me. Then, I go out and ask others to vote for magical with me but I don't really elaborate on my reasoning. I am basically asking people to sheep my vote based on trust. We established before that you didn't really trust me, so I am curious as to why you would join me. Oh common penta. I have already stated what happened to indy, that's a cheap reason to vote if you find it stupid or something off its another story. Just to make it clear I only followed after cross vote and I agreed with Soren reasoning on you, although I was tempted before. Which btw I'm not willing to let you off the hook with anymore, stop playing the victim you are a great player and I remember quite well you scum hunt on the magi game, I don't mean you should catch scum and be great, just to drop this play because I'm not buying anymore. |
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SightlessReality said: I'v got a bone to pick for "supposed" town Cross EoD claim so expect for once a long post from me regarding about. Why did you post became a lesson to a Towne? |
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| I'm sorry, but what is EoD? End of Day? |
Vote Count 2.2 Soren (1) // {Verumir} Verumir (1) // {PentaFlare} Indipindy16 (2) // {Crossbell, Zuhra} Not Voting: {Jackrito, SightlessReality, Soren, indipindy16, Togs, LucianRoy, Juzzywuzzy} |
SoulEaterQUEENMay 27, 2016 8:57 AM
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Zuhra said: I'm sorry, but what is EoD? End of Day? EOD means end of day I will post my thoughts when home from work in 30. I will say no point voting Indi based off thier profile they won't be back to this game. |
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