Sound! Euphonium (light novel)
Imeon said: Doubledog said: Take a look on Pixiv or bilibili, both are full of KumiRei stuff Oh.... not a KumikoXReina hub again, Have to agree with Imeon here, clearly Pixiv and bilibili were set up years before in preparation of this anime with the purpose of spreading KumiRei, any video and image sharing that happened in the last 5-7 years on these sites was just to pass time while waiting for this anime. Imeon said: and how can I "measure" it as statistical data to represent actual percentage of the fandom?..... >_> What is data sampling. You're truly the epitome of argumentative writing, I'm going to have to concede here, don't expect anymore replies. Good job getting so many replies with gibberish and reaction images. |
King_Kiashi said: Imeon said: I can accept the possibility of crush/admiration by Reina to Kumiko or vice versa. but, let's just not go beyond crushes and say she loves them both romantically. That will make her appear bi or a swinger at the same time. I don't think Kyoani will approve of that, neither do I. Whether or not anyone approves or will make it happen is irrelevant. What I'm getting at is that it's entirely possible to love multiple people romantically, and since this possibility exists and its application doesn't contradict anything stated in the anime canon, it makes the idea of Reina loving Kumiko not an impossibility in the text of the show. So with that, it's a valid interpretation of the text. It doesn't matter whether or not it happens, I'm just saying it can be reasoned out in-universe without retconning anything. And I'll have to correct you on something: The idea I'm getting at is more tied in polyamory and doesn't really have anything to do with what you call "swinging". There's a distinct difference between polyamory and promiscuity. Promiscuous = characterized by or involving indiscriminate mingling or association, especially having sexual relations with a number of partners on a casual basis; indiscriminate; casual; irregular; haphazard [source] Polyamory = the practice, desire, or acceptance of having more than one intimate relationship at a time with the knowledge and consent of everyone involved; consensual, ethical, and responsible non-monogamy. It is distinct from swinging (which emphasizes sex with others as merely recreational) [source][source] Pretty much as shown here. It's possible to date two people and be committed to both of them while closing the relationship off to any newcomers, for example. And then you can have a triad, in which a three-person relationship has every member loving the two other members. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with all that since so long as everyone is on the same page and the relationship is healthy and functional and not causing harm then I don't see a logical reason to deny such a thing. But I digress that this idea is relatively not widely-accepted, so you can think whatever of it; I similarly don't care. Just wanted to clarify that it wouldn't be "swinging" if someone was in love with more than one person. But yea, not really looking for a moral debate here or anything (let's not.jpeg) just stating the facts of how that stuff works. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ As a disclaimer, I'm not polyamorous myself, I just know a decent bit about it. I'm actually grayromantic so just me having a crush is a rarity lol. ...although Reina can't date the sensei 'cause pedophilia and the breaking of student-teacher professionalism is a no, so we wouldn't even be getting into polyamory much to begin with by saying she could love both of 'em since she could only really act upon the Kumiko route. -shrug- Not only that, but the actual strength of her feelings for the sensei is never really elaborated upon past her own words; we never even really see them interacting much (and never alone together to my memory) so it's difficult to gauge whether she's genuinely in love or merely mistaking infatuation for love, so that's similarly subjective. whew, sorry for the long post, kinda dug into stuff like usual, aha. ;; Let's avoid mixing RL issues and anime. I find it offensive for the non mature viewers of the series. We are already speculating Reina and Kumiko as yuri love, now three-way with Taki-sensei? How far will we go in complicating Reina's feelings. She's highschool girl in an anime world setting where girls falling inlove with their teachers is more likely LOVE than crushes. Until Reina clears the so called misunderstanding of her feelings... Lets accept that she loves him. Period. For now. MelonMilk said: You're truly the epitome of argumentative writing, I'm going to have to concede here, don't expect anymore replies. Good job getting so many replies with gibberish and reaction images. Well that's evolution for you. |
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Imeon said: Let's avoid mixing RL issues and anime. I find it offensive for the non mature viewers of the series. We are already speculating Reina and Kumiko as yuri love, now three-way with Taki-sensei? How far will we go in complicating Reina's feelings. She's highschool girl in an anime world setting where girls falling inlove with their teachers is more likely LOVE than crushes. Until Reina clears the so called misunderstanding of her feelings... Lets accept that she loves him. Period. For now. I don't see how this refutes the possibility though, you're pretty much just saying "let's not go there that's too serious" and avoiding the points I brought up. o_o I similarly don't see how other viewers are relevant to the discussion, either; that doesn’t change our ability to interpet the text. They have nothing to do with anything. Fiction is a reflection of real life, so I don't see anything wrong with thinking about it realistically and considering the possibility of real-world situations being applicable to it. It's called literary analysis, you know? To imply that anime is inherently incapable of being intelligent and thus is undeserving of such thoughtfulness and applied realism is more offensive, I'd think. We should be able to think of the characters as complex as real people rather than cardboard cutouts, and we should be able to consider the universe of the show as meaningful as our own, rather than belittling it and insisting it's just an anime and that we shouldn't put so much thought into it. People relate to the experiences depicted in fiction and naturally make connections to their own lives because it's a reflection of reality. It's obviously not a perfect reflection — some things are exaggerated or undermined or ignored, but many of its root qualities obviously come from people's own experiences, so people considering their own world in relation to it is only a natural course of action following such things. And I just don't see how anime standards have anything to do with anything; I'm more so focused on the universe of the work and the characters than its status as an anime. It's not about what it is, but rather, what it contains, and the meaning of what it contains. The reason Reina's feelings are questionable is precisely because she claims to be in love with her teacher. Realistically speaking, such feelings generally aren't actual love due to the nature of student-teacher interactions. Since teachers are required to remain professional when it comes to their students, they maintain a distance between themselves and their charges. This distance bars the student from getting to personally know the teacher. Sure, they may be able to learn about the teacher's life and personality if the teacher is friendly and doesn't mind sharing tidbits of their life, but they're not going to be able to break through the professional mask a teacher must maintain. They can't get inside their head and get to know them on an intimate level. Thus, this makes it exceptionally difficult for a student to truly be in love with them, as being in love with someone would require a deeper level of personal interaction than a teacher is willing to share. And that's not even considering the adult-child angle, with the teacher maintaining a position of authority over the student and living an adult life that would make it difficult for a teenager to relate to in some major respects, not to mention that this would also add distance between the two. The distance aspect is especially applicable to Taki, as he's particularly stoic and doesn't personally involve himself much with his students; we never see him sharing friendly stories about his life or really sharing much of anything about himself with the band. He just gets right down to business as usual. The only exception is when he talked to Kumiko while they walked down the stairs in episode twelve. But Reina hasn't received any such luxury of actually getting to know him better like Kumiko did in that one scene; all we know is that their fathers were acquainted and that he knew her in middleschool. While we can't gauge their level of interaction back then as it is never shown, it doesn't seem like it was very significant considering the fact that Taki never speaks with her personally; the only time they ever interact is when it relates to band matters, and never alone, either. It's likely that to him she was just his friend's kid, and considering the adult-child and "kid of friend" angle, I doubt he was anything more than polite when they saw eachother back then. As such, it's unlikely she really knows him personally well enough to actually be in love with him, considering all the barriers between teachers and students, adults and children, and Taki's particularly distant, professional aura (not to mention the fact he appears to have zero interest in her at all aside from seeing her as a talented trumpet player with potential). All of these obstacles make it to where Reina likely only sees Taki the talented band director, and not just Taki the person. Considering how she leaped to defend him in that one episode where Kumiko and Shuichi were badmouthing him and passionately declared how awesome he was, and only came to Kitauji because she heard he'd be the band director, and considering how she can't know him intimately, it really does seem more like idolization than anything. When you have a crush on someone you don't know well, their most prominent traits that you do know become the subject of idolization, and you end up putting them on a pedestal because you just don't have a lot to work with. You end up with a warped idea of who this person really is as your infatuation wipes away the bad parts and boosts up the good. And as to why she might classify this feeling as 'love,' it could very well come from the naivete of being a teenager. It could be her first crush, for all we know, and it's very common for teenagers to mistake infatuation and crushing as love since their inexperience and lack of knowledge with such things makes them not really know any better. When you first start to develop feelings like that, it can be very confusing and it's easy to make mistakes. Of course teenagers are capable of being in love as well, but what I'm saying is that feelings like these get wrongly defined a lot at that age. So, with all that being said, it's just unlikely that she's truly in love with him. -shrug- |
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bohaha said: This argument has become so long... After watching the whole anime, It is made clear that Kumiko and Reina has a special bond. Even the whole anime centers on Kumiko's conflict with Reina and how Reina became an inspiration for her to become better and discover her passion for euphonium. I mean, how can you ignore the red strings of fate which actually has romantic connotation, even Reina's invasion of Kumiko's personal space, those awkward stares and blushes, the date on episode 8 with that kinda sexy talk, and also Kumiko's "confession of love" has been made so romantic, those moments that I thought they would actually kiss. It even ended with them becoming closer and finally with Kumiko and Reina holding hands with the same passion and goal to win the nationals. If you say that they were yuri baits, the studio went to such lengths just to pull that of (those scene were spectacular) I know, I could not ignore Shuichi's crush on Kumiko and Reina's 'lavu' for Taki-sensei but they did not go in-depth with it so it did not give such an impact on me to fully recognize and accept it. I did not read the novels, but I saw the spoilers and stuff, they say Kumiko ends up with Shuichi but in the anime I could not see it going there, I see them as bestfriends who knew each other so well and so long that they are comfortable with each other. I see reina 'love' for Taki as a simple highschool girl crush like her bandmates who says that Sensei is handsome and cool. I also thought that KyoAni might really want Kumiko x Reina given there efforts for it to happen, but I think they have had a hard time making it happen because they also want to stick to the novel and given the fact that Kyo Ani is not fond of kisses and stuff (I honestly don't know why???) and they are not really hesitant in doing yuri/yaoi fanservice before so I think they dont hate/dont have any problems with gay stuff. I think, they wanted KumikoxReina but somehow there efforts made it look like a bait and somewhat ambiguous. But thats just my thoughts. You lost. The last episode is equal to the last chapter of volume 1 of light novel. Kyoani followed the novels. You lost in both cases. First case, if not there is a second season, to boost the sale of light novel and you know that the light novel is heterosexual, "Kumiko and Shuuichi is the official and canon, romantic couple of Hibike! Euphonium created by Ayano Takeda." Second case, if there is a second season mean adapting the volume 2 of the light novel, and you're well aware that Reina only have relevance in this volume in Taki-Sense plot, not to mention Reina becomes obsessive and jealous to everything related to your loved Taki-Sensei, especially when another woman is involved and that the deuteragonist of volume 2 is Mizore. Reina in the second novel is pretty much Taki obsessed. She also has a few funny parts. The main focus is really on Nozomi and Mizore. Most of Kumiko’s interactions is with Mizore and Nozomi. When her and Reina talk its mostly about Taki (so I don’t take their intimate scenes as yuribait since Reina is upset about Taki a guy). His plot is a subplot, its more about his past than his relationship with Reina. We get too meet his college buddies, one of them is a girl that makes Reina go Yandere. The only chanse that yuri fans had to win was to KyoAni had made an end original end because, the Reina is the deuteragonist of volume 1, and the story was about the resumption of friendship and Kumiko Reina. More dreamed original end that yuri fans dreamed has not happened. Against facts there are no arguments. Yuri fans just accept defeat, and stop creating arguments and theories unfounded, because you guys do not have real and physical evidence to hold them, you guys just have abstract things like your opinions and personal, tastes to accredit their arguments. What would be treated as a joke if it were taken to a court. And another Shuuichi and Kumico occurs in volume 3 and 4, Volume 2 Reina only have importance in Taki-Sensei plot, is in Volume 2 that are more visible to Reina of obsession and jealousy for your loved Taki-Sensei. It is in Volume 2 that we discover that Reina just wants to be special because of its loved Taki-Sensei, it is in volume 2 which Reina end up finding on the table the the photo of wife dead of Taki-Sensei, the same as appears in last episode of the anime. It is in volume 2 which Taki-Sensei account the Reina about his dead wife, and out of school, Reina and Taki-Sensei call each other by first name. The Reina character created by Yano Takeda is completely straight, she is in love, jealous and obsessive for a man, she wants to become special by a man. His passion for Taki-Sensei has lasted years. Your choice for the current school was due to the presence of Taki-Sensei. And none fan of yuri can change that. When you are trying to rewrite a hitoria through your point of view, personal tastes and desires, is nothing more than pure, fanwank. |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 1, 2015 9:44 PM
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King_Kiashi said: Too long to read Darn, don't post too long! That's pretty interesting though. You got points as well. But let's see. ^_^ Fiction is a reflection of real life. But not always. That's why there's a saying "fiction is fiction." You can't claim that especially that the story is written by somebody who has the authority to sway it from the realities of life. Again, not always. The reason Reina's feelings are questionable is precisely because she claims to be in love with her teacher. Realistically speaking, such feelings generally aren't actual love due to the nature of student-teacher interactions. Since teachers are required to remain professional when it comes to their students, they maintain a distance between themselves and their charges. This distance bars the student from getting to personally know the teacher. Sure, they may be able to learn about the teacher's life and personality if the teacher is friendly and doesn't mind sharing tidbits of their life, but they're not going to be able to break through the professional mask a teacher must maintain. They can't get inside their head and get to know them on an intimate level. Thus, this makes it exceptionally difficult for a student to truly be in love with them, as being in love with someone would require a deeper level of personal interaction than a teacher is willing to share. That's what normally we will think of but, just as you said, we never have the chance to see in what basis did Reina thought that she is in love with her teacher since we never got the chance to see their interactions prior to the beginning of the story. We both can't question her feelings until those "reasons" are given light in.... |
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Imeon said: Darn, don't post too long! That's pretty interesting though. You got points as well. But let's see. ^_^ Sorryyy, I have this bad habit of always writing too much but oh well -shrug- it's a hard thing to break lol Imeon said: King_Kiashi said: But not always. That's why there's a saying "fiction is fiction." You can't claim that especially that the story is written by somebody who has the authority to sway it from the realities of life. Again, not always. Fiction is a reflection of real life. I did make that concession later in that paragraph, lol. King_Kiashi said: It's obviously not a perfect reflection — some things are exaggerated or undermined or ignored, but many of its root qualities obviously come from people's own experiences, so people considering their own world in relation to it is only a natural course of action following such things. Riiiight here. ^^ if it perfectly mirrored our own lives we'd probably find it less entertaining, yea, but I was getting that fiction digs its roots in reality. like reality is used as a basis to build upon. that opening statement was a bit broad though; should've probably stuck this line in right after it instead of the end, yea. -shrug- Imeon said: That's what normally we will think of but, just as you said, we never have the chance to see in what basis did Reina thought that she is in love with her teacher since we never got the chance to see their interactions prior to the beginning of the story. We both can't question her feelings until those "reasons" are given light in.... Yea, we really don't see much of that whole deal so I'm just going off the little the anime shows. as of now it's sort of tossed in there. I regard the anime and novels separately since the studio changed things up a noticeable amount, but I guess if there's a season two we'll see. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ although I wouldn't consider myself particularly eager to explore the Hot for Teacher route. like at all. reina why. Oh well, at least we'd get some background info on Taki. I actually hated his guts at first since he reminded me of my own awful experiences with strict teachers with high expectations but he actually turned out to be pretty nice in the end. [sigh] I wish we could have the kumireis honestly but as per usual the yuri fans must do all the work to get our yuris so I'll just go off and draw the mandatory fantasy AU or something lol. I'm pretty used to my ships not being canon anyways so it doesn't matter a whole lot to me (especially since I'm a content creator so I can just write fics/draw it myself) but man, I've never seen a series yuribait this hard, damn lol. it's no surprise it causes such an uproar since we don't usually get this much subtext. unless it's madoka magica, but over there we all operate like they're all gay for eachother anyways. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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Tath said: Angela33 said: As far as I know, there is currently only one season of Hibike! Euphonium out right now. And as far as I know, Reina wasn't obsessed with Taki-sensei and Kumiko wasn't in love with a man. There is no season 2 right now, speculating what MIGHT happen based on the novels is pointless. It hasn't happend yet. This whole discussion has been about the anime, the one season of the anime. Do you work for KyoAni and know that there will be a second season and know they will stick 100% to the novels? Judging from this one, and only one, season that exists, Kumiko showed very little, if any, signs of clear romantic feelings towards Shuuichi. The last episode would have meant a LOT more if KyoAni did in fact stick to the novels as closely as they could have. Instead, they purposefully promoted the relationship between Kumiko and Reina and showed less of Shuuichi than they should have. From what I understand, the last episode was not equal to the last chapter as the hand holding was supposed to be with Shuuichi, not Reina. But even if that's untrue, a supposed 100% true to the novel last episode does not have the same meaning if throughtout the anime they have changed the relationships. The novel is Shuuichi and Kumiko, we all get that. But to come to the conclusion that people who ship Kumiko and Reina in the anime "lost" is completely and utterly ridiculous. At what point did yuri shippers lose? Was it when Kumiko fist bumped Shuuichi? Or was it when the last scene was Kumiko and Reina holding hands? I wonder if you even watched the show. The anime was different from the novel, that is 100% fact. It was not adapted as faithfully as it could have been and that changes relationships, no matter what the novel says. Stop making paper foolish. You'll embarrassment if I post the final chapter of volume 1 Light Novel It was no different from the original episodes, and some minor modifications. If you had quoted Chuunibyou and Kyoukai no Kanata and agree with you, because they had severe changes in Relation to the source material. The hug and holding the hand cheering the outcome was with Reina and not Shuuichi, Shuuichi was just stomp on the foot, what happens in novels |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 2, 2015 9:47 AM
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| I don't know, arguing about fictional characters' sexuality is kind of fun. although it's easier to just headcanon them as whatever and going on your merry way, really lol. And to add the whole popular ship thing... I must agree that kumirei seems to be the most popular ship; I haven't seen any shumiko anywhere that I hang out on the internet except here. FF is pretty much all kumirei except for some Kaori/Haruka fics (and one of the chapters of Brass Duet is Asuka/Kaori I think), AO3 is pretty much all kumirei except for a few Kaori/Haruka fics, and tumblr is pretty much unanimously kumirei. actually... I can't find any shumiko on tumblr. o_o like maybe a text post or two of someone saying it's cute and that's it. Yep, pretty much unanimously kumirei there. There's also a fair bit of Natsuki/Yuuko shippers there too. And there is a slight bit of shumiko on deviantart but the kumirei tag is still comparatively a lot bigger over there lol. I don't hang out on pixiv since my visits to the site confuse me a bit. Isn't it in Japanese? I imagine it would be hard to navigate. I've only really been linked from images and such. -shrug- |
King_KiashiJul 2, 2015 2:51 PM
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gnodab said: Reina x Kumiko is obviously the popular ship. Why even bother comparing the two when you have Kumiko angry at Shuichi for almost half of the show and then ignoring each other until the last episode. They took out his apology for calling Kumiko ugly and pretty much downplayed her attraction for him so Shuichi never had the chance to showcase his relationship with Kumiko in the first place and it's unfair to compare it with the much in your face, physical relationship between Reina and Kumiko (which I still think is nothing but blatant bait) I do acknowledge their colorful and wonderful relationship, and it was a good decision for Kyoani to make Reina relevant early in the show. But despite all of that, the Shuichi and Kumiko ship still stands strong. It's that powerful. One thing that people can't deny is that these two go way back and have a strong bond. A bond that even Kumiko admits that she's afraid of losing. It is implied that it was common for Shuichi to have dinner in Kumiko's house before the 'incident'. Him calming down Kumiko with just his words and presence already says a lot. I'd still be on for another season despite Kyoani being trolls in the relationship department. I read that Reina gets more active on her crush towards Taki-sensei and even teases Kumiko about Shuichi. Things can always change though. If no season 2 well there's always the novels and the manga, but I don't think Reina - Kumiko shippers are interested on that so they'll just have to settle with fanfic and fanart. Let your imaginations fill in the blanks :P Friend you should just ignore the fans of yuri, they The same bait scenes yuri have been used in other anime. KyoAni not even bother to create new yuribait she used those that existed in other anime. |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 8, 2015 5:43 AM
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VersoSciolto said: Angela33 said: It was no different from the original episodes, and some minor modifications. In the first episode of the TV series the concert band was arranged on the steps leading into the school, to welcome new students under a congratulatory rainbow banner. Was a banner like that described in the novel or was that one of the minor modifications made by the animation studio? I'm sure you have access to a collection of screenshots and gifs with which you'll be able to demonstrate that rainbow coloured illustrations aren't necessarily used as symbols of gay pride in Japan, but I'm already aware of that so it is not necessary to post those, as far as I'm concerned. In hindsight I found that an interesting detail nevertheless. That group shot was one of the flashback images shown towards the end of episode 13 as well. Can you confirm if such imagery was used in the text of the novels? Thanks. It has nothing to do with gay pride. |
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| I wish it was! All those Reina x Kumiko moments were priceless! A real joy...too bad Reina have a crush on sensei, but one can hope, right?! |
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VersoSciolto said: Angela33 said: It was no different from the original episodes, and some minor modifications. In the first episode of the TV series the concert band was arranged on the steps leading into the school, to welcome new students under a congratulatory rainbow banner. Was a banner like that described in the novel or was that one of the minor modifications made by the animation studio? I'm sure you have access to a collection of screenshots and gifs with which you'll be able to demonstrate that rainbow coloured illustrations aren't necessarily used as symbols of gay pride in Japan, but I'm already aware of that so it is not necessary to post those, as far as I'm concerned. In hindsight I found that an interesting detail nevertheless. That group shot was one of the flashback images shown towards the end of episode 13 as well. Can you confirm if such imagery was used in the text of the novels? Thanks. Sometimes a rainbow is just, y'know, a rainbow. Something school children think is cute. Unless, I think, you're suggesting that the entire concert band is gay simply because they have a rainbow image associated with them? Not even sure the Yuri shippers would go that far. |
domhnulla said: man this thread is wild, how much must you hate lesbians to insist that the anime presents wet bread shuuichi as a more viable love interest than reina. read the books, be happy with your hets and stop attacking people for shipping two girls LOL. No comment. |
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domhnulla said: man this thread is wild, how much must you hate lesbians to insist that the anime presents wet bread shuuichi as a more viable love interest than reina. read the books, be happy with your hets and stop attacking people for shipping two girls Real life and anime are different things. Reina and Kumiko, is nothing more than yuribait , delusions and hallucinations, the typical fanwank created in all the anime, that yuri fans choose to watch. Such acts are tipocos of yurifag 1. Pick straight girls to transform them into lesbians. 2. For whatever reason create a ship between two straight girls, saying they are lesbians and and they are passionate about. 3. In case of an adaptation, they insist that history is following a different path, and will have a original ending. 4. Filling forums with fanart of yuribaits forums 5. Attack and diminish the male character with love interest in the protagonist. As an example what you did - ''wet bread shuuichi'' 6. Tries rewrite history and change the characteristics of the characters through their taste and desire personal, distorting the sense the history which characterizes fanwank. 7. Oxplicit hate against men, romanticism and heterosexual relationships. These are facts, and nothing you say will change it. All animes that yurifags choose to watch, these incidents happen and forums is a mess due to warships. This became more clear and strong and began to occur with frequency afterthe creation of the famous ''waifu Moeshit'' high school. ''Pretty girls doing fluffy things'' with yuribaits. Love Lab was the anime that started the cycle of addiction of yurifag Against facts there are no arguments. |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 8, 2015 5:44 AM
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Yuu_vi_Britannia said: ^ Hey, could you put your image compilations under a spoiler, please? They take up an unnecessary amount of room and it'd make your posts look cleaner. Anyways, in response to your post... by your logic, would you consider it wrong for people to ship anything non-canon? Shipping is just harmless fun, you know? There's really nothing wrong with taking the canon material and creating fan derivatives that explore alternate routes and possibilities; it's called artistic inspiration, and some people have personal reasons for preferring alternate ships. =/ Also, unless explicitly elaborated to be heterosexual in text, you can't claim the characters are undeniably straight simply based upon their attraction to men. It's entirely possible to headcanon characters as bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, ect. since those identities don't contradict a female character's canonical attraction to males, just add the possibility of liking more than just that. Without the characters specifically elaborating what they identify as, we can't conclusively claim that they are X orientation; we can only speculate and interpret based upon their attraction/repulsion to other genders in the text. Especially considering how muddy and fluid sexual and romantic orientations can be, it's not necessarily as simple as it may sound. Particularly when the way people identify themselves is very personal and subjective; it's really up to the individual as to how they categorize their own emotions. And, I'd also like to point out that some of these "yurifags" as you so politely call us are actual lesbians or bisexual/pansexual women in real life, so it's only natural we'd like to ship women together. And considering the severe lack of actual lesbian representation in media, it's also no wonder that we'd ship female characters together even without them having romantic plots with other women. The thing is, we hardly get any gay characters in media. Instead we are vilified and erased and shoved under a rug to be forgotten; the only things we're allowed to have is subtext and bait to work with — we literally live off scraps and bones and have to rely on fanwork a lot of the time to get any actual gay romance. So we can't... actually get canonical lesbian characters or romantic plots very often at all because we're an oppressed minority that is viewed in an unfavorable light by the global majority. There's literally thousands upon thousands of heterosexual romance stories to be found, and they're everywhere, constantly all around us, but you have to do some digging to find genuine yuri. In comparison, there's not much out there to be had. As for why having these things is important to us, well, for a lot of us, it's a type of romance we can actually connect to and it helps us feel more at home in the world when we're recognized as something that actually exists and shouldn't be vilified. For me personally, I can't really connect to a heterosexual romance, and it's part of the reason why I personally tend to dislike them. Not to mention that a lot of us are just really sick of having potential lesbian romances get squandered by male love interests that are tossed in the narrative with frustrating ease. It takes so much for anyone to recognize that two girls may be in love, but if a girl and a guy so much as share a meaningful look, everyone instantly believes they're in love. With that, it's not hard to imagine our frustration, especially when a lot of us have to live with heteronormativity every day. And being erased in general. Anyways, believe what you want about yuri fans, but please don't attack us for shipping women together, especially when some of us have personal reasons to do so, such as myself. Yuri is what helped me accept myself for who I am, so it's a pretty important creative outlet to me. I can't change the way you think of course, and you're ultimately entitled to your opinion, but just take the actual gay folks shipping these things into consideration in the future, okay? Anyways, that's all I really have to say. -shrug- I hope I don't come off as too overbearing; it's just one of the few things I'm passionate about, so pardon me if you interpret my tone in such a way. I don't intend any ill will. ^^; |
King_KiashiJul 7, 2015 2:59 AM
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| HAHAHA The anime ends with kousaka and kumiko's holding hands!!! Lol Kyoani, they really wanted this to be a shoujo-ai... SO BE IT! :D and some bonus for us, yuri shippers.. the compilation of official arts :) |
King_Kiashi said: Yuu_vi_Britannia said: ^ It's blatant homophobia and ignorance thinly disguised as criticism to those whose taste differs to his. Judging from some of the ridiculous things said, this person must feel very insecure and threatened by (possible) fictional romance between girls. And the fact that some people even think, ship, or entertain the thought must be "yurifags", and deluded. Fans can tell between reality and fiction thank you very much and to say otherwise is baseless assumption. This clown obviously has not encountered the concept of shipping, doujin/fanfic before. It's sickening hatred like this that makes it a pain in the ass for the rest of us. |
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
| Hey guys - some possible new information on KyoAni's Kumiko x Reina intentions. A few days ago a friend of mine asked Kumiko's voice actress Tomoyo Kurosawa in person what she thought about Kumiko and Reina's special relationship at her panel at Anime Expo. Someone recorded the audio and posted it here: http://osterreik.tumblr.com/post/123344044909/tomoyo-kurosawa-on-kumiko-and-reinas But the panel translator seems to be leaving out a lot of stuff! Kurosawa-san seems to be saying Kumiko and Reina aren't lovers or even best friends, but have an attraction that transcends all of that somehow. Any Japanese speakers who can give a more full translation? |
BiriBiri21 said: HAHAHA The anime ends with kousaka and kumiko's holding hands!!! Lol Kyoani, they really wanted this to be a shoujo-ai... SO BE IT! :D LOL. NO COMMENT. I WILL NOT FALL FOR THAT. Knil said: Someone recorded the audio and posted it here: http://osterreik.tumblr.com/post/123344044909/tomoyo-kurosawa-on-kumiko-and-reinas Site full of fanarts and fantalk. Not reliable. Pointless to argue. |
RPSB9Jul 7, 2015 2:03 PM
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| Man, I'm not even into yuri but the way they were teasing it was done well. Should of quit trolling us and had a kiss scene. Season 2 plz |
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Imeon said: BiriBiri21 said: HAHAHA The anime ends with kousaka and kumiko's holding hands!!! Lol Kyoani, they really wanted this to be a shoujo-ai... SO BE IT! :D LOL. NO COMMENT. I WILL NOT FALL FOR THAT. Knil said: Someone recorded the audio and posted it here: http://osterreik.tumblr.com/post/123344044909/tomoyo-kurosawa-on-kumiko-and-reinas Site full of fanarts and fantalk. Not reliable. Pointless to argue. Um I was there in person and heard Kumiko's voice actress say this myself - July 3 at 3:33 PM PST. And I have my own second recording of the translator to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Clearly Kurosawa-san doesn't think Kumiko and Reina are in romantic love relationship, but she gives more details that the translator didn't pick up. Anyone want to take a crack at it? |
Knil said: Imeon said: Site full of fanarts and fantalk. Not reliable. Pointless to argue. Um I was there in person and heard Kumiko's voice actress say this myself - July 3 at 3:33 PM PST. And I have my own second recording of the translator to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Clearly Kurosawa-san doesn't think Kumiko and Reina are in romantic love relationship, but she gives more details that the translator didn't pick up. Anyone want to take a crack at it? Don't mind Imeon, he's very skeptical when it comes to kumirei lol. Although I wouldn't automatically disclaim it as an elaborate hoax; I mean the link provided does include an audio recording of the event and I'd imagine that'd be quite difficult to realistically fabricate. -shrug- |
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King_Kiashi said: Knil said: Um I was there in person and heard Kumiko's voice actress say this myself - July 3 at 3:33 PM PST. And I have my own second recording of the translator to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Clearly Kurosawa-san doesn't think Kumiko and Reina are in romantic love relationship, but she gives more details that the translator didn't pick up. Anyone want to take a crack at it? Don't mind Imeon, he's very skeptical when it comes to kumirei lol. Although I wouldn't automatically disclaim it as an elaborate hoax; I mean the link provided does include an audio recording of the event and I'd imagine that'd be quite difficult to realistically fabricate. -shrug- Believe me, we would have taken video if it was allowed. ; ) Anyway some of the key phrases describing Kumiko and Reina's relationship are: "Ren ai kankei to mou chigau shi" - A romantic love relationship isn't right. "Shinyuu de mou chigau" - They also aren't best friends. There were a couple other things she ruled out too before describing what she really thought. |
Knil said: King_Kiashi said: Don't mind Imeon, he's very skeptical when it comes to kumirei lol. Although I wouldn't automatically disclaim it as an elaborate hoax; I mean the link provided does include an audio recording of the event and I'd imagine that'd be quite difficult to realistically fabricate. -shrug- Believe me, we would have taken video if it was allowed. ; ) Anyway some of the key phrases describing Kumiko and Reina's relationship are: "Ren ai kankei to mou chigau shi" - A romantic love relationship isn't right. "Shinyuu de mou chigau" - They also aren't best friends. There were a couple other things she ruled out too before describing what she really thought. Knil said: Hey guys - some possible new information on KyoAni's Kumiko x Reina intentions. A few days ago a friend of mine asked Kumiko's voice actress Tomoyo Kurosawa in person what she thought about Kumiko and Reina's special relationship at her panel at Anime Expo. Someone recorded the audio and posted it here: http://osterreik.tumblr.com/post/123344044909/tomoyo-kurosawa-on-kumiko-and-reinas But the panel translator seems to be leaving out a lot of stuff! Kurosawa-san seems to be saying Kumiko and Reina aren't lovers or even best friends, but have an attraction that transcends all of that somehow. Any Japanese speakers who can give a more full translation? [b] "They are like magnets to each other, and seem like they were in a relationship in a past life maybe, but I could only express that in my voice because of voice acting, so to try to show that feeling as it is, you might have heard of “chuunibyou”, middle school girls in big love, so we tried to show that feeling.”[b] end to discussion. |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 8, 2015 1:30 AM
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| After watching the show I'd say the yuri barely even qualifies as subtext/unterlying. You can kind of see it a bit but the show certainly didn't make it much of a point. Reina is just crazy. |
Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Knil said: Hey guys - some possible new information on KyoAni's Kumiko x Reina intentions. A few days ago a friend of mine asked Kumiko's voice actress Tomoyo Kurosawa in person what she thought about Kumiko and Reina's special relationship at her panel at Anime Expo. Someone recorded the audio and posted it here: http://osterreik.tumblr.com/post/123344044909/tomoyo-kurosawa-on-kumiko-and-reinas But the panel translator seems to be leaving out a lot of stuff! Kurosawa-san seems to be saying Kumiko and Reina aren't lovers or even best friends, but have an attraction that transcends all of that somehow. Any Japanese speakers who can give a more full translation? "They are like magnets to each other, and seem like they were in a relationship in a past life maybe, but I could only express that in my voice because of voice acting, so to try to show that feeling as it is, you might have heard of “chuunibyou”, middle school girls in big love, so we tried to show that feeling.” end to discussion. Ok, clearly you don't know enough Japanese to realize that this is a totally insufficient translation that leaves out huge chunks of what the seiyuu actually said. You guys can speculate wildly all you want, but here's Kurosawa-san actually answering the question you guys are interested in. It only needs a full translation. |
| Yes, and Kumiko's VA called their relationship a very special FRIENDSHIP and that they act chuunibyou towards each other. ''chuunibyou'' the syndrome eighth grade, people fantasizing things. Merely mention chuunibyou kills anything would be checks in ''2chan'' in topic of hibike, the vast majority the users is Japanese. Pay close attention in their reactions with respect to word chuunibyou quoted by VA. |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 8, 2015 2:19 AM
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Knil said: Ok, clearly you don't know enough Japanese to realize that this is a totally insufficient translation that leaves out huge chunks of what the seiyuu actually said. You guys can speculate wildly all you want, but here's Kurosawa-san actually answering the question you guys are interested in. It only needs a full translation. -shrug- Why is it when an "info" says it can be yuri, it's like FACT statement. But when it's against, it falls to bad translation or" it's not complete there questionable".... What is this? Let's stop this. Let's pray for a season two or a movie of Volume 4 and start the ships wars again. Most of the "evidences"present here are based on commentaries from a third party sources which either bias opinions or just "bait'. Show something that is from the director or the author. Yeah, they maybe VAs but they're just opinions. |
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Imeon said: Knil said: Ok, clearly you don't know enough Japanese to realize that this is a totally insufficient translation that leaves out huge chunks of what the seiyuu actually said. You guys can speculate wildly all you want, but here's Kurosawa-san actually answering the question you guys are interested in. It only needs a full translation. -shrug- Why is it when an "info" says it can be yuri, it's like FACT statement. But when it's against, it falls to bad translation or" it's not complete there questionable".... What is this? Let's stop this. Let's pray for a season two or a movie of Volume 4 and start the ships wars again. Most of the "evidences"present here are based on commentaries from a third party sources which either bias opinions or just "bait'. Show something that is from the director or the author. Yeah, they maybe VAs but they're just opinions. I actually agree that it's not yuri and the author and VA share the same opinion. There's no possibility of a yuri ending imo, but I'd still like to know as much as possible about their actual relationship because it is very unique. Now that I have a better idea of what the VA meant by chuunibyou, I'm a bit more satisfied, though I wouldn't complain if someone posted a full translation to flesh out all the details. If I find a way to get a full translation myself I'll post it here. |
Imeon said: Let's stop this. Let's pray for a season two or a movie of Volume 4 and start the ships wars again. Most of the "evidences"present here are based on commentaries from a third party sources which either bias opinions or just "bait'. Show something that is from the director or the author. Yeah, they maybe VAs but they're just opinions. Eh, to be honest I stopped really caring for the ship wars a while ago lol; I just find debating kind of fun ^^ Although you do have a point. There's actually a name for that — when the VA makes statements about the show, it's called Word of Saint Paul on TVTropes lol. As an alternative, we could always just channel this shipping fuel into a shipping thread. like we could just share headcanons and ideas for our ships in friendly discussions instead of debating about the canonness of things. that sounds more fun, right? although I'm not sure if you guys are as big on shipping as me so maybe I'm the only one who'd get a kick outta that lol. |
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| Kyoani is doing noting but giving yuribaits here , i read on 4chan from some LN readers thar the Kumiko and Shuichi scenes were toned down and were modified a lot in the anime. Reina pretty much states that she is in love with Taki-sensei in episode 10, why are people still taking those yuribaits??Also are people really dumb enough not the see that they are nothing but baits ?? I am more interested to know about Asuka from the hints that are shown in the anime as she is the BEST GIRL. |
CutePriestJul 8, 2015 4:26 AM
Knil said: you are looking in the wrong forums and blogs. you need to look at forums and blogs Japanese. Forget blogs and Western forums. Japanese culture is different from Western. Their interpretation is totally different from Western culture. You should think that anime are made to the Japanese fans and not for fans westerners, the which may have a meaning and sense to culture Westerners, may have a totally different meaning and meaning in Japanese culture. |
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Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Knil said: you are looking in the wrong forums and blogs. you need to look at forums and blogs Japanese. Forget blogs and Western forums. Japanese culture is different from Western. Their interpretation is totally different from Western culture. You should think that anime are made to the Japanese fans and not for fans westerners, the which may have a meaning and sense to culture Westerners, may have a totally different meaning and meaning in Japanese culture. I wish it were that simple, but reading Japanese is slow work for me, and 2chan is not the easiest to navigate. Would you mind posting a link to where the Japanese are reacting to Kumiko and Reina's relationship having elements of chuunibyou? |
VersoSciolto said: The same comment has been posted by a User of 4chan /u/. I'll just pretend I did not read your comment. Octave オクターヴ - Haru Akiyama Genres: Drama, Slice of Life, ''Yuri''. Demographic groups: ''Seinen''. It does not serve as a comparison to Hibike! Euphonium, it is not Yuri and not is ''Seinen '' Hibike! Euphonium is a ''Drama, Music, School'' KyoAni has as goal ''fans Otakus'', not fans josei or seinen you can give a reference to pralavra ''chuunibyou'' used by VA to describe the friendship relationship between Reina and Kumiko? "chūnibyō" (中二病?, lit. "second year middle schooler syndrome", or "delusions of grandeur") The unique things clear in the anime Were: Reina Clearly stating que Ama Taki-Sensei and Kumiko Clearly stating que she loves his Euphonium. The rest is yuribait, chuunibyou, fan service, a great friendship, and sister, nothing more than that. Remember that, in Japan, it is considered natural attraction between young people of the same sex, but it is expected that this type of experience is shut down with the arrival of adulthood and marriage. Moreover, it is common that the level of intimacy in coexistence between people of the same sex is higher than in the West without this meaning homosexuality (for example, are normal collective baths, or onsen, where same-sex take naked bath and together). Knil said: here |
Cr7_vi_BritanniaJul 8, 2015 10:37 PM
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Yuu_vi_Britannia said: Interesting stuff. I think this is the link you were meaning to post btw: http://hayabusa6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime3/1425118183/ |
Knil said: Oh, ok. Go ahead. ^_^I actually agree that it's not yuri and the author and VA share the same opinion. There's no possibility of a yuri ending imo, but I'd still like to know as much as possible about their actual relationship because it is very unique. Now that I have a better idea of what the VA meant by chuunibyou, I'm a bit more satisfied, though I wouldn't complain if someone posted a full translation to flesh out all the details. If I find a way to get a full translation myself I'll post it here. King_Kiashi said: Eh, to be honest I stopped really caring for the ship wars a while ago lol; I just find debating kind of fun ^^ Although you do have a point. There's actually a name for that — when the VA makes statements about the show, it's called Word of Saint Paul on TVTropes lol. As an alternative, we could always just channel this shipping fuel into a shipping thread. like we could just share headcanons and ideas for our ships in friendly discussions instead of debating about the canonness of things. that sounds more fun, right? although I'm not sure if you guys are as big on shipping as me so maybe I'm the only one who'd get a kick outta that lol. As long as we have fun.... unlike some ass I knew.. LOL. Go, go, go! ^_< |
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VersoSciolto said: ....... No, you think to much. |
RPSB9Jul 11, 2015 12:45 AM
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| I think the anime definitely was directed to hint that kind of atmosphere, what with the glances and blushes and such. It's pretty hard to ignore some of the yuri undertones in the show. Not sure how you can suggest otherwise. On the other hand, a show like K-On is set in an all girls environment, with the girls being really really close to each other, but aside from perhaps Mugi, it was clear that it was friendship, not romance interest. This show on the other hand, made really strong hints despite not saying it outright. With that said, it could be that it's just the anime. I haven't read the source so I'm not sure about that. For instance, 07-Ghost anime had a pretty heavy yaoi undertone, but the manga did not have anything like that at all. |
| volume 1 chapter 1 has been translated, and i say even though the changes are noticeable its still not yuri... |
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