| Forced life support? That's fine in the situation above, it's to save a child. It doesn't matter to the mother because the mother is not conscious. After the child is born, she ends, and no extra money is wasted. Assisted suicide? That's also fine. There is the fact that a person could be manipulated into it by their family, and it's also true that the first time a person says they want to die usually does not mean anything, but that just means doctors need to be very careful about it. |
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| Obviously they made the right decision. Assisted suicide should be allowed, if the patient says it's the end then it's the end. (Except if the patient has a mental condition and only says that because he/she is mad but that's stretching it). If the illness has no cure then there is no point in extending the pain and suffering of the patient. And relatives saying "but he/she is still alive" and "he/she deserves to live" are just selfish, not realizing that living in a world filled with suffering is just awful. Instead, let the patient bite the dust with a good final memory. Of course I'm not saying doctors should "kill" off people with lethal illnesses but they should let the patient choose. |
Involtus said: Forced life support? That's fine in the situation above, it's to save a child. Szefi said: Assisted suicide should be allowed, if the patient says it's the end then it's the end. (Except if the patient has a mental condition and only says that because he/she is mad but that's stretching it). Of course I'm not saying doctors should "kill" off people with lethal illnesses but they should let the patient choose. |
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Szefi said: Assisted suicide should be allowed, if the patient says it's the end then it's the end. (Except if the patient has a mental condition and only says that because he/she is mad but that's stretching it). A mentally ill person who wants to die still wants to die as much as the next sane person and often more, and these mental illnesses are often incurable also. |
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Involtus said: Szefi said: Assisted suicide should be allowed, if the patient says it's the end then it's the end. (Except if the patient has a mental condition and only says that because he/she is mad but that's stretching it). A mentally ill person who wants to die still wants to die as much as the next sane person and often more, and these mental illnesses are often incurable also. But the difference is that the mentally ill person might only wants to die because he/she is not sane. Like, he/she has no incurable illnesses that comes with pain. tl;dr If the mentally ill person would not be mentally ill, he/she would not want to "kill" herself because she has no real, painful illness. |
Szefi said: Involtus said: A mentally ill person who wants to die still wants to die as much as the next sane person and often more, and these mental illnesses are often incurable also. But the difference is that the mentally ill person might only wants to die because he/she is not sane. Like, he/she has no incurable illnesses that comes with pain. tl;dr If the mentally ill person would not be mentally ill, he/she would not want to "kill" herself because she has no real, painful illness. But they are mentally ill, so it doesn't really make a difference. You're forcing them to stay alive based on conditions which are not met in the real world. 'You wouldn't want to kill yourself if you weren't mentally ill' isn't much different to 'You wouldn't want to kill yourself if you weren't physically ill'. The answer to both statements is the same: I am ill, so I want to die. To say that only the physically ill can kill themselves is to reduce the importance of mental illness, which can cause very serious and very real pain, or exacerbate what is already there, and is not always curable. Of course any potential treatments and reliefs should be encouraged, but anybody should have the option of suicide and dying with some level of dignity; it should never be ruled out completely for them. |
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Involtus said: Szefi said: But the difference is that the mentally ill person might only wants to die because he/she is not sane. Like, he/she has no incurable illnesses that comes with pain. tl;dr If the mentally ill person would not be mentally ill, he/she would not want to "kill" herself because she has no real, painful illness. But they are mentally ill, so it doesn't really make a difference. You're forcing them to stay alive based on conditions which are not met in the real world. 'You wouldn't want to kill yourself if you weren't mentally ill' isn't much different to 'You wouldn't want to kill yourself if you weren't physically ill'. The answer to both statements is the same: I am ill, so I want to die. To say that only the physically ill can kill themselves is to reduce the importance of mental illness, which can cause very serious and very real pain, or exacerbate what is already there, and is not always curable. Of course any potential treatments and reliefs should be encouraged, but anybody should have the option of suicide and dying with some level of dignity; it should never be ruled out completely for them. But the thing is, those mentally ill people can get help to overcome their problems, since these problems are usually not lethal or anything close to sitting in a bed in pain for years knowing you would die anyways. While people with incurable, lethal illnesses have no cure or hope. |
Szefi said: But the thing is, those mentally ill people can get help to overcome their problems, Often untrue. More physical ailments will be 'cured' than mental ones, and 'assistance' only goes so far for a lot of people. Szefi said: since these problems are usually not lethal And with mental illness, this can sometimes be worse than the alternative. Szefi said: or anything close to sitting in a bed in pain for years knowing you would die anyways. Who are you to judge? All pain is constructed in the brain, no matter the stimulus, and no person can know another person's pain fully. We take other people's word for it. |
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