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Apr 12, 2015 9:39 AM
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Why do they need to retrieve and destroy(dispose) the giftia, instead of retrieve it, save the memory, insert it back to old giftia with new OS and send it back to the owner? (And of course the owner will be charge)....

If they did that the owner will be able to live with the giftia like always....

just a question lingering in my mind....
no bad comment please...
no hater....
it's nothing more than a question...
Dark_Flame098Apr 12, 2015 9:45 AM
Apr 12, 2015 9:49 AM
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there are so many plot holes with this anime so far. it's like the staff working on this don't know jackshit about technology!
Apr 12, 2015 9:52 AM
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I think they said their memories will start acting up and they start malfunctioning after the whatever number of hours.
Apr 12, 2015 10:52 AM
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It's only Episode 2.

I'm sure they'll explain what happens in a future episode.
Apr 12, 2015 11:12 AM
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THE FEEEEELS
Apr 12, 2015 11:18 AM
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It's probably because giftias can't handle so many memories and they need to be deleted from time to time or just they want more money.
Apr 12, 2015 11:46 AM
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Maybe you should compare it to the AI's from the Halo franchise, after a certain time all the complex data causes them to deteriorate because their thoughts become TOO complex

But yeah it's mostly for the feels probably :P
Apr 12, 2015 1:58 PM
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exleader75 said:
It's only Episode 2.

I'm sure they'll explain what happens in a future episode.
Apr 12, 2015 2:48 PM
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Dark_Flame098 said:
Why do they need to retrieve and destroy(dispose) the giftia, instead of retrieve it, save the memory, insert it back to old giftia with new OS and send it back to the owner?


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Red_Tuesday said:
Even today, the most data we can store on a medium is 297 terabyte and this is an experimental optical disc that reads and writes even slower than old fashioned tape drives.

The human brain is said to room around 2.5 Petabytes which is 8-9 times as much, and reads/writes at near the speed of light.

It's obvious that data integrity would be a huge issue in an android made to mimic a human. Even with error-correcting flash based memory, we're looking at, with technology we can "see" the horizon of in the future, a maximum of 0,5TB per volumetric inch. So if they used 70% of the internal space of an android for JUST memory and memory controllers with such technology, (3D or even 4D NAND flash with ECC) it still wouldn't reach the capacity of the human brain or even half of that.

Unlike computer storage, brain storage is always written to as you can not turn off or pause your senses. Even in a computer environment where you CAN do these things, consumer flash tires out and dies within 10-20 years for a power user.

So, let's say for argument's sake that they could have half the capacity of a human brain in a giftia. (Memory lifespan of 40 years, error-free lifespan of 20 years) Then a big portion, maybe even half of THAT has to be overprovisioned (effectively back-up sectors that kick in when an active cell dies) and that leaves the error-free lifespan to 10 years.

So 9 years is plausible, with the best possible memory technology we know we can make in the future today.

Sidenote: there is biological as well as crystalline-based memory in research right now that is possibly going to double these estimates, but the timeline for that is impossible to predict and is very very far into the future.
Apr 12, 2015 3:00 PM
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Let's view them as computer program right now. When window 7 reach a certain usage, it begins to freeze, crash, and in the end, shut down forever. For the memory part, maybe they can extract and re install into the new OS. However, their memories could manifest into computer virus, so even though they have new OS, they are prone to malfunction and maybe turn into Ultron, Agent Smith, Skynet, or some sort of rampant AI. My theory.
Apr 12, 2015 3:09 PM
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Seams to me like this anime is a Doll House ripoff .
@OP: to induce forced drama, why else would they do that ??!!
Apr 12, 2015 3:12 PM

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Red_Tuesday said:
Even today, the most data we can store on a medium is 297 terabyte and this is an experimental optical disc that reads and writes even slower than old fashioned tape drives.

The human brain is said to room around 2.5 Petabytes which is 8-9 times as much, and reads/writes at near the speed of light.

It's obvious that data integrity would be a huge issue in an android made to mimic a human. Even with error-correcting flash based memory, we're looking at, with technology we can "see" the horizon of in the future, a maximum of 0,5TB per volumetric inch. So if they used 70% of the internal space of an android for JUST memory and memory controllers with such technology, (3D or even 4D NAND flash with ECC) it still wouldn't reach the capacity of the human brain or even half of that.

Unlike computer storage, brain storage is always written to as you can not turn off or pause your senses. Even in a computer environment where you CAN do these things, consumer flash tires out and dies within 10-20 years for a power user.

So, let's say for argument's sake that they could have half the capacity of a human brain in a giftia. (Memory lifespan of 40 years, error-free lifespan of 20 years) Then a big portion, maybe even half of THAT has to be overprovisioned (effectively back-up sectors that kick in when an active cell dies) and that leaves the error-free lifespan to 10 years.

So 9 years is plausible, with the best possible memory technology we know we can make in the future today.

Sidenote: there is biological as well as crystalline-based memory in research right now that is possibly going to double these estimates, but the timeline for that is impossible to predict and is very very far into the future.

Underrated post that everyone seems to miss.
Apr 12, 2015 5:49 PM

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You could also look at it from the same perspective as Asimov's positronic brains which power the androids in his books. In his stories, the positronic brain is such an amazingly complicated invention that even with the finest quality controls, no two are exactly alike. This means that while it's technically possible to transfer the memory and personality of an android to a new brain, the android that comes out the other side of the transfer will be a different "person".

I'm not sure how much this show draws from Asimov though :)

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