Sword Art Online (light novel)
ShAd0w said: I don't know if someone mentioned it earlier. I already wrote in thread about VR on SAO I discussion. Check it out http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=485229&show=100#msg32638973 for me it's the closest thing to NerveGear right now. VR may come sooner than we think and as Evaluator said I think it's achievable. Absolutely fantastic, thanks! |
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| Reminds me of a video I saw a few years ago when someone mentions the possibility of eventually using nanobots to redirect our senses to a VR. I'll see if I can find it again EDIT: Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrsQ4X0Y2jk From 2011, Ray Kurzweil. He gives it 25 years till we get nano bots able to redirect our senses to a VR, get our brains on the internet and the like. It's both amazing and scary True VR will get here eventually, it's just time. We have two main issues I can think of, 1. The technology to redirect our senses to a VR, something like the oculus rift isn't true VR. True VR is something like the NerveGear/ AmuSphere from SAO. Where you control a VR body through your normal senses, just like your real body. Believe it or not, we'll get there, there's definitely going to be some ethical barriers to address first though. With every new technology, there's the good and the bad. There's the possibility technology like this could be exploited to harm individuals. Computer viruses specially developed for the nanobots, for example. but this is coming, just like how eventually we'll be able to upload and playback our memories, this technology is coming, it's just a matter of time and how we can protect ourselves from misuse. 2. The technology to process this information, Game graphics have gotten pretty good, but we haven't gotten to the Real life tier, you can still tell a game is a game, We need the power to process huge amounts of information, instead of just physics and graphics you get in a normal game, a VR system like the NerveGear/ AmuSphere would have to process all of our senses. Sight, touch, taste, smell. balance etc and it'd have to process this detail at a much higher detailed, and faster pace than regular games, no shortcuts as they'd be easily noticed. Quantum computing would definitely help in this aspect. It'd be interesting to see whether these nano bots could reduce the strain on hardware by pulling this information from our memories. The taste of berries for example, information that most of us would be able to recall. |
RydakoJul 17, 2014 8:04 AM
Rydako said: Reminds me of a video I saw a few years ago when someone mentions the possibility of eventually using nanobots to redirect our senses to a VR. I'll see if I can find it again EDIT: Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrsQ4X0Y2jk From 2011, Ray Kurzweil. He gives it 25 years till we get nano bots able to redirect our senses to a VR, get our brains on the internet and the like. It's both amazing and scary True VR will get here eventually, it's just time. We have two main issues I can think of, 1. The technology to redirect our senses to a VR, something like the oculus rift isn't true VR. True VR is something like the NerveGear/ AmuSphere from SAO. Where you control a VR body through your normal senses, just like your real body. Believe it or not, we'll get there, there's definitely going to be some ethical barriers to address first though. With every new technology, there's the good and the bad. There's the possibility technology like this could be exploited to harm individuals. Computer viruses specially developed for the nanobots, for example. but this is coming, just like how eventually we'll be able to upload and playback our memories, this technology is coming, it's just a matter of time and how we can protect ourselves from misuse. 2. The technology to process this information, Game graphics have gotten pretty good, but we haven't gotten to the Real life tier, you can still tell a game is a game, We need the power to process huge amounts of information, instead of just physics and graphics you get in a normal game, a VR system like the NerveGear/ AmuSphere would have to process all of our senses. Sight, touch, taste, smell. balance etc and it'd have to process this detail at a much higher detailed, and faster pace than regular games, no shortcuts as they'd be easily noticed. Quantum computing would definitely help in this aspect. It'd be interesting to see whether these nano bots could reduce the strain on hardware by pulling this information from our memories. The taste of berries for example, information that most of us would be able to recall. Great! Thanks for the video and the info. |
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| I think if the tech companies really wanted to, they could make the technology similar to the one shown in SAO. we already have the motion sensor technology from kinect and the VR technology from occulus rift (some say it's crap, but hey, every technology starts somewhere right..?). it'd probably cost a ton to produce a technology that incorporates both though. the biggest obstacle for making such technology is that the tech companies simply don't care about anime related stuff. |
DreamingBeatsJul 18, 2014 10:57 AM
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DreamingBeats said: I think if the tech companies really wanted to, they could make the technology similar to the one shown in .hack(The World). we already have the motion sensor technology from kinect and the VR technology from occulus rift Fix'd. We could easily make a real .hack MMO with today's tech involving the Oculus Rift. We're kinda far from utilizing brain-interface technology. |
Arkane said: Fix'd. We could easily make a real .hack MMO with today's tech involving the Oculus Rift. We're kinda far from utilizing brain-interface technology. ah, forgot about the brain-interface thing, my bad (haven't watched SAO in ages) |
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Idle_Observer said: Even if it could be made what's the point of this thread? You can forget about anything even remotely close to nerve gear ever being commercialized if even produced.. To discuss the subject and get more info on tech which is currently being developed. You need to calm down a bit. |
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| I doubt a perfect model can be created even after 10 years. Years of research and testing would be needed to see will a human withstand this technology and even if we could, how long can we last in a single sitting? |
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| I wish we could get MMOs the way SAO and GGO sound and look. Even without Nerve gear, they would be fantastic. I doubt that we are limited in the ability to make them, the issue is money. Larger companies that could afford such a project like to stick to tried and true formulas for making the most cash with as little expenses as possible. Call of Duty is the prime example of such. Then there are all the small publishers that cant afford to stray to much away from what is expected. And when they do, they cant make well polished beautiful games that multi million dollar companies can. For the foreseeable future, SAO and GGO will only exist in our hearts and minds. But dream on, and maybe one day we will make it. (I personally believe that Nerve Gear will one day exist.) |
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| The problem with this tech is that it isn't just video. It directly interfaces with the human brain. Instead of the brain seeing through your eyes, you see something else, you hear something else, etc. You're basically using the human brain as a "display" of some sort. We need to understand the human brain well before we can hope to do this. I'm gonna say 2050 at the earliest, but I wouldn't be surprised at it happening in my lifetime. In the meantime though, video-based VR is going to get amazing. The level of immersion and tricks we can pull on the brain while still in the "real world" will be interesting to see. |
| I know that if they make the technology I would make an Avatar game. The unique combat style is perfect for something like that. |
Beric said: The problem with this tech is that it isn't just video. It directly interfaces with the human brain. Instead of the brain seeing through your eyes, you see something else, you hear something else, etc. You're basically using the human brain as a "display" of some sort. We need to understand the human brain well before we can hope to do this. I'm gonna say 2050 at the earliest, but I wouldn't be surprised at it happening in my lifetime. This rings true as the brain is the organ we have the least info on in the medical field. We understand the functions of it, but not the process behind it. Basically, we know the "what" but not the "why". |
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| About this close OP. |
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| The pvp would suck anyway |
ReasonDesu said: About this close OP. LOL. I've seen people using the Oculus Rift to sleep with Hatsune Miku, but that? Oh Japan... |
| i dont care if dying the the game kills me, i need it :p |
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ArbiterofWhim said: But yeah I'm still hopeful we can have Lifelight before I die :) (google "Pendragon Lifelight" if you don't know wth I'm talking about) Oh my god, I loved the Pendragon series! Used to be obsessed with those books, so happy you mentioned Lifelight. :) I would really love to play a VRMMORPG. Like more than anything else in this world. I mean, to be in the world of a game? Absolutely amazing. I'd suspect though that it could cause a lot of social problems as well if mass-produced (huge increase in NEETS/hikikomoris, including me). I suspect that it wouldn't start out multiplayer though, which is fine by me. Being in an FF game...just wow, that blows my mind away. I hope I'll at least get the chance to try something like this before I die, even if it's not at ALO/GGO level. |
Zymf said: I think it'll take a while to implement nerve-sensors It has to pass several laws before entering the market. |
| I'd say definitely within the next 50 years, it isn't too complicated in terms of technology. We would probably have to install multiple nano-chips inside our brains in order to intercept any signal coming from or to the brain itself (except the ones required for the body to function). Basically, both the brain and quantum computers (after their use has become widespread) are two types of machines that work differently. The nano-chip implants are a way of connecting the two, letting them work together in order to accomplish different tasks. Through that kind of technology, something like GGO should come on its own quickly enough. |
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Arkane said: wutReasonDesu said: About this close OP. LOL. I've seen people using the Oculus Rift to sleep with Hatsune Miku, but that? Oh Japan... |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| You'll be dead before we achieve something so realistic and economically feasible |
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| We'll all be long dead before that happens. |
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FlareStar101 said: Arkane said: wutLOL. I've seen people using the Oculus Rift to sleep with Hatsune Miku, but that? Oh Japan... I shit you not. |
DarkEsper said: We'll all be long dead before that happens. I'm immortal. |
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CrimBlacklotus said: I am not sure a lot of people would be willing to compromise their brain just to experience something that might be on the level of SA:O. EX: installing nano-chips inside one's brain. i will. |
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| As I said before, VRRPGS are an immense distance away from us. While the Occulus Rift may be in development, as seen at AX 2014, that simply relays images from a screen to the eyes much in the same way we receive information from a TV. There is no connection to the brain to simulate taste, sight, smell, touch, and hearing. To create a pseudo-world that is hosted from a server in the detail SAO attempts to replicate is to possess technology that is currently inexistent. There is development, according to a discussion hosted by TED Talks, in which the program responds to a person's desire, but we're far from mimicing Kirito's sword moves, dashes, jumps, etc. |
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