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lupadim said:

Heredity said:

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lupadim said:

Heredity said:
As humans we require meat

I require source

Why should he give you sources of something that has been scientifically proven and published? Just go on google yourself.

My favourite part about people who deny humans require meat is that they stress the fact that we're omnivores (which of course means we also need meat). Never mind our teeth, or the fact that we do not have the digestive system required for a non-meat diet.

I had a biology teacher that was vegetarian, and he was more healthy than me. I guess he is an alien?

Good for him, there's a lot more to your health than your food choices. I wouldn't be surprised if he took supplements though. However, don't divert the conversation with an anecdote - it's probably not hard for me to find an example of an unhealthy vegetarian.

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I had a biology teacher that was vegetarian, and he was more healthy than me. I guess he is an alien?

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Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:

Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:
As humans we require meat

I require source

Why should he give you sources of something that has been scientifically proven and published? Just go on google yourself.

My favourite part about people who deny humans require meat is that they stress the fact that we're omnivores (which of course means we also need meat). Never mind our teeth, or the fact that we do not have the digestive system required for a non-meat diet.

I had a biology teacher that was vegetarian, and he was more healthy than me. I guess he is an alien?

or you're just unhealthy.. also you realize vegetarians still consume meat-derived products?

I am healthy, thanks. Also, they don't; My teacher didn't even consume chicken or fish, and he said he consumes milk because it is almost impossible not to consume milk nowadays. He also said that a diet based on vegetables is enough to remove meat. Now, someone with a biology diploma is more trustable than a troll with a doge on his avatar picture, wouldn't you say?

Feb 15, 2014 9:19 AM

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lupadim said:

Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:

Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:
As humans we require meat

I require source

Why should he give you sources of something that has been scientifically proven and published? Just go on google yourself.

My favourite part about people who deny humans require meat is that they stress the fact that we're omnivores (which of course means we also need meat). Never mind our teeth, or the fact that we do not have the digestive system required for a non-meat diet.

I had a biology teacher that was vegetarian, and he was more healthy than me. I guess he is an alien?

or you're just unhealthy.. also you realize vegetarians still consume meat-derived products?

I am healthy, thanks. Also, they don't; My teacher didn't even consume chicken or fish, and he said he consumes milk because it is almost impossible not to consume milk nowadays. He also said that a diet based on vegetables is enough to remove meat. Now, someone with a biology diploma is more trustable than a troll with a doge on his avatar picture, wouldn't you say?

Please stop using one individual as an example of all vegetarians. It's foolish.

Feb 15, 2014 9:21 AM

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Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

Makomonogatari said:

lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 9:28 AM

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geezdad said:

Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

It's a vegetarian sub-type.

Of course, now you're goi ngto tell that because a large proportion of vegetarians in India are this sub-type that it must be ordinary. Well, unless Lupadim was educated in India or by an Indian... Eh, I'm not buying it. Western vegetarians are vocal about not liking meat derived products, of which dairy is included.

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Heredity said:

geezdad said:

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The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

So what? Still vegetarian

Feb 15, 2014 9:35 AM

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lupadim said:

Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:

Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:
As humans we require meat

I require source

Why should he give you sources of something that has been scientifically proven and published? Just go on google yourself.

My favourite part about people who deny humans require meat is that they stress the fact that we're omnivores (which of course means we also need meat). Never mind our teeth, or the fact that we do not have the digestive system required for a non-meat diet.

I had a biology teacher that was vegetarian, and he was more healthy than me. I guess he is an alien?

or you're just unhealthy.. also you realize vegetarians still consume meat-derived products?

I am healthy, thanks. Also, they don't; My teacher didn't even consume chicken or fish, and he said he consumes milk because it is almost impossible not to consume milk nowadays. He also said that a diet based on vegetables is enough to remove meat. Now, someone with a biology diploma is more trustable than a troll with a doge on his avatar picture, wouldn't you say?

milk is a meat-derived product... he also probably consumes fish oil/o3.. pls stop saying nonsense.

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lupadim said:

Heredity said:

geezdad said:

Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

So what? Still vegetarian

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Vegan_vs_Vegetarian

Feb 15, 2014 9:38 AM

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Lupadim.
I think you are going to lose this argument :3

Feb 15, 2014 9:42 AM

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lupadim said:

Heredity said:

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Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

So what? Still vegetarian

So everything. Being unable to avoid milk is a silly excuse, I can cut out three food items from my life and be living a life void of dairy.

Lacto-vegetarians obviously care for dietary benefits of dairy, and are probably avoiding meat for reasons other than health. I suspect the the claim to be perfectly able to have a vegetable-only diet to be an excuse for a decision that's likely political, spiritual, religious, anti-establishment, or anti-industry.

Feb 15, 2014 9:54 AM

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Heredity said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:

geezdad said:

Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

So what? Still vegetarian

So everything. Being unable to avoid milk is a silly excuse, I can cut out three food items from my life and be living a life void of dairy.

Lacto-vegetarians obviously care for dietary benefits of dairy, and are probably avoiding meat for reasons other than health. I suspect the the claim to be perfectly able to have a vegetable-only diet to be an excuse for a decision that's likely political, spiritual, religious, anti-establishment, or anti-industry.

In his case, anti-industry.

Sourire said:
milk is a meat-derived product... he also probably consumes fish oil/o3.. pls stop saying nonsense.

So what, still lacto-vegetarian

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Eat bugs. yum!

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Heredity said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:

geezdad said:

Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

So what? Still vegetarian

So everything. Being unable to avoid milk is a silly excuse, I can cut out three food items from my life and be living a life void of dairy.

Lacto-vegetarians obviously care for dietary benefits of dairy, and are probably avoiding meat for reasons other than health. I suspect the the claim to be perfectly able to have a vegetable-only diet to be an excuse for a decision that's likely political, spiritual, religious, anti-establishment, or anti-industry.

Every vegetarian and vegan I know is that way for moral reasons. Vegetarians consume animal byproducts such as dairy more often than not. Vegans don't. So consuming milk would not make someone different from an ordinary vegetarian, it would just make them not vegan.

Many vegetarians don't even know just how often animal byproducts are used in foods they consume daily, or beauty products and even medicines. I know very few people who actually avoid all animal byproducts to the best of their abilities.

OT, I can understand the concern about deforestation, which is where I think this frustration is stemming from rather than at arguing how much space is actually needed for animals. As far as space to raise farm animals, it depends on local geography. The sad truth is that most animals raised for their meat will never have adequate space, and it's not for lack of space, it's for lack of regulation and enforcement. It's really a battle of priorities. What is more important, trees or available meat? Well, in the end... trees make corporations and farmers very little money as it takes years to replace them in order to be sold off for firewood or construction materials. Animals make them more profit.

I'm just saying, deforestation is horrible, but it's done for both local demand and profit... so you have to come up with a reasonable alternative if you want to slow it down. Now THAT is the tricky part.

Feb 15, 2014 10:10 AM

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lupadim said:

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milk is a meat-derived product... he also probably consumes fish oil/o3.. pls stop saying nonsense.

So what, still lacto-vegetarian

not if he consumes o3's as they're derived from fish.. and this isn't even related to the thread.. eating meat > not eating meat in terms of health benefits, etc.

Feb 15, 2014 10:11 AM

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Start eating humans.

Population control + source of meat = problem solved

Feb 15, 2014 10:14 AM

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I would think common sense would kick in for something like this, but I guess not.

May as well go look this up on Reddit...

Wasabi said:
Start eating humans.

Population control + source of meat = problem solved

Soylent Green is people!!!

Feb 15, 2014 10:15 AM

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The land and energy required to produce food to feed our meat is greater than if the land and energy was just used to feed humans. The meat produced will feed less people as well. As population continues to increase, if everyone is to be fed, meat will most likely not be on the menu except for the select elite few. Same cause for overfishing. We are eating them faster than species can recuperate. If we keep up current rates of consumption, and keep rising in population, we will be facing ecological and societal disaster soon enough. In many models we are already past sustainable levels for population, economy, agriculture, and water usage.

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Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Sourire said:
milk is a meat-derived product... he also probably consumes fish oil/o3.. pls stop saying nonsense.

So what, still lacto-vegetarian

not if he consumes o3's as they're derived from fish.. and this isn't even related to the thread.. eating meat > not eating meat in terms of health benefits, etc.

Oh, you have been observing him lately to know that he consume o3?

Feb 15, 2014 10:16 AM

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The land and energy required to produce food to feed our meat is greater than if the land and energy was just used to feed humans. The meat produced will feed less people as well. As population continues to increase, if everyone is to be fed, meat will most likely not be on the menu except for the select elite few. Same cause for overfishing. We are eating them faster than species can recuperate. If we keep up current rates of consumption, and keep rising in population, we will be facing ecological and societal disaster soon enough. In many models we are already past sustainable levels for population, economy, agriculture, and water usage.

THIS.

Feb 15, 2014 10:18 AM

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lupadim said:

Sourire said:

lupadim said:

Sourire said:
milk is a meat-derived product... he also probably consumes fish oil/o3.. pls stop saying nonsense.

So what, still lacto-vegetarian

not if he consumes o3's as they're derived from fish.. and this isn't even related to the thread.. eating meat > not eating meat in terms of health benefits, etc.

Oh, you have been observing him lately to know that he consume o3?

nope but most vegetarians/vegans consume supplements on the side so that they don't lack any nutrients that can only be found in meat.. are you trolling or that ignorant?

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lupadim said:

Seravander said:
The land and energy required to produce food to feed our meat is greater than if the land and energy was just used to feed humans. The meat produced will feed less people as well. As population continues to increase, if everyone is to be fed, meat will most likely not be on the menu except for the select elite few. Same cause for overfishing. We are eating them faster than species can recuperate. If we keep up current rates of consumption, and keep rising in population, we will be facing ecological and societal disaster soon enough. In many models we are already past sustainable levels for population, economy, agriculture, and water usage.

THIS.

So basically you just pulled confirmation bias again? You do know while he is "technically" correct (common sense), he didn't back up what he said at all.

Wait, I remembered to save this:

elite-sama said:

MellowJello said:

Lupadim Troll of 2014 confirmed.

I disagree. It's like when a person has said stupid shit and he is flustered that he can't get anyone else to agree, he plays it in his mind that he did it "intentionally" to throw other people off, rather than the truth: his ideas are retarded a bitter melon of extreme tartness.

Feb 15, 2014 10:26 AM

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Wait, I remembered to save this:

elite-sama said:

MellowJello said:

Lupadim Troll of 2014 confirmed.

I disagree. It's like when a person has said stupid shit and he is flustered that he can't get anyone else to agree, he plays it in his mind that he did it "intentionally" to throw other people off, rather than the truth: his ideas are retarded a bitter melon of extreme tartness.

detective doge.

Feb 15, 2014 10:28 AM

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MellowJello said:

lupadim said:

Seravander said:
The land and energy required to produce food to feed our meat is greater than if the land and energy was just used to feed humans. The meat produced will feed less people as well. As population continues to increase, if everyone is to be fed, meat will most likely not be on the menu except for the select elite few. Same cause for overfishing. We are eating them faster than species can recuperate. If we keep up current rates of consumption, and keep rising in population, we will be facing ecological and societal disaster soon enough. In many models we are already past sustainable levels for population, economy, agriculture, and water usage.

THIS.

So basically you just pulled confirmation bias again? You do know while he is "technically" correct (common sense), he didn't back up what he said at all.

You just admitted he is correct

Feb 15, 2014 10:31 AM

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lupadim said:

MellowJello said:

lupadim said:

Seravander said:
The land and energy required to produce food to feed our meat is greater than if the land and energy was just used to feed humans. The meat produced will feed less people as well. As population continues to increase, if everyone is to be fed, meat will most likely not be on the menu except for the select elite few. Same cause for overfishing. We are eating them faster than species can recuperate. If we keep up current rates of consumption, and keep rising in population, we will be facing ecological and societal disaster soon enough. In many models we are already past sustainable levels for population, economy, agriculture, and water usage.

THIS.

So basically you just pulled confirmation bias again? You do know while he is "technically" correct (common sense), he didn't back up what he said at all.

You just admitted he is correct

In a very specific scenario which may or may not happen*. And in the event that it may not, he has yet to back it up with why it will.

Now then, according to that fallacy quote, here's where I attack your argument.

Feb 15, 2014 10:52 AM

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It's a vegetarian sub-type

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Heredity said:

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The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

Lacto vegetarianism includes milks, but excludes eggs. Most vegetarians include both in their meals. So it is ordinary.

Makomonogatari said:

lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 10:52 AM

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Heredity said:

lupadim said:

Heredity said:

geezdad said:

Heredity said:
The fact that he consumes milk makes him different from the ordinary vegetarian

No, it doesn't.

So what? Still vegetarian

So everything. Being unable to avoid milk is a silly excuse, I can cut out three food items from my life and be living a life void of dairy.

Lacto-vegetarians obviously care for dietary benefits of dairy, and are probably avoiding meat for reasons other than health. I suspect the the claim to be perfectly able to have a vegetable-only diet to be an excuse for a decision that's likely political, spiritual, religious, anti-establishment, or anti-industry.

Every vegetarian and vegan I know is that way for moral reasons. Vegetarians consume animal byproducts such as dairy more often than not. Vegans don't. So consuming milk would not make someone different from an ordinary vegetarian, it would just make them not vegan.

Many vegetarians don't even know just how often animal byproducts are used in foods they consume daily, or beauty products and even medicines. I know very few people who actually avoid all animal byproducts to the best of their abilities.

OT, I can understand the concern about deforestation, which is where I think this frustration is stemming from rather than at arguing how much space is actually needed for animals. As far as space to raise farm animals, it depends on local geography. The sad truth is that most animals raised for their meat will never have adequate space, and it's not for lack of space, it's for lack of regulation and enforcement. It's really a battle of priorities. What is more important, trees or available meat? Well, in the end... trees make corporations and farmers very little money as it takes years to replace them in order to be sold off for firewood or construction materials. Animals make them more profit.

I'm just saying, deforestation is horrible, but it's done for both local demand and profit... so you have to come up with a reasonable alternative if you want to slow it down. Now THAT is the tricky part.

Logic would dictate the fact that lacto-vegetarians are a sub-type as meaning that a claim that 'most' vegetarians being this as not being true. There is a large concentration of this subtype in India when in consideration of a worldwide scale, but I'm going to reckon none if us here in this thread live in India. I was under eh impression that vegetarian views in the West do not match up with lacto-vegetarians, they are likely another subtype or just regular vegetarians. The reasonings in the West, based upon news media, is to not be harmful towards animals or something in that vain. It's not religious/spiritual like it is in India.

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I have no idea why you're still going on about India.

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And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 11:08 AM

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I have no idea why you're still going on about India.

Because it's a place that exists and has the most lacto-vegetarians on the planet? It's a better line of discussion that just throwing around the word 'most.' If you'd read what I linked, you'd find out what you're referring to is a 'ovo-lacto vegetarian' through clicking another link. They're common in the Western world, more common than vegetarians that drink milk but reject eggs. Drinking milk but rejecting eggs isn't the norm in the west, it is common in India.

India.

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Alrighty then.

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And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 11:13 AM

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India!

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geezdad said:
Alrighty then.

Thanks for proving my point

Feb 15, 2014 11:16 AM

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lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Alrighty then.

Thanks for proving my point

No problem, Lupy.

Makomonogatari said:

lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 11:17 AM

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lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Alrighty then.

Thanks for proving my point

I like that your avatar tipped its fedora for you. Like, I didn't even have to ping that epik maymay into the thread. It was just there, existing.

Feb 15, 2014 11:18 AM

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Heredity said:

lupadim said:

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Alrighty then.

Thanks for proving my point

I like that your avatar tipped its fedora for you. Like, I didn't even have to ping that epik maymay into the thread. It was just there, existing.

Don't go off-topic

Feb 15, 2014 11:19 AM

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Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

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lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 11:19 AM

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Logic would dictate the fact that lacto-vegetarians are a sub-type as meaning that a claim that 'most' vegetarians being this as not being true. There is a large concentration of this subtype in India when in consideration of a worldwide scale, but I'm going to reckon none if us here in this thread live in India. I was under eh impression that vegetarian views in the West do not match up with lacto-vegetarians, they are likely another subtype or just regular vegetarians. The reasonings in the West, based upon news media, is to not be harmful towards animals or something in that vain. It's not religious/spiritual like it is in India.

I'm trying to find why you're quoting "most" vetareans being something or another, and I can't find it... so I think there's a misunderstanding here. When I say "animal byproducts" I do not just refer to dairy. I said "such as" to illustrate that dairy products were simply an example. To clarify... think.... gelatin, animal fats, albumin, carminic acid, lactic acid, vitamin D3, whey, etc.

These byproducts and others are used in everything from plastic crackers, jelly, candy, fruit juices, baked goods, cereals, etc. Basically, there are A LOT of foods that vegetarians consume that they are not even aware contain animal byproducts. My cousin is indian and vegetarian, but also atheist and grew up in the usa. So I'm inclined to agree with you there. Like I said, every vegetarian I know is so for moral reasons, rather than spiritual.

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Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

As you agreed with Heredity, and as Heredity's point pretty much helps with mine, you helped me in some way.

Feb 15, 2014 11:21 AM

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lupadim said:

Heredity said:

lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Alrighty then.

Thanks for proving my point

I like that your avatar tipped its fedora for you. Like, I didn't even have to ping that epik maymay into the thread. It was just there, existing.

Don't go off-topic

Thread might as well be locked, not much else to really go on here. Everyone's probably stated their thing by now.

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lupadim said:

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Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

As you agreed with Heredity, and as Heredity's point pretty much helps with mine, you helped me in some way.

I didn't agree with Heredity.

Makomonogatari said:

lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 11:22 AM

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geezdad said:

lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

As you agreed with Heredity, and as Heredity's point pretty much helps with mine, you helped me in some way.

I didn't agree with Heredity.

But you didn't disagree as well, it shows that you don't have any arguments left to deal with him. This is not a thread to discuss your defeat on the argument, we are here to discuss the destiny of the meat.

Can we all agree that in the future, not everyone is going to be able to eat meat then?

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lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

As you agreed with Heredity, and as Heredity's point pretty much helps with mine, you helped me in some way.

"alrighty then" is like a sarcastic way of saying "sure... whatever you say..."

I think you misunderstood that as an accordance.

lupadim said:

Can we all agree that in the future, not everyone is going to be able to eat meat then?

Just work on converting more people to vegetarianism and you're golden :)

Feb 15, 2014 11:23 AM

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geezdad said:

lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

As you agreed with Heredity, and as Heredity's point pretty much helps with mine, you helped me in some way.

I didn't agree with Heredity.

Yeah, I didn't see this user who shows annoyance in his father agreeing with me. It was a mutual 'end this here.'

@Jade: I couldn't be arsed to removed parts of your post when I quoted you, as I'm on a tablet. Just assume I was responding to the first two paragraphs or something.

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Heredity said:
Yeah, I didn't see this user who shows annoyance in his father agreeing with me.

Come again?

edit: I forgot I changed my username.

Makomonogatari said:

lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

Feb 15, 2014 11:26 AM

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geezdad said:

Heredity said:
Yeah, I didn't see this user who shows annoyance in his father agreeing with me.

Come again?

edit: I forgot I changed my username.

Geez, dad!

*audience laughter*

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JadeQuetza said:

lupadim said:

Can we all agree that in the future, not everyone is going to be able to eat meat then?

Just work on converting more people to vegetarianism and you're golden :)

I am not vegetarian, it sucks. But in the future, I fear that I will have to be vegetarian because of the reasons mentioned in the first post

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lupadim said:

JadeQuetza said:

lupadim said:

Can we all agree that in the future, not everyone is going to be able to eat meat then?

Just work on converting more people to vegetarianism and you're golden :)

I am not vegetarian, it sucks. But in the future, I fear that I will have to be vegetarian

A vegetarian, lupy. Everyone here knows you're not a plant. Even though it would explain a thing or two.

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lupadim said:
And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong

The best part is that you somehow actually exist.

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Aug 2013

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Heredity said:

geezdad said:

lupadim said:

geezdad said:
Can you maybe tell me what I did to prove your point, so I can avoid it in a future situation.

As you agreed with Heredity, and as Heredity's point pretty much helps with mine, you helped me in some way.

I didn't agree with Heredity.

Yeah, I didn't see this user who shows annoyance in his father agreeing with me. It was a mutual 'end this here.'

@Jade: I couldn't be arsed to removed parts of your post when I quoted you, as I'm on a tablet. Just assume I was responding to the first two paragraphs or something.

Oh, I understood that you were replying to my first 2 paragraphs. I was just clarifying what I meant, as my point was obviously not taken how I meant it.

I'll make it easier.... I'll reword this....

"Vegetarians consume animal byproducts such as dairy more often than not. Vegans don't. So consuming milk would not make someone different from an ordinary vegetarian, it would just make them not vegan.

Many vegetarians don't even know just how often animal byproducts are used in foods they consume daily, or beauty products and even medicines. I know very few people who actually avoid all animal byproducts to the best of their abilities."

As this....

"many vegetarians don't realize they consume and use animal byproducts in however small amounts, including dairy byproducts"

In fewer words, that's what I meant.

Feb 15, 2014 11:33 AM

#99

yhunata

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Apr 2011

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I like how everyone is so conveniently ignoring how lupadim's original reasoning for not eating meat (i.e. deforestation for the sake of keeping animals) was practically countered in the very first page.

Feb 15, 2014 11:35 AM

#100