| As stated in the title, don't continue reading if you don't want the show to be spoiled. So I just finished Clannad After Story Episode 22 and I'm a bit confused, even after reading some really great interpretations of the story in other forums. So my first question is, near the start it shows Tomoya back in the moment when he first met Nagisa, but he decides utterly to not meet her, since he believes that he is the cause for her suffering. However, at the end of Ep. 21 he either fainted or died (not sure how he would have died). How did he end up from that point, to going back in time? Secondly, it's only until the illusionary world is destroyed and Tomoya's illusionary presence returns to the real world that he decides instead to yell Nagisa's name and meet her. What about Tomoya's illusionary self returning to him would cause him to change his mind? I find this particular scene very confusing because both Tomoya and Nagisa are both in that moment in time with memories of the future (the whole story presented to us in the earlier episodes). After Tomoya hugs Nagisa, I expect at this point that no change in the flow of time would have occurred. In other words, Nagisa would still have died and also Ushio. I'm not sure what changes the fate this time. Is it some additional knowledge that either of them now have due to having lived that experience already? Also, what was with the weird gray distorted scenes that happened after they hugged? Some blue glowing lights appear on the screen as well as what appears to be the first-person view of someone walking through buildings, streets, etc. I'm not really sure what this is supposed to represent. During that scene, you hear the Illusionary Ushio speak: "Would you like me to take you? To a place in this city where wishes come true.", then you hear the joined voices of both Tomoya's say "It's coming to an end...The long, long journey...". After that, all of a sudden, Tomoya wakes up next to Nagisa after having given birth to Ushio. |
| Key Magic. |
 Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
| Magic fixes everything. |
| AFAIK, 22 is the official ending and the last 2 are extras. Anyway... "magic fixes everything" isn't necessarily the explanation I was looking for. Perhaps I chose the wrong community to post my question, sorry for that. |
| We're being serious, OP. THERE'S NOT A LOGICAL REASON WHY WHAT HAPPENED TOOK PLACE, it's supernatural for a reason. It's for the sake of having a good happy ever after ending. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
| it was teh orbs |
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| But even supernatural events can be explained, at least in this respect. My assumption is that the plot was intended to have some definition and comprehension and that I'm simply "missing the point", so I'm looking to make sure I'm not missing any points. I never asked for it to make logical sense. |
Tavor said: We're being serious, OP. THERE'S NOT A LOGICAL REASON WHY WHAT HAPPENED TOOK PLACE, it's supernatural for a reason. It's for the sake of having a good happy ever after ending. ^^^^^ And it's a big reason why I didn't like Clannad AS as much as Clannad season 1. The other was the simple fact that it was utterly depressing and I took away very little enjoyment in seeing it. The ending was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen (IMO). |
| As silversaint already mentioned, the orbs were the only links between reality and the supernatural world. These orbs are somehow able to grant wishes if one touches one and Tomoya was thus able to wish Nagisa to be alive. It's been awhile, but perhaps someone could elaborate. Beyond that, once the orb/wish bit takes place, there's nothing really of it to make 'sense'. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
| Anime logic.. |
 "Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
| Clannad the movie makes more "sense" and is better IMO. |
Peten00b said: Anime logic.. To be fair anime logic is better than hentai and doujin logic. I mean seriously....things on that side of the spectrum are insane. XD |
JustALEX said: Clannad the movie makes more "sense" and is better IMO. Pretty much. Though, it lacks the melo/keydrama, which I admittedly liked (what a sucker I am). |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
| Welcome to Key stories. |
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Nikin said: Apologies but what are "Key Stories"?Welcome to Key stories. Also I realize the light orbs are the reason, they granted his wish (although he did not explicitly wish it, I think it was more based on his desires to keep his family alive) to keep Nagisa alive. The thing is, his first time through this passage of time, he was collecting the orbs. They did show up several times, even in Season 1. However, Nagisa still died. During episode 22 he goes back in time, back to season 1 episode 1. Nagisa doesn't die that time. Did he simply have more orbs that time? Not sure about that part lol. |
voidpointer said: Nikin said: Apologies but what are "Key Stories"?Welcome to Key stories. Also I realize the light orbs are the reason, they granted his wish (although he did not explicitly wish it, I think it was more based on his desires to keep his family alive) to keep Nagisa alive. The thing is, his first time through this passage of time, he was collecting the orbs. They did show up several times, even in Season 1. However, Nagisa still died. During episode 22 he goes back in time, back to season 1 episode 1. Nagisa doesn't die that time. Did he simply have more orbs that time? Not sure about that part lol. you are overthinking it, basicly if you are a nice guy an collect the dragon orbs, you can bring the dead back to life, its realistic dang it |
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GoldenBRS said: voidpointer said: Nikin said: Apologies but what are "Key Stories"?Welcome to Key stories. Also I realize the light orbs are the reason, they granted his wish (although he did not explicitly wish it, I think it was more based on his desires to keep his family alive) to keep Nagisa alive. The thing is, his first time through this passage of time, he was collecting the orbs. They did show up several times, even in Season 1. However, Nagisa still died. During episode 22 he goes back in time, back to season 1 episode 1. Nagisa doesn't die that time. Did he simply have more orbs that time? Not sure about that part lol. Key anime shows. Yes he got more orbs by helping out Nagisa's friends. Yes but the first pass through the story, he helped out Nagisa's friends as well (First Fuko, then Kotomi, etc). So if perhaps he carried over his deeds into the 2nd pass of the same story, thus doubling his count, then I'd understand... but perhaps I'm making it too logical at this point. I think the point of the entire story was to accept that some things will be mysterious (specifically, how the "magic" part worked). But at least we understand that they were brought back because of that magic, and that his initial experience of those hardships was necessary to not only understand what to wish for but to acquire the prerequisites to have that wish fulfilled. |
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