Watchmen Thread

MotokoAramaki | 11-12-08, 5:03 PM
I just read that the Watchmen movie's ending has been changed from the original GN. That sucks, but I have to admit that I expected it...

BlindFighter | 11-12-08, 5:43 PM
yeah I figured they would change the ending I dont know how people would react to the graphic novels ending lol

Zyro | 11-12-08, 11:28 PM
Changed the ending!? That sucks!!!!! The original ending is so good, it works with the rest of it and fits very well. I'm now very skeptical, but I'll still watch it, I can hope they don't ruin it for me.

accela | 11-13-08, 3:35 PM
Yeah the watchmen ending difference is really going to bother me a lot. Namely because they worked so hard to make it all VERY exact to the graphic novel, so a new ending is kind of... bzuuuhhh!??

I mean, it really isn't Watchmen without the ___________ _____________ at the end, you know????

MotokoAramaki | 11-13-08, 3:56 PM
From what I've heard, its a relatively happy ending, which kinda ruins it for me. Still, it looks reeeeeally pretty, so I'll still see it. I can't wait to see a die hard fan pop a blood vessel over it...

1eyedjoker | 11-14-08, 2:48 AM
Speaking of Watchmen, here's a new trailer.

http://www.awardsdaily.com/

Zyro | 11-14-08, 4:33 AM
MotokoAramaki: Be in the theater with me when I watch it then, lol!

But seriously, happy ending? That's not what Watchmen is all about, how can they put the darkness and harshness of Watchmen into a movie and then give it a happy ending. I'm sorry, that's like spitting Alan Moore straight in the face, which pisses me off.

BlindFighter | 11-14-08, 9:50 AM
what they should of did was put the real ending on the dvd and I dont know how I feel about a happy ending

accela | 11-14-08, 11:50 AM
I am really hoping they're just pulling our tails with this happy ending business; that's definitely not the point of watchmen at all!

The_Doctor | 11-14-08, 7:50 PM
If you all must know, the new ending towards Watchmen is not the cheesy happy ending present in the Sam Hamm script, nor the feel good ending in David Hayter's script. (Although the only survivor in Hayter's script is Manhattan, sadly the rest of the cast are killed in his script).

Snyder's ending involves Ozymandias setting off all of the Atomic bombs in the world. If you are hearing happy ending stuff, those sources a very unreliable, only listen to officials or those that saw the private screening in Portland.

Snyder did bring up a most brilliant argument for his justification on changing the ending. I applaud him.

MotokoAramaki | 11-14-08, 8:00 PM
....wait a minute. I haven't read Watchmen in a while, but wasn't the whole "alien squid" thing done to prevent a nuclear holocaust? Now Ozzy's the one who caused it? Confused. I guess I'll have to wait to see it myself.

The_Doctor | 11-14-08, 8:22 PM
Actually the use of the squid was to sacrifice millions in order to end all war. Snyder replaced the squid with an atomic bomb. You see this is Snyder's argument which he stated in an interview with Blunty3000: "What is the real ending of Watchmen? Is it the squid or is it Ozy getting away with sacrificing millions for peace". A fine way to put it.

BlindFighter | 11-14-08, 9:37 PM
well when you put it that way doctor it is fine as long as millions die in the end lol

you all see the new trailer on ign they talk in the trailer lol I cant wait for this movie!!
http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/34260/watchmen/videos/watchmen_trlr_111408.html

Zyro | 11-16-08, 6:42 AM
Well I'm glad that whole "happy ending" thing was just a bunch of blown smoke. Because that would piss me off the most epic proportions. Anyway, if they do the atomic bomb thing well enough I can overcome them not using the genetically engineered alien squid since I suppose that's a little more difficult to do on the big screen.

But yeah, that new trailer is HOT! Their voices are almost completely like I envisioned them in the comics, there are some differences but those are overcome when Rorschach steps out on the screen :P

BlindFighter | 11-17-08, 7:55 PM
lol they are making a watchmen game it is a prequel that takes place in 1972 it is called watchmen: The End is Nigh there is a article in the new EGM about it Rorschach is on the cover

1eyedjoker | 11-17-08, 7:55 PM
Rorscharch is so awesome.

MotokoAramaki | 11-17-08, 9:18 PM
Ditto what 1eyedjoker said. I am looking forward to the game with cautious optimism.

Zyro | 11-18-08, 2:48 AM
I'm honestly not really looking forward to the game. Being an rabid fan of Watchmen and of video games I don't know how I feel about the two combining. Granted it'll be sweet to play as Rorschach and even though I'm not looking forward to it I will indeed play it, simply because I have the small smidgen of hope that it'll be good.

accela | 11-19-08, 3:36 AM
I dont really get Snyder's argument. I mean, if a nuke was set off at that time, wouldn't the US just insta-blame Russia? It doesn't really make sense.

The whole tension in Watchmen is solely because of the nuclear hysteria, so I don't see why setting off a bomb would fix it.

The_Doctor | 11-19-08, 5:12 AM
Ah Accela it is not just one bomb, to my knowledge Snyder wanted to have Ozymandias use Doctor Manhattan's ability to set off every bomb in the world. Although that does have a great chance at starting war as well as ending war.

But Snyder's argument I already posted was not about selecting a bomb, it was about justification of switching the ending. You see the squid coming down and killing many innocents is not really the ending of Watchmen. The ending is Ozymandias putting his plan in action to kill off millions in order for the greater good and him getting away with his plan.

Here lets use The Dark Knight as an example, which would you say is the ending: Batman kills Harvey Dent and becomes a criminal to the public or Batman the selfless hero he is takes upon all of the blame for the crimes that Two Face committed so Harvey Dent's image is preserved upon his death.

Zyro | 11-19-08, 11:09 AM

The_Doctor: I get what you're saying, I do. But there is one huge flaw in that ending. If Ozymandias uses Dr. Manhattan's ability to set off the nukes, wouldn't people blame the U.S? I mean, granted he was exiled and whatnot but he still is attached to the United States. Come on, "god exists and he is American." I'm in the camp of "mildy pissed/cautiously optimistic" and I'm reserving all judgment until I SEE the movie, but I can complain damnit, oh yes I can :P

accela | 11-19-08, 12:06 PM
Yeah, Zyro's point is basically what I was gonna argue.

It doesn't make sense to me because Veidt is still a person, from Earth, and specifically the US. He'd only be adding to the Mutually Assured Destruction paranoia that is the driving force behind Watchmen's politics.

I guess it's just a big deal to me because logically, space aliens is the really the only thing that can possibly unite the -entire world-.

The_Doctor | 11-19-08, 2:42 PM
It is a rather large plot hole, but an excuse can easily cover it up, such as if the U.S. did set off those nukes then why would they blow themselves up? And since Manhattan's powers are involved the blame could be placed on Manhattan attacking the world.

Also accela only the remaining Crimebuster's knew that Ozymandias was the culprit, no one else knew.

And remember about all those films, its always safe to assume none of which are coming out until shooting starts

Zyro | 11-19-08, 7:48 PM
Yeah it can be covered up, but the fans won't be able to see it as scotch tape over a gaping plot hole. But still, I reserve all judgment of the film until AFTER I've seen it. 5 minutes after the movie lets out I'll be verbally bitching/praising the movie, whichever way it turns out.

As for the list of movies, I don't know why some of those are being made. Some of those heroes aren't even well known. I know they're aimed towards the general audience and not pleasing just the fans, but still... Eh, I guess I just have too much to bitch about :P

accela | 11-19-08, 11:53 PM
"It is a rather large plot hole, but an excuse can easily cover it up, such as if the U.S. did set off those nukes then why would they blow themselves up? And since Manhattan's powers are involved the blame could be placed on Manhattan attacking the world.

Also accela only the remaining Crimebuster's knew that Ozymandias was the culprit, no one else knew. "

Well actually it can't really be that way, for the reasons you actually stated. Because nobody knows it's Adrian, then people would assume it's the only two superpowers that were involved in the nuclear arms race: either US or the USSR.

The US would assume it was the USSR and set off the nukes towards them, and then the USSR would see their nukes and set off their own nukes towards the US, because that's how mutually assured destruction works.

That's the whole reason why anything other than something ridiculous like a space alien would not work.