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Jan 6, 2013 4:16 PM

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I think she's pretty overrated, in my experience. Every Vi I encounter whether they're on my team or on the enemy team she does rather poorly. I have yet to see a decent Vi. But yeah, she's hot.

Well most Vi's I've come across suck too because people simply don't know how to build her. And I bet most of the Vi players you've come across rush items like Black Cleaver or Tri-Force on her. Vi has amazing innate damage, but little to no sustain and durability, yet people still build items to boost her damage rather than thinking about her weaknesses at all.

Well I'll tell you this, if you ever come across a Vi that rushes a Vamp Scepter & Frozen Mallet, then you are sure she'll be a teamfight terror. Heck even my recent montage featured mostly Vi.
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Jan 24, 2013 8:03 PM

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Jan 24, 2013 8:13 PM

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He's quite fun to play.... But in my elo it seems that people don't watch spotlights or anything of the like. I literally had nobody grabbing my lanterns that I tossed out. With the correct team play he's pretty strong, but he has a much higher skillcap than someone like blitz or Taric.
Jan 25, 2013 7:35 PM

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I want to try him as an ad jungler.

Anyone knows if he can keep with other champs armor with his passive??
Jan 26, 2013 3:01 AM

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gokudo21 said:
I want to try him as an ad jungler.

Anyone knows if he can keep with other champs armor with his passive??


He can keep up exponentially well. You're sitting on an extra 80 or 90 AP at 100 stacks too. Not sure about the armor values, but he's pretty tanky compared to other supports other than Leona. His jungle clear is pretty slow though since his only AoE is his E and it's subpar in damage. Overall I think he fits support more than any other lane, ad can work but it's too clunky for him to be an effective jungler. At least in my opinion.
Jan 26, 2013 3:06 PM
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A general rule you can follow is if you're 3x your level in souls, you have equal armor to any other tanky support.

Thresh is a great asset to any team. He can create great gank opportunities with a snare and has some of the best utility in the game. The only problem is that people can't keep up with his high skillcap. Once people figure out his limits and practice him, he's going to a force to be reckoned with.
Jan 27, 2013 9:08 PM

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I am planning to buy him when the price go down.but won't it be hard to collect souls when playing as a support?
Jan 29, 2013 1:10 AM

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gokudo21 said:
I am planning to buy him when the price go down.but won't it be hard to collect souls when playing as a support?


It's actually pretty easy, Just have to proximity them and not stand of top of them. Also if there are some that are far away you can just toss your lantern and it'll pick them up.
Jan 29, 2013 8:01 AM

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AD Thresh OP
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Jan 30, 2013 8:30 PM

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Thresh price returned to 6300. I think I will buy him.
Jan 30, 2013 9:53 PM

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Is it true that Thresh's ultimate is 99% slow, if it is they really should have made it into a snare.
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Jan 31, 2013 10:12 PM

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Clizapy said:
Is it true that Thresh's ultimate is 99% slow, if it is they really should have made it into a snare.


When snared you can't use dash or flash but with 99% slow you can.
Feb 2, 2013 1:06 AM

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They really should just add the other 1% though. Looks like a great support in general.
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Mar 1, 2013 7:38 PM

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Quinn and Valor discussion onward.

Mar 2, 2013 5:09 AM

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Been waiting for this champion for about two weeks now. Since my fav type is adc, im looking forward to buying it :3
Mar 2, 2013 1:41 PM

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She's an anti bruiser like Teemo, not an AD carry.
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Mar 2, 2013 6:35 PM

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BloodRequiem said:
She's an anti bruiser like Teemo, not an AD carry.
Ani bruiser? hello? passive harrier? it's like vayne's silverbolts with the drawback like jarvan's passive :/ she's more like an anti-tank but though she looks like going to be a squishy one -3-
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Akira_Renji said:
BloodRequiem said:
She's an anti bruiser like Teemo, not an AD carry.
Ani bruiser? hello? passive harrier? it's like vayne's silverbolts with the drawback like jarvan's passive :/ she's more like an anti-tank but though she looks like going to be a squishy one -3-


Her AD scalings are horrible so you have to utilize her passive. However, her passive is pretty unreliable, especially in a teamfight. Escape mechanism is also pretty gimmicky. She has low range and isn't tanky like graves. Ultimate puts her into a targetable melee form.

There are way better choices for AD carries. IMO she should be played top.
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Mar 3, 2013 5:23 AM

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Well i've seen her in a few games so far and shes always bot adc and won all of the matches i observed
not sure if its just cause ppl dont know how to play vs her or the facts u are pointing out aint affecting her as much as u say
tho shes nothing like teemo ....
shes as much adc as varus ashe and mb vayne are
thats her type ad / ranged with utility
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Mar 9, 2013 8:17 PM

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Quinn kind of sucks. She has 525 range and no steroid. Her passive targets randomly and q is kind of weird. I suppose her E is supposed to be sort of an escape/gap closer but its terrible, unless you change into valor. Valor form is okay, but since you're an ad carry, you can't just go into melee range. And the damage when transforming out of valor form sucks.
Mar 19, 2013 6:10 AM

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Pretty much trash but incredibly underrated. Her laning is pretty good and her dueling/split pushing potential is actually damn good. She just has a realllyyy bad "gap closer/escape" minus her ultimate which has its obvious issues. Her damage is pretty underwhelming and she pretty much just gets wrecked in team fights. I can't think of a good reason to pick her as an ad carry since she is lackluster in that in pretty much all ways.

As a top laner, I see some potential if she is played like teemo where you just are annoying and take turrets like a man. Her W lets her see ganks and her ultimate is pretty much the ultimate get out of jail free card. She can also split push and not worry too much about her team getting caught since her ult lets her get to a fight near instantly no matter where she is.
Mar 30, 2013 5:40 AM

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Zac and Karma discussion onward.



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Mar 30, 2013 1:29 PM
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Zac is ok. Karma seems OP - so much mana efficient poke
Mar 30, 2013 10:57 PM

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I find Zac is a decent replacement for Amumu, now that he's been nerfed. He is fairly tanky and has several forms of CC. Karma on the hand seems strong, good thing there are not many good Karma players out there as of now
Mar 31, 2013 12:09 AM

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Karma feels entirely different. Since you can only use her ult once on a set cooldown, it is much harder to wave clear in mid lane. Old karma could bait so well, but I feel like now she has more damage rather than utility.
Mar 31, 2013 9:31 AM

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dearysin said:
Karma feels entirely different. Since you can only use her ult once on a set cooldown, it is much harder to wave clear in mid lane. Old karma could bait so well, but I feel like now she has more damage rather than utility.


I think it's the other way round. She now has more utility than damage, since when built with pure AP items she simply doesn't output nearly as much damage as other similar champions (Lux or Morgana).

Anyway my thoughts on Karma now is that she's a subpar mid, decent top and finally a good support. What I like about support Karma is her ability to zone out the opponents, set-up kills and peel for her carry if there's a gank. Similar to Lulu. With 38% cooldown reduction I manage to get the Mantra cooldown down to 27secs, allowing me to use it twice in some teamfights. It's also nice having a Shurelya's and Locket without having to actually buy the items.
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Mar 31, 2013 3:31 PM

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That damn Zac passive is annoying when playing against him.
Mar 31, 2013 5:13 PM
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Tips: Ban Zac - since retarded ADC don't know how to run when Zac is channeling his jump
Apr 11, 2013 9:36 PM

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I only played againsed zac once before but the person using him was not very experienced with him so i didnt see him at his full potential. But i would love to see how Karma plays out, i may even get her.
Apr 13, 2013 1:17 AM

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I watched onebadbrad's stream and Karma has fuckin crazy burst.
Apr 18, 2013 8:17 PM

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tbh i think zac is only good if you know how to play him whenever i have seen team mates use zac they have done horribly.I really like karma, i just started using her since it is free week and i am going to buy her!
Apr 20, 2013 9:49 PM

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Karma is even worse after the rework. All they did is make her more annoying to play as and against.

Zac is OP. When he ults, you can't even see anything because your screen is covered with his green thingie.
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Apr 30, 2013 11:42 PM

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May 1, 2013 12:10 AM

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Sejuani is in a much better spot now, being able to jungle with around 50 armour from level one really helps. Her kit is mostly the same, meaning that she retains one of the best initiates/counter-initiates in the game, just that she has a stronger early game in terms of resilience and early ganks. Before her early ganks provided 30% slow & semi-consistent damage, but now it's; knock-up, 50% slow & consistent damage.

Well I'm going to try more matches as Sejuani and my friend with Lissandra, to see whether there are any counters to that CC, insta-kill, combo.
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May 4, 2013 11:11 PM

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Trundle Ult is now OP because it deals %maximum health instead of a flat amount. So now you can't build health as counterplay anymore.

Lissandra works well as a tanky jungler but anywhere she goes she has mana problems.
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May 6, 2013 5:23 AM

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BloodRequiem said:
Trundle Ult is now OP because it deals %maximum health instead of a flat amount. So now you can't build health as counterplay anymore.

Lissandra works well as a tanky jungler but anywhere she goes she has mana problems.

My friend who plays Lissandra says he has no mana problems with her. Heck, in twisted treeline he can start with a Chain Vest and Health pots and do just fine.

As for Trundles Ult. I played against one earlier, as Sejuani and it counters me HARD. Now I'm actually scare of the troll more then other junglers like Hecarim, Lee Sin & Volibear
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Jun 13, 2013 7:53 PM

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Aatrox discussions onward.

Jun 15, 2013 4:08 PM

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People think he's way too OP. He can get countered so damn easily in lane lol. A very overrated champion, he'll probably become like Lissandra (no one plays her anymore).
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Jun 15, 2013 5:41 PM

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When I first heard of Aatrox's kit, personally, I'm not impress.
He feels a bit like Mordekaiser... If he's fighting, he's tougher, but if he's not... He's squish as hell.

I immediately thought
"Any hero with CC will kill this thing"


From experience


As for why so many deem him OP...

I mean, he is slightly different than other hero, so maybe those underestimate Aatrox's kit and that try to go for "1 last hit" and fail start calling him OP?

I've seen several fights where Aatrox, if not CCed, just keep slashing and healing til he wins.
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Aug 23, 2013 8:12 PM

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Jan 18, 2014 4:24 AM

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No one updated this to Yasuo?
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
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Opps my bad ,totally forgot about this thread.
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Yasuo discussions onward.

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Vel’Koz discussions onward.

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