| I just want to know one thing, and one thing only. If someone can give me an answer that actually makes sense, then I'm willing to forgive all the plot holes, and some of the downright absurd writing of the story. My question is, why is Yuno not a God when she travels back in time? The story makes it clear that she isn't a God, yet it would have explained her incredible skills, and how she always seemed to come out on top. By the time they revealed that Yuno was an alternate of herself I honestly didn't even care. I was already tired of the seemingly random plot and the characters, the fact this big reveal is completely baseless didn't help matters any. I don't see any reason she would have stopped being a God, she remained herself when she went back in time. The anime talks about different Earths, so it's clearly referring to multiple timelines. I already know this is yet another plot hole, I'm just still trying to make even a fraction of sense out of this disastrous anime. This anime really could have been great. I'm open to any thoughts and interpretations. |
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Zianyx said: Here's my guess. It may be wrong though. When she travels back in time, she is still the god of her world. However, she is not the god of the "world" she traveled back to, because the game to decide who would become god has not happened yet. I'm not completely sure, and idk if I even answered your question. I was a bit confused about the plot a well Not a bad answer, and one I pondered over myself, but it just doesn't really add up. I don't see any reason she should have lost her powers when she went back, other than it's the direction the plot wanted to go in. She goes back in time and kills her past self, since she can do this we know it's an alternate version of herself. It's for this reason that her powers simply cannot be tied to this world, the game should have no bearing. Again, I already knew there was no reason for this, unless I somehow missed the plots clever explanation. Even if this was somehow perfectly explained however, I lied, it still wouldn't make up for anything. There really just isn't anything that could ever explain the bizarre writing of the plot. Yuno was basically the only reason to keep watching this anime, the main character is a disaster. His transformation from a scared coward into a ruthless killer is awkward, poorly executed, and just plain absurd. But it's alright, after he kills all his friends, his biggest concern is accidentally seeing Yuno half naked. I was rooting for her to kill him so badly, you have no idea. Plus, even though she's completely insane, her twisted plans at least fit her character. Heh, sorry to go on another rant... lol |
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Kolle said: Zianyx said: Here's my guess. It may be wrong though. When she travels back in time, she is still the god of her world. However, she is not the god of the "world" she traveled back to, because the game to decide who would become god has not happened yet. I'm not completely sure, and idk if I even answered your question. I was a bit confused about the plot a well Almost all animes that involve time or some kind of time travel have this sort of problem but i agree to your theory. Agreed, but this anime had enough problems already before trying to fit in time travel too, I suppose it went with the territory though, God of time and space, and all that fun stuff. |
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| Wasn't Minene able to use her powers in the 3rd World .. same with Yuno? I think she either held her powers or gave them away so she could live out another normal life with Yuki. Side question: Why does Muru muru talk funny? |
| To be fair, Yuno didn't do anything exceptionally 'godly'. All the weaponry and tactics are from her experience in First World. The most 'godly' thing she ever did is controlling the Causality Core and traps Yuki in an illusionary world; a feat which is feasible only because she had obtained Deus' core (take note how she 'asked' for it to grant her the control of the Causality Core). Given that she refers to Yuki by his given name right from the start (as opposed to Amano-kun), part of her memory which is supposedly sealed by Muru-muru had already been restored prior to the beginning of the game. If you noticed the scene where Yuki is led by Muru-muru back into the past and saw the images from First World, most of the incidents with the other Diary Holder occurred exactly at the same spot, with slight difference. So she knew beforehand what the other Diary Holders will do; which is already a great upper hand in the game. Furthermore, I had been giving the issue why Yuno isn't a God some thoughts. Although we consistently refer Deus as God, he's the God of Time and Space which is still bound by the law of causality (cause & effect). Some people questions why Deus don't just appoint good people (like 8th) as the next God but instead went with the game. Thing is, from how I view Deus, he just need a successor to avoid any damages to the law of causality. It doesn't matter if his successor rebuild the world and separate it into Heaven/Earth/Hell, literally, as long as they don't turn back time and interfere with the flow of time itself. Given that these 'Gods' are still bound by the law of causality, I doubt the Mirai Nikki world itself allows for two Gods. And even if Yuno's still a God, she'll need to fight with Deus, the True God of Second World before she can claim it as hers, which I doubt is feasible. That said, I believe Yuno did lose her Godhood once she traveled back time. All the flying/floating/aerial combats are entirely done by her familiar, Muru-muru 1. But really, Yuno & Yuki pairing winning the Second World Game is pretty much a fluke dependent on how you view it. They're the main character, they're destined to 'win' at some point. All MCs win. It's just that we refuse to believe their victory unless it's accompanied by awesome music, grand revelation and epic animation. Whether the ending is logical or not, pure luck or hardwork, it's the execution to the ending that matters the most. One final note for LostSpectre, I find that it's more entertaining to form new logic according to the flow of the anime rather than forcing our view into theirs. This is because the fictional world isn't ours; it's a world constructed by the author which is, more often than not, bound by the rule of cool rather than logic. You may think that it's ridiculous for Yuno to lose her Godhood, but there's no reason why she won't. There's definitely no scientific evidence to support that, and even if there will be, it isn't established during the production of the manga. Play by the rule of the author, don't force our view point unless it's stated that the anime/manga is set in real life. |
| I know where you're coming from, and I mostly do agree. I realize this isn't the kind of anime where you can question the plausibility of events, it's obvious that it was not designed to hold up to any rational level of scrutiny. The answers to any questions will all come from the same conclusion, there are none. This show was such a mess that I couldn't gauge anything by it. I couldn't tell the difference between bad writing, accidental plot-holes, or what was, or should have been possible in that realm of possibility. Ultimately I leave it that, this anime doesn't deserve any kind of deeper analysis. Yuno at least made it entertaining, I thought her character was excellent. |
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| Alas, I've no idea why everyone only love the show for Yuno. Sure, she's part of the reason prompting me to watch it though I find the plot captivating as well. The plot may not be a masterpiece but I reckon it turned out well. To be honest, I've no idea why the manga ending, especially the part where Yuno broke the Second World with a hammer, earned so much hate from the others. There's worse ending out there which literally Deus ex Machina with the Power of Love and Friendship. Shattering the Second World with a hammer just ain't groundbreaking enough to be Deus ex Machina; it's actually feasible given how much time leaping and altering future they had done. LostSpectre, I'd seen your other topic on Steins;Gate. I do have to wonder why do you scrutinized both of these show in the same way? Steins;Gate is without a doubt sci-fi while Mirai Nikki is more on fantasy. Furthermore, given how you actually gave solid argument in Steins;Gate, it's a surprised that, out of all thing, you'll question about Yuno's Godhood in Mirai Nikki. That's not plot holes, that's not sci-fi, that's not even literally logical. That's fantasy. You can't and ain't supposed to analyze any show that isn't Sci-Fi since they're not obliged to explain things to you. Heck, it was never explained why Deus won't directly interfere and put an end to Muru-muru's ploy. Perhaps no editors/readers bothered to question the author when he's serializing the manga. Even if a detailed, foolproof revelation is given now, it might just an answer from the author on the whim without much thoughts given, but still may be considered canon and a masterpiece. There's limitless possibilities, bound only by your imagination, but more often than not there's not a single definite answer. |
| Very good points, I really shouldn't have questioned the validity of the time travel in Mirai Nikki. Honestly, I really did want to know if there was at least a semi coherent explanation I may have missed. I mean it just made sense to me she would have been a God still, and I think it would have explained a lot of things. I may not have approached the subject correctly, I wasn't doubting the scientific validity or the like. I was more or less being the guy who shouts at his monitor, screaming "WHY!?". If she was still a God though it would have had to be a radically different ending of course. I like the show I'm watching to at least make sense, and personally I felt like Mirai Nikki was kind of the polar opposite. I'm not talking purely logical scientific, time travel sense, I just mean basic plot elements, and characterization type of sense. It's hard to put into words my problems with the anime, but I'll try to use an example. I generally like a good, clever twist, and Mirai Nikki had a great one. I mean I should have seen the Yuno time traveler thing coming from a mile away, it wasn't forced and it fit together perfectly. For whatever reason I just felt exasperated by this point, I didn't even care about the characters or how it was all going to play out anymore, I had nothing vested in it. I liked Yuno and thought her character was brilliant, but at the same time I still wasn't attached to her. It wasn't the time travel theories, future diaries, or any other strange fantasy elements that put me off, it was the (IMO) completely bizarre plot/characterization. I despised Yukiteru and was so put off by his emotions regarding death, Yuno, and virtually anything throughout the entire anime. This coupled with the plot, growing stranger and stranger as it went on just completely took me out of this anime. It's not really the time-travel I had a problem with, it was just the last straw. There was a lot of potential in that anime, I feel like it was poorly realized. So yeah, that pretty much sums up what my issues were. Edit: I decided to take a few minutes and glance through the episodes again. I won't lie, I definitely enjoyed the majority of the first half. The first episode caught my interest, and then the second episode really turned up the heat, literally! I enjoyed all the different story arcs, the oracle, psychotic toddler, and the police chief. From episode 13 onward it completely went downhill for me, it was enough to ruin the rest of it. |
LostSpectreFeb 1, 2013 7:04 PM
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| Well said. I appreciate your effort in sharing your view on Mirai Nikki. When I started watching it recently I was expecting major plot holes which was highlighted by most review website. At worst all I could see are plot development bordering on being random, which isn't all that bad in itself. After reading your view on it I think I begin to understand how others view the shows. For that, you have my thanks. For me, I do believe the worst part of the show is the introduction of Hinata and Mao. I'm fine with Akise being the one who slowly expose the plot twist of the show, Kousaka being the sidekick who's supposed to knock some sense into our MC but the Hinata/Mao pairing never grew on me. Hinata's arc is rather tame compared to the rest as it serves to highlight the characterization of Akise rather than introducing interesting plot into the show. The 7ths couple arc is cliche and relies heavily on the mood to set things up; which differs from person to person. Though I supposed somewhere near the end I find the show redeeming itself. Edit: Oh, and of course, the background music. I love shows that know when to insert some epic/melancholic soundtrack at the right moment. The opportunity are abundance in this show and I think they did well on that. Guess this'll be my last entry for the topic. |
Most of this explanation seems plausible for her not using God powers except for one key point: She resets time in world 2 once the Deus of that world is dead, but Yukki is still alive. Soo how does she have access to that world's Deus powers/core if she shouldn't be granted them unless she wins? Only logical thing I can think of is that she already won, so she already has powers but just chooses not to use them to hide that fact and give her another chance to "win" the right way. This issue could have been minimized had Deus's powers actually been explained a bit better. Heck, even Yukki asking what being a God means and Deus saying, "You'll see when you get there," would have at least implied that there probably are limitations, or else that the God himself determines his own abilities. It at least would have been a recognition that yes, you get powers, and no, we're not necessarily saying what those are. They also could have done a better job setting up this revelation by having Yuno occasionally knowing things she shouldn't know and that weren't in her diary (she could have said they were, then you show the audience a flash of her diary screen to show that no, that info in fact was not in her diary). That way, if they were going for the "Yuno's already played so she knows how this all goes down" would have had ample setup and made perfect sense. If her goal was to win with Yukki after all, shouldn't she have steered him towards certain conclusions? But even if you re-watch the show, she never acts like she already knows who the other players are or how most of the encounters will go. So adding subtle hints here and there would have made it obvious that this plot twist was always intentional and not just randomly thrown in. And the whole "Oh, well she had some amnesia stuff" does not excuse it since that's usually a device writers use when they don't think things out in advance or they want something easy to explain away any inconsistencies. Even if you're going to use it, at the point at which she no longer suffered from it, there should have been an obvious shift in her behavior hinting at something else at work. But from what I can see, there wasn't. |
TsumayoujiFeb 4, 2013 2:04 AM
| Wouldn't it be the same reason why she killed the second Yuno? She doesn't want to tip of Dues and letting him know that she is actually God. Obviously what can rival a god other then a god? Not to mention with Yuno knowing everything that will happen she can continue playing the game and get a <happy ending> then repeating it. I'm guessing she does want to get her <happy ending> then repeat. I'm guessing she fears of Yuki became god she might fear they grow apart so it's safer to just keep repeating and replaying the game. Just how I think she was thinking. |
With the hype within me dying down, I hope I could phrase myself better without sounding so forceful as perceived by others. What I'm about to offer is a different view on the situation with neither contradiction to the premise nor solid proof to base it on. Firstly, assuming by time reset you meant time traveling back to Third World, it's entirely the work of First World Muru-muru and 9th. There's no indication of Yuki/Yuno involved in any way; they are simply dragged along. Furthermore, Yuno does not exhibit any hint of extraordinary power throughout the series. To clarify, Muru-muru is capable of time traveling, at least, and 9th goes without saying after ascending to demigod status. What they can't do, however, is recreating a new world from 'nothingness' as suggested by Second World Muru-muru in the anime/manga ending and episode 26 Blu-ray Muru-muru corner. Secondly, Yuno is not 'granted' Deus' core. Instead, it was given to her by First World Muru-muru who obtained Deus' core after Deus' death as shown in episode 23. Extra Info: Thirdly, Yuno's amnesia is cured prior to the beginning of the survival game. The purpose of her amnesia by First World Muru-muru is to avoid suspicion from Deus throughout the one year till the beginning of the survival game. As stated, this is proven by her referring to Yuki by his given name instead of Amano-kun. To address your inquiry as to why Yuno doesn't exhibit any hint of knowing the survival game, I will be referring to the scene where Muru-muru shown Yuki incidents from the First World. Only 4 incidents were shown, which is the 5th, 7th, 9th (school bombing incident) and 12th. I do believe Yuno had recollection of the survival game from the First World but ever since Yuki opened the door to the corpse room, the course of event is altered to the point where although the setting is similar, everything else is different. To back my point with weak evidences, Yuki became more cowardly which prompted Yuno to consistently take the lead and the distrust between Yuki and Yuno complicates the matter for her. It is shown that Yuno is supposed to strangle 5th in First World but it did not occur in Second World due to the growing distrust between Yuki and Yuno. Furthermore, 4th's betrayal occurred later in the First World and earlier in the Second World due to Muru-muru tipping 4th on his son's condition. The rest are mere speculations without solid proof. Finally, I deemed our view on the situation differ to begin with. As far as I could tell, you believe Yuno was amnesic and her recovery occurred unannounced while I believe her action of altering the past and Yuki opening the door to the corpse room leads to different course of event. Though of course, that may be the aftereffect of having watched Steins;Gate. Trivia I just noticed: In response to MidnightPride: Yuno's motive all along is to spend more time with Yuki. Or more specifically and slightly contradictory, it's to 'preserve' the memory of them being together hence she doesn't mind if either she or Yuki continues living and preserve it. Throughout the series she repeats the 'Happy End' because First World Yuki opted for double suicide while Second World Yuki refuses to kill her, which will eventually lead to either Yuno killing Yuki or another attempt at double suicide. Yuno scorn the idea since if both of them die, resulting in the end of the world, all 'proof' of their love will be erased. Might be due to the fansub I watched but that's how I perceived it. |
KenjimaxFeb 6, 2013 1:58 AM
| She survived the kid zapping her to almost-death.. I think she was just hiding the fact that she was god all along.. |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
| Wait a sec isnt it was different way? Yuno become god > she travels in time to get into next game so she can spend more time with Yukkiteru > shes spending her time with Yukki dont leting anyone to hurt him, while she still got her god powers. |
| Some people just want to call things "plot-holes" when they just don't understand what's happening in the anime. Sure, there are some plot holes that exist but they aren't really shoved in your face - but some of you analyze and scrutinize every point and detail within a series. Get over it. |
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gigglingidiot said: Some people just want to call things "plot-holes" when they just don't understand what's happening in the anime. Sure, there are some plot holes that exist but they aren't really shoved in your face - but some of you analyze and scrutinize every point and detail within a series. Get over it. You're saying that they aren't plot-holes, people just don't understand what's happening. But then you say that they are plot-holes, but they shouldn't be an issue because they aren't obvious? If they really weren't obvious, then no one would have reason to scrutinize them. I'm not speaking for Mirai Nikki though, I realized the error in my judgment. |
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| She didn't technically go back in time. She created an entirely different dimension that happened to be in a previous time period. Thus, that dimension had its own Deus and Murmur and such. Yuno's power only existed in the first world. |
Solvite said: She didn't technically go back in time. She created an entirely different dimension that happened to be in a previous time period. Thus, that dimension had its own Deus and Murmur and such. Yuno's power only existed in the first world. How is that an explanation? Of course she went back in time. She created an alternate time line when she changed the past, but that wouldn't mean she loses her powers. It honestly doesn't matter if that world already has a Deus, she could have killed him and taken over if she so desired. She is already able to kill her past self, that's proof her existence isn't dependent on anything from that time line. I don't care anymore what happened in Mirai Nikki, just pointing out the errors in your thinking. |
LostSpectreFeb 16, 2013 2:36 AM
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| Well, I do believe LostSpectre is correct on that one. Her exact wish is 'Going back to the time when Yukiteru's still alive' if the fansub doesn't fail me. The author's lack of description about how Godhood works will just render everything into guesses. Right now I had a new addendum to add. Why didn't anyone thought of the fact that when Deus died, the Second World ended. So killing Deus is a big no in the first place. Furthermore, although Yuno won in the First World, she's regarded as a player in the Second World, it's a new game and you can't just cut corner saying Yuki should won just because Yuno's won before in another game. Whether Yuno still had her Godhood aside, it's counterproductive for her nevertheless. I mean, try imagining her revealing that she's a stalker AND a god to Yukiteru. Since her dearest wish is to be with Yuki, I doubt he'll like the idea what with Yuki being Yuki. That said, I disagree that just because Yuno could kill her past self, she can kill Deus. Given, as long as First World Yuno took over the role of Second World Yuno, the flow of causality won't be affected that much. However, the loss of a God would be severe or at least it should be given how most of the population view God as omnipotent and such. The problem I had with acknowledging Yuno being a God is that, as I've said, she did nothing Godly. And she died from a stab wound to her side. And, she had to 'make a wish' to travel back in time rather than being badass and do everything herself. And, Yuki had to return to Second World to sulk for 10,000 years rather than trolling the viewer and kill Third World Yuki. So, yeah. |
KenjimaxFeb 16, 2013 4:39 PM
Kenjimax said: Well, I do believe LostSpectre is correct on that one. Her exact wish is 'Going back to the time when Yukiteru's still alive' if the fansub doesn't fail me. The author's lack of description about how Godhood works will just render everything into guesses. Right now I had a new addendum to add. Why didn't anyone thought of the fact that when Deus died, the Second World ended. So killing Deus is a big no in the first place. Furthermore, although Yuno won in the First World, she's regarded as a player in the Second World, it's a new game and you can't just cut corner saying Yuki should won just because Yuno's won before in another game. Whether Yuno still had her Godhood aside, it's counterproductive for her nevertheless. I mean, try imagining her revealing that she's a stalker AND a god to Yukiteru. Since her dearest wish is to be with Yuki, I doubt he'll like the idea what with Yuki being Yuki. That said, I disagree that just because Yuno could kill her past self, she can kill Deus. Given, as long as First World Yuno took over the role of Second World Yuno, the flow of causality won't be affected that much. However, the loss of a God would be severe or at least it should be given how most of the population view God as omnipotent and such. The problem I had with acknowledging Yuno being a God is that, as I've said, she did nothing Godly. And she died from a stab wound to her side. And, she had to 'make a wish' to travel back in time rather than being badass and do everything herself. And, Yuki had to return to Second World to sulk for 10,000 years rather than trolling the viewer and kill Third World Yuki. So, yeah. Well, as long as we're just arguing inconsequential, theoretical possibilities, I'll play along. I'm not sure why killing Deus would end the 2nd world. Yuno should have all the powers of Deus and could therefore sustain the world after he dies. I'm curious now though, wouldn't the world she left behind have been destroyed? If that's the case I have even more respect for Yuno now, she's truly insane. Yeah, being a God would complicate things when she goes back, so whether she is or not she would have wanted to hide it. If she was a God it would have made perfect sense that Yuki would be the last one standing, otherwise as it is it seems like it was just by chance. True, killing a God is quite severe, but then so is controlling the very nature of space and time. I agree with you, she wasn't a God in the anime or at least I don't think they ever gave us that impression. She had formidable combat skills that were slightly unrealistic, but it didn't necessarily point to her being a God. I think if done right it could have made for a much better story though, then again I think they should have done a lot of things differently. |
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| I duly concur with part of your commentary. As stated beforehand, I view Deus' core as the bind that holds the Second World till it's final moment. After yet another brief viewing of the epilogue, I noticed that with the ascension of Yuki as the successor of Deus, the 'death' of the world itself simply came to a halt. If his mere presence could do so, why wasn't it stopped when Yuno's still alive? On the contrary, however, if your interest ever brought you to explore the full epilogue of the manga, the fact that Second World Yuki is able to ascend to the status of God with Third World Yuno within the Third World, albeit with the consent of Deus, is slightly contradictory by itself. That is, was the possibility of having two person as Gods due to the fact that they're both God of different worlds or was it due to Deus' consent? I'd my doubt on the formal since Deus deliberately mention that he would be glad to have the both of them to succeed him rather than inviting him over or something similar. Unless, of course, our dear scanlator failed us. Leaving that aside, I doubt Yuno's as insane as you think. Ever since the disaster struck Second World, the inhabitants had simply disappeared. I acknowledged that as the unwillingness of the author to diverge further from the essence of the story. Surely, realistic occurrence such as mass panic, despair and atrocities doesn't play a role in the tale to be told. Nevertheless, I reckoned their deaths are simply imminent with the lack of a true Diary Holder and proceeds. Regarding Gasai Yuno's uncanny skill, I supposed it's just personal preference. First and foremost, she's a winner and no one wins without a trick or two up their sleeve. Secondly, with the intention of redundancy, the whole basis of Mirai Nikki is that they 'won' and things spiraled downward thereafter. As a fantasy lover, I enjoy the randomness of Mirai Nikki simply because it's fresh with above par execution from the studio. Though I supposed in a sense, you would prefer if Mirai Nikki revolved around First World itself while emphasizing on world building and characterization? That is, better fleshed out characters, believable combat tactics and in-depth insight on Deus' origin, function and motives. If done right, it could surpass Mirai Nikki although it will be at the cost of the largest plot twist which is the core of the show. Lastly, there's simply no reason for Yuki to win nor lose. It's akin to inquire why Okabe Rintarou had Reading Steiner. After deliberate consideration, I decided to shortened this section. Rather than Yuki's victory making perfect sense, if Yuki was to lose it would make even less sense. The tale will devolved into a blend of Puella Magi and Steins;Gate which I would not go into specifics to avoid spoilers. It would suffice to say the Mirai Nikki that was published was simply the most interesting 'world' out of countless that was available. Though I supposed I neither manage to provide a satisfactory answer to your initial question nor sway your opinion even in the slightest despite all this. Nevertheless, I'm glad I came here since it reaffirms my view on the show while discovering obscure trivia which boosted my fondness of Mirai Nikki. |
LostSpectre said: Solvite said: She didn't technically go back in time. She created an entirely different dimension that happened to be in a previous time period. Thus, that dimension had its own Deus and Murmur and such. Yuno's power only existed in the first world. How is that an explanation? Of course she went back in time. She created an alternate time line when she changed the past, but that wouldn't mean she loses her powers. It honestly doesn't matter if that world already has a Deus, she could have killed him and taken over if she so desired. She is already able to kill her past self, that's proof her existence isn't dependent on anything from that time line. I don't care anymore what happened in Mirai Nikki, just pointing out the errors in your thinking. You really think someone who only takes Dues power actually can pair up to the original? Also your thinking like a ordinary person keep in mind the only thing she is concerned with is Yuki and [Happy End] everything revolves on achieving that. Doing things outside of the order could result in the Happy Ending not being there |
MidnightPride said: LostSpectre said: Solvite said: She didn't technically go back in time. She created an entirely different dimension that happened to be in a previous time period. Thus, that dimension had its own Deus and Murmur and such. Yuno's power only existed in the first world. How is that an explanation? Of course she went back in time. She created an alternate time line when she changed the past, but that wouldn't mean she loses her powers. It honestly doesn't matter if that world already has a Deus, she could have killed him and taken over if she so desired. She is already able to kill her past self, that's proof her existence isn't dependent on anything from that time line. I don't care anymore what happened in Mirai Nikki, just pointing out the errors in your thinking. You really think someone who only takes Dues power actually can pair up to the original? Also your thinking like a ordinary person keep in mind the only thing she is concerned with is Yuki and [Happy End] everything revolves on achieving that. Doing things outside of the order could result in the Happy Ending not being there I do think she could have compared to Deus, after all he was dying. I didn't say she would/should have killed him, she didn't care about that. The only point I made was that she did go back in time, albeit creating a parallel universe, and that she wouldn't have lost her power for any foreseeable reason. |
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| @Kenjimax I don't want to quote all that because I only have something brief to say. She's not that crazy!? LOL I like that she's insane, but I think the show went a little overboard on that. There's no question in my mind she's completely insane, what about the scene where she took him prisoner, complete with her parents SKULLS and everything. I'm alright with it though, but that girl is straight up crazy. No question. |
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| Again, Yuno is only a God in world 1. In World 2 Deus was still alive, meaning he was the God of that world. Near the end of the anime, Deus dies, giving half of his power to the bomb girl, and half of it to Murmur, who then gave the power to Yuno. Yuno does not win the world 2 game because she is a god. She wins it because she has experience, and already knows the jist of what everyone was going to do to win. Edit: Yuno was bat shit insane. And at the end, she completely forgoes all redemption and sticks Yukki with being alone for all eternity. |
Solvite said: Again, Yuno is only a God in world 1. In World 2 Deus was still alive, meaning he was the God of that world. Near the end of the anime, Deus dies, giving half of his power to the bomb girl, and half of it to Murmur, who then gave the power to Yuno. Yuno does not win the world 2 game because she is a god. She wins it because she has experience, and already knows the jist of what everyone was going to do to win. Edit: Yuno was bat shit insane. And at the end, she completely forgoes all redemption and sticks Yukki with being alone for all eternity. The God of time and space loses his/her power if they travel back in time? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I know in the anime she isn't a God in world 2, that much is obvious. They were always going to win the game, that's the story after all. Bat shit insane, no argument here. As for the last part, that's a BS statement. She was still ready to kill the 3rd world Yuno and her parents before Yuki showed up. It wasn't until he came back for her did she come to her senses. She came to terms with her life, and accepted the time she was able to spend with Yuki, even if it was short lived. I imagine she would have realized it was wrong what she did, to kill Yuki and steal him from another world. There's simply no way she could have ever killed him now, so she makes the only choice that she could. Yes, he's left alone, but I honestly don't buy that emo for 10,000 years crap for a second. What a complete joke. |
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LostSpectre said: Solvite said: Again, Yuno is only a God in world 1. In World 2 Deus was still alive, meaning he was the God of that world. Near the end of the anime, Deus dies, giving half of his power to the bomb girl, and half of it to Murmur, who then gave the power to Yuno. Yuno does not win the world 2 game because she is a god. She wins it because she has experience, and already knows the jist of what everyone was going to do to win. Edit: Yuno was bat shit insane. And at the end, she completely forgoes all redemption and sticks Yukki with being alone for all eternity. The God of time and space loses his/her power if they travel back in time? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I know in the anime she isn't a God in world 2, that much is obvious. They were always going to win the game, that's the story after all. Bat shit insane, no argument here. As for the last part, that's a BS statement. She was still ready to kill the 3rd world Yuno and her parents before Yuki showed up. It wasn't until he came back for her did she come to her senses. She came to terms with her life, and accepted the time she was able to spend with Yuki, even if it was short lived. I imagine she would have realized it was wrong what she did, to kill Yuki and steal him from another world. There's simply no way she could have ever killed him now, so she makes the only choice that she could. Yes, he's left alone, but I honestly don't buy that emo for 10,000 years crap for a second. What a complete joke. Again, she didn't go back in time. She created an entirely different universe in which Deus was still alive, meaning NO ONE WAS GOD BUT DEUS. |
Solvite said: Again, she didn't go back in time. She created an entirely different universe in which Deus was still alive, meaning NO ONE WAS GOD BUT DEUS. Maybe you don't understand the concept of time travel. It doesn't matter that she creates an alternate timeline, she still goes back in time. You don't have to stay in your own timeline to go back in time. It doesn't matter if Deus was alive or not, her being a God is not in any way dependent on the Deus of this timeline. I don't care what happened in the anime, just pointing out the flaws in your logic. |
LostSpectreFeb 19, 2013 12:06 PM
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froskyfrost said: FrostToaster said: Wasn't Minene able to use her powers in the 3rd World .. same with Yuno? I think she either held her powers or gave them away so she could live out another normal life with Yuki. Side question: Why does Muru muru talk funny? i think u guys are missing the point here. MurMur altered her memory in order for her to blend in to world #2. The reason being dues of world #2 will find out of her existence and consider here as an interference which will then make yuno unable to be with yukki. Since her memory was altered she didn't remember that she is a god and she had powers. She only retained her fighting instincts and quick wits which is hardwired into her body. the only part which is unclear is the last part. where yukki's diary changed yuno has visted him in the empty world. It shows lights appearing bit by bit and sounds of stuff breaking. which means yukki was trapped in something and yuno is breaking into it to see yukki. That would have made sense, the problem is that she is not a God nor does she have any powers in World 2, as is evident by the fact she can die. The only reason she is able to trap Yuki in a fake reality is because she used a shard that contained some of Deus's power. I forget how she got it exactly, but she doesn't have any powers of her own. |
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froskyfrost said: no actually i agree with solvite. she didnt go back in time. She just basically went in another dimension. thats why they call it world 1 2 3. just that since she can manipulate time and space, she went back to a time earlier. isnt that a very good explanation? It's irrelevant that she was unable to go back in time in the original timeline. She went back to the past, regardless of which timeline she arrived back in, she still traveled back in time. Your analysis is correct, but you're confused on what actually defines "time-travel". |
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animewatcher123 said: Stop, they even said @ the 22-25 episodes that they time-hopped, time traveled. They didn't make a new universe, they just traveled back in time and because of that it is world 2 for the one that were actually from world 1. No-way they made another world, because Deus had most of the power while Yuno won the 1st game... See, now you're just as confused as they are. When Yuno went back in time she created an alternate timeline. Creating an alternate timeline and creating a second world/universe are basically the same thing.Technically, all the different worlds are the same Earth, but yet they exist in their own timelines. |
LostSpectreFeb 21, 2013 5:47 PM
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| Highly improbable. To accept your viewpoint is to acknowledged that Mirai Nikki is a show chock-full of symbolism which it isn't simply because there's a lack of emphasize on that aspect. Given how direct the approach is, I doubt Mirai Nikki is anything akin to Mawaru Penguindrum. hydrophil said: He is calling himself Deus ex machina, a plot device which he does not seem to embody. He starts the game thus the story/problems. He does not solve a single one. He does not even show godly powers. The diaries are created by someone else. The one time he wants to violate the game's rules (by erasing Yuki and Yuno's existence) he gets interrupted. His powers described as being over time and space are fading which is an over-time effect. However, I concur with the above quote. From my viewpoint, the main flaw of the show is establishing Deus ex Machina as 'God', a term which is already globally recognized in the world. Despite sharing the same 'Title', it is obvious that God in the world of Mirai Nikki functions in a significantly different way compared to conventional belief in our world. Yet, despite such contradictions (e.g. God's dying, lack of direct intervention against those trespassing their realm, insufficient display of their power), the author went ahead with the plot with any revelation on the interaction between Gods and their World. As stated by LostSpectre, he perceived the fact that Yuno could die as a proof that she's not a God. That's the problem when you're using such a well-established term. It's common to assume God as omnipotent/omniscience/omnipresent/immortal and such. Then came this show that basically wreck that ideal although he's using the same term. In retrospect, the author could've opted for a better entity than God. Perhaps a race/species that governs the universe and passed on the responsibility every few centuries. Or established God as an elected individual which govern the world for a fixed amount of time. Or just simply flesh out the current ideal that the author's thinking of to make it distinctly different from the stereotype. Even I'm quite surprised when I realized from LostSpectre's statement that 'Yuno' presumably died by her own hand when she's still a God. Nevertheless; as reiterated numerous times, the author simply wants us to enjoy the interaction and conflicts between the characters rather than questioning the legibility of matters or fleshing out the world. It's evident that Deus is simply the premise while Muru-muru is the plot twist. There's not much flashback on world Genesis or anything alike. This is literally a situation where you accept or deny everything. Since they didn't say anything about Yuno losing her Godhood, then fine, she's still a God. Since Yuno could die while she's a God, then fine, God can die (perhaps out of their own will). And if we're wondering why Yuno can't just do recreate the world but wanted to create time paradox, it's stated that dead people can't be revived. Then there's the trend of questioning why Yuno doesn't go gun blazing on Dues; rather than wondering whether he's capable of it. There's simply not enough facts to support the ideal that God in Mirai Nikki is as conventional as how we normally perceive it. And Bible ain't helping here. Tl;dr: I blame the fact that the author establish Deus as God rather than anything else. |
KenjimaxMar 1, 2013 4:05 PM
| These are some great ideas . I know its old but having just recently finished the show id like to add that i think simplest way to put it is of course she has god powers but she couldn't use them for a couple reasons 1. Murmur blocked off those points of Yunos memories so Deus wouldn't have known shes already a winner. Thus her not even remembering she had god powers to begin with. And 2. Even if she did remember she couldn't use them since again that would expose herself to Deus same as when she didn't immediately unlock the safe door to kill 11th since Yuki opened "that" room and changing the events that Yuno lived through the first time. It will lead to the disbelief that shes not the real one. So if she had used the retinal scanner right away it would have exposed her to be the real one and the question of why theres a 3rd body with matching dna. All those amazing skills she has can defiantly be contributed to the first game since we all know shes a beast lol and had to kill everyone so of course she'd be good at it a second time. And Yuno is the heart of the show :3 for many reasons. |
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