| Who would win between these two Lelouch Lamprouge or Light Yagami? I find this to be a tough question to answer considering that there are endless possibiities. |
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| If they did exist in the same world and era they would probably be allies, since they both favor Japan, but I think Lelouch would lose because Light could easily just write Lelouch name down since he's always on the news. |
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| Intellect-wise, Light came off ahead to me (this based off a 'feeling' however). And theres also the fact that Light is willing to sacrifice basically anyone to achieve his goals, whereas Lelouch will abandon his goal to keep those close to him safe, which also works against Lelouch. However theres a lot of factors that would come up if they were to face each other, would they know what the other looked like? What their name was? Would Lelouch have the black knights to rely on? Would Kira already be famous along with his ability to kill with heart attacks? I don't really think you can select a clear winner. |
| I agreee with you Astaroth. As for MikeRyan even if they did become allies. Either Lelouch or Light would kill one or the other because if they both realized that each has a great power. There can only be one with a great power in each of their eyes. Not to mention even though Lelouch is on TV all the time, he is under a mask so it really wouldnt matter whether or not Light saw him on TV. |
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| Haha didn't put that into thought, but personally I think lelouch is wiser at least in strategy. Lelouch could easily use his eye to find things out. If he talked to any member of L's group he could figure out that their main suspect is Light and their's evidence that supports this. He could then just ask Light himself if he is Kira and if he is tell him to kill himself or just tell someone else to kill him. |
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| The main advantage Lelouch actually has is the Geass. They both have hidden identities, and essentially the same level of intellect and skill, but the Death Note is obviously something supernatural, while the Geass isn't something any rational person would come up with as an explanation- it would just be assumed that he was persuasive or has excellent planning and information gathering. That gives him a valuable trump card that could ultimately give him the victory. Lelouch also has a larger intelligence network just because it's underground, which initially gives him an easier time of discerning Light's identity in the first place. And on top of all that, CC actually wants Lelouch to stay alive, and presumably cannot be killed by a Death Note, while Ryuk really doesn't care at all what happens to Light. Allies make a difference. As to them working together- Light is a sociopath. Lelouch cares about people. Eventually Light is going to make Lelouch angry for that reason- after all, one of the main reasons he wants revenge in the first place was because the Emperor didn't care about Marianne's death. Pride and all that aside, it's a matter of moral difference as well. Light would win any sort of physical fight in a matter of seconds though. |
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| This one is hard. If they meet facet to face Lelouch could easily use is geass to kill Light, and Light has the disadvantage of not knowing Leloch True name. If Light doesn't get the helo of anyone with shinigami eyes i think Leloch wins (unless Suzaku decides to give away lelocuh identity) |
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| depends.... if light felt threatened by zero and REALLY wanted to kill him b4 he got close enough to find out light is kira then he could just use the death note on say charels (a very well known person whos full name would be easy to come by) to "at 4:15 p.m. announce Zero's real identity all over japan then die of heart attack" then he has lelouch's full name... how ever i think zero will first try to find kira (geassing everyone to tell him what they know about kira) and if he gets close to light its all over... so basically its who makes the first move who determines who wins... (personally i believe light is the better strategist even though i like lelouch more) |
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| Wow, you guys have some really awesome ideas. I, myself, think that Lelouch has the batter chance because he would probably be under his mask 95% of the time. Plus, Light has to have the name and/or face of someone before he can actually kill them. And, He couldnt write in the Death Note for Zero to show his true identity if he didnt know his true identity. So, I really think Lelouch has the better chance. |
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Shikas_shadow said: depends.... if light felt threatened by zero and REALLY wanted to kill him b4 he got close enough to find out light is kira then he could just use the death note on say charels (a very well known person whos full name would be easy to come by) to "at 4:15 p.m. announce Zero's real identity all over japan then die of heart attack" then he has lelouch's full name... how ever i think zero will first try to find kira (geassing everyone to tell him what they know about kira) and if he gets close to light its all over... so basically its who makes the first move who determines who wins... (personally i believe light is the better strategist even though i like lelouch more) I would say that Light is a better investigator, while Lelouch is a better strategist. It's a matter of training, in that sense. They're about equal in ability as a result, just used to different applications, although Light would gain an edge from his if it wasn't for people like Diethard in the Black Knights. The only real question I have with that is how Light would know who knew Zero's true name? I mean, unless you actually knew that Charles was his father, there's not really a way to infer that, and within the organization the only person that obviously knew from the beginning was CC, who can't be killed with a Death Note. Also, the Shinigami's eyes don't really matter when he's facing a masked terrorist, although he is the kind of target Light would like to subject to justice. |
| 世界は美しくなんかない。 そしてそれ故に、美しい |
| I think we should state what exactly we are comparing. If we're comparing intelligence, we shouldn't talk about abilities. In which case, I think Light would win. Cause Light outwitted L and I always thought L and Lelouch were on-par deduction-wise. Like when Lelouch deduced Cornelia wasn't attacking tower cause Euphie was trapped. But, abilities-wise, Lelouch would have advantage cause L was able to find Light pretty easily and Lelouch could find him out too but Lelouch's identity was very hard for anyone to find so Light won't be able to find Lelouch so easily.... |
| I may have picked Lelouch over Light. But its still a close call. There are many factors to consider. So its is still very difficult to pick a clear winner. |
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Crenshinibon said: The only real question I have with that is how Light would know who knew Zero's true name? the reason i said to use charles is b/c hes the emperor of britainia and therefore is most likly to know the real identity of zero, especially after announcing that they defeated zero (begining of season 2) i agree light would not know charles was Zero's dad but seeing as how hes the highest ranked offical ud think he would know the identity of at least the "old" Zero... and if charles announces that the old zero was lelouch, and lelouch is still alive walking around... |
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| Light. He is too smart and is willing to make sacrifices, even of people he loves. Lelouch isn't ruthless enough. |
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Now that would be a match for the ages. I think Lelouch would win because if he can just get Light to see straight in his face long enough he could use his Geass and force Light to kill himself. But if Light were to have the Shinigami eyes he could win because all he needs to do is hide and write down Lelouch's name, but doesn't have that power so he's kind of screwed right there (unless he already knows Lelouch's full name). But the winner would be: Lelouch Lamperouge. |
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| Light is that one anime character I utterly hate and despise, so Lelouch =D Light would first have to figure out that Lelouch's last name is really Vi Britiannia and not Lamperouge, and all Lelouch would have to do is hide his face behind his Zero mask and Geass Light to kill himself. |
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| Light needs a name and a face. Since practically no one knows Lelouch's true identity and the fact he has a mask he could just Geass Light and kill him. Light has nothing if he can't use the Death Note. |
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| Well here could be hard. Just think Light write someone's name of OotBK (like diethard or ohgi) to kill Zero and thats it he don't need to know who is Zero because he can command what to do to those who's name was writen in Death Note. So I believe that Light would win. |
| ^What? If I understood correctly, Light can't do that. |
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| He can. He can write what to do before death to those who name was writen in Death Note. In R1 it is impossible, but in R2 it is possible for him. |
| wow... I agree - that would be an epic battle. Let's see... What Styrius Said is actually true, however it does not have a 100% success rate. Basically he could write "Ohgi Kaname, at 16:18 kills Zero, then dies of heart attack". However if Lelouch were able to dodge that attack somehow/someone would defend him, or Ohgi ould be far away - it wouldn't work. You have to note that in this example, Ohgi could only use "normal" methods - Knife, gun, piano wire - whatever was available ATM, also I think that the instructions are fading away after some time... after all if you would capture him - he would have to live forever until he fulfills that order, which - as we have already seen - does not work that way. I also agree about the second name point. Light would have to know that Lelouch's real name was vi Britannia, and not Lamperouge, besides he would have to know Lelouch's face. it is also true that Lelouch-Dono is a little bit too kind for his own good - this makes him much more likeable character than Kira, but if they were to face each other, it would certainly be his undoing. Kira is wiling to sacrifice anyone and everyone who stand on his way. Lelouch does not want to sacrifice those who are close to him, and - again as we have already seen - it causes him alot of pain. In the end... there are also alot of other factors, like Astaroth said - assuming that it's Kira who comes into play, an Zero's forces are already developed... I think Kira might have a bit of advantage, called "the element of surprise". If he only managed to stay "quiet" long enough to get close to OotBK - I believe he could win. What comes into play here is their ability to use strategical thinking though - which like some said already, is domain of Lelouch-Dono. Kira actually made some critical mistakes - like in the beginning, he didn't take into account that the whole "I am L and I declare war on you" is only a facade to find out where is he. If Zero did not have OotBK... It's interesting. On one hand, he would not have a force to investigate Kira. On the other hand - there would be probably no people who know his true identity, except C.C., who we assume is immune to Death Note. What is crucial though is their abilities I think. If Lelouch knew Kira's name - he could easily order anyone from around him to kill him. Kira would need to know Lelouch's real name AND face to kill him directly, or have perfect timing in ordering someone to do so. I believe Geass is much more "stable" than Death note - this means that target will go anywhere within his abilities to fulfill an order. Death Note loses at this point, because if you are not within range of your secondary objective (primary being your death), you automatically die. So in this aspect - Zero wins. though it's hard to clearly point out the winner. Personally I think Lelouch is a bit more cunning strategist, while Light has the advantage of complete lack of moral code. But yeah, if it was a physical competition, Kira would definitely win XD |
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Boge said: If they ever met, lulu could use the geass to force an answer from him. Are you kira? yes=blam, no = that person is safe, next one... if that ever happened, i agree that lelouch will defeat him. |
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Boge said: If they ever met, lulu could use the geass to force an answer from him. Are you kira? yes=blam, no = that person is safe, next one... Why? Just kill him. |
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| Lelouch would most likely use the geass on Light to wright Light's name in the death note |
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| And interesting thought experimet. Hope this becomes an anime one day :D If Lelouch and light would meet in combat, Lelouch would win simply becasu he can geas his opponent while lights death note is more of a far range weapon. And if that wouldn't work he could use a knightmare. Thought you can say Lelouch's geas is superior to Lights death note it has one mayor disadvantage, it can only be used once each person. So Light could trick him into using his geas on him for some trivial thing. If Lelouch would have met light he would deffinitly make him write the names of his enemies in the death note. A great advantage of Light is that if he gets a list of personel of the black knights he could kill them all. Then again you might say Lelouch has allies while Light doesn't, that can easly be fixed be killing half a goverment a threaten the rest to obey him or die. the one that would ulitmatly win would be the one that figured out the other identity. Light could then easly kil using the death note so could Lelouch by ordering someone to kill him. It would be a most interesting fight that in no wy would be decided before it begins. |
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Boblejim said: And interesting thought experimet. Hope this becomes an anime one day :D If Lelouch and light would meet in combat, Lelouch would win simply becasu he can geas his opponent while lights death note is more of a far range weapon. And if that wouldn't work he could use a knightmare. Thought you can say Lelouch's geas is superior to Lights death note it has one mayor disadvantage, it can only be used once each person. So Light could trick him into using his geas on him for some trivial thing. If Lelouch would have met light he would deffinitly make him write the names of his enemies in the death note. A great advantage of Light is that if he gets a list of personel of the black knights he could kill them all. Then again you might say Lelouch has allies while Light doesn't, that can easly be fixed be killing half a goverment a threaten the rest to obey him or die. the one that would ulitmatly win would be the one that figured out the other identity. Light could then easly kil using the death note so could Lelouch by ordering someone to kill him. It would be a most interesting fight that in no wy would be decided before it begins. None of the advantages you stated for Light would work. Geass works once per person, true, but Lelouch would kill him anyway. It'd be practically impossible for Light to get a list of Black Knight members. The fight would be over a few seconds after it starts. Lelouch has an army, giant mechs, and a secret identity. Light would be screwed XD. |
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| Unless he said "I know who killed Marianne" Lelouch might get tricked. |
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| But to use such argument, Kira would have to know Lelouch's identity or motives. Decide for yourself which information is harder to obtain. |
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Boge said: Light needs to know their faces too. And I believe Lulu is way too smart to be tricked into using it on a trivial matter. Not really, in the Code geas series Lelouch often use geas on normal military for relatively small issues. So if Light could find Lelouch dress up as a police / military and do something that Lelouch want to change. It's true that tht is a hard thing to do, but lets not underestimate that they both are very intelligent persons. Lelouch can very well use his geas on relatively small matters as long as he thinks the person isn't that important. |
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CCs_No1_Fanboy said: None of the advantages you stated for Light would work. Geass works once per person, true, but Lelouch would kill him anyway. It'd be practically impossible for Light to get a list of Black Knight members. The fight would be over a few seconds after it starts. Lelouch has an army, giant mechs, and a secret identity. Light would be screwed XD. Since Light has the power to kill anyone he knows the face and name of he could wery easliy get all the info he want's from known people. He could do this by writing their names in the death note and ordering them to write down the info Light want before he dies. As for a fight beetwen Light and Lelouch. Light could obtain and army,giant mechs and a secret identity. It isn't to hard to blackmail your self to power when it is known that you seemingly can kill anyone without being there. |
| In Oda we trust. |
| But the Death Note only kills. You can't give people orders w/ it. |
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| You can, to some extent. "At 11:50 pm Fanboy shouts loudly "I LOVE C.C.!" then dies of heart attack". As long as the command is within your abilities, the person will execute it. |
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| You can also, say do that and tht if not i will kill you with the death note. True it isn't as reliable as the geas, but then you can gice the order from the other side of earth if you want. As we know Light wouldn't hesitate with killing somebody that disobeys. |
| In Oda we trust. |
| Hmm. It's pretty simple. If Light knows Lulu, Lulu is screwed. If Light and Lulu have eye contact, Lulu would probably just tell him to forget about the whole thing, and Ryuk would tell Light what happened, and then Light would kill lulu that way xD |
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| I say Lulu! even thought I haven't seen Deathnote :D |
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| This question is way too open. It all depends on the hypothetical situations the two characters are placed in. Light holds the element of surprise as a trump card, whereas Lelouch holds the power of Geass along with an entire armed force. Light could win, but I'd say the odds are definitely in Lelouch's favor for most circumstances. Light needs to know both who Lelouch is and that he is Lelouch vi Britannia, not Lelouch Lamperouge. This information would be much harder to acquire than for Lelouch to find out who Light is, considering the resources available to Lelouch, not to mention the fact that if Lelouch was aware of a plot on his life, he'd be on alert for any suspicious activity. |
| Lelouch would easily win, no one can deny it >_> Light's Death Note isn't enough. |
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| I'd say it depends on if Lelouch is in his Zero suit or not. If he is, then Light can't see his face. Even still, that's only relevant if Light knew Lelouch's name. Hey, now that I think about it, doesn't Lelouch use a fake name to hide his royal identity? It's like Lelouch was SO brilliant he foresaw the battle between him and Kira. ;O |
| Actually, you guys are are asking the wrong question. The right question would be whether the Geass is superior to the Death Note. You all say that it would be easy for Lelouch to win because he has a lot more allies than Light, but what if it was Light in Lelouch's position and Lelouch in Light's position? If they have to fight, they each have to fight under the same condition, aka one on one. That being said, I assume that they are both equal in intelligence (though I think Light is smarter because he's #1 in the nation, and knows more variety). Therefore, the only thing to compare is the Geass and Death Note (and by that I include Shinigami eyes). Since both of them require eye contact, the person who can make it and then kill the other wins. And based on that alone, Lelouch will win because its easier to give a command than it is to take out a piece of paper and then scribble something down. But, there's another factor that favors the Shinigami. Light just has to see his opponent's face just once to be able to win, however, with Lelouch, he has to make eye contact AND issue the command at the same time. So, if in a series of events Light is able to remove Lelouch's mask without being Geassed in the process, then he won because Lelouch will never have another opportunity. So, in the scenario that they are actually fighting without firearms, it would be a tough match. Although Light has an edge physically, he isnt able to look up at all into Lelouch's Mask, basically he has to rely on shadows or some other form, forfeiting his small physical advantage. However, if he can take off Lelouch's mask with his eyes closed or something, then he will win, but the chances of that happening are already slim. Therefore, the fight would probably get dragged on for a long time, and Lelouch has presumably less stamina than Light, but Light would be consuming more energy. Therefore, it is a STALEMATE! |
| i think light is physically more powerful than lelouch, but tactically speaking lelouch would have the advantage. as for the geass and the death note: sure lelouch has to make eye contact, but once he does whoever he makes contact with would be under his power instantly, so they couldn't take out the death note and write his name. besides light would have to know lelouch's REAL name and see his face, so all lelouch has to do is wear his zero mask and only open up the eye slot to take down light. also lelouch has the black knights (who all wear masks by the way) and with his tactical genuis he could take down light. as for light, he is very smart, i'll give him that, but hes to arrogant, also he would never take the shinigami eyes b/c he would not shorten his own life (now misa's he would). still my vote is for lelouch |
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Khdou said: But, there's another factor that favors the Shinigami. Light just has to see his opponent's face just once to be able to win, however, with Lelouch, he has to make eye contact AND issue the command at the same time. So, if in a series of events Light is able to remove Lelouch's mask without being Geassed in the process, then he won because Lelouch will never have another opportunity. So, in the scenario that they are actually fighting without firearms, it would be a tough match. Although Light has an edge physically, he isnt able to look up at all into Lelouch's Mask, basically he has to rely on shadows or some other form, forfeiting his small physical advantage. However, if he can take off Lelouch's mask with his eyes closed or something, then he will win, but the chances of that happening are already slim. Therefore, the fight would probably get dragged on for a long time, and Lelouch has presumably less stamina than Light, but Light would be consuming more energy. Yes you are almost right, but there is one condition geass won't effect if another person has glasses. I have wrote about earlier about Death Note ability's. And you all are saying that Light is weaker because Lulu can geass him. But what if Light use helmet like Lulu too? To Light it's easy comand for something even like Schneizel or Emperor. With DN he just can command them to anihilate Japanese (in R1 I think they could have easy done that, maybe even in R2) "Charles vi/li(don't remember which is correct) at July 11 day 16:50 commands entire empire attack and kill (or just arrest) every single person in Area 11 and of course don't let anyone to escape. Then two months later he dies from heart attack". So he just need to escape Japan and write this. I believe that Light use even this kind of things to archieve his objective. So even if geass is stronger in short distances, Death Note is much stronger in large distances. So Light can use his DN to control stongest people in the world and then Lelouch would be just easily crushed because than would be OotBK vs entire world. Hmm which is stronger?:D |
StyRiuS said: Khdou said: But, there's another factor that favors the Shinigami. Light just has to see his opponent's face just once to be able to win, however, with Lelouch, he has to make eye contact AND issue the command at the same time. So, if in a series of events Light is able to remove Lelouch's mask without being Geassed in the process, then he won because Lelouch will never have another opportunity. So, in the scenario that they are actually fighting without firearms, it would be a tough match. Although Light has an edge physically, he isnt able to look up at all into Lelouch's Mask, basically he has to rely on shadows or some other form, forfeiting his small physical advantage. However, if he can take off Lelouch's mask with his eyes closed or something, then he will win, but the chances of that happening are already slim. Therefore, the fight would probably get dragged on for a long time, and Lelouch has presumably less stamina than Light, but Light would be consuming more energy. Yes you are almost right, but there is one condition geass won't effect if another person has glasses. I have wrote about earlier about Death Note ability's. And you all are saying that Light is weaker because Lulu can geass him. But what if Light use helmet like Lulu too? To Light it's easy comand for something even like Schneizel or Emperor. With DN he just can command them to anihilate Japanese (in R1 I think they could have easy done that, maybe even in R2) "Charles vi/li(don't remember which is correct) at July 11 day 16:50 commands entire empire attack and kill (or just arrest) every single person in Area 11 and of course don't let anyone to escape. Then two months later he dies from heart attack". So he just need to escape Japan and write this. I believe that Light use even this kind of things to archieve his objective. So even if geass is stronger in short distances, Death Note is much stronger in large distances. So Light can use his DN to control stongest people in the world and then Lelouch would be just easily crushed because than would be OotBK vs entire world. Hmm which is stronger?:D Then use a mech and blow him up. |
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StyRiuS said: Yes you are almost right, but there is one condition geass won't effect if another person has glasses. I have wrote about earlier about Death Note ability's. And you all are saying that Light is weaker because Lulu can geass him. But what if Light use helmet like Lulu too? To Light it's easy comand for something even like Schneizel or Emperor. With DN he just can command them to anihilate Japanese (in R1 I think they could have easy done that, maybe even in R2) "Charles vi/li(don't remember which is correct) at July 11 day 16:50 commands entire empire attack and kill (or just arrest) every single person in Area 11 and of course don't let anyone to escape. Then two months later he dies from heart attack". So he just need to escape Japan and write this. I believe that Light use even this kind of things to archieve his objective. So even if geass is stronger in short distances, Death Note is much stronger in large distances. So Light can use his DN to control stongest people in the world and then Lelouch would be just easily crushed because than would be OotBK vs entire world. Hmm which is stronger?:D Unfortunately, doing that would be a cheap way to kill those you don't know the name of. The creators already thought of this beforehand, and have already made it a rule : "Whether the cause of the individual’s death is either a suicide or accident. If the death leads to the death of more than the intended, the person will simply die of a heart attack. This is to ensure that other lives are not influenced. " Another rule which may be interesting: "Also, even though some parts of the face, for example the eyes, nose or mouth are hidden, if he can basically see the whole face, he will be able to see the person’s name and life span. If above conditions are met, names and life spans can be seen through photos and pictures, no matter how old they are." So basically, Light has to bring a digital camera with him and then take a picture of the unmasked Lelouch looking at the screen and then he'll be safe from being affected by Geass while finding out his identity, if he could manage to pull that off ^^ |
StyRiuS said: Well here could be hard. Just think Light write someone's name of OotBK (like diethard or ohgi) to kill Zero and thats it he don't need to know who is Zero because he can command what to do to those who's name was writen in Death Note. So I believe that Light would win. Actually, there is one flaw to that. It's not that because Ohgi or Diethard or etc. doesn't know who Zero is that he couldn't kill him, but it is because it's not something realistic that they would do. Remember that episode in Death Note where the prisoner could not right "I know who L is". It's because it's not something realistic they would do without outside interference and therefore can't be done Shikas_shadow said: charels (a very well known person whos full name would be easy to come by) to "at 4:15 p.m. announce Zero's real identity all over japan then die of heart attack" That is possible I guess... |
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Seed_Slasher said: Actually, there is one flaw to that. It's not that because Ohgi or Diethard or etc. doesn't know who Zero is that he couldn't kill him, but it is because it's not something realistic that they would do. Remember that episode in Death Note where the prisoner could not right "I know who L is". It's because it's not something realistic they would do without outside interference and therefore can't be done Yes, but he can command just to kill Zero, they know Zero as masked person, so it's enough for them to attack that masked person even if there isn't Lulu. Seed_Slasher said: Shikas_shadow said: charels (a very well known person whos full name would be easy to come by) to "at 4:15 p.m. announce Zero's real identity all over japan then die of heart attack" That is possible I guess... But from where Light would know that Charles knows who truly is Zero? |
| You cannot use the Death Note to manipulate a person to kill another person, you can only control what they do to themselves before they die. "Whether the cause of the individual’s death is either a suicide or accident, if the death leads to the death of more than the intended, the person will simply die of a heart attack. This is to ensure that other lives are not influenced. " He has to find out Zero's identity the old fashioned way... |
| Well you got me :D But still Light just can order Diethard(or somebody else) to leak information about entire OotBK(of course without Zero) and then Light can do whatever he wants, even order to capture Zero and then he can do it in "old fashioned way". me say: I won't surrender easily mua ha ha. :p |
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