Do you like AnimeBasho.com as our new name?
Yes, I like it.
14.4%
30
No, I don't like it, and here's my suggestion...
5.8%
12
No, I want to keep it as MyAnimeList.net
63.9%
133
I don't really care, I just want the site to work
15.9%
33
208 votes
| I've been holding back from commenting on this because my reaction is really strong, but I figure I should at least let my opinion known. I don't like it. No siree. There have been excellent points made about keeping the name, and I agree with the opinion that AnimeBasho is a generic and poor name choice. I understand the drive to get a larger base for the site, but I really don't think AnimeBasho is a name that will gain you any credibility at all. I'm gonna stop here to refrain from being unnecessarily vehement. ^.^;; |
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minus-one said: as long as all old addresses keep working (e.g. my list will be accessible at so-and-so.myanimelist.net) That will definitely change, but it's not hard to update links, is it? :) |
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Sandgolem said: I dunno why are we so concerned about drawing in tons and tons of people? Are we in a race or a contest for the most members? That seems to be everyones concern, and I suppose I cant blame them, but i just hope that the Xinil and others do it in a way that we arnt pulling in the "internet l33tist". I really want the site to stay the friendly and fun place that it still is. Yeah.. I personally dislike HUGE sites where you don't even know like 99% of the users because it's so big and not very connected.. I would never have touched a site called AnimeBasho (so generic), and I would not have joined the forums if there were like 9999999999999 members... I hope the focus does not shift to getting the maximum amount of users.. *sigh* |
cyruz said: minus-one said: as long as all old addresses keep working (e.g. my list will be accessible at so-and-so.myanimelist.net) That will definitely change, but it's not hard to update links, is it? :) nope. but we will also need someone to go through and change the sig and all the myanimelist.net graphics. |
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| There will be a redirect for a while. I'm gonna keep silent on this issue btw. :) |
Sandgolem said: I dunno why are we so concerned about drawing in tons and tons of people? Are we in a race or a contest for the most members? That seems to be everyones concern, and I suppose I cant blame them, but i just hope that the Xinil and others do it in a way that we arnt pulling in the "internet l33tist". I really want the site to stay the friendly and fun place that it still is. Q....F....T Well said, Sandgolem! My sentiments *exactly*. The MAIN reason I joined this community and became active in the forums (something I've never done before) is that, unlike the other forums and communities around, this place isn't hostile, elitist, stupid etc. Well, the lolicon debate came close, but even that was actually somewhat resolved, or at least the parties came to a mutual understanding of sorts. Anyway, I too like the site the way it is now, and don't understand why a change is necessary. Wasn't there something recently about MAL hitting 5000 users? And it's been around for, what, a year and half or something? |
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Yes, I like it. 19 19.19% No, I don't like it, and here's my suggestion... 5 5.05% No, I want to keep it as MyAnimeList.net 57 57.58% I don't really care, I just want the site to work 18 18.18% That is the poll this far.. I know this is not a completely accurate poll, because we have a lot more users than that.. How about Xinil you put this threat up somewhere more noticeable for everyone (for even those who do not come on the forum) right up on the front page temporarily. After you think we've have enough votes to be able to tell what the opinion is for the current users, use the results to decide.. Right now "no" is "wining" but that could easily change, and I know everyone respects you and all the others users, and if "Yes I like it" "won" then I would be more than happy to accept it. Hell, even if "Yes I like it" "lost" horribly, but you still changed it to animebasho, I would accept it. This is your site after all. However, I hope you listen to the vote (even though this is not a democracy, ahha). |
SY_IS_DEAD_IRLJun 19, 2007 11:09 AM
| It is on the front page. Right in the top right corner where the announcements go. >.> And as far as the poll is concerned, the results don't really matter as it's changing either way, as he states in that post. The only way it'll go back to MAL is if AnimeBasho fails miserably. (From what he said in IRC) |
Xinil said: Everyone says that they found this site because of the name. What people are forgetting to realize is that when you search for "anime list", you will be presented with "AnimeBasho". It's not like this site loses its anime list features. Do people not realize that there is no "social community" anime site out there right now? This is MAL's chance. This is AnimeBasho's chance. We can put our foot in the door and take it all my having a name that actually "gives" us power. MyAnimeList gives us people who are looking for an anime list site. AnimeBasho gives us people looking for an anime list site AND people looking for anime information AND people looking for an anime social community. :( Haha, you have a point. I guess AnimeBasho will grow on me in time. Too bad I can't change my vote. |
| As I said in my first post. MyAnimeList will be changing names. Right now it's still AnimeBasho.com. I've given everyone the opportunity to come up with new names. We've had some good ones actually, but nothing that has more appeal than AnimeBasho imo. |
Xinil said: As I said in my first post. MyAnimeList will be changing names. Right now it's still AnimeBasho.com. I've given everyone the opportunity to come up with new names. We've had some good ones actually, but nothing that has more appeal than AnimeBasho imo. Not trying to start anything. I mean it is your site and you can do what you like with it but why the option on the poll to leave it the same if you wern't gunna consider that option. That just rendered 58 peoples votes meaningless. |
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| I don't think anybody will leave the site if they change the name. After all, they like having their anime list or else they wouldn't be here. xinil said: Do people not realize that there is no "social community" anime site out there right now? This is MAL's chance. This is AnimeBasho's chance. We can put our foot in the door and take it all my having a name that actually "gives" us power. MyAnimeList gives us people who are looking for an anime list site. AnimeBasho gives us people looking for an anime list site AND people looking for anime information AND people looking for an anime social community. Are you meaning to say you want to combine the best of the Gaia Forums with AniDB in addition to what we already have? Twitchy_Fingah said: What happens to My Manga List now? Imagine how much easier it would be to incorporate a manga list in AnimeBasho. Just another part of your community profile. The way I see it, MAL is already like a beta of AnimeBasho. It has grown to be more than just an anime list. It has become a community. It is deserving of a more appropriate title. I was thinking: Right now, http://blazingluke.myanimelist.net/ links to my anime list. If the same format was followed for AnimeBasho, would http://blazingluke.animebasho.net/ link to my profile instead? Also, what are the chances of keeping http://blazingluke.myanimelist.net linking to my list and the new http://blazingluke.animebasho.net/ linking to my profile? I'm not particularly knowledgeable about these things and am not sure how possible that kind of thing is. Blazingluke's thoughts on the matter in general: This could be big. |
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Sandgolem said: That just rendered 58 peoples votes meaningless. 59 users compared to the 5000+ users on this site? Besides, 57% is barely over half of all voters. |
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| I haven't decided how i'm going to do the crosslinking yet. But, to begin with. If someone goes to http://xinil.myanimelist.net they will be redirected to http://xinil.animebasho.com |
Blazingluke said: Sandgolem said: That just rendered 58 peoples votes meaningless. 59 users compared to the 5000+ users on this site? Besides, 57% is barely over half of all voters. So what your saying is that the poll didnt actually matter, there is not actual debate because it has already been decieded on. It would have been much better just to have come out and said that instead of putting up a useless thread and poll. *frusterated* (also note the people for the change number less than 1/5 of the voters.) |
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| ...You did -not- just mention Gaia. Gaia is the epitomy of bullshit. Gaia sucks ass. Do not compare this website with Gaia. Do you see all these hacks and games and all that other bullshit here? No? Then MAL isn't Gaia. Stop talking about Gaia, please. I hate it. -sniffle- ;-; But anyway.. Yes. This could be big. Edit: Sandgolem) Yes, we could have done that, but Kanashimi wanted everyone to have the opportunity to give their opinion and have a vote; no matter how meaningless it would have been anyway. Because if it would have been changed with no say, then a lot of people would be pissed off because they didn't have any say in it. But now they have had their say, so they will be less pissed off, or not at all. See how that works? |
| Sandgolem, I hope you read my first post. I specifically said that there WILL be a name change. Voting against it will result in pretty much nothing happening. If you didn't like AnimeBasho, it was your responsibility to come up with a better name. Can't please everyone. I'm doing what I think is best for the website. |
ShinoFuji said: I know that, I meant BIGGER, like bold.. It is on the front page. Right in the top right corner where the announcements go. >.> And as far as the poll is concerned, the results don't really matter as it's changing either way, as he states in that post. The only way it'll go back to MAL is if AnimeBasho fails miserably. (From what he said in IRC) but as Xinil remined me (this I forgot), that there will be a name change... so Alright.. AnimeBasho or whatever else ends up being picked it is! |
| Sorry ShinoFuji, I haven't been an active member of Gaia since...I don't remember but it was a few years ago. I have seen what it has become over time though...I drop by now and then to see what changes they've made. In my defense, I did specify the forum aspect, intending the discussion of anime to come to mind.. |
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| i agree with selective yellow who agrees with hounddog mal is indeed mal.. im not quite sure if i like the name basho, its not as catchy as myanimelist, for that was the reason why i actually joined... ultimately its is xinil's choice (we wont obviously hate you if you want that name, and i doubt you'd loose many people due to the name change) i'd still be on the site no matter what the name is, and many others as well... if there were other options for the name beside basho ( i cant think of any) but i think other options would be better.. if basho gave more options with the new name then maybe others would be more inclined to switch to that.. |
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Xinil said: Sandgolem, I hope you read my first post. I specifically said that there WILL be a name change. Voting against it will result in pretty much nothing happening. If you didn't like AnimeBasho, it was your responsibility to come up with a better name. Can't please everyone. I'm doing what I think is best for the website. It is your site and you can do as you please with it, I just feel that I was asked for my opinion and that when it wasnt the ideal one told that it doesnt matter at all. I can only hope the site stays friendly, and fun. And although I am slightly annoyed and put off by this whole thing, I shall continue to visit until such time that the atmosphere of this site is no longer what it orginally was. |
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| If you've been here since the beginning, then the site isn't what it normally was to begin with either. =P But anyway... I get what you mean by atmosphere. But just think if all the 5000 users we have now all used the forums actively. Then, uhm... yeah. >.>; I think it's about 100 or so now that use the forum. Which, honestly, isn't very much to begin with. And I'm sorry you feel that way. I would be too if I was against this. |
Kayrhandros said: The fact is, I also think the name "myanimelist" cast chains around the site, so to speak. If MAL wants to be an alternative to ANN, Anidb, AniNFO. And I think that's what Xinil wants right now. The name Myanimelist doesn't have enought "credibility". Look at it this way: If you ask someone that doesn't really know any of the sites I mentioned. "If you want to know someting about anime would you go to AnimeNewsNetwork Anidb AniNFO or Myanimelist?" 95% of the people would say one of the first 3 options. And why would they not pick MAL...? Because when you hear the name myanimelist you imediately think. "it's a site where you can make a list of anime" so you can't really do/find anything else. That is incorrect of course, but the fact is: MAL's name only shows one of the multiple features the site has. So, only people looking for the list feature will come here in the first place. Unless someone that is already here recommends the site. That's what Xinil wants to change in my view. Expand the site to a animeressource (which it already is IMO), while the name does not reflect it. So can you blame him because he wants to expand his is innicial project to something larger...? For that to happen he see's the name change as a good start and I also agree a new name is needed. Don't get me wrong, I do like MAL. For me it will always be MAL. It was the reason I came here in the first place. And obviously, the list is the main/strongest feature, and IMO it will continue to be the thing that will distinguish MAL from the others. But it has overcome that... It's the: possibility of making a list + making a profile + chosing favourites + rating anime + join clubs + join a community + the forums + the blogs + the tagging.... and I could go on. Aren't we losing a good amount of possible users by passing the wrong idea that this site is just an animelist....? IMHO we are. Kayrhandros i uderstand your argumentation very well, but... name not necessarily must reflect nature of the site (or all its features). rottentomatoes as a name has nothing to do with movies. ( mercedes-benz with cars... sony with electronics...). at one point names just turn into brands and you can't mathematically estimate their values anymore. for me myanimelist sounds like some kind of a brand - it has appeal for 5000+ people and you can't just toss it away like this. (i think part of that appeal is my in the name (like my documents on windows ;-)) - it adds some personal feeling...) i understand that MAL's now much bigger than just animelist, but animelist imo still remains at the core (and this is no surprise - its implementation here better than anywhere else) — the place is more animelist- than community-centered... anyway, it's up to Xinil... p.s.: look at ANN - its AnimeNewsNetwork, but it's much more; and they don't change the name just because of that! Xinil - any chance you change your mind? |
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minus-one said: Kayrhandros i uderstand your argumentation very well, but... name not necessarily must reflect nature of the site (or all its features). rottentomatoes as a name has nothing to do with movies. ( mercedes-benz with cars... sony with electronics...). at one point names just turn into brands and you can't mathematically estimate their values anymore. for me myanimelist sounds like some kind of a brand - it has appeal for 5000+ people and you can't just toss it away like this. (i think part of that appeal is my in the name (like my documents on windows ;-)) - it adds some personal meaning...) i understand that MAL's now much bigger than just animelist, but animelist imo still remains at the core (and this is no surprise - its implementation here better than anywhere else) — the place is more animelist- than community-centered... anyway, it's up to Xinil... Then how about a compromise? myanimebasho ;P |
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running_lemon said: ahahhahaThen how about a compromise? myanimebasho ;P |
running_lemon said: Then how about a compromise? myanimebasho ;P defo no lol |
| I think that I would like the site regardless of the name. However, if you do change the name then it should be relevant to the "list" theme. Animebasho doesn't seem to really coincide with that. Besides, not many people will know what "basho" means. So if you really want to change the name then I think that you should come up with a list of names relevant to "anime lists" and make them universal to the anime community - hardcore and casual anime watchers. |
Wayero said: I think that I would like the site regardless of the name. However, if you do change the name then it should be relevant to the "list" theme. Animebasho doesn't seem to really coincide with that. Besides, not many people will know what "basho" means. So if you really want to change the name then I think that you should come up with a list of names relevant to "anime lists" and make them universal to the anime community - hardcore and casual anime watchers. Not to be mean or anything, but I think Xinil wants people to come up with names, not give open ended possibilities ^^ |
SukotsutsuJun 19, 2007 8:11 PM
  Dibs on Ishida! |
| yeah, stop talking about the name and revel in the fact that it's blue! |
| I, as several others, found this site looking for a way to track what Anime I was watching or planing to watch. I was not looking for a community, being the anti-social bastard that I am. People on this site made me want to engage in conversation, and open my thoughts to others of like thought. I am torn between sides here... I voted to keep it as MAL, even though I know that my vote, much like a vote for the president of the USA doesn't mean shit. The powers that be will do as they please. I do feel there could be an opportunity to build a major community here and take it to heights never before realized. But to ignore the majority... that pisses people off. We are the community. We are the site. You built it, we use it. To out right say "I want your opinion on what I should do, but don't bother with this option because its going to happen anyway" isn't really a good thing, man. Anyway, it's your site. Do what you will. I think it's fine the way it is... nice and descriptive of it's purpose with the added bonus of a supportive community. |
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| Wow I see MAL's color theme is changing too o.0 |
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| Well, I voted against the name change which basically means that my vote doesn't count. :) But I still feel compelled to back up my decision. First and foremost, I don't speak much Japanese and "basho" doesn't mean anything to me. You say it means "place" and I believe you, but really for all I know it means "let's laugh at the asshole who thinks this means place." That's a little alienating, maybe a lot alienating. I don't want to feel stupid because I visit a site and don't know what the name means. I came to this site because of the lists, that's what I liked about it and what I needed that I couldn't get at other sites. That's why I come back every day. It's such an awesome feature, I feel like you shouldn't try to downplay it. Plus, as has been mentioned, there are already so many Anime_____.com sites out there. MAL is different, MyAnimeList.net is different. I love the MAL name just as it is. (I guess this means I better hurry up and buy my t-shirt asap...) I'll probably still refer to it as MAL even after the change. :) I have to say though - I am digging the blue. <3 |
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| Blue needs to be lighter IMHO, way too dark |
| "...Only fools stand up and really lay down their arms. No, not me, not when death lasts forever." |
| It looks fine to me XD. Since I was here it went from red to green to now blue. I wonder what other future colours are in store? |
| back-stabbing Blood red? =P |
| "...Only fools stand up and really lay down their arms. No, not me, not when death lasts forever." |
shiro-chan said: I prefer MyAnimeList, since it's much more standout and Animebasho sounds too ordinary. there are already tons of sites out there with anime- prefix domain names. Same here. |
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zanmato666 said: It looks fine to me XD. Since I was here it went from red to green to now blue. I wonder what other future colours are in store? pink! |
| Way to go Kei for the Nazi like response to the vote thread. I was given a voice only to have my throat slashed. I don't like that ^^ |
| "...Only fools stand up and really lay down their arms. No, not me, not when death lasts forever." |
| ...That wasn't a nazi-like response. He was being nice, in my opinion. I mean, it -was- redundant. But anyway... I think the topic is dead by now. >.> The arguments are just being repeated. Edit: As proven with the post above me. *sigh* |
| While I do like the name myanimelist I do agree on the fact that it gives people premonitions about what to expect on the site and locks the site into a specific nitch. The site has out grown it’s current name and it is time for a new one, however wouldn’t the “anime” requirement in the name also lock it down as well?? I know that there is a plan in the works to come up with a manga section/site as well would it not be better to try and find a name that covers what the site is and still leaves it open? While I haven’t been able to come up with a better name as of yet I do plan on submitting something here in the next couple days, however what I come up with will probly leave out the word anime as I feel that is just leaving us susceptible to outgrowing the name as soon as manga is added and I want to try and come up with something that will be better understood by the average user. I think that the name animebisho will be somewhat confusing to most people. Ill make sure to get a sudjestion in to you once I come up with it EDIT: dam thing tried eating yet another of my posts!! thankfully I save them to the clipboard before posting =) |
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| Well, yes. I didn't mean it like that. I just meant the actual ARGUMENTS. I didn't say opinions. I said arguments. There's a difference in what I was trying to mean. But anyway... |
| The Kei response would be in the locked vote thread =P |
| "...Only fools stand up and really lay down their arms. No, not me, not when death lasts forever." |
Arixx said: The Kei response would be in the locked vote thread =P Yes.. I know. That's what I was talking about. =P |
| MyAnimeList will not be changing names to AnimeBasho. Thank you for all your responses and feedback regarding this matter. We'll see if we can come up with something better in the future. Thread locked. |
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