Enjolras1830 said: cause they only dub anything that people would buy, and in that shithole they rather buy shitty anime like naruto and so on.Why did the Us never try and get Doraemon thaat would print money |
| thread tl;dr lazy prolly because anime is still viewed as cartoons for kids. or the kind of shows that get licensed have horrible dubs or the show plain sucks. my 2 cents. |
Enjolras1830 said: Kazeshini said: Enjolras1830 said: cause they only dub anything that people would buy, and in that shithole they rather buy shitty anime like naruto and so on.Why did the Us never try and get Doraemon thaat would print money Put it on at just affter school time and market it as the male verison of hello kitty [ yes i know its not] and it would sell like hot cakes as you guys would say Nope it won't. Everyone these days just want to be outdated Ninjas... just like outdated vampires |
| I'm loving reading through all this! :D Most of you are really awesome, and it's great that we can actually have a debate where loads of idiots come along and flame at each other (Trust me. This happens. A lot.). My point in all this though, is that the USA's stupid view on "I must censor everything so the children don't murder everything in sight because of blood in a cartoon" is actually degrading people's views on anime. When you say the word 'anime' to someone who doesn't know the facts, they automatically think of Sonic, Dragonball, Pokemon, etc. So they believe anime is the high pitched, over-enthusiastic voices and the crappy censored versions of everything. You could argue "But this is how people start on anime" and this can be true for some, but for others, they don't like, the over-enthusiastic high pitched voices and the crappy censored versions of everything. I know I didn't. The fact of life, is that people believe what they see, and learn from experience. And if all they can see is THAT, well, the rest is obvious. Everyone here knows that isn't all of anime. And I think most of the people who watch more than Bleach, Naruto or One Piece will know that the real greatness of anime lies inside the commercial shell. Anyway, I'll keep reading onwards into the future on this topic. Thank you all :D |
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| Anime coming to America was the worst thing ever. Look at all these pointless and endless debates about dubs vs subs for example. It's also a shame that most American viewers are clueless to what they're missing out had they known how much inferior dubs are to subs. |
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flaxman85 said: It's also a shame that most American viewers are clueless to what they're missing out had they known how much inferior dubs are to subs. Yeah, I agree with you, but there are people who watch lots and lots and lots of anime, and still prefer English dub. It's just a matter of preference. |
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| well i can understand why they do it , i mean when i watch a movie its rarely in my own language so most of the time they are subbed or just in english witch is fine for me But americans almost never have that so they dub stuff alot. I will watch anime with american voiceacters if it is the original cast or if it just sounds better but normally i enjoy it better in japanese |
| "I'm not going there to die. I'm going to find out if I'm really alive.Spike Spiegel (Cowboy Bebop) see you space cowboy...  |
| lol Why do people think its ok to stomp on a person Nostalgia? If they like the Yugioh, Pokemon, Dbz, Digimon dubs then fine let them have it, Nostalgia good every once and while its not good to stomp on people childhoods like that. Ok so pokemon and Dragonball Z was "heavily" censored there are certain things you can show a child because they're like little lumps of Play-doh even though Its not like pokemons a seinen anyways so its not like it matters. |
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Tvking00 said: lol Why do people think its ok to stomp on a person Nostalgia? If they like the Yugioh, Pokemon, Dbz, Digimon dubs then fine let them have it, Nostalgia good every once and while its not good to stomp on people childhoods like that. Ok so pokemon and Dragonball Z was "heavily" censored there are certain things you can show a child because they're like little lumps of Play-doh even though Its not like pokemons a seinen anyways so its not like it matters. You don't understand. We wouldn't like to "Stomp on a person nostalgia" or "Stomp on people childhoods like that". We want to make the generation of NOW have better anime to watch. We want the companies to stop defacing the name of anime and making people believe all of it's the crappy high pitched voices of sonic and Ash Ketchup and etc. Also, you obviusly know NOTHING of the original Dragonball and Dragonball Z. |
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| Ok I can understand where you're coming from but Pokemon and Sonic have had that "childish" image for more than a decade now that's not going to change im sorry that's just the way it is. You're not going to see Pokemon suddenly appear on Nbc at 7:30 with brand new uncensored content. I've seen some gruesome things in DBZ like Tien getting his arm punched off and I've seen a couple of subbed DBZ episodes subbed but I didn't like Gokus voice which made me care less about watching it so I stopped or maybe I just watched the wrong episode to notice a difference. |
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Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: you know who voice Son GokuOk I can understand where you're coming from but Pokemon and Sonic have had that "childish" image for more than a decade now that's not going to change im sorry that's just the way it is. You're not going to see Pokemon suddenly appear on Nbc at 7:30 with brand new uncensored content. I've seen some gruesome things in DBZ like Tien getting his arm punched off and I've seen a couple of subbed DBZ episodes subbed but I didn't like Gokus voice which made me care less about watching it so I stopped or maybe I just watched the wrong episode to notice a difference. No why? |
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| I didn't read most of this thread. total headache. if nobody else has mentioned it, there is a great book out there that discusses how these types of issues occured when anime (and even tokusatsu) made its way over the pacific to america. I THINK its called Japanamerica by Roland Kelts. I read it quite awhile ago so I can't be certain, but i pinned it on my pinterest and gave it a great review (while other anime oriented books blow) so I think thats it. lol. http://www.amazon.com/Japanamerica-Japanese-Culture-Invaded-U-S/dp/140398476X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344280455&sr=8-1&keywords=japanamerica |
| I like the Funimation Dubs, and Who ever dubs the Adult Swim animes. I like Subs just as much as I like Dubs. But for certain shows like Code Geass, I really like the Dub. |
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| its not as bad as your saying it is. they only censored dbz for nick, cartoon network and all that. Don't get so angry over it. |
flaxman85 said: Anime coming to America was the worst thing ever. Look at all these pointless and endless debates about dubs vs subs for example. It's also a shame that most American viewers are clueless to what they're missing out had they known how much inferior dubs are to subs. Well first of all, you'd actually have to get them to READ subtitles. This isn't just anime either, I've met many people who will not watch foreign entertainment if it's not available in English. |
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Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: you know who voice Son GokuOk I can understand where you're coming from but Pokemon and Sonic have had that "childish" image for more than a decade now that's not going to change im sorry that's just the way it is. You're not going to see Pokemon suddenly appear on Nbc at 7:30 with brand new uncensored content. I've seen some gruesome things in DBZ like Tien getting his arm punched off and I've seen a couple of subbed DBZ episodes subbed but I didn't like Gokus voice which made me care less about watching it so I stopped or maybe I just watched the wrong episode to notice a difference. No why? calling that woman a bad seiyuu is an insult Sorry I just dont like it. |
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Tvking00 said: Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: you know who voice Son GokuOk I can understand where you're coming from but Pokemon and Sonic have had that "childish" image for more than a decade now that's not going to change im sorry that's just the way it is. You're not going to see Pokemon suddenly appear on Nbc at 7:30 with brand new uncensored content. I've seen some gruesome things in DBZ like Tien getting his arm punched off and I've seen a couple of subbed DBZ episodes subbed but I didn't like Gokus voice which made me care less about watching it so I stopped or maybe I just watched the wrong episode to notice a difference. No why? calling that woman a bad seiyuu is an insult Sorry I just dont like it. I don't think it's that bad, to be honest! :3 |
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InsaneMooseCat said: Tvking00 said: Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: Enjolras1830 said: Tvking00 said: you know who voice Son GokuOk I can understand where you're coming from but Pokemon and Sonic have had that "childish" image for more than a decade now that's not going to change im sorry that's just the way it is. You're not going to see Pokemon suddenly appear on Nbc at 7:30 with brand new uncensored content. I've seen some gruesome things in DBZ like Tien getting his arm punched off and I've seen a couple of subbed DBZ episodes subbed but I didn't like Gokus voice which made me care less about watching it so I stopped or maybe I just watched the wrong episode to notice a difference. No why? calling that woman a bad seiyuu is an insult Sorry I just dont like it. I don't think it's that bad, to be honest! :3 Some would say it's that the definitive Goku. Of course appreciating the performance would mean watching Dragon Ball before DBZ to understand what kind of character they were trying create. |
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| Even if it is butchering the original, you don't have to watch it and if anime is reaching audiences that it wouldn't normally reach then whats the problem? |
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| I agree with you.... it's very annoying. but I don't know about pokemon... I always thought it's for kids ( sorry... just my opinion :/ ) |
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| I remember a video where they showed pokemon censored episodes...there was a beach episode with a beuty contest and a transvestite James.There was also that epilepsia inducing episode which hospitalised children... |
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| I guess it all depends on what we are looking at. As a fan of Dubs, with nothing against Subs (I think the whole who-ha about Dubs vs Subs is a waste. Both have the potential to be great if done right. I digress!), I think the American 'invasion-you call it?' is necessary. There are people who need it in their native tongue, especially children. Thus, Pokemon was a huge success in both Japan and America. Now, America hasn't always gotten it right, mind you. There is a difference between porting something from Japan and making Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons (which were amazing)! By making Subs and Dubs, it catches on to more people. Opinions vary, of course. Guess I am just trying to say I support the attempts, failures, and successes of Anime in America. |
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Reverie12 said: I guess it all depends on what we are looking at. As a fan of Dubs, with nothing against Subs (I think the whole who-ha about Dubs vs Subs is a waste. Both have the potential to be great if done right. I digress!), I think the American 'invasion-you call it?' is necessary. There are people who need it in their native tongue, especially children. Thus, Pokemon was a huge success in both Japan and America. Now, America hasn't always gotten it right, mind you. There is a difference between porting something from Japan and making Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons (which were amazing)! By making Subs and Dubs, it catches on to more people. Opinions vary, of course. Guess I am just trying to say I support the attempts, failures, and successes of Anime in America. This may be so, but these things also put people off anime. Problem 1: Kids see kids anime, grow up, and either never knew it was anime in the first place or think all anime is kids anime. Problem 2: Close minded people who have seen a few episodes of pokemon and Yu-gi-oh didn't like the crappy high pitched, over enthusiastic voices and such that are in the american versions, dislike anime from then forward. Problem 3: The original Japanese companies hardly get any money from their product being broadcast in America. |
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sagdashin said: 4kids One Piece is just a disgrace. Guns are toys, Sanji using a lolipop instead of a smoke, and Luffy (and i don't know how) This is just an good example how the Japanese version is more mature. That picture at 4min is just freaky This made me lol so hard. |
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InsaneMooseCat said: Hey! I'm just getting into the MAL forums, and I just want to hear your opinions on something that really annoys me. Its when americans come along and turn good anime bad. For example, Dragonball. Dragonball used to be good, but then they came along, censored it all and used it for children. They basically, took it, took a massive crap on it and then put it on children's channels. Also, with the over-enthusiastic child friendly voices on Pokemon and Sonic's voice in the animated sonic the hedgehog really annoys me. I'd love to hear your opinions, if you love it or hate it. This is all merely my opinion. :D Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but theres a book called Japanamerica that details how early imported japanese shows were torn apart to make them better for "american audiences" its a cool bit of history. Prob the only book i've read regarding the so-called anime phenomena that I actually respect. |
| i believe on the saying don't fix it when ain't broken that's why i'm anti-dubs. well if they really have to then they have to put enough or more effort on developing it like studying the voices, hiring talented voice actors/actresses that fits the voice or role. its more like they have to invest and adjust to the anime than the anime have to adjust for them. |
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