after Episode 25 Desscusion (were they bad? or underrated?)

Ruthless_Lord said:
Anime is an art to entertain people, not to make points which one can spot or miss.

And after 25th episode, death note is horribly boring. The only reason I even completed the anime is because first 12 episode were exceptionally great and later 13 episodes were good enough. After episode 25, it's so boring 1 star is too good for it.

Flying_Hawlucha said:

you must have a short attention span because it was NOT boring

Imacd24 said:

First statement is kind of dumb and a massive generalization. There are plenty of anime and by extension manga that are just purely surface level entertainment no doubt, usually stuff like like battle shonen and trashy isekai just designed to be easily consumed and forgotten. But to say anime as a whole is simply to entertain people and isn't anything deeper then that is wild. I can think of so many shows and manga that are both incredibly entertaining but also very nuanced and chock full of easily missable points and details. And there are also lots of series that literally just aren't meant to "entertain" people in the traditional sense but rather are meant to be provocative and make the viewer/reader think and sometimes even draw their own conclusions. As for your second statement I take no real issues with it. I highly disagree with it for sure, but it's your opinion and that's chill.

Imacd24 said:
@Ruthless_Lord You're just putting words in my mouth but I'll bite anyway. I never said anything about getting a deeper understanding of or learning about a subject through anime. However; Cells at Work, Dumbbell Nan Kilo Moteru, Dr. Stone are all anime/manga that are both incredibly entertaining and also actually teach the viewer lots of interesting things. Not that you're gonna become some expert on human biology or chemistry or anything by watching these shows obviously but they are absolutely still educational if you want them to be.

Also nobody said they were trying to achieve any kind of enlightenment through watching tv and movies, but that doesn't mean they can't be written with nuance and it all depends on the individual and how they want to consume it. Take something like One Piece for example, you can watch the entire show just enjoying funny rubber man trying to become king of the pirates because on the surface that's what it is and if that's all you want out of the show then that's okay. But there are so many deeper themes and ideas to be taken away and explored if that's where you're own personal entertainment value lies. Governmental corruption, systemic racism and slavery, hierarchical oppression, isolationism and traditionalism are all things the story is at some point or another about beyond just funny rubber man.

Also you're spouting a whole lot of opinion as if it's fact. There are absolutely shows/manga written to be provocative over entertaining, take a series like Oyasumi PunPun. It is not entertaining in the traditional sense but is it bad? Absolutely not. It is incredibly well written and emotional story that is by design extremely provocative. As are most of Inio Asano's works, it's why he's such a polarizing mangaka. It's literally just personal opinion whether you enjoy those types of stories or not.

Ultimately it is up to the individual how they want to consume media. You clearly just want to relax and be entertained and that's completely okay. But it is unreasonable for you to assume nobody is able to get more then that out of the media they consume.

AgentBishop said:
THERE WILL BE HEAVY SPOILERS ALMOST IN ALL OF THIS SO AVOID READING NOW

anyone who didn't like Death Note after Episode 25 is missing the point of the show entirely

i keep seeing people say

i think these people missed the point, because:

1. if the show ended with L capturing Light, people would say well if he would have won, things would have been different
   
2. if the show would have ended in Episode 25 with Light winning, people would have said well he will create a better world later
   

i personally didn't like how the show handled Light's personality, showing red lights, crazy laughs,... made the show biased and opinionated toward Light's Philosophy

but with , we see the stability and sustainability of Light's project
Light is the smartest person in the show, he figured it out who was using the death note while L couldn't when he lost his memory and
he outsmarted both N and M

but the point was even if you do things right yourself and you have good intentions and bring good results, can you control all variables?

after Episode 25, the show tries to answer this question

this is also a theme in "No Country For Old Men", Anthon gets neutralized by chance, and not the wit and power of the heroes

and now that Light is dead, how will things turn out? of course we can only guess, you could either argue that with good people remaining, chances are good leaders emerge to establish new orders, a more just world
or
you could argue the maintainer of Justice is dead! and will people go crazy about it?

but one thing was shown and that's the fact that his method isn't stable for generational purposes, without later episode this point would have remained unnoticed