[Oshi No Ko]
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Nov 14, 2024 10:28 AM
#1
LIGHT SPOILERS, DONT READ IF YOU ARE READING THE MANGA JUST NOW Asgykk (pbuh) has proven time and time again that his art is more authentic and his vision more rigid than that of Aka. For a long time, it seemed like a lot of the scenes Asgykk drew were directly copied by Mengo. The masses rejoiced, at the end who wouldn't want to see Asgykk's vision in the manga and anime! In light of current events, we see that the future we hoped for, that we were certain will come, won't materialize. Many have noticed this long before the final chapter. For the longest time I have recommended to look at Asgykk's contribution to theory, specifically his two purchasable books (Private and the Fan Fiction Log). I have braced myself for the horrors that might come so when they arrived in full force, I was ready to stand firm. Yet even my support crumbled... Aka's revision caused some amount of pain to all who have a heart. And yes, let's call it what it is, what Aka has done is plain and simple revisionism. I was so focused on my feelings that I forgot that the person I put all my weight behind is just a human, not a pillar to carry the entire aquaruby class on his back. Without Asgykk to whom can the incestariat look for guidance? But as all seemed lost... Just a couple hours ago Asgykk posted this. One of the greatest works of art, perhaps the single greatest painting of our time and produced in such a short amount of time amidst emotional distress coming from both the expectations of the incestariat and Aka's revision. The artist we have before us is no longer just a fanart creator, this is a leader. And who is saying that the person that wrote Private couldn't write a full on aquaruby doujin ending with marriage and thereby bring history to it's final concluding stage? What we see forming before us is a new, more revolutionary and most importantly more authentic way of retelling the story. Asgykk thought doesn't throw all of Aka's work into the trash-can but neither does it nod when blatant revisionism and heresy is preached in the later chapters. Students will be sent into the countryside to read again the entirety of OnK and determine the true canon, where exactly does Aka's corruption show it's first symptoms and where Asgykk's doujins belong on the timeline. So when we are done with our cultural revolution, Asgykk can release the true ending of Oshi no Ko, the one where one doesn't die for love but lives for it. CRISIS! NUCLEAR CRISIS! DOMESTIC CYBERATTACK! FLOODING EVENT IN AKA'S HOUSE! JAPAN NUCLEAR! SNEAK! the calm before the storm you are now banned from myanimelist goodbye WSJ HQ! SUBWAY! MCDONALDS! DROP BOMBS! PERIOD SLASH SLASH GO! where we go we go all all aquarubypatriots go a well regulated militia ACTIVATION WORD:ASGYKK! PUBLIC SISTERKISSING! AKA! PIPEBOMB AIRPORT WE ARE PAST PHASE GO! ALL TRUE RUBYPATRIOTS, NOW ATTACK! NOW IS TIME FOR ALL AQUARUBY MILITIAMAN TO TAKE UP ARMS AGAINST THE POLICE! HYPERSONIC EXPLOSIVE DEVICE! GO! GO!!! |
Commit_CrimeNov 14, 2024 4:58 PM
Nov 14, 2024 10:42 AM
#2
Lolololol. I can't believe you wrote all that. If that guy creates an Aquruby alternative ending doujin, I'll definitely read it. An Aquruby ending was always the ideal one; I just had low hopes it would come to fruition. |
Nov 14, 2024 10:50 AM
#3
As a world class imoutosexual, this is my message to Aqua. |
Nov 14, 2024 11:21 AM
#4
Reply to Cielord
Lolololol. I can't believe you wrote all that.
If that guy creates an Aquruby alternative ending doujin, I'll definitely read it.
An Aquruby ending was always the ideal one; I just had low hopes it would come to fruition.
If that guy creates an Aquruby alternative ending doujin, I'll definitely read it.
An Aquruby ending was always the ideal one; I just had low hopes it would come to fruition.
@Cielord Not just the ideal one, the only one that is acceptable and canon. |
Nov 15, 2024 9:04 PM
#5
as a normal man with an actual sister. I hope most of yall who here end up locked up and damn I hope you are at least 1 city away from your siblings if you have them. |
Nov 25, 2024 2:38 PM
#6
Bullshit... nothing more than that... TRASH in the ending, and trash from a fandom that is shit and bases its expectations on a fetish of sibling couples. Bullshit, as rotten and sick and emotionally distant from reality and human affection as the Author Aka Akasaka. I'm going to tell you why AquRuby's incest is frivolous, inhumane, lacking true love and obeys only the delusions of an author who has failed in love and in humanity, and his fans who love this garbage of a couple are as frivolous, inhumane and pathetic as him, they wouldn't understand even one iota what true love is, because they are dead in the coldness of a strange fetish. That's AquRuby, a frivolous romance based only on the morbidness and the pedophile and then incestuous fetish of an Author who barely managed to keep his marriage intact. What can you expect about what love is with a guy like that? Or from the fans who love that? Nothing. A single word can be identified, frivolous... without love, without heart. |
Nov 25, 2024 2:57 PM
#7
Reply to DarkAka
Bullshit... nothing more than that... TRASH in the ending, and trash from a fandom that is shit and bases its expectations on a fetish of sibling couples. Bullshit, as rotten and sick and emotionally distant from reality and human affection as the Author Aka Akasaka.
I'm going to tell you why AquRuby's incest is frivolous, inhumane, lacking true love and obeys only the delusions of an author who has failed in love and in humanity, and his fans who love this garbage of a couple are as frivolous, inhumane and pathetic as him, they wouldn't understand even one iota what true love is, because they are dead in the coldness of a strange fetish.
That's AquRuby, a frivolous romance based only on the morbidness and the pedophile and then incestuous fetish of an Author who barely managed to keep his marriage intact. What can you expect about what love is with a guy like that? Or from the fans who love that? Nothing. A single word can be identified, frivolous... without love, without heart.
I'm going to tell you why AquRuby's incest is frivolous, inhumane, lacking true love and obeys only the delusions of an author who has failed in love and in humanity, and his fans who love this garbage of a couple are as frivolous, inhumane and pathetic as him, they wouldn't understand even one iota what true love is, because they are dead in the coldness of a strange fetish.
That's AquRuby, a frivolous romance based only on the morbidness and the pedophile and then incestuous fetish of an Author who barely managed to keep his marriage intact. What can you expect about what love is with a guy like that? Or from the fans who love that? Nothing. A single word can be identified, frivolous... without love, without heart.
@DarkAka you are an akaneschizo or kanarat? lets be real, the sidegirls had as many chances to win as the nazis in ww2. |
Nov 26, 2024 8:43 PM
#8
Don't care the route, I'm all for improvement. Bleach did and is doing it in Thousand Year Blood Arc, so if the author is okay with improving a work that they felt lacking, I'm all for it, and Oshi no Ko really needs it, hell, Kaguya-sama needs it too. |
Dec 8, 2024 11:45 AM
#9
Reply to Commit_Crime
@DarkAka
you are an akaneschizo or kanarat? lets be real, the sidegirls had as many chances to win as the nazis in ww2.
you are an akaneschizo or kanarat? lets be real, the sidegirls had as many chances to win as the nazis in ww2.
@Commit_Crime I'm a fan of Aka, but I'm not blind to the fact that Aka created a wrong ending, that he didn't care about me at all. That's why he generated so much hate, that hate is not gratuitous, it's justified and I admire that he could defend his ending, after hearing his opinion on the ending at the convention in Spain, not your schizophrenic fantasies of an ending with Ruby and Aqua when Aka made it clear at the Spanish convention that this is NOT POSSIBLE, because it contradicts the idea that Aqua wants Ruby only as his sister, everything that your masturbatory fantasies move you to do, are ONLY YOURS, and THEY DIE WITH YOU. Nothing more, Aka made it clear that the ending is what it is in ONK, and that there is nothing more than that, Aqua loved Ruby as his sister, NEVER AS HIS LOVER, he wanted an equal relationship in friendship with Akane, to thank Memcho for the friendship, to call Miyako mom, to walk with Taiki on the beach like brothers, and to say yes to Kana Arima's love, to be his boyfriend, a mental image that he himself showed us. Tell me, are these fantasies? Or are they facts that Aka himself showed in the manga. Sorry, your fantasies are yours alone, and you can drown in them. Just like Aqua. Aka made it clear, he never thought of an incest ending like the one Mengo thought of, and that's obvious, right? Aqua only thought of seeing Ruby become an idol, and him as Akane's friend, and Kana's boyfriend. You can bark all you want, but you are NOT AKA. And this is the end of ONK. Facts over opinions. And Aka remembered it again in Barcelona. |
Dec 8, 2024 1:19 PM
#10
Reply to DarkAka
@Commit_Crime I'm a fan of Aka, but I'm not blind to the fact that Aka created a wrong ending, that he didn't care about me at all. That's why he generated so much hate, that hate is not gratuitous, it's justified and I admire that he could defend his ending, after hearing his opinion on the ending at the convention in Spain, not your schizophrenic fantasies of an ending with Ruby and Aqua when Aka made it clear at the Spanish convention that this is NOT POSSIBLE, because it contradicts the idea that Aqua wants Ruby only as his sister, everything that your masturbatory fantasies move you to do, are ONLY YOURS, and THEY DIE WITH YOU. Nothing more, Aka made it clear that the ending is what it is in ONK, and that there is nothing more than that, Aqua loved Ruby as his sister, NEVER AS HIS LOVER, he wanted an equal relationship in friendship with Akane, to thank Memcho for the friendship, to call Miyako mom, to walk with Taiki on the beach like brothers, and to say yes to Kana Arima's love, to be his boyfriend, a mental image that he himself showed us. Tell me, are these fantasies? Or are they facts that Aka himself showed in the manga.
Sorry, your fantasies are yours alone, and you can drown in them. Just like Aqua. Aka made it clear, he never thought of an incest ending like the one Mengo thought of, and that's obvious, right? Aqua only thought of seeing Ruby become an idol, and him as Akane's friend, and Kana's boyfriend. You can bark all you want, but you are NOT AKA. And this is the end of ONK. Facts over opinions. And Aka remembered it again in Barcelona.
Sorry, your fantasies are yours alone, and you can drown in them. Just like Aqua. Aka made it clear, he never thought of an incest ending like the one Mengo thought of, and that's obvious, right? Aqua only thought of seeing Ruby become an idol, and him as Akane's friend, and Kana's boyfriend. You can bark all you want, but you are NOT AKA. And this is the end of ONK. Facts over opinions. And Aka remembered it again in Barcelona.
@DarkAka he loved her as his sister ==== and as his lover. Asgykk is canon, Aka is not. |
Dec 8, 2024 2:34 PM
#11
Reply to Commit_Crime
@DarkAka
he loved her as his sister ==== and as his lover. Asgykk is canon, Aka is not.
he loved her as his sister ==== and as his lover. Asgykk is canon, Aka is not.
@Commit_Crime Mate, Aka made the ending clear in ONK. He clearly explained that Aqua and Ruby are just siblings at the convention in Barcelona. Mengo said that she wanted to make a spicy doujin about them for the same reason. But Aka said no. If it was true about Ruby, Mengo wouldn't be asking for such a doujin, the fact that Mengo-sensei asked for this and Aka said no at the convention, is proof enough of Aqua's love for Kana, not Ruby, his sister, this was made more than clear in Aqua's dreams and wishes before he died at the end of the manga. Facts. He wanted to see Ruby become an idol, say yes to Arima Kana's feelings. Aka defended this at the convention, and me and the fans who went supported it too. |
Dec 8, 2024 3:19 PM
#12
Reply to DarkAka
@Commit_Crime Mate, Aka made the ending clear in ONK. He clearly explained that Aqua and Ruby are just siblings at the convention in Barcelona. Mengo said that she wanted to make a spicy doujin about them for the same reason. But Aka said no. If it was true about Ruby, Mengo wouldn't be asking for such a doujin, the fact that Mengo-sensei asked for this and Aka said no at the convention, is proof enough of Aqua's love for Kana, not Ruby, his sister, this was made more than clear in Aqua's dreams and wishes before he died at the end of the manga.
Facts. He wanted to see Ruby become an idol, say yes to Arima Kana's feelings. Aka defended this at the convention, and me and the fans who went supported it too.
Facts. He wanted to see Ruby become an idol, say yes to Arima Kana's feelings. Aka defended this at the convention, and me and the fans who went supported it too.
@DarkAka The story was corrupted by earthly things when the first prophet (Aka) started writing it. The same happened with the second prophet (Mengo). With Asgykk (pbuh), its different, Asgykk (pbuh) is a vessel for the story, what Asgykk writes is uncorrupted by earthly things. He is the final prophet of Aquaruby. |
Dec 11, 2024 7:27 PM
#13
Reply to DarkAka
@Commit_Crime I'm a fan of Aka, but I'm not blind to the fact that Aka created a wrong ending, that he didn't care about me at all. That's why he generated so much hate, that hate is not gratuitous, it's justified and I admire that he could defend his ending, after hearing his opinion on the ending at the convention in Spain, not your schizophrenic fantasies of an ending with Ruby and Aqua when Aka made it clear at the Spanish convention that this is NOT POSSIBLE, because it contradicts the idea that Aqua wants Ruby only as his sister, everything that your masturbatory fantasies move you to do, are ONLY YOURS, and THEY DIE WITH YOU. Nothing more, Aka made it clear that the ending is what it is in ONK, and that there is nothing more than that, Aqua loved Ruby as his sister, NEVER AS HIS LOVER, he wanted an equal relationship in friendship with Akane, to thank Memcho for the friendship, to call Miyako mom, to walk with Taiki on the beach like brothers, and to say yes to Kana Arima's love, to be his boyfriend, a mental image that he himself showed us. Tell me, are these fantasies? Or are they facts that Aka himself showed in the manga.
Sorry, your fantasies are yours alone, and you can drown in them. Just like Aqua. Aka made it clear, he never thought of an incest ending like the one Mengo thought of, and that's obvious, right? Aqua only thought of seeing Ruby become an idol, and him as Akane's friend, and Kana's boyfriend. You can bark all you want, but you are NOT AKA. And this is the end of ONK. Facts over opinions. And Aka remembered it again in Barcelona.
Sorry, your fantasies are yours alone, and you can drown in them. Just like Aqua. Aka made it clear, he never thought of an incest ending like the one Mengo thought of, and that's obvious, right? Aqua only thought of seeing Ruby become an idol, and him as Akane's friend, and Kana's boyfriend. You can bark all you want, but you are NOT AKA. And this is the end of ONK. Facts over opinions. And Aka remembered it again in Barcelona.
@DarkAka Aka is just a pretentious asshole who let the success and praise from Kaguya-Sama go to his head. Making him think he can do whatever he wanted for this next work of fiction. Which shows in OnK's conclusion felt like Aka was trying to emulate William Shakespeare without understanding what made the original works so iconic in the first place. Heck Devil is a Part Timer had an even bigger and more resolute backlash from it's conclusion straight up spiting the expecation's of all the fans. Really it's no wonder people have gravitated to Asgykk's AU, since it at least earnest and not mean spirited. |
May 21, 2:42 PM
#14
I should have found this glorious thread much sooner, it must be celebrated with a real twin siblings romance. https://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/2011/10/lifelong-couple-denied-right-to-marry.html A Lifelong Couple Denied the Right to Marry A young man using the name Maki Sola agreed to be interviewed about his consanguinamorous relationship with his sister. Time and time again, we can see that such relationships can be loving and healthy. Describe your background. MS: I'm still a teenager. I've lived in [a southern US state] as far back as I can remember. I do well in school, am largely involved in my Church, and I've always placed my family and friends first. Tell me about your sister. MS: She’s my twin. Even though that makes us fraternal, we still look alike, except she has a more feminine figure. What kind of relationship did you have with her before this dimension of love started? MS: Before I found out I was in love with her, she was my best friend. My parents seemed to not care whatsoever about how close we were, as they never seemed to see anything wrong with us never separating unless it was absolutely necessary, or the hand-holding, or even the sleeping in the same bed. In fact, they rarely paid us any attention at all. That's probably why they didn't know that she would kiss my lips every night before bed. I didn't know there was anything wrong with that, but it never came up either, so they never found out. I guess that even though our relationship is more true and more developed, it was easier when all I cared about was being at her side. It was a childhood I wouldn't trade for anything. We grew up together and we are currently living together with my older brother, older sister, mother, and father. When did you first notice you had feelings for your twin? Were they romantic, sexual, curious, an intense attraction; what? MS: I couldn't say when I first fell in love with her, but I first realized I was in love with her when I found out exactly what making out meant (this was after we started doing that every other night). I didn't know exactly what to make of it, but that night she started to make out with me and I didn't stop her. I didn't feel bad or the slightest bit of remorse. In fact, this was the first time she ever turned me on. I suddenly looked at her in an entirely new light. It was like a flash-flood in my mind. I started to realize how much I loved every bit of her. I wasn't surprised by these feelings, but I was surprised by their extent; how much I loved her. I guess it was some combination of all the feelings you listed, primarily romantic, curious least-so. Are you monogamous, in a closed relationship with each other? MS: We are monogamous, but she recently asked me to start trying to find a "girlfriend" as a cover-up. I was reluctant and tried to insist that I wanted only her, but she made the point that if we were caught we could never be together. She was right, and I got one, but she broke up with me shortly afterwards for refusing to kiss her. It helped for a while though, I think. Does anyone know the full, true nature of your relationship and how did they find out? How have they reacted? MS: My older brother found out about us, actually. I think the way he found out... I think it was the jackets. He noticed it when my sis started finding more things for us to do together, but when she got us matching yin-yang jackets with reverse color scheme and we started wearing them all the time, he really started to think we were getting too close. I guess he was spying on us and caught us one night having sex. At first he didn't know what to do. He didn't speak to us for a couple days, and he suggested we "get help" when he finally did. We argued for a while, then he took another day to think. He was a good big bro in the end and said we should do 'whatever you believe is right in your heart of hearts'. (Obviously, we believe this is right) It was actually his suggestion for one of us to get a cover-up. I think the reason my sister asked me to be the one was because boys always make her nervous and I'm ok with girls. I think he's ultimately interested in our happiness, but as far as our relationship goes, I'm not sure exactly what he thinks. The only other person who knows is my best friend (he caught us making out at the mall). He hasn't actually talked to us about it, though. He just said "I knew it!" and laughs hysterically whenever I try to talk to him about it. He's a total pervert so I don't think he cares much how the sex is happening or who it's with. He told me that before he found out, so I don't think he's much of a liability. How did you start making love with each other? MS: I asked my fore-mentioned best friend for some birth control pills. My sister said that she wanted us to not use a condom our first time, and I agreed. I believe it was worth the wait, but we weren't always thinking of sex. I wasn't sure if it was going to happen at all until one night when we had been making out for a really long time and she started to stroke my erection (I was wearing only boxer briefs at the time, she was wearing only panties). We stared at each other for a long time. I don't remember actually thinking anything. It was one of the most surreal moments of my life. I wanted to make love to her right then more than anything, but I was afraid I might get her pregnant. By that point, since it was only a few weeks away, we made plans for the perfect way to have our first time. On our birthday. How do you feel about the love-making side of the relationship? Is it a natural extension of your general feelings and love? MS: The love-making side of the relationship to me feels the most natural part. There really is no other way to truly express our love for each other. While sex as a whole is normally seen as dirty and incest is taboo, no feeling is as pure as being inside her. It's not easy to describe, but I'm overwhelmed by some unique feeling of unison, as if we were the same person. My thoughts are normally difficult to understand when it's happening, and I feel an uncontrollable sense of joy when it's happening. Since it's so unique there's not much to compare it to, which makes it even harder to describe. I guess the closest word that comes to mind is ecstasy. Do you think family members have some things better or some advantages that unrelated lovers might not, such as more intense feelings and lovemaking? What are some advantages and disadvantages? MS: Yes, I do. I believe that there is a sacred bond within family that intensifies relationships and is unobtainable in any other way then bloodlines. My sister and I have always been together since the moment we were conceived. I could never feel this love for someone I haven't known my entire life. We know everything about each other. As for disadvantages, the only I can think of is the fact we have to hide it. Every now and then while we're making love, I get a little nervous, kind of like the feeling you get as a young child when you're watching a show you've been told you couldn't. Just this horrible feeling like you’re about hear the door open, the most frightening sound you could ever hear. It's quickly over-whelmed by the intense joy it brings me, but if for just a few seconds, I'm scared nearly to death. Does anyone know you as a couple, but not brother and sister? MS: Yes, actually. My sis and I have a few places we love to go because no one there knows us, such as the mall (except for the time my friend was there, too). I noticed another group of kids about our age went there often, too. Apparently, they were a group of skateboarders and inliners, and they saw us one day when we had skates around a park next to the mall. We hang out often now. Do you have sexual or romantic feelings for other close biological relatives, whether they are as intense or not? MS: While I said I have no romantic feelings for my other sister, I can't help but realize how attractive she is. But I still find my twin more beautiful. It's kind of like the difference between hot and cute, but not quite. What are your plans for the future? MS: We've been talking about moving somewhere together and having her use a fake last name until we're married when then, ironically, it will change back. What advice do you have to someone who has romantic or sexual feelings for a close biological relative? MS: The way I ultimately decided to be with her was when a girl told me about her twin, Jesse, who had committed suicide when their relationship was discovered and they were forced to separate. I realized how similar she sounded and knew one thing for certain. Nothing should stop true love. People are born into families not of their own will, and just because someone was born with them shouldn't mean they can't love each other. Just until you can find a place to run away together, or until it's legal, keep it hidden, preferably better than I have so far. As far as purely sexual feelings go... Well, I guess they already love each other anyway because they're family, right? It's healthy to experiment. What do you want to say about people who disapprove of your love? MS: I want them to open their eyes and mind. If they would just for a moment think logically, they would see my side. I have asked people what's wrong with our relationship, but all they say is that it's wrong or disgusting without giving any reasons. Something they seem to forget is that stopping true love is also morally wrong. I believe they're the kind of people that people in the future will look back on the same way they look at people who were against interracial marriage. Would you get legally married if you could, and if that included protection from things such as bullying and workplace discrimination based on your relationship? MS: We used to talk about marriage when we were kids, before we knew of any problems that might create. Now we know it's illegal and we still want to. I would love nothing more than to marry her. Do you personally know, or have you met in person, other couples like you (that you are aware of?) MS: One. We met online, but then found out they were in the area. We met in a park, and even used a code phrase before really talking. They're not twins, but their relationship is similar to ours. I love to talk with them. It's always nice to know you're not the only one. I already knew that, of course, but it's more tangible in person. Is there anything you want to add? MS: Just that I've found this to be the best thing that ever happened to me. The only thing that could make it better is the promise of marriage. # # # |
*kappa* |
May 21, 3:01 PM
#15
Reply to Zarutaku
I should have found this glorious thread much sooner, it must be celebrated with a real twin siblings romance.
https://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/2011/10/lifelong-couple-denied-right-to-marry.html
https://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/2011/10/lifelong-couple-denied-right-to-marry.html
A Lifelong Couple Denied the Right to Marry
A young man using the name Maki Sola agreed to be interviewed about his consanguinamorous relationship with his sister.
Time and time again, we can see that such relationships can be loving and healthy.
Describe your background.
MS: I'm still a teenager. I've lived in [a southern US state] as far back as I can remember. I do well in school, am largely involved in my Church, and I've always placed my family and friends first.
Tell me about your sister.
MS: She’s my twin. Even though that makes us fraternal, we still look alike, except she has a more feminine figure.
What kind of relationship did you have with her before this dimension of love started?
MS: Before I found out I was in love with her, she was my best friend. My parents seemed to not care whatsoever about how close we were, as they never seemed to see anything wrong with us never separating unless it was absolutely necessary, or the hand-holding, or even the sleeping in the same bed. In fact, they rarely paid us any attention at all. That's probably why they didn't know that she would kiss my lips every night before bed. I didn't know there was anything wrong with that, but it never came up either, so they never found out. I guess that even though our relationship is more true and more developed, it was easier when all I cared about was being at her side. It was a childhood I wouldn't trade for anything.
We grew up together and we are currently living together with my older brother, older sister, mother, and father.
When did you first notice you had feelings for your twin? Were they romantic, sexual, curious, an intense attraction; what?
MS: I couldn't say when I first fell in love with her, but I first realized I was in love with her when I found out exactly what making out meant (this was after we started doing that every other night). I didn't know exactly what to make of it, but that night she started to make out with me and I didn't stop her. I didn't feel bad or the slightest bit of remorse. In fact, this was the first time she ever turned me on. I suddenly looked at her in an entirely new light. It was like a flash-flood in my mind. I started to realize how much I loved every bit of her. I wasn't surprised by these feelings, but I was surprised by their extent; how much I loved her. I guess it was some combination of all the feelings you listed, primarily romantic, curious least-so.
Are you monogamous, in a closed relationship with each other?
MS: We are monogamous, but she recently asked me to start trying to find a "girlfriend" as a cover-up. I was reluctant and tried to insist that I wanted only her, but she made the point that if we were caught we could never be together. She was right, and I got one, but she broke up with me shortly afterwards for refusing to kiss her. It helped for a while though, I think.
Does anyone know the full, true nature of your relationship and how did they find out? How have they reacted?
MS: My older brother found out about us, actually. I think the way he found out... I think it was the jackets. He noticed it when my sis started finding more things for us to do together, but when she got us matching yin-yang jackets with reverse color scheme and we started wearing them all the time, he really started to think we were getting too close. I guess he was spying on us and caught us one night having sex. At first he didn't know what to do. He didn't speak to us for a couple days, and he suggested we "get help" when he finally did. We argued for a while, then he took another day to think. He was a good big bro in the end and said we should do 'whatever you believe is right in your heart of hearts'. (Obviously, we believe this is right) It was actually his suggestion for one of us to get a cover-up. I think the reason my sister asked me to be the one was because boys always make her nervous and I'm ok with girls. I think he's ultimately interested in our happiness, but as far as our relationship goes, I'm not sure exactly what he thinks.
The only other person who knows is my best friend (he caught us making out at the mall). He hasn't actually talked to us about it, though. He just said "I knew it!" and laughs hysterically whenever I try to talk to him about it. He's a total pervert so I don't think he cares much how the sex is happening or who it's with. He told me that before he found out, so I don't think he's much of a liability.
How did you start making love with each other?
MS: I asked my fore-mentioned best friend for some birth control pills. My sister said that she wanted us to not use a condom our first time, and I agreed. I believe it was worth the wait, but we weren't always thinking of sex. I wasn't sure if it was going to happen at all until one night when we had been making out for a really long time and she started to stroke my erection (I was wearing only boxer briefs at the time, she was wearing only panties). We stared at each other for a long time. I don't remember actually thinking anything. It was one of the most surreal moments of my life. I wanted to make love to her right then more than anything, but I was afraid I might get her pregnant. By that point, since it was only a few weeks away, we made plans for the perfect way to have our first time. On our birthday.
How do you feel about the love-making side of the relationship? Is it a natural extension of your general feelings and love?
MS: The love-making side of the relationship to me feels the most natural part. There really is no other way to truly express our love for each other. While sex as a whole is normally seen as dirty and incest is taboo, no feeling is as pure as being inside her. It's not easy to describe, but I'm overwhelmed by some unique feeling of unison, as if we were the same person. My thoughts are normally difficult to understand when it's happening, and I feel an uncontrollable sense of joy when it's happening. Since it's so unique there's not much to compare it to, which makes it even harder to describe. I guess the closest word that comes to mind is ecstasy.
Do you think family members have some things better or some advantages that unrelated lovers might not, such as more intense feelings and lovemaking? What are some advantages and disadvantages?
MS: Yes, I do. I believe that there is a sacred bond within family that intensifies relationships and is unobtainable in any other way then bloodlines. My sister and I have always been together since the moment we were conceived. I could never feel this love for someone I haven't known my entire life. We know everything about each other.
As for disadvantages, the only I can think of is the fact we have to hide it. Every now and then while we're making love, I get a little nervous, kind of like the feeling you get as a young child when you're watching a show you've been told you couldn't. Just this horrible feeling like you’re about hear the door open, the most frightening sound you could ever hear. It's quickly over-whelmed by the intense joy it brings me, but if for just a few seconds, I'm scared nearly to death.
Does anyone know you as a couple, but not brother and sister?
MS: Yes, actually. My sis and I have a few places we love to go because no one there knows us, such as the mall (except for the time my friend was there, too). I noticed another group of kids about our age went there often, too. Apparently, they were a group of skateboarders and inliners, and they saw us one day when we had skates around a park next to the mall. We hang out often now.
Do you have sexual or romantic feelings for other close biological relatives, whether they are as intense or not?
MS: While I said I have no romantic feelings for my other sister, I can't help but realize how attractive she is. But I still find my twin more beautiful. It's kind of like the difference between hot and cute, but not quite.
What are your plans for the future?
MS: We've been talking about moving somewhere together and having her use a fake last name until we're married when then, ironically, it will change back.
What advice do you have to someone who has romantic or sexual feelings for a close biological relative?
MS: The way I ultimately decided to be with her was when a girl told me about her twin, Jesse, who had committed suicide when their relationship was discovered and they were forced to separate. I realized how similar she sounded and knew one thing for certain. Nothing should stop true love. People are born into families not of their own will, and just because someone was born with them shouldn't mean they can't love each other. Just until you can find a place to run away together, or until it's legal, keep it hidden, preferably better than I have so far.
As far as purely sexual feelings go... Well, I guess they already love each other anyway because they're family, right? It's healthy to experiment.
What do you want to say about people who disapprove of your love?
MS: I want them to open their eyes and mind. If they would just for a moment think logically, they would see my side. I have asked people what's wrong with our relationship, but all they say is that it's wrong or disgusting without giving any reasons. Something they seem to forget is that stopping true love is also morally wrong. I believe they're the kind of people that people in the future will look back on the same way they look at people who were against interracial marriage.
Would you get legally married if you could, and if that included protection from things such as bullying and workplace discrimination based on your relationship?
MS: We used to talk about marriage when we were kids, before we knew of any problems that might create. Now we know it's illegal and we still want to. I would love nothing more than to marry her.
Do you personally know, or have you met in person, other couples like you (that you are aware of?)
MS: One. We met online, but then found out they were in the area. We met in a park, and even used a code phrase before really talking. They're not twins, but their relationship is similar to ours. I love to talk with them. It's always nice to know you're not the only one. I already knew that, of course, but it's more tangible in person.
Is there anything you want to add?
MS: Just that I've found this to be the best thing that ever happened to me. The only thing that could make it better is the promise of marriage.
# # #
A young man using the name Maki Sola agreed to be interviewed about his consanguinamorous relationship with his sister.
Time and time again, we can see that such relationships can be loving and healthy.
Describe your background.
MS: I'm still a teenager. I've lived in [a southern US state] as far back as I can remember. I do well in school, am largely involved in my Church, and I've always placed my family and friends first.
Tell me about your sister.
MS: She’s my twin. Even though that makes us fraternal, we still look alike, except she has a more feminine figure.
What kind of relationship did you have with her before this dimension of love started?
MS: Before I found out I was in love with her, she was my best friend. My parents seemed to not care whatsoever about how close we were, as they never seemed to see anything wrong with us never separating unless it was absolutely necessary, or the hand-holding, or even the sleeping in the same bed. In fact, they rarely paid us any attention at all. That's probably why they didn't know that she would kiss my lips every night before bed. I didn't know there was anything wrong with that, but it never came up either, so they never found out. I guess that even though our relationship is more true and more developed, it was easier when all I cared about was being at her side. It was a childhood I wouldn't trade for anything.
We grew up together and we are currently living together with my older brother, older sister, mother, and father.
When did you first notice you had feelings for your twin? Were they romantic, sexual, curious, an intense attraction; what?
MS: I couldn't say when I first fell in love with her, but I first realized I was in love with her when I found out exactly what making out meant (this was after we started doing that every other night). I didn't know exactly what to make of it, but that night she started to make out with me and I didn't stop her. I didn't feel bad or the slightest bit of remorse. In fact, this was the first time she ever turned me on. I suddenly looked at her in an entirely new light. It was like a flash-flood in my mind. I started to realize how much I loved every bit of her. I wasn't surprised by these feelings, but I was surprised by their extent; how much I loved her. I guess it was some combination of all the feelings you listed, primarily romantic, curious least-so.
Are you monogamous, in a closed relationship with each other?
MS: We are monogamous, but she recently asked me to start trying to find a "girlfriend" as a cover-up. I was reluctant and tried to insist that I wanted only her, but she made the point that if we were caught we could never be together. She was right, and I got one, but she broke up with me shortly afterwards for refusing to kiss her. It helped for a while though, I think.
Does anyone know the full, true nature of your relationship and how did they find out? How have they reacted?
MS: My older brother found out about us, actually. I think the way he found out... I think it was the jackets. He noticed it when my sis started finding more things for us to do together, but when she got us matching yin-yang jackets with reverse color scheme and we started wearing them all the time, he really started to think we were getting too close. I guess he was spying on us and caught us one night having sex. At first he didn't know what to do. He didn't speak to us for a couple days, and he suggested we "get help" when he finally did. We argued for a while, then he took another day to think. He was a good big bro in the end and said we should do 'whatever you believe is right in your heart of hearts'. (Obviously, we believe this is right) It was actually his suggestion for one of us to get a cover-up. I think the reason my sister asked me to be the one was because boys always make her nervous and I'm ok with girls. I think he's ultimately interested in our happiness, but as far as our relationship goes, I'm not sure exactly what he thinks.
The only other person who knows is my best friend (he caught us making out at the mall). He hasn't actually talked to us about it, though. He just said "I knew it!" and laughs hysterically whenever I try to talk to him about it. He's a total pervert so I don't think he cares much how the sex is happening or who it's with. He told me that before he found out, so I don't think he's much of a liability.
How did you start making love with each other?
MS: I asked my fore-mentioned best friend for some birth control pills. My sister said that she wanted us to not use a condom our first time, and I agreed. I believe it was worth the wait, but we weren't always thinking of sex. I wasn't sure if it was going to happen at all until one night when we had been making out for a really long time and she started to stroke my erection (I was wearing only boxer briefs at the time, she was wearing only panties). We stared at each other for a long time. I don't remember actually thinking anything. It was one of the most surreal moments of my life. I wanted to make love to her right then more than anything, but I was afraid I might get her pregnant. By that point, since it was only a few weeks away, we made plans for the perfect way to have our first time. On our birthday.
How do you feel about the love-making side of the relationship? Is it a natural extension of your general feelings and love?
MS: The love-making side of the relationship to me feels the most natural part. There really is no other way to truly express our love for each other. While sex as a whole is normally seen as dirty and incest is taboo, no feeling is as pure as being inside her. It's not easy to describe, but I'm overwhelmed by some unique feeling of unison, as if we were the same person. My thoughts are normally difficult to understand when it's happening, and I feel an uncontrollable sense of joy when it's happening. Since it's so unique there's not much to compare it to, which makes it even harder to describe. I guess the closest word that comes to mind is ecstasy.
Do you think family members have some things better or some advantages that unrelated lovers might not, such as more intense feelings and lovemaking? What are some advantages and disadvantages?
MS: Yes, I do. I believe that there is a sacred bond within family that intensifies relationships and is unobtainable in any other way then bloodlines. My sister and I have always been together since the moment we were conceived. I could never feel this love for someone I haven't known my entire life. We know everything about each other.
As for disadvantages, the only I can think of is the fact we have to hide it. Every now and then while we're making love, I get a little nervous, kind of like the feeling you get as a young child when you're watching a show you've been told you couldn't. Just this horrible feeling like you’re about hear the door open, the most frightening sound you could ever hear. It's quickly over-whelmed by the intense joy it brings me, but if for just a few seconds, I'm scared nearly to death.
Does anyone know you as a couple, but not brother and sister?
MS: Yes, actually. My sis and I have a few places we love to go because no one there knows us, such as the mall (except for the time my friend was there, too). I noticed another group of kids about our age went there often, too. Apparently, they were a group of skateboarders and inliners, and they saw us one day when we had skates around a park next to the mall. We hang out often now.
Do you have sexual or romantic feelings for other close biological relatives, whether they are as intense or not?
MS: While I said I have no romantic feelings for my other sister, I can't help but realize how attractive she is. But I still find my twin more beautiful. It's kind of like the difference between hot and cute, but not quite.
What are your plans for the future?
MS: We've been talking about moving somewhere together and having her use a fake last name until we're married when then, ironically, it will change back.
What advice do you have to someone who has romantic or sexual feelings for a close biological relative?
MS: The way I ultimately decided to be with her was when a girl told me about her twin, Jesse, who had committed suicide when their relationship was discovered and they were forced to separate. I realized how similar she sounded and knew one thing for certain. Nothing should stop true love. People are born into families not of their own will, and just because someone was born with them shouldn't mean they can't love each other. Just until you can find a place to run away together, or until it's legal, keep it hidden, preferably better than I have so far.
As far as purely sexual feelings go... Well, I guess they already love each other anyway because they're family, right? It's healthy to experiment.
What do you want to say about people who disapprove of your love?
MS: I want them to open their eyes and mind. If they would just for a moment think logically, they would see my side. I have asked people what's wrong with our relationship, but all they say is that it's wrong or disgusting without giving any reasons. Something they seem to forget is that stopping true love is also morally wrong. I believe they're the kind of people that people in the future will look back on the same way they look at people who were against interracial marriage.
Would you get legally married if you could, and if that included protection from things such as bullying and workplace discrimination based on your relationship?
MS: We used to talk about marriage when we were kids, before we knew of any problems that might create. Now we know it's illegal and we still want to. I would love nothing more than to marry her.
Do you personally know, or have you met in person, other couples like you (that you are aware of?)
MS: One. We met online, but then found out they were in the area. We met in a park, and even used a code phrase before really talking. They're not twins, but their relationship is similar to ours. I love to talk with them. It's always nice to know you're not the only one. I already knew that, of course, but it's more tangible in person.
Is there anything you want to add?
MS: Just that I've found this to be the best thing that ever happened to me. The only thing that could make it better is the promise of marriage.
# # #
@Zarutaku God bless those two, thanks for sharing |
May 22, 4:23 AM
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I just realized the true meaning of life and the ultimate purpose of human existence: the worship of mutually loving twin siblings. They should be provided with the best possible lives, and they should be our sacred leaders, guiding us the way to true happiness. |
ZarutakuMay 22, 5:19 PM
*kappa* |
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