| This is a slightly subjective opinion but I did make a previous post complaining about Nobara's role in the Shibuya Incident arc and how she was mistreated. After reading the manga, I am caught up in the current chapter. I just wish that Jujutsu Kaisen would've stopped treating Nobara as a part of the main trio. Even in the marketing, she was consistently put in all promotional posters which made us believe she was going to play an important role in the story but unfortunately, her place in the narrative has very little significance. My hero academia and Naruto made the same mistake, they made us believe that Sakura-Naruto-Sasuke and Lida-Ochako-Deku were going to be a trio that we would get invested in but we got baited. In the end, Naruto focused on focusing rivalry between Sasuke and Naruto whereas My Hero Academia replaced Lida and Ochaku with Todoroki and Bakugo in the trio. I changed my little bit about Jujutsu Kaisen and I see people on social media complaining about the treatment of female characters in Jujutsu Kaisen. To me, this seems more like a general issue rather than an issue based on gender. |
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Drobot said:
Nobara WAS part of the main trio. She got almost as much attention as Megumi in Season 1, and a fair amount of significance in season 2. Because She is (was) q main character, so got lots of marketing. With Nobara dead (Supposedly) and Gojo trapped in the Prison Realm, for Season 3, they won't be marketed, and instead will market the current main characters (Maki, Yuta, Comedian guy who's name escapes me.) Characters who play a major roll get marketing. When they no longer play that roll, others will step up and take their place
Nobara WAS part of the main trio. She got almost as much attention as Megumi in Season 1, and a fair amount of significance in season 2. Because She is (was) q main character, so got lots of marketing. With Nobara dead (Supposedly) and Gojo trapped in the Prison Realm, for Season 3, they won't be marketed, and instead will market the current main characters (Maki, Yuta, Comedian guy who's name escapes me.) Characters who play a major roll get marketing. When they no longer play that roll, others will step up and take their place
jjk still fails to have any female character that add significant substance to the plot (or in the case of maki is both shadowed and a stand in for a male character, toji). You cant name a female character that isn't a sacrifice, support, or "useless" because there is none even maki like i said doesn't really get to stand out because she will always be compared to Toji as she is just his stand in, slightly better than the rest of the cast of women but probably will fall under one or more of the other categories. Nobara deserved more, especially being a natural rival to mahito, and really many of the male and female cast members deserved a little more but because Nobara was a "maincast"/trio should have been given more significance
| @azreiiiel And that makes JJK stand out in its own way. Im not misogynistic in anyway, but I don't really like to see a lot of female characters in battle shounen like this. JJK just has the right amount of balance between male and female characters. JJK is mainly male dominant, but also has many female cast like Yuki, Nobara and Maki. Some of these female characters will also have significant development in the manga too, so its not like the mangaka purposefully made women useless in this show. The other thing is, JJK doesn't follow the traditional norms, where the main trio MUST be the trio that accomplishes everything. Even Itadori, when fighting Choso and was about to get killled, he thought to himself that he is a mere “gear”. He doesn't need to be the one that saves Gojo. This shows that, although we as the audience thinks the main trio are the main characters, the characters themselves don't "act" like the main character. They just do whats needed as a sorcerer, and they could easily sacrifice their lives. You might argue thats bad writing, but from the character's POV, this is perfect. |
Itsuki >  |
| I get what you're talking about, but it feels like you're just reading too much into promo stuff. It would have been odd not to include a prominent character from season one just because they plan to kill her off or will only play a small part. There would be a lack of surprise by doing it that way if they didn't make that many products or put her on posters. I wouldn't agree that these shows baited us. In Naruto, we did see them working as a team, and improving together. It's just the story went in a different direction. As for MHA, while they were setting up Deku, Ochako, and Iida as the trio team, they quickly broke away from that and showed us the characters want to improve in their ways. I like MHA for not sticking with the trio team. Deku does still work with these guys, but he can work in any group he's put in. That's just my viewpoint. I honestly didn't care much for Nobara in the first place. I didn't hate her, but I didn't care for her either. |
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Zimmu said:
@azreiiiel
And that makes JJK stand out in its own way. Im not misogynistic in anyway, but I don't really like to see a lot of female characters in battle shounen like this. JJK just has the right amount of balance between male and female characters. JJK is mainly male dominant, but also has many female cast like Yuki, Nobara and Maki. Some of these female characters will also have significant development in the manga too, so its not like the mangaka purposefully made women useless in this show.
The other thing is, JJK doesn't follow the traditional norms, where the main trio MUST be the trio that accomplishes everything. Even Itadori, when fighting Choso and was about to get killled, he thought to himself that he is a mere “gear”. He doesn't need to be the one that saves Gojo. This shows that, although we as the audience thinks the main trio are the main characters, the characters themselves don't "act" like the main character. They just do whats needed as a sorcerer, and they could easily sacrifice their lives. You might argue thats bad writing, but from the character's POV, this is perfect.
@azreiiiel
And that makes JJK stand out in its own way. Im not misogynistic in anyway, but I don't really like to see a lot of female characters in battle shounen like this. JJK just has the right amount of balance between male and female characters. JJK is mainly male dominant, but also has many female cast like Yuki, Nobara and Maki. Some of these female characters will also have significant development in the manga too, so its not like the mangaka purposefully made women useless in this show.
The other thing is, JJK doesn't follow the traditional norms, where the main trio MUST be the trio that accomplishes everything. Even Itadori, when fighting Choso and was about to get killled, he thought to himself that he is a mere “gear”. He doesn't need to be the one that saves Gojo. This shows that, although we as the audience thinks the main trio are the main characters, the characters themselves don't "act" like the main character. They just do whats needed as a sorcerer, and they could easily sacrifice their lives. You might argue thats bad writing, but from the character's POV, this is perfect.
but they don't have that much development, outside of maybe maki not even yuki gets all that much. i understand its not like other shounen but nobara was given to us as a important side character only to be quickly thrown away and add little if anything to the plot
| @azreiiiel I think its because JJK's narrative isn't really centered around the main trio all the time. For example, Itadori is the main character, but we have an entire arc dedicated to Gojo and Yuta. Even in Culling Game, Itadori's apperance was very minimal and the fights in CG are balanced between other characters. Therefore, my point being, although characters like Nobara are considered an important side character, it doesn't really mean they have plot armor. If it is her time to die, especially because she fell for Mahito's trick, then she will take the responsibility for it. I think its a reasonable approach, as it highlights the brutality associated with the themes of JJK, and how there aren't any sorcerer who aren't feeling regret when they die. Nobara's role might seem limited in terms of screen time, but her impact on the narrative and on other characters, particularly in terms of building the world and setting up future plot points, is significant. You make a good point about character development, however, she already had her development in the finale of S1, and considering its not even a year before she became a "professional sorcerer", shes made some great developments already. |
ZimmuDec 30, 2023 3:25 PM
| Itsuki > |
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@azreiiiel
I think its because JJK's narrative isn't really centered around the main trio all the time. For example, Itadori is the main character, but we have an entire arc dedicated to Gojo and Yuta. Even in Culling Game, Itadori's apperance was very minimal and the fights in CG are balanced between other characters. Therefore, my point being, although characters like Nobara are considered an important side character, it doesn't really mean they have plot armor. If it is her time to die, especially because she fell for Mahito's trick, then she will take the responsibility for it. I think its a reasonable approach, as it highlights the brutality associated with the themes of JJK, and how there aren't any sorcerer who aren't feeling regret when they die.
Nobara's role might seem limited in terms of screen time, but her impact on the narrative and on other characters, particularly in terms of building the world and setting up future plot points, is significant. You make a good point about character development, however, she already had her development in the finale of S1, and considering its not even a year before she became a "professional sorcerer", shes made some great developments already.
I think its because JJK's narrative isn't really centered around the main trio all the time. For example, Itadori is the main character, but we have an entire arc dedicated to Gojo and Yuta. Even in Culling Game, Itadori's apperance was very minimal and the fights in CG are balanced between other characters. Therefore, my point being, although characters like Nobara are considered an important side character, it doesn't really mean they have plot armor. If it is her time to die, especially because she fell for Mahito's trick, then she will take the responsibility for it. I think its a reasonable approach, as it highlights the brutality associated with the themes of JJK, and how there aren't any sorcerer who aren't feeling regret when they die.
Nobara's role might seem limited in terms of screen time, but her impact on the narrative and on other characters, particularly in terms of building the world and setting up future plot points, is significant. You make a good point about character development, however, she already had her development in the finale of S1, and considering its not even a year before she became a "professional sorcerer", shes made some great developments already.
| @Zimmu One thing I find relatively unique about JJK is how regularly it shifts the narrative focus between characters. I can see how this can be both a good and bad thing though. So many fans have complained about the inconsistent character developments (often being shoehorned in), which I agree with to some extent, but on the flip side we get to see more characters being fleshed out. But on the flip flip side, with the constant character focus shifts fans keep yearning for more development/screen time for their favourite characters. I hope they are able to balance out these areas in future seasons. |
ZaboobyDec 30, 2023 3:25 PM
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YMW18 said:
nobara is alive and will come back
nobara is alive and will come back
I thought that too at first but there is no way. I just feel like that time has most definitely passed
| @swamp881 Mahito definitely want her dead. However, the scene when Todo and his buddy came to save Yuji and also explaining her death is not certain. MAPPA even slap on some hope bgm. It would definitely be bad writing or poor episode execution if they fail to deliver what actually happened rather than confusing us audience. |
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@swamp881
Mahito definitely want her dead.
However, the scene when Todo and his buddy came to save Yuji and also explaining her death is not certain.
MAPPA even slap on some hope bgm.
It would definitely be bad writing or poor episode execution if they fail to deliver what actually happened rather than confusing us audience.
Mahito definitely want her dead.
However, the scene when Todo and his buddy came to save Yuji and also explaining her death is not certain.
MAPPA even slap on some hope bgm.
It would definitely be bad writing or poor episode execution if they fail to deliver what actually happened rather than confusing us audience.
| @Fuwa_san Her conditions was actually hinted in the manga. Itadori asked Fushiguro how was Nobara, and Fushiguro didn't answer. Itadori then realized. They didn't really answer directly if shes alive or dead, but I think you can interpret it as her being dead. This isn't really poor writing, its just that anime didn't cover the section in the manga and made Nobara's conditions seem confusing |
| Itsuki > |
| Gege really have troubles handling female characters. When you think about it he has problem with his characters in general, but the females in specific end up getting shafted mroe often than not. |
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