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Aug 23, 2023 3:49 AM
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Warning this article contains spoilers from the series[spoiler]

I feel the whole story is a bit wrong. The action scenes, the funny stuff and the yuri bait doesn't fool you from seeing the main story point and how this is going.

And the major point for my opinion is Charlotte the so-called princess.

From the series until this movie I find her whole character of that girl unethical, an idealist with empty morals.
Her whole life was based on a lie and lies keep going on. I don't care if they tell her backstory because I have to know about her true identity and through all of this princess training was a bit rough. We never saw Ange's backstory which was definitely more rough. But after this she meets again with Ange, and instead of changing places and letting Ange see her real family, she wants to be a Queen ? What kind of plot is that ? What kind of selfish unfair request is that ?

And they justify that because Ange, when was the first time seeing the world outside made that promise, and now Charlotte takes this promise to her advantage and uses it as an excuse to become Queen, destroy the wall and then live happily ever after ?

No no no this is so wrong. I can't justify Charlotte's actions or her character. For me she's just a spoiled brat who doesn't take the feelings from others (especially from Ange) seriously, speaks patriotic without any right, acts like a princess with emptiness, conceits without morals and values. And despite these, the main issue is it's all based on a lie, her role, her life, even the double lies she says when she plays the spy and betrays her kingdom. You can support an honest purpose relying on so many lies and so many untruths.

That's why Bishop's last words were prophetic, if Ange and Charlotte keep telling lies they are going to share the same fate.

If they want to save this whole twisted story the need in the end to change back the two girls to the right places for each of them. Ange is ten times more princess than this airhead blonde. Anyone can see the major difference when they disguise and switch places, when Ange plays the princess role it gives Aristocratic vibes and a feeling of respect to her face. When you see Charlotte (also in the princess role) it gives you the kind of feeling when you watch some silly happy princesses from Isekai Kingdoms.
Aug 23, 2023 5:45 PM
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Problem one is Ange doesn't seem to care much about being Princess, or her family, and would easily give that life up, and being a spy to be free with Charlotte. If she wanted her life back, the two would have changed places back years ago.  

By this point, it doesn't even matter if the two switch back. Ange's spy skills are important, and Charlotte most likely has kept info on the families. Yeah, they could just exchange that info, but it doesn't mean the two could pull it off. 

It just seems like you don't like Charlotte as a character.
Oct 5, 2023 2:59 AM
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what the other guys said, but also, a character being not up to your morals doesn't mean its "wrong" or even "bad".

its just an element of the story. it makes sense. its creates for great conflicts.

there is no one forcing you to like her. there is no rule that says every character that you morally disagree with is poorly written.
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Oct 5, 2023 3:24 AM
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APolygons2 said:
what the other guys said, but also, a character being not up to your morals doesn't mean its "wrong" or even "bad".

its just an element of the story. it makes sense. its creates for great conflicts.

there is no one forcing you to like her. there is no rule that says every character that you morally disagree with is poorly written.

There's also no one forcing me not to tell my opinion about a character or the whole series.

I never just said I didn't like her character and that's it.

I wrote a whole essay explaining why I think this character is poorly written and how it destroys the whole meaning of the story (doesn't bring an element). I explained my opinion with arguments, explanations and details.

If you disagree with me, explain why with the same way. Don't just say "if you don't like it don't watch it or keep your opinion to yourself".
Oct 5, 2023 3:38 AM
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APolygons2 said:
what the other guys said, but also, a character being not up to your morals doesn't mean its "wrong" or even "bad".

its just an element of the story. it makes sense. its creates for great conflicts.

there is no one forcing you to like her. there is no rule that says every character that you morally disagree with is poorly written.

There's also no one forcing me not to tell my opinion about a character or the whole series.

I never just said I didn't like her character and that's it.

I wrote a whole essay explaining why I think this character is poorly written and how it destroys the whole meaning of the story (doesn't bring an element). I explained my opinion with arguments, explanations and details.

If you disagree with me, explain why with the same way. Don't just say "if you don't like it don't watch it or keep your opinion to yourself".
@IOANNIS1940 I didn't say keep your opinion to yourself.

Through out the entire thing you talked about why she is morally wrong. not why she is poorly written.

so I replied by saying morals are not what make a character good or bad.


plus doubling on the point of the other guy in the thread.

maybe she is a selfish brat, maybe not. my point was that morals are just that. they don't make a character wrong or bad, unless their morals are inconsistant, which is not the case here.
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Oct 5, 2023 4:09 AM
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APolygons2 said:
@IOANNIS1940 I didn't say keep your opinion to yourself.

Through out the entire thing you talked about why she is morally wrong. not why she is poorly written.

so I replied by saying morals are not what make a character good or bad.


plus doubling on the point of the other guy in the thread.

maybe she is a selfish brat, maybe not. my point was that morals are just that. they don't make a character wrong or bad, unless their morals are inconsistant, which is not the case here.

Sorry about my inconvenience or disturbing tone of my reply.

Maybe I give too much attention to the morals and the character of a person in the anime.

But I can't do otherwise, I'm a member who judges the character by his actions and morals.

If the morals of one character guide their actions and their behavior then they do make a character good or bad.

If morals do not make a character good or bad then what does it ?
Oct 5, 2023 5:10 AM
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APolygons2 said:
@IOANNIS1940 I didn't say keep your opinion to yourself.

Through out the entire thing you talked about why she is morally wrong. not why she is poorly written.

so I replied by saying morals are not what make a character good or bad.


plus doubling on the point of the other guy in the thread.

maybe she is a selfish brat, maybe not. my point was that morals are just that. they don't make a character wrong or bad, unless their morals are inconsistant, which is not the case here.

Sorry about my inconvenience or disturbing tone of my reply.

Maybe I give too much attention to the morals and the character of a person in the anime.

But I can't do otherwise, I'm a member who judges the character by his actions and morals.

If the morals of one character guide their actions and their behavior then they do make a character good or bad.

If morals do not make a character good or bad then what does it ?
@IOANNIS1940

IOANNIS1940 said:
If morals do not make a character good or bad then what does it ?


The writing does.

Ok so. There is multiple factors to a character being good. but all of them are dependant.

Being funny make a comic relief good. being lovable makes for a great hero.

There are countless traits a character can have to make them more engaging.

Be it complexity, a unique ideology or philosophy, Humour, a lovable personality, a twisted mind that you can't help see work, or all of these at once and more.

and there is also consistency, which just means your character has to "make sense" withing the context of what their character is. if a morally good character kills someone for no reason and it is never explained, that ruins their character. makes it inconsistent which is bad.

ultimately the worst characters are either "so boring that you have nothing to say about them AKA they are 1 dimensional" or they are "characters that don't make sense"

and the absolute worst would be characters that are both of those at the same time.


Charlote is arguably not the best person, but I can name countless characters who are FAR more morally questionable than her, yet they are some of mine, and many others favourite characters.

From light yagami, to askeladd, to rudeus, to Yohan, to bondrewd, to Dio....

and in none anime media, from walter white and a lot of other breaking bad characters, to bill sypher, to joker and countless more.



There are characters that we love to hate, characters that we love despite their wrong actions, characters that we hate but still are fascinated by, characters that we root for to get better, characters that do bad things but we still honour

there is nothing wrong with being morally bad in fiction.

A pure evil character is just as boring as a pure good one is. Most great characters are a shade of grey.


also don't worry about that ishinashi53 kid. He is a known troll on this website with over 500 accounts who keeps getting banned but still comes back. He goes out of his way to spoil shows, spread hate, be every negative something-sist you can possibly be. and just be a piece of crap in general.

mods have tried banning him. mods have failed at banning him. there isn't really much you can do about it.
APolygons2Oct 5, 2023 5:13 AM
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