| I picked up learning Japanese seriously not too long ago, and now I'm at the point where I can watch an entire series raw while understanding ~99% of the words. The thing is, though, that only holds true for "easy" anime. For example, I watched both seasons of Nisekoi raw, and I hardly had to look any words up at all because the vocabulary was pretty simple. On the other hand, I just finished watching Mikakunin de Shinkoukei raw and I was pausing every 5-10 seconds to look up a new word. The up side of that was that I ended up adding hundreds of new vocabulary words to my list, but the price of that was, of course, time. If I have to look up the vocabulary that often, then it starts to feel more like studying than just relaxing while watching anime. What I am basically looking for right now is a middle ground. The important difference between Nisekoi and Mikakunin de Shinkoukei is the demographic. Although both are tagged as Comedy, Romance, School, Nisekoi is shounen while Mikakunin de Shinkoukei is Seinen. I never seemed to realize this before, but uncommon vocabulary words pop up all over the place in the Seinen demographic probably because it would seem more creative, and therefore more enjoyable, to an adult, native Japanese speaker. I, on the other hand, probably have the Japanese listening comprehension of a middle schooler (being generous). School Life/Slice of Life seems to be the easiest to watch, so I would like to continue watching raws in that category. Sci-fi introduces too much technical vocab, so I would like to stay away from that for now. To summarize, I would like a recommendation that meets these three criteria: 1) Shounen with upper level difficulty vocab (the recommender should have at least a vague idea of the vocabulary's difficulty) 2) School Life/Slice of Life (or anything that doesn't have technical terminology everywhere) 3) An anime that I haven't seen already. This is important because I would feel less inclined to look up new vocab if I already remember what is being talked about. Just double check my list before you recommend anything. (It takes literally 1 second to do a Ctrl+f search.) よろしく頼む。 |
conker7777Aug 9, 2015 8:40 PM
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| If you dont mind me asking, what did you use to learn japanese, i would like to learn to speak and understand it, not so much read/write it. Also, you can just watch with subtitles and not read them you know lol |
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Zivith said: You can learn a lot just by listening and reading the text. I know that, but i mean to actually learn it, itll take much longer by watching anime, i can already understand some from just having watched a bunch of anime |
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Zivith said: That's true: I can recognize many words now but constructing a sentence and kanji are both at zero level for me. Like Dawnslicer I'd be interested in how the OP went about learning enough to get to middle-school level, including the kanji part.You can learn a lot just by listening and reading the text. |
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Dawnslicer said: If you dont mind me asking, what did you use to learn japanese, i would like to learn to speak and understand it, not so much read/write it. Also, you can just watch with subtitles and not read them you know lol Memrise was basically what started me off. I still can't get over how efficiently this website teaches foreign language vocab. http://www.memrise.com/course/12/introduction-to-japanese/ I started out learning all of the hiragana and katakana. (Pay attention to the hiragana42 memes.) If you're as hardcore obsessive as I am, it should take you about 3 hours to master all of the hiragana, and another 3 hours to master all of the katakana. If you intend to learn Japanese without overcoming this first step, then I would say it's probably impossible without being able to read the basic Japanese alphabet. Chinese characters are a different story (there's 8000+ of them). The former is a prerequisite, I must say. It's not hard though, and doesn't take long at all. I happened to start learning the hiragana/katakana the week before I started taking Japanese I at college. While I was taking the class, I studied ahead by going through the memrise course that basically taught everything that was in my textbook. http://www.memrise.com/course/29267/genki-i/ I used a separate one for grammar. This covered all of the N5 proficiency level grammar. http://www.memrise.com/course/258569/beginners-japanese-grammar-1-jlpt-n5-grammar/ You don't have to take a college class on it, you could get the same amount of knowledge from just using memrise. After that, I did a lot of other courses on memrise and really got used to the grammar and learned a lot of basic vocab. The fastest way that you can learn after that point is just to read raw manga/watch raw anime as much as you can. If it's already a hobby, then it doesn't even feel like a chore at all. I've been doing that for a few months now. I do full immersion while I'm at home. I get all of my raws from http://www.nyaa.se/ |
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Dawnslicer said: Zivith said: You can learn a lot just by listening and reading the text. I know that, but i mean to actually learn it, itll take much longer by watching anime, i can already understand some from just having watched a bunch of anime You will learn a lot from watching anime with subtitles, but it is nothing compared to how much you learn while watching anime raw. The subtitles are a crutch. I've tried just ignoring the subtitles, but my eyes are trained to read them unconsciously. It ended up being so distracting that I couldn't even pay attention. If you watch raw anime long enough, though, you will naturally start to understand what they are saying like a child would. Especially so if you've already been using the subtitles for years. |
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8oomer said: Zivith said: That's true: I can recognize many words now but constructing a sentence and kanji are both at zero level for me. Like Dawnslicer I'd be interested in how the OP went about learning enough to get to middle-school level, including the kanji part.You can learn a lot just by listening and reading the text. Unfortunately, my kanji isn't quite at middle school level yet. xD I'm working on that right now too. I would recommend using memrise and wanikani to get the basic kanji down pat. Then I would say to start translating manga while referring to a Japanese-English dictionary constantly. Eventually you should transition to a Japanese-Japanese dictionary. |
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conker7777 said: 8oomer said: That's true: I can recognize many words now but constructing a sentence and kanji are both at zero level for me. Like Dawnslicer I'd be interested in how the OP went about learning enough to get to middle-school level, including the kanji part. Unfortunately, my kanji isn't quite at middle school level yet. xD I'm working on that right now too. I would recommend using memrise and wanikani to get the basic kanji down pat. Then I would say to start translating manga while referring to a Japanese-English dictionary constantly. Eventually you should transition to a Japanese-Japanese dictionary. Ah, I forgot to mention HelloTalk. If you have a smart phone, go to the app store and download that app. It's completely free, and it let you send text messages and do phone calls with native Japanese speakers who want to learn English. Believe me when I say this, there are A TON of Japanese people who use this app. I doubt you will find anything that is more widely used. These text messages are probably one of the best ways to get used to both getting familiar with the common language and remembering kanji. You can always turn kanji into romaji if you don't know how to read something, too. |
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| These are awesome answers, thank you very much. I doubt I could accomplish what you did starting out in a handful of hours (I think you underestimate yourself and overestimate people such as me for learning). Possible I could do that with a Western language like German or French but Japanese is a whole 'nother story. I've saved the url for this thread. Thanks again. Also, I'm aware there are threads elsewhere in MAL about people wanting to learn Japanese but this has been the best answer yet. |
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8oomer said: These are awesome answers, thank you very much. I doubt I could accomplish what you did starting out in a handful of hours (I think you underestimate yourself and overestimate people such as me for learning). Possible I could do that with a Western language like German or French but Japanese is a whole 'nother story. I've saved the url for this thread. Thanks again. Also, I'm aware there are threads elsewhere in MAL about people wanting to learn Japanese but this has been the best answer yet. Glad to help. ^_^ Honestly though, mastering the hiragana and katakana in 3 hours each isn't as hard as you might think. Every kana looks like something, and then you associate that something with a mnemonic. For example, け looks like a 'ke'g. If you think of it like that, it becomes a lot easier to remember that け = ke. I don't think I am particularly that smart either. I showed memrise (which utilizes mnemonics) to two of my classmates at college, and both of them mastered the hiragana and katakana faster than I did. The same principle can also be applied to learning kanji. |
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Anmoly97 said: konoyaro, mukito-kun. . . . . daiski-des, hahahahahaha zura je nai, katsura da Mukito-kun, you rascle... I love you, hahahaha It's not Zura, it's Katsura! Gotta love Gintama. =) |
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| ソラ ノ ヲト (katakana) そらのをと (hiragana) so ra no wo to (phonetic) Sound of the Sky (English) :) I didn't memorize it. Was just playing around on this site: http://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/hiragana.htm |
8oomerAug 9, 2015 11:50 PM
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8oomer said: ソラ ノ ヲト (katakana) そらのをと (hiragana) so ra no wo to (phonetic) Sound of the Sky (English) :) I didn't memorize it. Was just playing around on this site: http://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/hiragana.htm Wow, there's a lot of languages on that site. o_o If you wanna just focus on Japanese, it'll probably be easier to just change your keyboard settings and switch to a Japanese keyboard. |
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