| so guilty crowns piqued my interest recently and i've been thinking about checking it out, but all i hear about the show are negative comments. so my question for you guys is: is guilty crown really that bad of a show or does it just suffer from being to much like whats already been done. |
| "I’m just watching a bad dream I never wake up from." |
| To be honest I think its pretty awesome. True its cliché and feels familiar, but its from the writer of code geass, so its bound to. The art is amazing, the OST is one of the best I've heard. It is definitely worth the watch. |
| Nah, too many perfectionists. If you watch it and enjoy it, that's all that matters. |
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| It's a good show but it's not perfect i gave it a 7/10. it's mostly eye candy and has good music just don't expect to much from the plot and i'm sure you'll enjoy it. |
| thanks for all the replies, i'll go and watch the first 5 episodes and see where i go from there |
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WaraiOtoko said: Yeah, but even with those faults, Code Geass was a lot of fun. This is like someone took Code Geass dead seriously, then removed whatever likeable characters he could find along with 90% of the tension.To be honest I think its pretty awesome. True its cliché and feels familiar, but its from the writer of code geass, so its bound to. Aside from the animation and one or two good tracks on the soundtrack, it has very little going for it. I'm sure there's better shows you could watch instead. |
| I thought it was quite good and I enjoyed it. |
| The show has its strong points. The animation, voice acting and music were all very good. The characters aren't really a strong point for it, but there are a few likeable one. For myself I loved Inori and Tsugumi (I think was her name?). The show starts off slow and full of plot holes, but that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable. If you're a perfectionist who must have everything make perfect sense, then I don't even know why you're watching anime in the first place. Yes the story is convoluted, yes it has plot holes, and yes it's lolworthy most of the time. But season 2 actually tries to make sense, and for the most part is the shows biggest redeeming factor. Overall I wouldn't say it's a bad show, but it's no where near good either. It's equivalent to those crappy TV sitcom comes that you don't mind watching, but you don't get anything out of it either. I did enjoy it, but it's not something I would recommend nor watch ever again. Blindly stating that it is **** is just arrogance. |
sleeplesstown said: I'm not sure if you expect me to go through with this after saying all that.Go watch it, yo. Trainwreck of the century. To the dreaded PTW it goes. |
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| It made me lol. Wins best expensive trainwreck <3. |
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| Yes. It is pretty bad. Boku no Pico is better than it. |
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| I'm very reluctant to even start watching it at all; still haven't added it to my list. See, I loved code geass (gave it an 9 first season, then second season was hovering around a 7 for all the 'LOL RANDOM PLOT TWIST FOR NO REASON' crap they pulled, but the ending redeemed it to an 8 for me) and hunted around for other stuff that was similar in the recommendations and watched all 50 episodes of gundam00. I was expecting plot twists, conspiracies and good characters with a helping of mech action, but I got a helping of completely bland one dimensional characters, a stripped down and tired plot and way too much mech fighting. I think i'll get the same reaction out of guilty crown, but even worse because from what i've heard guilty crown tries to be geass but falls straight down on it's face. |
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| Guilty Crown was one of those generic shounen get a superpower all of a sudden and get a girl who loves you unconditionally. BUT!!! Guilty Crown was an exceptional anime. Although it was full of expected moments, the anime really churned out a lot of good content. I honestly recommend that you don't compare it to other anime. Just watch Guilty Crown as it is and you will enjoy it very much. I know when I finished it I had another of those feelings that comes when you end a very good anime.... I wished I was Shu and those kind of feelings. Watch it; the anime is very good. |
| i thought as a whole it was good, the 1st half was alright 7.5/10 but the second half for me was brilliant 9/10, i loved the osts, the animation and the development of the main character shu, but one of its downside is that some of the characters disappoint you and sometimes the plot can be confusing and the ending imo was rushed but overall i liked it even if a minority of people hated it |
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| Its an awesome anime with good OST. People say its "cliche", but whats cliche now and days? I have watched like... almost 300 anime so everything seems cliche now. (and to be honest, I didn't even find it THAT cliche) You either hate it, or you love it. |
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| Visually: Impressive Soundtrack: Outstanding Story: Interesting, at first Storytelling: Uneven, Weak and serously Lacking at various points. Characters: Only Shue is truly developed over the course of events and this is done subtly. Everyone else, Only as the story demands it and then, only barely. Guilty Crown had tons of potential, but FAILED TO LIVE UP TO IT!!!! |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
| It wasn't that bad. In essence there was a lot of hype when Guilty Crown started and many people had high of expectations for it. People got let down and perhaps a little bitter because of the story and character development. I would say around episode 15 it started going down hill. There were some pathetic character developments that made you want to beat some ass, as well as a few "WTF?!" turn-around moments with a couple "OMG! I can't believe they just pulled that shit" plot twists. But over all I would say it wasn't half bad. I gave it a 8/10 for its beautiful art/animation, great musicals, and some touching moments. If you liked Code Geuss, you'll definitely like Guilty Crown. |
| Story: 7/10 It was good for the first 12 episodes. 13-22 was so-so but ending was a little rushed. Animation: 8.5/10 Good. Characters: 7.5/10 I felt it could be better..not much developments there. Soundtrack: 9/10 xDD Overall, it's a 8/10 for me. |
Karhu said: One of the worst series ever made and everyone should feel bad for liking that shit. I think you should feel bad for thinking others should feel bad about their opinions. I love Guilty Crown. The story is beautiful, but if it had been longer, it would have been way better and 100x more effective with 99% less haters. There will always be haters though, for any anime. The OST and the art is amazing. The characters also have pretty good development. Like Shu, for example. He evolves so much in the entire season. |
| I tried my best to love GC... But I just couldn't. All the way from the ep 1, the directing and script is a giant mess. I can't withstand the show until ep. 12, and then dropped it. I spoiled myself with watching one or two episode in the second cour, but it doesn't enough to boost my interest to try the first cour again. Not that all of the anime are directed decently, but the problem is... Watching GC is like watching the anime that you loves very much, but with the plot from the anime that you totally don't like. Wasted potential made some people mad, and I'm glad if some people watching it with no expectation at all. I guess my opinion will be different if I'm going with not expecting anything. But it didn't change that it was directed and told very bad. |
zeroyuki92 said: I tried my best to love GC... But I just couldn't. All the way from the ep 1, the directing and script is a giant mess. I can't withstand the show until ep. 12, and then dropped it. I spoiled myself with watching one or two episode in the second cour, but it doesn't enough to boost my interest to try the first cour again. Not that all of the anime are directed decently, but the problem is... Watching GC is like watching the anime that you loves very much, but with the plot from the anime that you totally don't like. Wasted potential made some people mad, and I'm glad if some people watching it with no expectation at all. I guess my opinion will be different if I'm going with not expecting anything. But it didn't change that it was directed and told very bad. It picks up and I would say 90% of what you get out of Guilty Crown comes after around episode 16 |
Karhu said: i kept lyeing to myself trying to think this show was good and did a decent job at convincing myself for a bit but frankly, its not, it really isnt, it was almost as bad as code geass R2 and for all the same reasonsOne of the worst series ever made and everyone should feel bad for liking that shit. Its got some decent ideas down on paper but in execution a train wreck accurately describes it jpem said: i do agree while this is a peice of shit there is so much worse out there, like these 3 just destroy GC in horriblenessPeople who say this is the worst anime ever made must not watch much. The OST alone makes it better than most crap that anime puts out. http://myanimelist.net/anime/10491/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_Kira http://myanimelist.net/anime/147/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien http://myanimelist.net/anime/788/Eiken hell even after listing those 3 abominations i can still list quite a few other shsows that are worse http://myanimelist.net/anime/2364/Virus_Buster_Serge http://myanimelist.net/anime/6773/Shakugan_no_Shana_III_(Final) http://myanimelist.net/anime/4382/Suzumiya_Haruhi_no_Yuuutsu_(2009) http://myanimelist.net/anime/886/Amaenaide_yo!!_Katsu!! and so on, guilty crown is awful but there is sadly so much worse |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| It really isn't bad, it started off extremely popular and then the people who didn't like it became very vocal when they got annoyed at it's popularity. That's pretty much what happened. Haters gonna hate etc. |
| to be fair, i feel like an idiot for thinking guilty crown would be good in the first place come on writers of death note, code geass, and high school of the dead, thats a train wreck just waiting to happen, we got a guy who cant conclude series for shit(death note), a guy who doesnt understand how to make plot points go in a coherent pattern(code geass) and.....well HOTD speaks for itself. Oh well, and the anime community goes on, GC will fade into obscurity when something worse comes, probably the next code geass or something. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JoeLT said: It really isn't bad, it started off extremely popular and then the people who didn't like it became very vocal when they got annoyed at it's popularity. That's pretty much what happened. Haters gonna hate etc. I completely agree. When people contend that the anime proved to be completely generic of a shounen, they failed to assess the second half of Guilty Crown. I enjoyed the second half of Guilty Crown because I never watched a sequence of events in anime like that before, it was heart-breaking, and it was full of action and events that inspired mania. All in all, the second half of Guilty Crown made up for what the first half was missing. |
| Are we seriously still arguing over this? For God´s sake °^° Karura_Jiinsaru said: In terms of animation and music, it´s really good, as you could see in 1st episode. If you don´t mind cliches, fanservice, and certain similarities (sometimes agressively called "rip-offs") to other series, at that point you´re okay. The problem relies on its script, full of poor writing and flaws: characters go from uninteresting, one-dimensional or in the worst cases, inconsistents, being Shu and Inori one of the primary examples (Shu receives a bit more sensical development than the others, but may feel rushed to some viewers while acceptable to others). The plot itself is quite disastrous and sometimes doesn´t make any sense, so while in episodes 12 and 20 they explain important details and connect some dots, if at that point you stopped caring about the series and deem it as "trash", then it won´t matter to you. To make it short, if you´re looking for an awesome, well-written or deep story in Guilty Crown, you won´t find it. However, it isn´t necessarily boring, since there are plenty of people who find it enjoyable. So, if you truly want to give it a chance, the best recommendation I could make would be to watch the recap that covers the first half of the show, and from it decide if it´s worthy of your time or not... You might also be interested in this, I like this guy´s style of writing: http://www.lostinanime.com/2012/03/guilty-crown-series-review.html |
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| in terms of actual entertainment value, i actually enjoyed GC more than geass. Yeah it has a lot of flaws, but it's still really enjoyable if you dont nitpick. Also a lot of people jumped the hate wagon up to episode 10, so even when things actually got really good around 12 they still hated everything they saw. |
| It's not that bad of a show. It's Decent at best that's all I have to say about it. What made it so bad is because it was so over-hyped and everyone was so excited for it and then in the end it really failed everyone's expectations. Is it worth a watch? eh, it may or may not be. The art and everything is fantastic but the story kind of just fails at some point after the beginning. Then it catches up again and kind of falls again. . . etc etc. The plot isn't all that great let's just say. Since it's just decent at best some people like it and some people may not but it's not like "OH MY GOD" *barf* bad. It's just meh. |
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Ragix said: It's not that bad of a show. It's Decent at best that's all I have to say about it. What made it so bad is because it was so over-hyped and everyone was so excited for it and then in the end it really failed everyone's expectations. Is it worth a watch? eh, it may or may not be. The art and everything is fantastic but the story kind of just fails at some point after the beginning. Then it catches up again and kind of falls again. . . etc etc. The plot isn't all that great let's just say. Since it's just decent at best some people like it and some people may not but it's not like "OH MY GOD" *barf* bad. It's just meh. I agree its Decent at the same time it feel's like its missing something. But other that the show is Good. And I really like its okay and I like that plot, its okay to and the art. :) |
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heyymyname said: Ragix said: It's not that bad of a show. It's Decent at best that's all I have to say about it. What made it so bad is because it was so over-hyped and everyone was so excited for it and then in the end it really failed everyone's expectations. Is it worth a watch? eh, it may or may not be. The art and everything is fantastic but the story kind of just fails at some point after the beginning. Then it catches up again and kind of falls again. . . etc etc. The plot isn't all that great let's just say. Since it's just decent at best some people like it and some people may not but it's not like "OH MY GOD" *barf* bad. It's just meh. I agree its Decent at the same time it feel's like its missing something. But other that the show is Good. And I really like its okay and I like that plot, its okay to and the art. :) I'm not trying to harp on you or anything and I agree that the anime is missing something. In my opinion, it really missed out on the development of powers. Shu relied on the same powers the entire anime and everyone else relied on the same skills to complete progressively harder missions. Other than that I would agree that the anime was good. The romance was there, the buildup was there, there was almost a conclusion to every character although they might have been short in the last episode, and most importantly (to me) ShuxInori did happen although Inori died... Basically what I was looking for in a good anime and I found it. SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT (I don't want to put a spoiler tag because then people would be less likely to read it) To everyone who completely hates the anime: And I don't understand how it was bad. I forgot what the specific term for this phenomenon was but every time you watch an anime or some other fictional motion picture, you have to be willing to discard at least some of your practicality. The most prominent argument among Guilty Crown haters is that there were so many plot holes and that certain things made no sense including the first episode where the Endlave missed several targeted missiles at Inori. You have to understand that the anime wouldn't be possible without skipping over these flaws. I mean of course that scene would have made more sense if Tsugumi hacked the enemy Endlave and caused the missiles to miss but how would that completely ruin the entire anime? The second argument I see is that Guilty Crown perpetrated almost every generic shounen anime. While this may be true, Guilty Crown executes the sequence of events very well. The show also leaps forward and certain things happen that wouldn't happen in any other show that hid in the safe shadow of predictability. Shu's arm got cut off.... Rarely do animes permanently damage their main character and Guilty Crown actually executed the story based off that very well. Although this comes across as a review, it really isn't. I'm just defending how Guilty Crown was a good, if not extremely good, anime. |
| Jpark, I have some aspects in your post I disagree with: The romance was there The Shu x Inori was obvious since the very beginning, no denying that. However, those two would hardly have a real interaction which could be considered valid for a romantic build up, as if sharing the screentime was enough. As a consequence, when they realise they are for each other, that they can´t be without the other, etc., one cannot help that it feels "forced". The Tsugumi x Daryl implied pairing had it worse. the buildup was there You´ll have to help me remember those important build ups, because I recall more asspulls than anything. There was some foreshadowing before the Shu-Gai-Mana revelation, that´s for sure. I forgot what the specific term for this phenomenon was but every time you watch an anime or some other fictional motion picture, you have to be willing to discard at least some of your practicality. I think it´s this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief I mean of course that scene would have made more sense if Tsugumi hacked the enemy Endlave and caused the missiles to miss but how would that completely ruin the entire anime? There´s a limit at how much you can shallow, specially in an anime that pretends to be serious and pretentious (they touched Christianity and Evolution thematics several times during the series). If some gigantic tentacle monster suddenly appeared in the middle of the city without advicing nor anything, would you have thought it was okay? The producers even made a rule set for how Voids works, but that core aspect of the show wasn´t even respected ("Eye contact is necessary to extract a Void", "How Shu´s power would change if he got close with others") since at the second half of it, they suddenly started to broke its own rules over and over and over again (how could Gai make a Void missile like that out of the blue in episode 18? That didn´t make any sense!!) The show also leaps forward and certain things happen that wouldn't happen in any other show that hid in the safe shadow of predictability. Not sure if it´s a good thing when most of it wasn´t properly managed. I mean, if you´re going to take some serious and important themes such as religion at least don´t pull it in a way that seemed the creators didn´t gave a dim and just did to make it "look cool" when actually they were embarassing themselves. Because of the budget, the promotion, the noitaminA slot, and the staff (who were shameless enough to attempt to dissimulate the show´s trainwreck nature in an interview) the show was easily relived before its airing, which it´s probably one of the main reasons that it´s now deemed a terrible series when, actually, it´s just an average to mediocre show (at least when it comes to writing and directing). Mind you that I'm not saying GC would be beloved if it weren't a NoitaminA show - its faults are its own, and they would have been pointed regardless. Just wondering if that might have amplified the hate a bit. |
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Karura_Jiinsaru said: There´s a limit at how much you can shallow, specially in an anime that pretends to be serious and pretentious (they touched Christianity and Evolution thematics several times during the series). If some gigantic tentacle monster suddenly appeared in the middle of the city without advicing nor anything, would you have thought it was okay? I'm not saying ridiculous things like that are acceptable. Anyways, when does something of that magnitude even occur? You're trying to swallow my words to try make my argument seem ignorant. Nothing personal but I read this entire list of about 100 things that don't make sense in Guilty Crown and so many haters were saying "so true!" and "see this is why Guilty Crown doesn't make any sense!" I was speaking more to those people before. Also the part where I said Guilty Crown leapt forward I wasn't really talking about the religion aspect and serious themes. I was discussing the parts where Shu lost his arm and Inori died. To me, those two things are what really made this anime different from other animes. |
I'm not saying ridiculous things like that are acceptable. Anyways, when does something of that magnitude even occur? When they broke their own Void rules, like I said above? You're trying to swallow my words to try make my argument seem ignorant. Nothing personal but I read this entire list of about 100 things that don't make sense in Guilty Crown and so many haters were saying "so true!" and "see this is why Guilty Crown doesn't make any sense!" I was speaking more to those people before. I was just explaining my reasons of why I disagreed with your argument. Didn´t mean any kind of insult. Also the part where I said Guilty Crown leapt forward I wasn't really talking about the religion aspect and serious themes. I was discussing the parts where Shu lost his arm and Inori died. To me, those two things are what really made this anime different from other animes. While it´s not a recurrent part in mainstream shows, that kind of thing can happen in plenty of animes (Bokurano, Fullmetal Alchemist, Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, if you want some examples), though I don´t share the view of it making it different from others in that sense... |
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| The part about breaking their void rules I think there was a part where they said that his powers evolved (around the 13 episode mark I think). It changed to him being able to extract people's voids at a distance without looking at them. Granted it was very brief, but it was explained. But right now we are talking about technical issues in Guilty Crown. What makes sense and what doesn't. That's not the whole point of anime is it? I just enjoyed the anime for the emotion it gave me and being able to vicariously envision me being Shu. |
| IT STARTED !!! THE FIGHT BETWEEN HATERS AND FANBOYS !!! *off caps* enjoy folks |
| Actually glad that nepal is facing disaster |
Spacebar said: IT STARTED !!! THE FIGHT BETWEEN HATERS AND FANBOYS !!! *off caps* enjoy folks ...who? |
| The arguments , go and find it. I'm sure there are some around here . |
| Actually glad that nepal is facing disaster |
Spacebar said: The arguments , go and find it. I'm sure there are some around here . nice try though |
| ^ same goes to you, fanboy. Keep defending it . |
| Actually glad that nepal is facing disaster |
Spacebar said: ^ same goes to you, fanboy. Keep defending it . Atleast he properly backed his argument, you're just polluting the thread with your fail trolling. If you're not going to say anything revelant, just shut up. My review of GC pretty much sums up the problems I had with it. Link : http://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=54977 Excuse the lack of proper argumentative structure, I couldn't be bothered, and even if I was, my engrish wouldn't let me. Also, feel free to disagree with my review or whatever, but no personal attacks please! |
| No I completely agree with you Solkiskey. The show is full of cliches. But for me the quality in Guilty Crown that set it apart from most other cliche animes was the execution.... It's hard to explain.... Although in retrospect we can all say that Guilty Crown was expected and generic, when I was watching it I kept on thinking to myself oh damn that was nice. Seems vague but I can't really pinpoint what I liked about Guilty Crown so much.... |
| I wasn't even trying to troll , and if you think i was, look who's the fool. I'm not gonna start a flame war here, I'm not like you derp. Your anger , what can you really do man ? And if I don't shut up ? Amuse me please , i was expecting more from you and the amount of hate i got from your statement is disappointing low . No worries, I'm not even bothered to start an online personal attack . Note:Not gonna reply, tired of derps. |
| Actually glad that nepal is facing disaster |
Spacebar said: I wasn't even trying to troll , and if you think i was, look who's the fool. I'm not gonna start a flame war here, I'm not like you derp. Spacebar said: IT STARTED !!! THE FIGHT BETWEEN HATERS AND FANBOYS !!! *off caps* enjoy folks |
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