Gintama is once again the no1 anime on MAL

WoofSadaharu said:
Totally deserving of the spot.

FMA, S;G and After Story fans can stay MAD.

:)

Paul said:
I still don't see how I'm misunderstood the comment, especially this part: "If all Gintama's (the first 201 episodes) scores were accounted for...". So unless I mistook that part for meaning each episode has a different score then my bad, if not, then refer to my original post.

Redfoxoffire said:

I was only referring to the first "season" as this site lists the series, not each individual episode. Episode polls don't factor into anything.

YorozuyaGinSan said:
The first season of Gintama was 49 episodes... You're referring to the first 4 Seasons... Oh yeah and... How would the series be in the 90s in terms of scoring...? To my knowledge all three series of Gintama are in the top 10 here on Mal...

IntroverTurtle said:
Yeah but if all three series were added up then Gintma would be in the 80s or 90s because the bad votes from Gintama would count(seeing as people who don't like the show won't watch Gintama' and Gintama Enchousen and that's part of the reason those two are really high) and since it's airing then all scores would count. Just like other airing shows when they end their score goes up because it then cuts out all scores of people who hadn't watched 1/5th of the show.

vivan said:
80s or 90s, 80s or 90s... Is it really that hard to calculate average score using stats page?
Gintama has 8.86 and this is about 45 place. Without haters (score 1-3) it would be 8.75 and 25 place.

EndlessHell said:
Actually if you say it that way, only S;G and LOGH out of the top ten deserves its score. As your logic can apply to FMA, Clannad, Haruhi and CG too. Even if you count any of the top ten anime scores manually using the stats page, I doubt it will get as high as 8.86 :)

EndlessHell said:
Actually if you say it that way, only S;G and LOGH out of the top ten deserves its score. As your logic can apply to FMA, Clannad, Haruhi and CG too. Even if you count any of the top ten anime scores manually using the stats page, I doubt it will get as high as 8.86 :)

IntroverTurtle said:
Well it wouldn't work for FMA because FMAB is a remake it isn't a sequel so there is no reason to combine them. It would work for Clannad and CG, possibly Haruhi. And you are leaving out the fact that when a show ends they don't count any scores of people who have not watched atleast 1/5th of the show, and since none of those shows have a currently airing sequel then the score would be higher than if they were airing(which is what we are saying would happen to Gintama since it is airing).

IntroverTurtle said:
...bad votes from Gintama would count(seeing as people who don't like the show won't watch Gintama' and Gintama Enchousen and that's part of the reason those two are really high)...

Shaduge said:
steins;gate is average, number 1? might as well have SAO number one

EndlessHell said:
to my understanding, you meant that when someone already saw a season or a part of a series and did not enjoyed it, they wouldn't bother to watch the other knowing they wouldn't enjoyed it as well.(Which makes sense) This makes the later seasons of said series to be watched and rated mostly by people who enjoyed the former seasons, thus explained the high ratings. This logic can apply to any franchise or series, including FMA. (example: One who dislike the idea of alchemy in battle or shonen in general or etc... in FMA wouldn't watch FMA:B)
I hope this makes sense....

EstelleBright said:


What the fuck?

leokiko said:

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EstelleBright said:


What the fuck?

tormented210 said:

Wtf twice...
Gintama is my favourite anime but in my opinion it doesn't deserve top1, I would give that honor to Steins;Gate withou any doubt.

Vylash said:
This happens all the time with every anime because people are people, there are lots of people who make alternate accounts just for the sake of inflating the ratings of gintama as well, it's just a thing people do because ultimately useless numbers are important or something

ThangLong said:

No, I think Gintama will only go down as it get exposed to the general anime-watching population, outside of its fan base. Only series with wide appeals like FMA or Clannad will survive the test of time..

tormented210 said:

Wtf twice...
Gintama is my favourite anime but in my opinion it doesn't deserve top1, I would give that honor to Steins;Gate withou any doubt.

Anime_Name said:


that's an interesting assumption. Why don't you prove it by going and looking at the profiles/anime list of the people that rated the show 1 and 10. From my just going through about 20 pages I see far more obvious duplicate/troll accounts created just for giving shows a 1 than people with accounts just for 10s.

As for test of time. Gintama has been a sleeper hit for a long time and seems to be only attracting more people to it. It is a comedy standard for anime fans and anime creators.

ThangLong said:


I agree that there is an anti vote movement going on with Gintama (evidence by the high 1's votes for both Enchousen and Gintama's). However, Gintama is also favored by a very high fan base vote. Let's pick Enchousen for example, there are 4 points to argue for this, using the characteristic of a fan-based vote:
_First, fans usually vote Masterpiece: the percentage of 9's to 5's votes (basically for the people who consider the series to be great to OK - not fan) for the big 3: FMA: brotherhood, Steins;Gate, and After Story are 51.6%, 50.7%, and 43.5%, while that number for Enchousen is a bismal 35.6%. This indicates that the percentage of fan-base vote for Ginatama is really high
_Second fan vote early: people who are not fan usually wait until the end of the series to cast their vote. The percentage of votes to completed and watching population for the big 3 are: 76.2%, 78.4% and 82.6%, compare it to Enchousen with 52.7%
_Third fan follows multiple series while non-fan rarely does: this needs no explanation. People who are indifferent would rarely follow this 256+ episode series, only the ones who have considerable interest in it. Just look at the number of members drops from 90K to 30K to 10K during three seasons of Gintama.
_Fourth fan-base is really small compare to the total population to create a representative of the population: using the number of users in MAL (around 1 million) as the population-at-large. The percentage of people who registered with Enchousen is only 1% while the big 3 are well over 10%

All in all, Gintama Enchousen enjoys a really devoted fan following which leads to its top score in the chart. Just like the situation with SAO (Gintama jumped to the top rank after one episode based on fan votes), this series will inevitably fall in rank as more people watch it, unless Sunrise pull some masterpiece materials in the end.

My reasoning is based on numbers and reasonable assumptions that are completely devoid personal opinion. Actually, I watched half of the first Gintama season, and I considered it to be very good. I would have rated it 9/10 but it did not hold my interest too much for me to follow through. I do like the position all three Gintama series have gotten in MAL because they were produced my my favorite Sunrise studio. However, it's a bit unfair to have all three iterations of essentially the same title dominate top 10 in the chart. This excludes many good animes to have the chance of getting in.

Anime_Name said:


First: Of course, fans vote things that they really like and enjoy high ratings. Gintama, Gintama', Gintama Echousen, or any anime you can name isn't going to be any different because that's how rating things is supposed to work. The anti-rating people go against that because their intention is not to give shows a rating based on their enjoyment, quality, or any level of like but rather to police the ratings on MAL. It's dishonest and I believe against the rules.

Second: This is true for all series that are not completed. Some people rate as the go and some don't rate until they finish a show completely. The fact that people can and do change their ratings as a show progresses shows that this freedom to rate whenever you feel like is self-correcting over time. Gintama just happens to be a show that rated high enough to top the MAL rankings while other shows did not. Unless Gintama suddenly drops in quality or entertainment levels there's no reason to believe or speculate that it would not survive the test of time since the test hinges on the fans of it.

Third: Non-fans are largely irrelevant to the rating process of a show as the rating is mostly derived from the fans of the show or at very least the people that have watched it. Logically, one would assume the ones that watch a TV show are a fan of the show since TV shows are all optional forms of entertainment. Which means ratings are based on the collective opinions of fans of a series and even though MAL ranks these shows the ratings aren't really direct comparisons to other shows.

Fourth: So? A show with a few fans can still be rated highly among the few fans of it. There is minimum viewership needed on MAL before a rating will show for an anime, 10,000 happens to be well above that minimum and there's no anime here that has come close to being watched by the majority of members on MAL but then again there is an different chart that shows popularity, the rating rankings isn't it.

Enchousen will be everything from the first Gintama series plus new episodes. It falling in rating depends on the quality/enjoyment the fans get from re-watching old episodes along with the new, there's no inevitability that as quality/enjoyment is really big unknown until the fans watch and rate the show as it goes.



I don't know what fair has to do with it. Each series has different content and different titles. If One Piece took a break and changed titles at any point in airing it too would have different entries on MAL. It really has nothing to do with being fair so much as it has to do with running a database with rules that state what is or isn't considered a new entry.

Your whole argument supports my original hypothesis, that "fan-base voting is what get Gintama the third season over the top in rating."

Now, whether or not the my second point "Gintama rating will fall as more people got exposed to it," may turned out differently as the series go on like you said. However, this is what I observe at the moment since Enchousen has fallen from top to fifth-place.

ou may point to anti voting, but the anti-anti voting of 10's may have balanced it out.

You may say that this anime is great, therefore it has a lot of fans. I personally agree that this series is great. However, there is not guaranty that if an average watcher see this, he will love it as well. All my comparisons to the top rates show is trying to prove that.

Anime_Name said:

The whole argument is that happens to every anime here. The fans rate them and then MAL calculates the ratings and rank.


What you said was that it will inevitably fall not that it had fallen. Given that ratings change the only inevitable thing is that the ratings/rank of all anime here will change, eventually. Of course change covers all things such as going higher and lower but I don't want to leave out that change isn't very fast here there will be long stints of rankings remaining the same more than rankings changing.


What anti-anti voting group? From what I can tell the anti-anti voting group are just the people that have rated the show a 10 anyway based on their enjoyment level. Also, when those anti-voters get their accounts deleted the ratings off all the shows they trolled will rise.


You aren't saying anything unique to Gintama. Any person that starts a series has the chance of either liking it as much as others, less than others, or more than others. That little rule of three is the same for any anime you can name. With that being equal all anime here will have their ratings adjusted with every new person that watches.

edwd2 said:


No, no, that's because sunrise is doing reruns for all this time and us fans aren't happy.
If you've been on MAL long enough, you'll know that Gintama's score is fluctuating around. The first season ended with 9.09, it went down to 9.05, then, slowly back up and all the way to 9.11 and now it's the same 9.09 like before. But here's the good news, Gintama Enchousen will resume on January 10, and if Sunrise executes the next arc well, we can watch the score go back up! Not that I care about the score or ranks (though I started this thread) :-|

ThangLong said:

This is why it's so frustrating having a discussion with you. You picked my comment apart point to point just to do what? Agreeing with me? Do you find anything wrong with my argument or that it's so obvious and common sense to you that it's not worth mentioning? In any case, I hope next time we meet again, we will have better discussion.

Anime_Name said:

What arguments? All you did was tell me how rating anything works among fans. You're the one that is insistent on trying to explain just why all the Gintama series benefit from fans rating it but fail to see that is what happens for every anime here.

Anime_Name said:

You also want to make obvious predictions like saying Gintama will inevitably fall but if you paid any attention to the averages on MAL you'd see that most, if not all, of the anime ratings change and that results in anime shifting positions(going up and down) on the ranking list.

Vandalyzm said:
It's reruns which doesn't do the series justice

Xelzy said:
No series that uses re-runs deserves a top 10 spot.

tormented210 said:
it doesn't deserve top1, I would give that honor to Steins;Gate withou any doubt.

Tommk said:
FMA brotherhood is better than steins gate.

ThangLong said:
Nothing will beat FMA: Brotherhood :p

pokecenter said:
MAL 2010 Gintama was in third having a higher score than LotGH, was that.. like a bug?