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Sep 16, 2008 7:54 AM
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Everyone knows they have this past of theirs...but we don't know what really happened right? what do you think is their relationship? I mean what do you think happened to them?
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Sep 18, 2008 4:32 PM
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I don't really have any smart ideas about their past (I'm just waiting patiently for Kubo-sensei to give us more Gin/Rangiku scenes), but I think they love each other. I don't believe those small hints were there for no reason. Matsumoto can get totally serious when thinking about Gin (and don't remember her brooding over anyone else), while Gin definitely has a soft spot for her.
Their relationship is very interesting. Can't wait for


Sep 19, 2008 12:36 PM
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I don't really have any smart ideas about their past (I'm just waiting patiently for Kubo-sensei to give us more Gin/Rangiku scenes), but I think they love each other. I don't believe those small hints were there for no reason. Matsumoto can get totally serious when thinking about Gin (and don't remember her brooding over anyone else), while Gin definitely has a soft spot for her.
Their relationship is very interesting. Can't wait for


Oh yeah, totally didn't noticed that because I am waiting for Ulquiorra and Ichigo's fight and the Vizards appearance and hoping Isshin(Ichigo's father) to come out. And also Kisuke to come out and show his bankai.

In my belief, I think they have a child. I know that may sound crazy but the scenes Kubo-sensei was showing some signs, that may be the reason they no longer have the relationship they had. I mean there should be a reason why they aren't together anymore, right? Despite Gin's betrayal w/ Aizen...

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Sep 19, 2008 3:16 PM
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Well, we don't know, does people in soul society actually... ya know... All the children there are those who died in real world, so we don't know does procreation in sould society even takes place. There wasn't much relationships deeper than close friends either.
Sep 19, 2008 11:41 PM
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There wasn't much relationships deeper than close friends either.


Then how do you explain Byakuya and Hisana. They didn't just have a relationship, right? They were married too.

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Jaica-jeN_ said:
Paladyn_Rage said:
There wasn't much relationships deeper than close friends either.


Then how do you explain Byakuya and Hisana. They didn't just have a relationship, right? They were married too.


Ha! Thats tricky question. But actually i do have answer for this: "one exception doesn't make difference". I said there wasn't MUCH of closer thingies. One marriage in whole Soul Society.
And about child theory: Byakuya and Hisana were married. Cool, but as we all know, people in SS live longer. So, they probably were married for... i don't really know, but we can presume that it was hundred or more years, they were by all this time in proper age to procreate and... no offspring. So, if they are any closer relationships in Soul Society, and there is no kids from it, they are more similliar to close friendship... Or Byakuya had erection problems...

Yet i must say, that im myself not sure about my theory xD Explanation could be that this is shounen anime, so they don't show much of those "deeper relationships". And we still don't have clear situation with Ichigos birth...

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Well, I think they can have children in SS, otherwise the whole thing with noble clans would be stupid. Anyways, this one thing about Bleach has never seemed clear enough to me >_<
Still not sure about Gin and Matsu, though. Matsumoto doesn't seem like a woman that has a child somewhere (unless Shirou-chan is the kid, but that would be weird lulz).
Jaica-jeN_ said:

Oh yeah, totally didn't noticed that because I am waiting for Ulquiorra and Ichigo's fight and the Vizards appearance and hoping Isshin(Ichigo's father) to come out. And also Kisuke to come out and show his bankai.

But yea, I'm a bit more interested in this stuff too at the moment XD Ichigo vs Ulquiorra will be too much for my nerves coz I don't want either to lose lol.


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Its obvious Ichigo will eventually win ^^ And Ulquira is surely not my favourite Arancar. He looks like emo, and he don't even have cool personality. He's ordinary cold bastard.
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Sure, the main character has to win sooner or later lol.
As for Ulquiorra's personality, I totally disagree, but this is not the place for longer discussions about Ulquiorra.


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Its obvious Ichigo will eventually win ^^ And Ulquira is surely not my favourite Arancar. He looks like emo, and he don't even have cool personality. He's ordinary cold bastard.


I BEG TO DISAGREE!
Ulquiorra is my favorite Arrancar! (pretty obvious w/ my avatar) He's no bastard!
Yeah, I agree with Ariana, I hope no one looses but that IS impossible so I'm pretty lonely on that part D=

Putting Ulquiorra tot he side, I once again agree with Ariana, I think that child birth happens in SS. Because how do hey have sons and daughters there, if they are all like adopted to be each other's family then why is Rukia considered as 'adopted' if they are all not family so chald birth happens in SS.

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True, saying that Rukia is an adopted child would be totally unnecessary if all children in SS were adopted anyway. And the whole concept of a clan pretty much means there have to be blood relations. It's not like a noble clan consist of kids picked up on the streets.

And lol, it's so funny how some people can say Ulquiorra is a cold bastard while he in fact hasn't even shownthat much of actual cruelty. And he even expressed interest in humans and their emotions, and what's more, whenever Orihime talks to him, he does listen to her instead of going all "STFU!" (that's what Grimmjow would do lol). He does want to understand her and her friends. Well, I could go on about this, but I guess since it's a shounen manga, some people see the most obvious stuff and don't really notice the small hints lol.
And well, all the higher ranked Espada seem much calmer than the lower ranked ones and they all don't look for a fight like the other ones did. I wouldn't really mind if they all "turned to the light side" lol. And, knowing Bleach, this is possible.
Went off-topic, but well, I got the permission from the creator of the club hehehe.
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Sep 26, 2008 2:49 PM

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this is my funny sugestion

they meried in a sicret a they have a child called Toshiro
but they dont tell him and he think thet he has no famyli
Gin take the baby ang give it away from Rangiku
then rangiku found Toshiro and take it with her in Gotei 13
and today Toshiro have his ouw problems , Gin is bad and rangiku is going to pursute gin and kill him because he told her that the baby is dead

and this is the edn of my stupid story
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You don't need to be cruel to be a bastard xD Yet Im on ep 152, so I probably didn't seen all of his reactions and behaviours ^^

And about noble clans. They could pickup people who are strong, or they could been related on earth or something like that. Remember the kid who was turned in the parrot? They've met him in SS and he was also adopted. And as far i remember he said its normal thing in SS
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As for the "stupid story", there are quite a lot of people who think Hitsu might be Gin and Rangiku's kid, but I dunno. It's not totally impossible, but I don't really like this theory.
But I really don't believe Rangiku wants to kill Gin hehe.

Some of the good scenes with Ulquiorra have yet to appear in the anime XD
Well, if he indeed was such a bastard, he would treat Inoue like shit, but he doesn't.

I did think it could be something about people who had been related while still alive, but the whole idea seems weird lol. They do age in SS, so why can't they have children as well? I think it all depends on the spiritual power. Those whose spiritual power is greater are more like humans, so they even feel hunger and such.
And if death does exist in SS, birth can exist as well I guess.


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They would have overpopulation problems. Birth in SS is death in normal world. Yet we still don't have clear situation with Ichigo birth... (i dont want to put any spoiler here, yet i think everyone who watched anime lately, know what am i refering to).

And about Hitsu = Rangiku and Gin child - that would be cheesy as hell. Thats no StarWars ("Im your father Hitsu<smile>" "No... this is imposible") eghhhh xP Even thinking about such twist in plot is painful >.<

And about Ulquira - i change my mind. He still looks emo, but hes not bastard - hes a sociopath xD He's evil like Hannibal Lecter - and he plays with Orihime - doing some psychological tricks like those bad news when the crew was trying to save her. Thats not very nice ^^ Of course, he's learning human behaviours this way, but its immoral way to learn isn't it?
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this whit Gin and Rankigu kid its was a JOKE nobody lissen to me I allways ssay stupid things dont lissen to me

there is not a 1 % truth in my word it was just a joke

sorry that I have misled you all
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Arghhhh! How dare you decieve mighty me?! I shall have revenge for this insult! DEATH COME FOR YEEEE ! ! !

<cleans his axe> And about Hitsu being Gin and Matsumoto child, after further thinking, i heard so much unbelievable theories with came to be truth, that nothing will amaze me ^^
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Paladyn_Rage said:
And about Hitsu being Gin and Matsumoto child, after further thinking, i heard so much unbelievable theories with came to be truth, that nothing will amaze me ^^

Same with me lol.


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LOL!! Hitsugaya is Gin and Rangiku's child, never thouht of that before....but now that I think of it ....He does have the same hair with Gin but that's all.....then why is Toushirou with Hinamori when he was younger....

This is what I think = They had the child but it died.....that can explain why they're no longer together when Gin betrayed SS...
Well, it's just a guess.


About Ulquiorra:
Paladyn_Rage said:


And about Ulquira - i change my mind. He still looks emo, but hes not bastard - hes a sociopath xD He's evil like Hannibal Lecter - and he plays with Orihime - doing some psychological tricks like those bad news when the crew was trying to save her. Thats not very nice ^^ Of course, he's learning human behaviors this way, but its immoral way to learn isn't it?


I don't think he's THAT evil. And I don't think he plays with Orihime, he's just too loyal to Aizen. Those 'tricks' are just orders from Aizen I think...


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They would have overpopulation problems. Birth in SS is death in normal world. Yet we still don't have clear situation with Ichigo birth... (i dont want to put any spoiler here, yet i think everyone who watched anime lately, know what am i refering to).


Yeah, I'm confused with that too. How can a shinigami have a kid with a human? I hope Bleach doesn't without explaining those small details.

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Just finished Hueco Mundo arc. Grimjow is totally my favourite villain xD He's almost like Lobo xD And he trapped Ulquira ^^

And about same hair color - i just solved the mystery: Hitsugaya is child of Gin and Ukitake xD They all has the same hair color xD

Oh I almost forgot about Ulquira: he doesn't understand peopel thinking - truth, but typically psycho-killer also doesn't understand normal people thinking. And he eaten other hollows before (only way to evolve for Hollow) - sounds pretty much like mister Lecter to me ^^
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1. Ulquira is cool
2. This Club is for Rangiku not for Ulquira

pls go type somewher else
if you dont like him its ok
but here we are talking for Matsumoto

I think thah Ulquira have his own club (think)
Sep 28, 2008 4:42 AM
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1.Iz not
2.True

If you look closely, you will se, that it was only a side discussion - in every post, there was something about Matsumoto, so this wasn't so much of offtop ^^ But you're right - offtop = baaaad.

This Gin Matsumoto child theory is kinda weird. There was nothing that would at least give us a clue about it. And all the parent-look'a'like characters mostly looks a little bit older than everyone else. Imgo Rangiku and Gin looks to young for it.
Yet i must admit, that Ichimaru probably got his own goals, that he wan't to acomplish with the help of Aizen and it may be related to Matsumoto... erection problems maybe? xD
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Paladyn_Rage said:

This Gin Matsumoto child theory is kinda weird. There was nothing that would at least give us a clue about it. And all the parent-look'a'like characters mostly looks a little bit older than everyone else. Imgo Rangiku and Gin looks to young for it.
Yet i must admit, that Ichimaru probably got his own goals, that he wan't to acomplish with the help of Aizen and it may be related to Matsumoto... erection problems maybe? xD


Yeah, I know it's wierd and I came up with it.....because there were HINTS (such as lines like: what are we going to do with it.......blah blah, I don't remember exactly because the flashbacks suddenly just flashes then after a second it's gone)
But it's possible..........it may be the reason why their no longer w/ each other


Paladyn_Rage said:

Oh I almost forgot about Ulquira: he doesn't understand peopel thinking - truth, but typically psycho-killer also doesn't understand normal people thinking. And he eaten other hollows before (only way to evolve for Hollow) - sounds pretty much like mister Lecter to me ^^


Well, if Ulquiorra's "Mr. lecter" then so is Grimmjow....duh ALL of them ate hollows
that's the only reason why the are all vasto lorde right now!

Yeah, I agree, let's stop the Ulquiorra talk, it's insulting.
We just keep on blabbing for no reason anyway.

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Everything is possible. They could even reffering to Gins erection problem (thats my Theory xD). I hope this mistery will be solved in upcoming episodes. There's much questions without answer.
Yet the theory about dead child is... possible. Matsumoto does drink alot and she's very cheerful, so cheerful that it seems to be a pose

And about Ulquiorra - ain't know how its insulting - but offtop is offtop. And I agree we should stop it ^^

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Matsumoto does drink alot and she's very cheerful, so cheerful that it seems to be a pose


So you mean like the baby fell???????

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I think thah Ulquira have his own club (think)


Yeah, but of course, you won't argue about the things we argue because everyone there loves or likes Ulquiorra so it's boring but it's good to fight with that kind of issue sometimes

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Jaica-jeN_ said:
Vini_BG said:


I think thah Ulquira have his own club (think)


Yeah, but of course, you won't argue about the things we argue because everyone there loves or likes Ulquiorra so it's boring but it's good to fight with that kind of issue sometimes


True. true ^^

So you mean like the baby fell???????


I mean, this could be a hint. Parents who lost their children act... variously. In flashbacks she doesn't seem to act like she's doing it now. Of course she was younger but still its a little suspicious. And Gin is master in disguising his true goals and feelings, so its possible.

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WHY why I make the joke with Gin and Rangiku child

but you say that we have no clue
but now I remember something

"What you gona do with this child Gin" say matsumoto once in her memory but never say for who is talking
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but you say that we have no clue
but now I remember something

"What you gona do with this child Gin" say matsumoto once in her memory but never say for who is talking


Yay! Someone actually remembered that line too....but did she say "child", I remember her saying "it" meaning, it may still be a fetus at that time. I really don't remember exactly because like I said, flashbacks are always in a flash.

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DON'T JOKE ABOUT A CHILD ! NEVER ! THIS INS'T THING TO JOE ABOUT YOU NON-CHRISTIANIST INFIDEL! ! !

Well, don't really remember the line. If it was "it" it could be anything. Maybe Gin gots tatoo on his butt and Matsumoto was just curious after he showed it... Maybe it was Gin's porn collection... so this is not much of clue, if she didn't clearly said: child.
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DON'T JOKE ABOUT A CHILD ! NEVER ! THIS INS'T THING TO JOE ABOUT YOU NON-CHRISTIANIST INFIDEL! ! !.



Ok, I get it, calm down~! We're just talking about POSSIBLE theories on Gin and Matsumoto's very mysterious past. And that "child" is a theory.

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Well, don't really remember the line. If it was "it" it could be anything. Maybe Gin gots tatoo on his butt and Matsumoto was just curious after he showed it... Maybe it was Gin's porn collection... so this is not much of clue, if she didn't clearly said: child.


What the hell is that......?

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Ok, I get it, calm down~! We're just talking about POSSIBLE theories on Gin and Matsumoto's very mysterious past. And that "child" is a theory.


Why so SERIOUS?!


What the hell is that......?


Non-ironic translation: If they didn't clearly said: "Child" than they could talk about everything that time.

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Why so SERIOUS?!

Well, you sound serious too so I answered seriously lol xDDD




Non-ironic translation: If they didn't clearly said: "Child" than they could talk about everything that time.

I know what that means, And I'm not done talking...
What the hell is that AND why the hell would they talk about those? I know it's a joke but why would you give those as examples?

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Well, you sound serious too so I answered seriously lol xDDD


Awwwww c'mon... me ? Serious? Te-hee, no way xD

I know what that means, And I'm not done talking...
What the hell is that AND why the hell would they talk about those? I know it's a joke but why would you give those as examples?


Just pick up some possibilities that i had in mind ^^ Of course, they could talk about everything: and that was my point: young people got many things to talk about, and many things that they should do something about (retirement fund, insurance if those examples sounds better to you)
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let me see a new theory

Matsumoto is Vasto lorde and she was very special and they tried to kill her but someone save her and send her in soul society and in the desert and there found Gin
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let me see a new theory

Matsumoto is Vasto lorde and she was very special and they tried to kill her but someone save her and send her in soul society and in the desert and there found Gin


lol so does that mean she's a hollow in soul society...and she is placed as a lieutenant even though she's a hollow.....they allowed something like that??

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They've didn't mind human-shinigami-hollow hybrid so its possible. (I wonder: If matsumoto is hollow - where's the hole? ;3)
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(I wonder: If matsumoto is hollow - where's the hole? ;3)


LOL

I think that theory is possible but there are some facts that contradicts such as the fact the she is only in the position of lieutenant. All Vasto Lordes are powerful. I'm not saying she's not powerful or anything but she not just ~that~ powerful. (*suddenly realizes something*) Wait, I take that reason why I don't believe this theory back because...I think she is as powerful as those fraccions, right? And fraccions are Vasto Lordes. So....

But I still don't believe this theory.

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going bak to the gin-rangiku kid theory (even tho i don't really think they had a kid, i think that they didn't even get to first base with each other, cuz rangiku at some point denies caring about gin, she culdnt really do that if she had sex with him before, lol, but i certainly think rangiku, if not both of them wanted to go all the way) it wuld be absolutely hilarious if their kid was Yachiru Kusajishi, kenpachi's vice captain (just in case anyone 4got bout her, i admit i had to look her name up to make sure i was rite, lol)
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going bak to the gin-rangiku kid theory (even tho i don't really think they had a kid, i think that they didn't even get to first base with each other, cuz rangiku at some point denies caring about gin, she culdnt really do that if she had sex with him before, lol, but i certainly think rangiku, if not both of them wanted to go all the way) it wuld be absolutely hilarious if their kid was Yachiru Kusajishi, kenpachi's vice captain (just in case anyone 4got bout her, i admit i had to look her name up to make sure i was rite, lol)


Nope nope. She has told past. So that's denied.

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hmm just watching ep.60
and Rangiku says
"Gin, what are you going to do with this kid"
"What are you doing with me"
"where you whant to go"
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hmm just watching ep.60
and Rangiku says
"Gin, what are you going to do with this kid"
"What are you doing with me"
"where you whant to go"


Did she really say kid?

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Im totally gonna check out subs. This cries for further investigation <OMFG SERIOUS BUSINESS!>
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yes she say kid
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You know, those translated lines looks kinda fishy to me.
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You know, those translated lines looks kinda fishy to me.
Why?

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i think,that gin is try to embrace matsumoto a long time,but she dont want to be a relation with him.(hehe,go rangiku,gin,go to hell!xD)
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I LYKE GINXMATSUMOTO!
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Great i love it the same way i love her with hitsugaya
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With all the current bleach action, I think rangiku loves him. vary much.
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