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| Good to see some back story on their fathers and how the virus came to be. The virus is basically a reaper attack to wipe out all civilization after a certain amount of time? =P Mana really is slowly taking over Inori right? I predict Shu turning her back into the original Inori some way or another. |
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| Well I meant the earlier Gai (prior to episode 12 when he seemed to be killed with Mana) that didn't have the messed up eye, or maybe Gai's eyes were always messed up and they just used plastic surgery to hide that up until now, that's possible too. I do wonder who is collecting the fragments. Haruka said Shu was collecting them, but as you point out Daath/Yu was also saying to some mysterious figure (Gai? Keido? :) as well. Decent background info, nevertheless. |
| Lot's of thing explained in this episode Alien stuff makes men more evil :3 Hope the last 2 episodes ends well |
| Although this show has been an absolute trainwreck, it seems a bit late for them to finally answer all these questions which should've been answered sooner. If they were seriously going to rush things this much, they should've just gone for a 2 season show rather than just a 2 cour one. That way, they could've paced themselves better. Oh well. I guess I'll settle with this as well. Although, I won't be surprised if we get a "TO BE CONTINUED" ending as well. |
VioLink said:  Priceless :D |
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Paul said: Tachii said: So now the only major mystery is who the hell Daath/Yuu is. And how Gai got resurrected (if he did die) and consequently why the change of heart, why he can see what Voids people have, etc. Kurosu's diary on the Void Genome still doesn't make sense to me. Though I kinda stopped trying to make sense of this mess already. It's also pretty bad about the Mana bit where her parts were scattered to people's Voids and Shu just collected them, conveniently all/mostly in the high school students? : I'm not sure about a few of the questions but back in Ep 17 or w/e one Gai cut off Shu's arm, it shows Yu saying to a certain hidden someone "good job on collecting the fragments" and pulls out a hidden void. If you've noticed Gai's right eye the past episodes, it's 'different'. Robotic maybe? That's probably why he can see the voids. You guys got a lot of things mixed up. First of all it's explained in Episode 9 that people who are infected with the Apocalyptic cancer have the ability to see voids. So that's why he could see people voids and now since Shu took Souta's cancer, Shu should be able to see them too. Then it seems that Mana had already transferred her conscious in Inori by the time Shu, Gai and Ayase came to help. But it seems in order to make her complete or whole pieces of her or factors of her had to be collected since they were scattered around when she caused the Apocalyptic outbreak. These factors of hers were scattered around and mixed with peoples voids which is why I think some people had a high genome resonance. Shu then started to form a small army of people with a high genome resonance number. With Inori being around them, Mana collected the scattered factors from the the people. Peoples voids are still their "hearts" its just that some sort of invisible factor (like a part of Mana's soul) was mixed in with them and Mana had to get them back by absorbing them or something. I too am a bit stumped about the Void Genome thing but it seems like Kurosu created it (Actually he was the first one to find it and was't actually cultivated until later on by Sephirah Genomics) to counter the Apocalyptic Virus. Also in episode 17 that was Gai's void Yuu was pulling out. |
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| Fuck this episode after last week's awesome episode this was a real let down i was really looking forward to this episode. but this episode had no story progression at all really it just explained some shit from the past.I expected with only a few episodes left they would pull this shit they don't got time for weak episodes like this. Boo this episode sucked! |
| Urgh.. too much discussion to read... who the hell is Daath? What some kind of alien who wanted to purge humanity? haha... To Gai's goals: "Killing people is the solution to all problems, no men, no problem" - Joseph Stalin |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
awesome-49 said: Fuck this episode after last week's awesome episode this was a real let down i was really looking forward to this episode. but this episode had no story progression at all really it just explained some shit from the past.I expected with only a few episodes left they would pull this shit they don't got time for weak episodes like this. Boo this episode sucked! You can't expect every episode to be awesome, and this episode explained(roughly) a LOT of the problems posed at this series |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
GodlyKyon said: I thought Daath was a whole cult of people and Yuu was more like their mouthpiece in the story.Urgh.. too much discussion to read... who the hell is Daath? What some kind of alien who wanted to purge humanity? haha... To Gai's goals: "Killing people is the solution to all problems, no men, no problem" - Joseph Stalin |
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| I thought so. Shu's chosen. Lol. |
| Flashback "explaining all" episode, with a drastic reveal... ...Apparently Shu means "group" and not "footwear"! |
| Could of done with a little of Progression this episode rather then most/all of it being flash backs and explaining (most of which you knew or could make out yourself already) Non the less, being a fan boy I love this episode, love the anime. |
 ↑Bullshit, ordered 100mbps.. Waiting on technician to fix issue T.T↑ |
TBOkmph said: Flashback "explaining all" episode, with a drastic reveal... ...Apparently Shu means "group" and not "footwear"! I dunno why I found that so amusing, lol. |
| I don't see anything wrong with this episode. We needed it anyways, there was too much that needed explanation. At least we know more about Shu and his family now. I liked it. |
| Nice flashback about his family, but I'm still don't understand a lot of things. This show is so messed up imo. |
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TBOkmph said: Flashback "explaining all" episode, with a drastic reveal... ...Apparently Shu means "group" and not "footwear"! That was really funny xD |
MasterMeNL said: Nice flashback about his family, but I'm still don't understand a lot of things. This show is so messed up imo. About his family? So you missed the conflict between Kurosu and Keidou? |
| So-so episode. A few things : -Souta needs to die. -Shu's father was awesome. -What le f*** happened to Arisa? -Gai is passive even with the deceleration. Boring villain.....only bad ass in the field. -Souta needs to die. Arisa needs to die. -That meteor excuse is so BS. The only thing related to space in this entire series are the satellites. Meteor falling from space is the source of virus? That's a garbage way of placing one of the biggest problems in the series. -Haruka x Shu. LOL JK. Then again it isn't incest. LOL. -Shu with all those voids stacked? Are we expecting another super mega fusion of void transformation? -Souta and Arisa needs to die. -Why haven't we seen anything destroyed by the satellites when there's been so much invasion attempts? Overall this ep was ok. I like the explanation and all but there are still a lot of things unexplained. Prediction : Super Mega Fusion of Voids Transformation battle. Shu will take Inori/Mana's void and absorb Mana along with le void! and then somehow release Mana somewhere.....since it's sorta implied Shu can control what he takes from the host? Just speculation. |
Cian13thMar 10, 2012 2:25 AM
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| Whoa. This one sucked bad. I mean I know it's my fault for having any expectations whatsoever, but man, the last few minutes were agonizing... This episode was just as bad as the ones halfway through the series. I guess I won't be raising GS's score after all... |
levin013 said: those who say it's not and it sucks are just being mainstream just because a lot of people say it sucks. lol. they wanna feel like they're genius pointing a lot of flaws and stuff. tsk. how hypocrite. GuiltyKing said: I can accept people's opinions since they're entitled to them but calling it bad without any reason whatsoever is something that I can't accept that easily. So am I actually supposed to 'point out the flaws and stuff' or 'call it bad without any reason'? I'll just say I didn't like it (if that's being mainstream I'll just have to live with that). This show can't decide if it's action/mecha/supernatural-oriented or some sort of a tearjerker. Episodes with a fair dose of action and story progression are generally good, while the other ones are just overdramatic and, therefore, suck. Summing up, this episode: was overdramatic (especially the last scene), explained nothing after all (did we learn anything IMPORTANT? not really, I still have no idea who Inori is, for example), had no story progression (Gai announcing the end of the world was all that happened) and did nothing to set up a premise for the show's finale. I'm not trying to convince anyone into sharing my opinion. Just a reply to the two guys. |
Tomodachi5 said: 1. Ehhhhh, anyone with the Apocalyptic virus can see Voids? Seriously? ;| Guess I'll check episode 9 later. I've been asking this question as early as I can remember but thanks for answering it.You guys got a lot of things mixed up. First of all it's explained in Episode 9 that people who are infected with the Apocalyptic cancer have the ability to see voids. So that's why he could see people voids and now since Shu took Souta's cancer, Shu should be able to see them too. Then it seems that Mana had already transferred her conscious in Inori by the time Shu, Gai and Ayase came to help. But it seems in order to make her complete or whole pieces of her or factors of her had to be collected since they were scattered around when she caused the Apocalyptic outbreak. These factors of hers were scattered around and mixed with peoples voids which is why I think some people had a high genome resonance. Shu then started to form a small army of people with a high genome resonance number. With Inori being around them, Mana collected the scattered factors from the the people. Peoples voids are still their "hearts" its just that some sort of invisible factor (like a part of Mana's soul) was mixed in with them and Mana had to get them back by absorbing them or something. 2. Well, Inori wasn't shown to be doing any collection whatsoever but that's fine with me. It's not a major gripe, though I'd appreciate if anyone can point out hints of this ever happening other than the assumption that just cuz she was close, she could absorb her fragments. |
Tachii said: Inori wasn't shown doing many things she did...like killing people. But I think the one that, unknowingly, collected them was Shu. They probably transferred over to Gai when he stole Shu's Void Genome, and Gai gave them to the Daath kid afterwards or so we're led to assume.Tomodachi5 said: 1. Ehhhhh, anyone with the Apocalyptic virus can see Voids? Seriously? ;| Guess I'll check episode 9 later. I've been asking this question as early as I can remember but thanks for answering it.You guys got a lot of things mixed up. First of all it's explained in Episode 9 that people who are infected with the Apocalyptic cancer have the ability to see voids. So that's why he could see people voids and now since Shu took Souta's cancer, Shu should be able to see them too. Then it seems that Mana had already transferred her conscious in Inori by the time Shu, Gai and Ayase came to help. But it seems in order to make her complete or whole pieces of her or factors of her had to be collected since they were scattered around when she caused the Apocalyptic outbreak. These factors of hers were scattered around and mixed with peoples voids which is why I think some people had a high genome resonance. Shu then started to form a small army of people with a high genome resonance number. With Inori being around them, Mana collected the scattered factors from the the people. Peoples voids are still their "hearts" its just that some sort of invisible factor (like a part of Mana's soul) was mixed in with them and Mana had to get them back by absorbing them or something. 2. Well, Inori wasn't shown to be doing any collection whatsoever but that's fine with me. It's not a major gripe, though I'd appreciate if anyone can point out hints of this ever happening other than the assumption that just cuz she was close, she could absorb her fragments. |
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| Ok episode I guess. Hope we can see Inori's backstory next episode. |
GuiltyKing said: Not quite sure if someone already mentioned it but they changed Gai's appearance in the opening back to his normal self. Judging by the opening's history of foreshadowed events it's fairly obvious what's going to happen IMO. WMG: I guess that could explain why Gai didn't kill Shu, considering in episode 10 he said you could get the Genome back by killing the user. |
| oh god no, it would really suck if they pull gai back into a good "gai", i like this anime buti have to say if they pull a gai did it all with good intentions and planned it all, i would seriously dislike this anime, i will only accept it if they say gai went crazy with his infection or was controlled by daat or whatever but tbh either way i would want gai to die by the end of this show, he died once and he should of stayed dead, i really want shu to kill gai AGAIN it seems pointless to keep gai in this show now that shu has already become a good leader, and i dont want gai to come back as the leader when shu is superior to him, imagine funeral parlor with gai back to being the leader and shu back to being a soldier, that would really suck, and i cant imagine gai being a subordinate of shu, it would ruin his character even more, i would want gai to just die either as the evil villain or as the noble hero like in episode 12 |
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| A couple of suggested answers to the questions that have been asked over the past ten pages (and questions that should have been asked): 1. Where is Arisa? Remember when she said she wanted all the information she could get about Gai. My bet is that she is currently off using the resources of the Kouhin group to do just that. I'll double down and say that information may also prove important in dealing with Gai. 2. Who the hell is Yuu? (and where did he come from?) Ok, this should be easy. Mysterious virus comes from outerspace. Mysterious child with strange powers appears and offers to help scientists bring about apocalypse (mass extinction) and create new world. Let's connect the dots and see if we can figure out who the real big bad is.... Again my bet is that the virus is a weapon developed by who (or what) is behind Yuu. 3. Was Mana really a crazy incestuous bitch from the get go? No, remember all of that shit happens after she is infected by the virus. It's quite possible she was being manipulated by Yuu and his organization (I don't think they will play the supernatural card here, so hostile aliens it is...). She still probably has to die in order for a Shu x Inori (and Gai x Arisa) pairing to happen, but I see her as another tragic casualty that will advance development (like Hare). 4. Will there be another season? Yes if I am correct and Yuu and Daath are the real big bad, then there will need to be another season. If I am wrong and they are just going to pull an ending out of their ass, then two more is all they need. 5. Is this the worst anime ever made? (You might think this based on some of the postings and posters.) Nope. Look at the current rating score and bring up the stats. The distribution of responses would seem to indicate a pretty strong agreement that this is pretty close to an "8". Note the very small number of ratings in the bottom three scoring categories versus the top three scoring categories. 6. Will haters keep posting in this forum (and presumably watch the episodes they so despise)? Yes! (but read the last line in my sig) |
rodacMar 10, 2012 5:26 PM
Please don't feed the trolls! In my next life I want to collide at the corner with the cute transfer student carrying a piece of toast in her mouth...rodac |
rodac said: A couple of suggested answers to the questions that have been asked over the past ten pages (and questions that should have been asked): 1. Where is Arisa? Remember when she said she wanted all the information she could get about Gai. My bet is that she is currently off using the resources of the Kouhin group to do just that. I'll double down and say that information may also prove important in dealing with Gai. 2. Who the hell is Yuu? (and where did he come from?) Ok, this should be easy. Mysterious virus comes from outerspace. Mysterious child with strange powers appears and offers to help scientists bring about apocalypse (mass extinction) and create new world. Let's connect the dots and see if we can figure out who the real big bad is.... Again my bet is that the virus is a weapon developed by who (or what) is behind Yuu. 3. Was Mana really a crazy incestuous bitch from the get go? No, remember all of that shit happens after she is infected by the virus. It's quite possible she was being manipulated by Yuu and his organization (I don't think they will play the supernatural card here, so hostile aliens it is...). She still probably has to die in order for a Shu x Inori (and Gai x Arisa) pairing to happen, but I see her as another tragic casualty that will advance development (like Hare). 4. Will there be another season? Yes if I am correct and Yuu and Daath are the real big bad, then there will need to be another season. If I am wrong and they are just going to pull an ending out of their ass, then two more is all they need. 5. Is this the worst anime ever made? (You might think this based on some of the postings and posters.) Nope. Look at the current rating score and bring up the stats. The distribution of responses would seem to indicate a pretty strong agreement that this is pretty close to an "8". Note the very small number of ratings in the bottom three scoring categories versus the top three scoring categories. 6. Will haters keep posting in this forum (and presumably watch the episodes they so despise)? Yes! (but read the last line in my sig) 1. Don't forget that Arisa's Grandpa had an extensive report on Gai, including a photo of Gai, Mana, Shu and Haruka. She could have read this report. We know that she saw Shu's awakening and the battle. We just weren't shown her having a chat with Haruka like she and Shu agreed. Or what happened between 19 and 20. 2. The Daath Cult? Organization? gets thrown into the mix in the last 2 episodes without much of an explaination. Yuu/Daath/Eyebrows seems unchanged over the 17 years since we see him meeting with Keido and Kurosu. Could his Void Genome has altered his rate of aging? 3. It depends on if Eve was born of Virus created psychosis, or a persona implanted into Mana by the Virus. I agree that Mana/Eve needs to die. Probably taking Inori with her. 4. If there is another season, we may see Yuu and the Daath Cult as the big bads, but we may also see the creators of the Apocalypse Virus show up as well. 5. This series has so much potential, but is so lacking. Not the worse show ever, but it's not Great either. 6. Sooooo True. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
rodac said: 5. Is this the worst anime ever made? (You might think this based on some of the postings and posters.) Nope. Look at the current rating score and bring up the stats. The distribution of responses would seem to indicate a pretty strong agreement that this is pretty close to an "8". Note the very small number of ratings in the bottom three scoring categories versus the top three scoring categories. 6. Will haters keep posting in this forum (and presumably watch the episodes they so despise)? Yes! (but read the last line in my sig) 5. Sometimes popularity/success don´t add up with quality, mind you. I´ll have to agree with Articman, though: the worst show out there? Not exactly. Does it live up to its complete potential? Neither. The most watched, discussed and quite possibly most dissapointing anime of 2011? Most likely... 6. Haters and fan will have to endure with each other, whatever we like it or not, until this show is over. Could it be in order to have some balance? I can´t assure that, unfortunately :P |
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| Now that I think about it: LOL |
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Karura_Jiinsaru said: Now that I think about it: LOL I had a similar reaction to that scene. They didn't even try to make the place look new. It's like: Oh, we need a place where Daath/Eyebrows first meets Keido and Kurosu. Where to do this? We don't have the time or budget to create a new set. I know, lets use the Film Club Room. It has that Science Lab look to it. I don't know... The fans might not like us recycling sets in such an obivous manner. Don't worry about it. They'll be too interested in all of the other flashbacks to notice. Besides we'll throw in some really creepy Mana/Eve stuff right after this and they forget all about it. You really think they won't notice? They aren't stupid you know. Doesn't matter. It'll be too quick for them to notice. Besides how smart can they be if they're still watching Guilty Crown, after all of the other garbage we've given them to this point. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
| I noticed it too, couldn't really figure out the connection to as why they bothered to use that location though I don't see anything overall wrong with it either. |
| Overall good ep. Better than lasr 2-3 eps of absolute BS. 2 more eps to go ... relevancies to Code Geass had been completely cut off at this point (Hopefully, or else it's gonna be a bummer!) I liked how they made the crazy connections between all the characters in this anime. 4/5! (Being optimistic and hoping for a good ending ...) |
 When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. |
| My big issue (I have turned my brain off at this point & I"m enjoying this show for what it is - a spectacle that I watch between Chihayafuru)... is Gai. Other than the fact that he's possessed by the virus, why is he so blatantly into Mana all of a sudden. You'd think that with his flashbacks of a torturous childhood he'd not be so into this.... ... but MAYBE he faking?! dun dun dun. ohwell. I guess we'll find out. |
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| Does this mean that Mana is Shu's biological sister? If so, then pretty disgusting what's going on! |
| Kuroookoooooo-chin! |
| Man, I feel bad for Shu's dad. Figure out how the virus works.....BOOM! get taken about by your "best friend". Hard work pays off eh. Glad they finally cleared up most of the things I was questioning, and also next two episodes of GC gonna be so epic! |
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| At least this episode explained a bit more. But it feels as if they could have done more with the episode. Overall it felt like there wasn't enough substance to this episode, in other words, it seemed that it was lacking something. |
| My current rating for this show will fall back to a 6 if they decide to turn Gai to a "Good guy" again -_-' |
rodac said: 5. Is this the worst anime ever made? Nope. Far from it. What makes this series annoying is the amount of negativity it has gathered in the forums and across the Internet. I swear next time we gonna run a social experiment to inflame the haters on a series. I should have done that with Madoka and see how it went. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
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