What is your Opinion on Ouma Shu
| I like him, he's a reasonable kid who was put in a bad situation. What I don't like is the writing of the story. |
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| one of the few things that creates a difference between this show and CG. shoe is totally indecisive at several points in time. |
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| im only up to episode 16 but i hate this shu. he's taking it to far. he's just acting like a little bitch right now. it's not like hare would want him to be like that. |
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| I don't hate Shu but I like somebody else like Daryl, Gai(when he still blondie) or Kenji !! |
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| I have never felt such an intense dislike for a character up until Shoe. I don't see what people like in him and I don't like Kaji Yuki's voice either. I'm still watching Guilty Crown because I know I will be angry if I don't know how it ends. I'm hoping he dies some tragic death. |
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| I like how he's a nice guy and all but lets face it... he's dumb. Not a big fan of dumb characters unless it's the happy go lucky kind. Also INB4 Shu's void is replicating previously used voids. |
Day2Dream said: I like how he's a nice guy and all but lets face it... he's dumb. Not a big fan of dumb characters unless it's the happy go lucky kind. Also INB4 Shu's void is replicating previously used voids. Not Dumb, but rather uninformed. There have been too many times in which Shu just did not have the info he needed to make the right decisions. Gai has always been overly knowledgable about everything. But when presented with a problem, Shu is able to come up with a solution. Shu caught on pretty quickly that Gai could see voids and that was how he was able to come up with that plan in episode 2. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
| I like Shu. I like how hard he tries. It's just that, I think that he is very indecisive, so he has trouble making decisions. It's kind of a breath of fresh air, seeing such a pathetic protagonist try so hard AND succeeding at first. I enjoy how normal he is. "I'm dense? Maybe it's true that my mind works out of step with everyone else's. It's just that I don't know what to say to other people. So I hide my nervousness and try to go along with what they say. That's how I've made the quasi-friendships in my life." He describes himself pretty damn well. |
sandyjaynee said: im only up to episode 16 but i hate this shu. he's taking it to far. he's just acting like a little bitch right now. it's not like hare would want him to be like that. But what he RIGHT about what he did would save the most people?? He's not acting like that because he want to |
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KyashiDesu said: I like Shu. I like how hard he tries. It's just that, I think that he is very indecisive, so he has trouble making decisions. It's kind of a breath of fresh air, seeing such a pathetic protagonist try so hard AND succeeding at first. I enjoy how normal he is. "I'm dense? Maybe it's true that my mind works out of step with everyone else's. It's just that I don't know what to say to other people. So I hide my nervousness and try to go along with what they say. That's how I've made the quasi-friendships in my life." He describes himself pretty damn well. Yes, he does. But then he grows out of it and continues to do so, despite all of the Crap that is heaped upon him. I liked it in episode 18, while he's laying there, he's apologising for not saving everyone, for failing them. Then there is how he left the food there for the kid, pretending not to notice him, getting up and walking away. And, how he cleaned up Inori while she slept and left food for her. All in keeping with his character. He's stayed a nice guy through out the series, despite everything that has happened. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
Articman said: KyashiDesu said: I like Shu. I like how hard he tries. It's just that, I think that he is very indecisive, so he has trouble making decisions. It's kind of a breath of fresh air, seeing such a pathetic protagonist try so hard AND succeeding at first. I enjoy how normal he is. "I'm dense? Maybe it's true that my mind works out of step with everyone else's. It's just that I don't know what to say to other people. So I hide my nervousness and try to go along with what they say. That's how I've made the quasi-friendships in my life." He describes himself pretty damn well. Yes, he does. But then he grows out of it and continues to do so, despite all of the Crap that is heaped upon him. I liked it in episode 18, while he's laying there, he's apologising for not saving everyone, for failing them. Then there is how he left the food there for the kid, pretending not to notice him, getting up and walking away. And, how he cleaned up Inori while she slept and left food for her. All in keeping with his character. He's stayed a nice guy through out the series, despite everything that has happened. I think that's why I can't bring myself to hate Shu. I understand peoples' frustrations with him and why they hate him, but I think that he's a good person at heart. Despite him being a tyrant, he had good intentions. He knew that people would hate him. He knew it. He still continued doing things that way for the sake of saving as many people as possible. I really don't understand why people hate him so much. He's really not THAT bad. |
| I think the biggest change in Shu is that he believes that he can make a difference. Remember in Episode 1, how he was bemoaning the his powerlessness, saying shouldn't he be better then this. Now, he sees that he can be this, that he can make a difference, even without the Void Genome. The second biggest change is that he can now see beyond himself. That he can connect with other people. At the begining of GC, Shu talked about how he couldn't connect with others, that he had Quasi-Friendships, not real ones. Now, he has friends, comrades, he can even love. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
Articman said: I think the biggest change in Shu is that he believes that he can make a difference. Remember in Episode 1, how he was bemoaning the his powerlessness, saying shouldn't he be better then this. Now, he sees that he can be this, that he can make a difference, even without the Void Genome. The second biggest change is that he can now see beyond himself. That he can connect with other people. At the begining of GC, Shu talked about how he couldn't connect with others, that he had Quasi-Friendships, not real ones. Now, he has friends, comrades, he can even love. Wait what? Who are they? From what I saw nearly all of his friends betrayed him |
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GodlyKyon said: Articman said: I think the biggest change in Shu is that he believes that he can make a difference. Remember in Episode 1, how he was bemoaning the his powerlessness, saying shouldn't he be better then this. Now, he sees that he can be this, that he can make a difference, even without the Void Genome. The second biggest change is that he can now see beyond himself. That he can connect with other people. At the begining of GC, Shu talked about how he couldn't connect with others, that he had Quasi-Friendships, not real ones. Now, he has friends, comrades, he can even love. Wait what? Who are they? From what I saw nearly all of his friends betrayed him You said nearly all. I would count Ayase as one of his friends. She thinks enough of Shu to slap him, to talk to him, to try to convince him that what he's doing is wrong. To try to help him. I noticed that Tsugumi prevented Ayase from going to Shu's aid during the Coup D'etat. Also, Ayase opened up to Shu, a little, during episode 13. Shu opened up enough emotionally, that Hare was able to confess her feelings to him. It's not that she knew that he returned her feelings, But that he was receptive to hearing her feelings. Something that he wasn't able to do at the begining of GC. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
Articman said: GodlyKyon said: Articman said: I think the biggest change in Shu is that he believes that he can make a difference. Remember in Episode 1, how he was bemoaning the his powerlessness, saying shouldn't he be better then this. Now, he sees that he can be this, that he can make a difference, even without the Void Genome. The second biggest change is that he can now see beyond himself. That he can connect with other people. At the begining of GC, Shu talked about how he couldn't connect with others, that he had Quasi-Friendships, not real ones. Now, he has friends, comrades, he can even love. Wait what? Who are they? From what I saw nearly all of his friends betrayed him You said nearly all. I would count Ayase as one of his friends. She thinks enough of Shu to slap him, to talk to him, to try to convince him that what he's doing is wrong. To try to help him. I noticed that Tsugumi prevented Ayase from going to Shu's aid during the Coup D'etat. Also, Ayase opened up to Shu, a little, during episode 13. Shu opened up enough emotionally, that Hare was able to confess her feelings to him. It's not that she knew that he returned her feelings, But that he was receptive to hearing her feelings. Something that he wasn't able to do at the begining of GC. Well, I was couinting Ayase, she did try to help him after all. Arugo didn't count, and the rest of the Funeral Parlor barely knows him. Hare and Gai are both dead and Gai's revived form doesn't care about Shu. Mana just wants to bang him? Haruka IDK why she's making her son go through with all this shit. Tsugumi tried to prevent Ayase so not sure about her. Arisa is beyond help as we all know and that guy(can't remember his name) who was Shu's former friend pushed him down a crater. So the list of Shu's close ones are: Ayase Inori yeah... I would count that as "almost all' |
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| Don't hate the guy, but Guilty Crown should have just pulled TTGL Simon. It would have redeemed the show 10^100x. |
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Ardamaeus said: Don't hate the guy, but Guilty Crown should have just pulled TTGL Simon. It would have redeemed the show 10^100x. Then what? For the fans to complain even MORE about how this show copies? Besides, Gai was an asshole and Kamina was a "bro". |
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GodlyKyon said: Then what? For the fans to complain even MORE about how this show copies? Besides, Gai was an asshole and Kamina was a "bro". Pfftt, haters are gonna hate either way, dude. I only care about my sheer enjoyment, honestly don't give a f*ck what the l33t have to say ;D. Gai demonstrates as much interest to me as a cinderblock, dun give a sh*t. But if Shu-Shu had taken that path, sh*t would have gotten real, and that's all dat matters XP. |
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Ardamaeus said: GodlyKyon said: Then what? For the fans to complain even MORE about how this show copies? Besides, Gai was an asshole and Kamina was a "bro". Pfftt, haters are gonna hate either way, dude. I only care about my sheer enjoyment, honestly don't give a f*ck what the l33t have to say ;D. Gai demonstrates as much interest to me as a cinderblock, dun give a sh*t. But if Shu-Shu had taken that path, sh*t would have gotten real, and that's all dat matters XP. IDK, I honestly think Season one gone entirely wrong |
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I just had to share :D |
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uzee said: I just had to share :D <img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/420404_808570346761_38009261_36715680_1877802480_n.jpg" /> Just you wait Gai. He'll wipe that smile off your face with his glowy powered arm. |
uzee said: I just had to share :D ^LOL thier faces xD |
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| Shu has changed so much since the series begun... |
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GodlyKyon said: Shu has changed so much since the series begun... True. The writers did a good job of keeping the changes as subtle as possible. Happening over the course of the series and not just over 1-2 episodes. Too bad they couldn't do this with Inori. I'm looking forward to seeing what Shu is going to do in the coming episodes. Now, that he is powerless and alone. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
Articman said: I'm looking forward to seeing what Shu is going to do in the coming episodes. Now, that he is powerless and alone. Powerless, alone but determined. I'm strapping in for his counterattack. MAKE IT EPIC! |
Ardamaeus said: Don't hate the guy, but Guilty Crown should have just pulled TTGL Simon. It would have redeemed the show 10^100x. Yeah, I don't think so. No matter what character Shu is supposed to be: popular, wimpy, smug, Simon-type, and the like, I don't think that would have changed anything because the writers don't seem to get how to make these archetypes likable. Your anime has problems when the only character that gets some dignity is fucking Scarface, the guy who killed the only character I kind of liked. I don't see how that's possible. |
FlawfinderFeb 26, 2012 11:25 PM
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| @ Flawfinder nice user name m8, found any flaws in this show? Articman said: GodlyKyon said: Shu has changed so much since the series begun... True. The writers did a good job of keeping the changes as subtle as possible. Happening over the course of the series and not just over 1-2 episodes. what do u mean, he changed within the course of 1 episode, between ep 15 and 16 in any case he is a bad character, in fact all the characters are bad, they no emotions and no motives, with the exception of Hare which they killed of |
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tonyymmao said: @ Flawfinder nice user name m8, found any flaws in this show? Articman said: GodlyKyon said: Shu has changed so much since the series begun... True. The writers did a good job of keeping the changes as subtle as possible. Happening over the course of the series and not just over 1-2 episodes. what do u mean, he changed within the course of 1 episode, between ep 15 and 16 in any case he is a bad character, in fact all the characters are bad, they no emotions and no motives, with the exception of Hare which they killed of I was talking about Shu as a person, not a temporary change in personality brought on by the loss of a close friend, Hare. The Shu of the first episode could not do what Shu did in episode 14. Defuse a student rebellion/near riot. In episode 7, Hare commented that Shu had changed, was different from he was before. She repeated this to Shu and to Ayase in later episodes. She even encouraged Shu, in 14, to run for President, believing that he would be a good leader. Something she would not have done with the Shu of the first episode. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
tonyymmao said: @ Flawfinder nice user name m8, found any flaws in this show? You mean besides the terrible story, characters, writing, and directing (okay, the directing actually isn't bad)? No, nothing of the sort. By the way, for the people who brought up that they were sold on Shu when he rejected the offer in Episode 2, all I have to say is "why wasn't that the anime?" I would have liked Shu better if he was just a kid running from the war (and given how much Funeral Parlor sucks, he would have had every right to), using his powers to protect himself. At the halfway point, it could be him and Inori on the run from the world (I actually thought that was going to be the plot after Episode 17). At least that way, there would be a reason for him to be a wimp on this show (and I mean a reason besides the fact that it paves the way for underdog and character development). But no, Episode 3 decided to force him into FP and give him multiple personality disorder. |
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Articman said: Not Dumb, but rather uninformed. There have been too many times in which Shu just did not have the info he needed to make the right decisions. Gai has always been overly knowledgable about everything. But when presented with a problem, Shu is able to come up with a solution. Shu caught on pretty quickly that Gai could see voids and that was how he was able to come up with that plan in episode 2. No, he is dumb. In the first half he was a tool being used by Gai. Second half, Inori's void is OP. That's all he really needed to pawn everything in sight. But instead he tried to play king and lead an army using worthless voids. >_> uzee said: I just had to share :D Lol. Thanks for the laughs. Also seems I was right about Shu's void somewhat. :3 |
| My opinion of Shu is getting better by the episode; his monologue about his sin, his "guilty" crown was really good and made the title sound a lot better; since it suits his character. However in all honestly while he wasn't a good MC, he was never really a bad character; you can't realistically say that people would adapt to that scenario flawlessly so the comparisons to Shinji weren't warranted; but all the same its amazing how far he has come since the start of the series; i wish they developed other key characters like his. |
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| I'm pretty ambivalent toward his character. It's been done to death already but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. He's pretty much identical with many of the angst teens who's extremely gullible and has his wimpy-turn-badassery moments often too late in the series. Honorable mentions goes to Yukiteru from Mirai Nikki, Renton from Eureka 7, Shinji from EVA, Simon from TTGL, etc. The problem lies with the crap writing/poor editing GC is criticized for just about everyone who've prematurely dropped this or continue with it (like me) just because random turn of events had become a norm in GC and it's quite hilarious when it happens. |
| Shu certainly has begun to man up in episode 19. Much of his indecisiveness is gone. Liked his little speech to Segai, just before he killed him. |
| Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?" Watcman: "One who fears the dark." "And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction. "Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be." |
| He started out as a bit of a wuss, but it's been fun watching his character develop. He's a pretty cool guy. I would like to play vidya with him. |
| This love for Hirasawa Yui consumes me, washing over my dirty weeaboo body with a cleansing warmth that allows me to reach greater heights. It inspires me to be a better man; not the man they deserve, but the man she deserves. Yui, I love you. With everything I have. You are my one, my only. Mai waifu. |
| Man... I am liking him more and more, Shu FTW |
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| I finally voted, people who doesn't like him only makes up for 28% |
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| Well Lelouch didn't change that much, but we've seen his emotional flaws several times and how he reacts to different situations. Light on the other hand was a ruthless arrogant smartass since the beginning and was like it until the end. He didn't display really any wide range of emotions other than being a cold and calculating jerk. For me Death Note essentially was less about the characters but the ingenious plans involved in the brilliant mind of the mangaka. These characters just seemed like an entire plot device (who rarely deviated from their expected archetype) to get the battle to the next stage. |
| Haven't seen as much character development from any other characters from recent series compared to Shu's development He has earned a spot in my favorites and as my avatar. |
| Actually, I find differences in Lelouch and Light in the final episodes of their series compared to when they were first introduced. Lelouch's is just more subtle and Light went through negative character development. Shu's...I know a lot of people say it's natural, but I'm always aware that a writer is controlling him, which is not a good thing. The only development I kind of like is from his Episode 18 self to his Episode 19 self. I liked the development in Episode 14 when I first saw it, but I don't like it now. It feels pretty forced looking back on it. |
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| Generally I think he's the worst main character EVER. BUT I do think Inori is much worse so at least he's not the worst in the show ^-^ |
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| He's a crybaby IMO. I want a strong hero, not some kid always crying. |
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Hikarusuke said: He's a crybaby IMO. I want a strong hero, not some kid always crying. What the... Did you pay any attention for the last season? Sure he cried in the first season but he has toughened up a LOT in the second and recently he won't flinch. He received exponential character development, I honest think he is no longer the kid that streams videos on youtube for freetime in the beginning of the series "pain builds a character" |
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| I honestly LIKE characters that start out weak or wimpy but become amazing as series' go on. When they're handled well. Shu was not handled well. I honestly hated him till But, honestly, as I mentioned above, forced character development finally made me like Shu. He may have been a prick afterwards, but I really sympathized with him. I was angry when those students were mad at him for stupid reasons. He's really become great since the second cour started. |
WhiteStrike said: Do i like Shu? Yes, even though at times he really pissed me off, Shu holds something that most anime characters don't and that is a sense of reality. Shu is human and not an anime type of human but one from the real world because if what happened to him were to happened to us we would probably have done no diferent. Shu is often compared to many characters from diferent anime but if I were to pick someone to whom he is like the most it would be Kaname Madoka. Both characters are trown into a world of madness are kind at the very core. Both Madoka and Shu realise that their naïveté will only continue to hurt those they hold dear and thus take on a power that will ultimatly destroy them just for the sake of everyone else. Personally, I would pick Renton. Madoka and Shu may be similar in terms of the world they're thrown in, but in terms of actual character, I think Shu has more in common with Renton. As for the "we wouldn't have done anything different" argument, that's true to an extent, but I can't really agree with it for two main reasons: 1) Everything that happens to him seems kind of forced. I can't really recall one part of the anime that felt like the creators just placed Shu in the anime and let his actions create the scenes (except for maybe Episodes 18-19). Most of the time, I can actually see the writer going, "Hm, we need Shu to mope to Inori just to remind people that he's caring, even after he became a dictator. Oh, but we need him to go crazy after taking out Argo's void, just to make him morally ambiguous." And the less I say about that scene in Episode 3 (not the boob grab one), the better. 2) The show tends to reward him in ways that I don't think would happen to most people if they were in his situation. The defining moment of course, being that Inori and Hare are in love with him without a really good reason. Now, I personally wouldn't be in love with Inori if I was in his position, but a lot of guys say they would have, so whatever. This point kind of died once we got into the second half, but Inori and Shu's love for each other continues to baffle me to this day. And yes, I think there are better "real" protagonists than Shu. To be fair though, they tend to develop more towards the negative side, like practically all the main characters in Bokurano. I think Renton is the only "real" character in anime I can think of that is meant to be developed in a positive way. |
FlawfinderMar 2, 2012 2:40 PM
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| IDK, I can see how Inori was his wetdream but in LOVE? nah... |
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| ^Give it a couple more episodes. An "I love you" is bound to happen. T_T |
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