User-Name said: The idea of preserving the integrity reviews on MAL and encouraging people to write reviews on MAL was never in their mind ever since they introduced this whole "reaction" based system. As many people have said here, MAL is just evolving backward and is actively killing communities left and right.it's shows only three reviews on different definition, it does the opposing of encouraging people to write reviews. |
LordSozin said: to be honest, i do not care much for MAL review system.User-Name said: The idea of preserving the integrity reviews on MAL and encouraging people to write reviews on MAL was never in their mind ever since they introduced this whole "reaction" based system. As many people have said here, MAL is just evolving backward and is actively killing communities left and right.it's shows only three reviews on different definition, it does the opposing of encouraging people to write reviews. i'm mostly making reviews for myself, and since MAL won't show them anyway, i'm mostly sharing it on my friends list. being popular was never my aim, since even showing up on the reviews section doesn't add much popularity or wahtsoever. but all those are actually the result of what MAL made me do. instead developing the whole review to more social network like, it's goin backward. |
kinotabii said: What even is this "suggested" feature you guys have set as the option default for reviews and now want to further promote on the front page? It was announced in the previous update thread but you never bothered to explain how it actually works: I've done research on the suggested sort, so here's my best guess on how it works. Each reaction is given a weight. A "Like it" could be worth 1 point, a "Love it" could be worth 2 points, and so on. They add up all of the reactions, and the review with the most points goes to the top of the list. I don't know the exact weights given to all of the reactions, but I believe that "Confusing" has a negative weight and that reactions like "Well-Written" are worth more than the "Like it" reaction. It's basically like Reddit's upvote/downvote system, but some upvotes are worth more than others. It might be more complicated that, but that's all I can tell for sure. |
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fluffycow17 said: kinotabii said: What even is this "suggested" feature you guys have set as the option default for reviews and now want to further promote on the front page? It was announced in the previous update thread but you never bothered to explain how it actually works: I've done research on the suggested sort, so here's my best guess on how it works. Each reaction is given a weight. A "Like it" could be worth 1 point, a "Love it" could be worth 2 points, and so on. They add up all of the reactions, and the review with the most points goes to the top of the list. I don't know the exact weights given to all of the reactions, but I believe that "Confusing" has a negative weight and that reactions like "Well-Written" are worth more than the "Like it" reaction. It's basically like Reddit's upvote/downvote system, but some upvotes are worth more than others. It might be more complicated that, but that's all I can tell for sure. This is what I initially assumed as well, but the new review system seems to suggest otherwise because for a lot of titles, I'm not seeing the most well-received reviews actually being promoted to the top like they should be. Take for example this front page: https://myanimelist.net/anime/53998/Bleach__Sennen_Kessen-hen_-_Ketsubetsu-tan The reviews here haven't shifted even once, and if you go to the review page and check all the reviews written, the most voted one outperforms the currently promoted "Recommended" review by every metric: More hearts, more thumbs up, more "Well-Written"s, less confusing emojis and laughing emojis. Yet it's not at the front. It should already be displayed for "Most Voted" anyway, but like I said, there hasn't been a single rotation. Which is also why I'm questioning whether this new review system they implemented is even working as intended/promised or not. |
-KinoTabiAug 24, 2023 4:08 PM
User-Name said: I'm the type of person who reads reviews both on here and on Anilist because I like to see what others think. Because, you know, I like anime and I want to see different perspectives. I like to think many people who write and read reviews are like me. They're passionate about what they are watching and reading. And I think the easiest way for people to navigate through reviews is to make things simple. That's why I stated that people aren't dumb and they'll look for different opinions. I acknowledge that chasing fame or clout--which sounds stupid but it does exist, especially on MAL--is here. But that doesn't deteriorate the fact that I SEE people vote on reviews that are outside of established ones. I think the reason people do this is because they want to see how the community thinks and feels. LordSozin said: to be honest, i do not care much for MAL review system.The idea of preserving the integrity reviews on MAL and encouraging people to write reviews on MAL was never in their mind ever since they introduced this whole "reaction" based system. As many people have said here, MAL is just evolving backward and is actively killing communities left and right. i'm mostly making reviews for myself, and since MAL won't show them anyway, i'm mostly sharing it on my friends list. being popular was never my aim, since even showing up on the reviews section doesn't add much popularity or wahtsoever. but all those are actually the result of what MAL made me do. instead developing the whole review to more social network like, it's goin backward. It's fine if you don't care about the review system here, but you've to at least acknowledge that MAL is treating reviews like crap. Like they're totally neglecting the fact that there are hundreds upon hundreds of people who do engage in reviews. Being relatively active in reviews myself, I just find it disheartening to see, ig. |
kinotabii said: There's one review with 108 reactions that doesn't appear on the details page. Is that the one you are talking about? I think that might be because it has the spoiler tag on it. I've noticed that spoiler reviews don't get on the details page for whatever reason. The "Not Recommend" bleach review is on the details page despite having the spoiler tag, but since it's the only negative review, I guess it gets a pass.fluffycow17 said: I've done research on the suggested sort, so here's my best guess on how it works. Each reaction is given a weight. A "Like it" could be worth 1 point, a "Love it" could be worth 2 points, and so on. They add up all of the reactions, and the review with the most points goes to the top of the list. I don't know the exact weights given to all of the reactions, but I believe that "Confusing" has a negative weight and that reactions like "Well-Written" are worth more than the "Like it" reaction. It's basically like Reddit's upvote/downvote system, but some upvotes are worth more than others. It might be more complicated that, but that's all I can tell for sure. This is what I initially assumed as well, but the new review system seems to suggest otherwise because for a lot of titles, I'm not seeing the most well-received reviews actually being promoted to the top like they should be. Take for example this front page: https://myanimelist.net/anime/53998/Bleach__Sennen_Kessen-hen_-_Ketsubetsu-tan The reviews here haven't shifted even once, and if you go to the review page and check all the reviews written, the most-voted one outperforms the currently promoted "Recommended" review by every metric: More hearts, more thumbs up, more "Well-Written"s, less confusing emojis and laughing emojis. Yet it's not at the front. It should already be displayed for "Most Voted" anyway, but like I said, there hasn't been a single rotation. Which is also why I'm questioning whether this new review system they implemented is even working as intended or not. |
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LordSozin said: i said i care, but in a different way.User-Name said: I'm the type of person who reads reviews both on here and on Anilist because I like to see what others think. Because, you know, I like anime and I want to see different perspectives. I like to think many people who write and read reviews are like me. They're passionate about what they are watching and reading. And I think the easiest way for people to navigate through reviews is to make things simple. That's why I stated that people aren't dumb and they'll look for different opinions. I acknowledge that chasing fame or clout--which sounds stupid but it does exist, especially on MAL--is here. But that doesn't deteriorate the fact that I SEE people vote on reviews that are outside of established ones. I think the reason people do this is because they want to see how the community thinks and feels. to be honest, i do not care much for MAL review system. i'm mostly making reviews for myself, and since MAL won't show them anyway, i'm mostly sharing it on my friends list. being popular was never my aim, since even showing up on the reviews section doesn't add much popularity or wahtsoever. but all those are actually the result of what MAL made me do. instead developing the whole review to more social network like, it's goin backward. It's fine if you don't care about the review system here, but you've to at least acknowledge that MAL is treating reviews like crap. Like they're totally neglecting the fact that there are hundreds upon hundreds of people who do engage in reviews. Being relatively active in reviews myself, I just find it disheartening to see, ig. if MAL review system wouldn't based on popularity, but would evolve to more social network system, what you said would become much better. imagine that i can "follow" you when you "write" new reviews. or at the same time, getting reviews to my own personal references. how much length of review i want. etc. once you open the mind toward this idea, the options are almost unlimited. and yes, popularity is very common in social network, it can be there too, but with more options than just "recommended" "mixed" "not rcommended" but the current MAL system, as you said, went backward. it doesn't matter who wrote the reviews, it matters if it's popular or not. it can be trash reviews, but popular trash. and it will be there. oh, someone wrote new review: "I LOVE BLEACH", it will be there. while i do care for variety of voices, but this is not leading to there at all. |
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fluffycow17 said: kinotabii said: There's one review with 108 reactions that doesn't appear on the details page. Is that the one you are talking about? I think that might be because it has the spoiler tag on it. I've noticed that spoiler reviews don't get on the details page for whatever reason. The "Not Recommend" bleach review is on the details page despite having the spoiler tag, but since it's the only negative review, I guess it gets a pass.This is what I initially assumed as well, but the new review system seems to suggest otherwise because for a lot of titles, I'm not seeing the most well-received reviews actually being promoted to the top like they should be. Take for example this front page: https://myanimelist.net/anime/53998/Bleach__Sennen_Kessen-hen_-_Ketsubetsu-tan The reviews here haven't shifted even once, and if you go to the review page and check all the reviews written, the most-voted one outperforms the currently promoted "Recommended" review by every metric: More hearts, more thumbs up, more "Well-Written"s, less confusing emojis and laughing emojis. Yet it's not at the front. It should already be displayed for "Most Voted" anyway, but like I said, there hasn't been a single rotation. Which is also why I'm questioning whether this new review system they implemented is even working as intended or not. Yeah, that's the one I was referring to. And I think you're right, it adds up with other titles I checked like Mushoku Tensei S2. In which case, what an absolutely awful update LOL. They already bottlenecked spoiler-based reviews with the previous update by hiding them away in the abyss with the default option for reviews being set to "Spoiler Off" (most people don't bother toggling options or forget to do so due to the shitty interface when reading reviews, so this is a big deal), but now they're punishing people for wanting to go into plot-specifics when reviewing something. They already killed spoiler-based reviews by having them hidden by default on the review page despite creating a perfectly fine tag for them that read in bold red "Spoilers", but I guess that wasn't enough and they shouldn't even exist on the front page now. It's like they think the userbase can't read and has no cognitive control over their sight. |
-KinoTabiAug 24, 2023 4:35 PM
| This is great, now it's just a random recommended, mixed, and not recommended review on the front page now (at least for me), no spam reviews, no clout seekers, etc. It actually makes me want to read and figure out if I agree with them or not, instead of just looking at the total reactions. Some people definitely on suicide watch, now that there's less chance of getting your review seen, it'll be OK lol |
kinotabii said: What makes it even worse is that they also hide ALL reviews by default. Nobody's reading spoilers by accident when it requires clicking the "read more" button.They already killed spoiler-based reviews by having them hidden by default on the review page despite creating a perfectly fine tag for them that read in bold red "Spoilers", but I guess that wasn't enough and they shouldn't even exist on the front page now. It's like they think the userbase can't read and has no cognitive control over their sight. |
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kinotabii said: There are a lot of people who don't want to see spoilers or risk bumping into them by accident simply because they opened up a page belonging to a show or comic they are interested in. Those who are really interested in reading spoiler reviews can do it with just few clicks. To me, this way of treating spoiler reviews is alright. They already killed spoiler-based reviews by having them hidden by default on the review page despite creating a perfectly fine tag for them that read in bold red "Spoilers", but I guess that wasn't enough and they shouldn't even exist on the front page now. It's like they think the userbase can't read and has no cognitive control over their sight. |
Adnash said: kinotabii said: There are a lot of people who don't want to see spoilers or risk bumping into them by accident simply because they opened up a page belonging to a show or comic they are interested in. Those who are really interested in reading spoiler reviews can do it with just few clicks. To me, this way of treating spoiler reviews is alright. They already killed spoiler-based reviews by having them hidden by default on the review page despite creating a perfectly fine tag for them that read in bold red "Spoilers", but I guess that wasn't enough and they shouldn't even exist on the front page now. It's like they think the userbase can't read and has no cognitive control over their sight. No, because there's already a very visible tag warning you of spoilers. And you'll be hard-pressed to find a review that immediately, right off the bat drops a spoiler bombshell on you that's visible beyond the full "read more" section anyway. This is not a good excuse for completely killing the visibility of spoiler-based reviews. Of course you can make a few simple clicks to find them past the front page, but I can extrapolate that logic and argue why don't they just nuke the entire review system from the front page in order to promote true equality; then all reviews will be a few clicks a way lol. Why do you think there's a review rat race to begin with? Because most people don't check the review page to read more reviews. If you're going to implement a system under the guise of promoting "diverse perspectives and voices" that claims to give everyone a chance, why are you then discriminating against a certain type of review? |
TsutanaiFuun said: still no downvote or dislike option? why? i saw this thread and was feeling hopeful. i mean there's a like option so it makes sense to have a dislike too. MAL won't add downvotes because we live in a society made of people with the emotional strength made of snowflakes. So every reaction needs to be positive. |
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kinotabii said: fluffycow17 said: I've done research on the suggested sort, so here's my best guess on how it works. Each reaction is given a weight. A "Like it" could be worth 1 point, a "Love it" could be worth 2 points, and so on. They add up all of the reactions, and the review with the most points goes to the top of the list. I don't know the exact weights given to all of the reactions, but I believe that "Confusing" has a negative weight and that reactions like "Well-Written" are worth more than the "Like it" reaction. It's basically like Reddit's upvote/downvote system, but some upvotes are worth more than others. It might be more complicated that, but that's all I can tell for sure. This is what I initially assumed as well, but the new review system seems to suggest otherwise because for a lot of titles, I'm not seeing the most well-received reviews actually being promoted to the top like they should be. Take for example this front page: https://myanimelist.net/anime/53998/Bleach__Sennen_Kessen-hen_-_Ketsubetsu-tan The reviews here haven't shifted even once, and if you go to the review page and check all the reviews written, the most voted one outperforms the currently promoted "Recommended" review by every metric: More hearts, more thumbs up, more "Well-Written"s, less confusing emojis and laughing emojis. Yet it's not at the front. It should already be displayed for "Most Voted" anyway, but like I said, there hasn't been a single rotation. Which is also why I'm questioning whether this new review system they implemented is even working as intended/promised or not. The reason the reviews are static for that title is probably due to there only being 6 reviews, 4 of which are recommending the series and the current top one would be displayed under both the most voted and the suggested review. There is a more recent positive review however, so either the system isn't rotating because it's bugging out or it's simply incapable of individually shifting reviews and needs to do it as a batch. But yeah, it's dopey beyond repair how a better-written review in literally every way is being censored from the front page because it makes specific references to the narrative instead of vague statements typically associated with spoiler-free reviews. |
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kinotabii said: No, because there's already a very visible tag warning you of spoilers. And you'll be hard-pressed to find a review that immediately, right off the bat drops a spoiler bombshell on you that's visible beyond the full "read more" section anyway. This is not a good excuse for completely killing the visibility of spoiler-based reviews. I believe there are a few misconceptions about how spoiler reviews are handled by the new display logic, so I'd like to take a moment to clarify the behavior here:
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firefractal said: kinotabii said: No, because there's already a very visible tag warning you of spoilers. And you'll be hard-pressed to find a review that immediately, right off the bat drops a spoiler bombshell on you that's visible beyond the full "read more" section anyway. This is not a good excuse for completely killing the visibility of spoiler-based reviews. I believe there are a few misconceptions about how spoiler reviews are handled by the new display logic, so I'd like to take a moment to clarify the behavior here:
So spoiler-based reviews are effectively wiped off the radar. Gotcha. |
| On what planet is destroying competition within the review scene going to lead to a healthier/more productive review climate Do you just want it to stagnate and die so you don't have to put forth effort about things like bots and early posting or something |
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LordSozin said: That's why I stop writing any reviews. Most of the time review mods like gaussian removes the reviews that user seemed don't like or something.User-Name said: I'm the type of person who reads reviews both on here and on Anilist because I like to see what others think. Because, you know, I like anime and I want to see different perspectives. I like to think many people who write and read reviews are like me. They're passionate about what they are watching and reading. And I think the easiest way for people to navigate through reviews is to make things simple. That's why I stated that people aren't dumb and they'll look for different opinions. I acknowledge that chasing fame or clout--which sounds stupid but it does exist, especially on MAL--is here. But that doesn't deteriorate the fact that I SEE people vote on reviews that are outside of established ones. I think the reason people do this is because they want to see how the community thinks and feels. to be honest, i do not care much for MAL review system. i'm mostly making reviews for myself, and since MAL won't show them anyway, i'm mostly sharing it on my friends list. being popular was never my aim, since even showing up on the reviews section doesn't add much popularity or wahtsoever. but all those are actually the result of what MAL made me do. instead developing the whole review to more social network like, it's goin backward. It's fine if you don't care about the review system here, but you've to at least acknowledge that MAL is treating reviews like crap. Like they're totally neglecting the fact that there are hundreds upon hundreds of people who do engage in reviews. Being relatively active in reviews myself, I just find it disheartening to see, ig. |
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Adnash said: Bruh... That's why there's a big, red, bold ass SPOILER tag at the top of the review and most of the users also include in their review "CONTAINS SPOILERS SO READ AT YOUR OWN RISK" or something.kinotabii said: There are a lot of people who don't want to see spoilers or risk bumping into them by accident simply because they opened up a page belonging to a show or comic they are interested in. Those who are really interested in reading spoiler reviews can do it with just few clicks. To me, this way of treating spoiler reviews is alright. They already killed spoiler-based reviews by having them hidden by default on the review page despite creating a perfectly fine tag for them that read in bold red "Spoilers", but I guess that wasn't enough and they shouldn't even exist on the front page now. It's like they think the userbase can't read and has no cognitive control over their sight. What you've said is a really lame excuse. |
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kinotabii said: It's time to untick the spoiler box in every reviews huh...firefractal said: I believe there are a few misconceptions about how spoiler reviews are handled by the new display logic, so I'd like to take a moment to clarify the behavior here:
So spoiler-based reviews are effectively wiped off the radar. Gotcha. |
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| I think a future review system update should address the issues that the reviews have regarding spam and trolling by Ishinashi and other bad actors. I made a thread in suggestions about a potential solution: a spam/slur filter, and there was a decent discussion around it. I know you are a content admin and this would probably be out of your area, but please, if you can @firefractal, read through this thread and maybe see if a system similar to this (or a different system, I know fluffycow suggested a Discord bot that notifies the review mods of any reviews in my thread) to deal with this issue. I think the biggest problem with the review system as it stands is how easy it is to hijack the home page with flagrantly homophobic reviews or spammy reviews through constant posting. These reviews not only clog up the front page, but they clog up both the entire review page as well as the report queue. Here's a screenshot I took yesterday of what the expanded review page looked like. Spoiler-tagged because slurs. There's no way change can be made in a day because that would be impossible, but as long as the staff team discusses a potential solution privately, that would be enough for me. Attached below is the thread where I made my suggestion a few days ago. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2113074 |
DulonkkAug 24, 2023 8:34 PM
firefractal said: And the review page shows preliminary reviews by default while hiding spoiler reviews by default.this new logic does not completely remove spoiler reviews from the Details page. It gives spoiler reviews a similar priority level to Preliminary reviews. |
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Natsuki_SanJuan said: Chill, nothing wrong is happening to be that much excited. Anyway, it's not about Spoiler tagging, but about the default visibility of those reviews. That's what my post was about. You must've misunderstood it a little, but I can't blame you, since I see that it might have been a little confusing to people who didn't read earlier posts posted in this thread beforehand, since it indirectly addresses few issues pointed out earlier. My bad, apologies.Bruh... That's why there's a big, red, bold ass SPOILER tag at the top of the review and most of the users also include in their review "CONTAINS SPOILERS SO READ AT YOUR OWN RISK" or something. What you've said is a really lame excuse. Non-spoiler reviews should have priority over spoiler ones, and making it a reality in my opinion was a good decision. You can of course disagree, it's totally fine. We might have different opinions on spoiler policy. I just, even though I don't care about spoilers for most of the time, respect that other people might be way more sensitive about them, and - in example - may not want to be stressed about potential spoilers right in the first visible words of a review. You mentioned that most of the users who mark their reviews as Spoiler ones additionally warn about spoilers. That's true, I also did it in some of my reviews. However, majority doesn't equal entirety of people reviewing anime and manga. I saw myself reviews containing rather big spoilers in the beginning of 'em. They were marked as Spoiler, but what if someone saw them displayed on the front page, even if by accident? I feel this change won't be harmful for people who really want to check out spoiler reviews, and will be beneficial or at least neutral for people who want to avoid that kind of content. kinotabii said: We might see it differently, I mean from different perspectives. I feel it's not a bad change. I explained my point of view earlier in this post, but I'm sorry in advance that I didn't reply to you, as the person who had replied to me first. I didn't notice the notification until sending my post, lol. Also, @firefractal also mentioned some clarifications regarding the system, so you might check out this post.No, because there's already a very visible tag warning you of spoilers. And you'll be hard-pressed to find a review that immediately, right off the bat drops a spoiler bombshell on you that's visible beyond the full "read more" section anyway. This is not a good excuse for completely killing the visibility of spoiler-based reviews. kinotabii said: Well, you customize your profile panel in the Panel Settings. But anyway, that logic is not flawed per se. It's just one of possibilities to handle a feature present on MAL. What you mentioned is a fallacy that might start a quarrel till the end of time, because of how various arguments might be used against each other, but without reaching any conclusion.Of course you can make a few simple clicks to find them past the front page, but I can extrapolate that logic and argue why don't they just nuke the entire review system from the front page in order to promote true equality; then all reviews will be a few clicks a way lol. kinotabii said: I've been there long enough to notice that there is, indeed, a system favoring reviews that were posted the earliest. Heck, people who have been members on MAL shorter than I am could easily notice it. In the past, in the thread about emoji reactions update (here), few users pointed out how some reviewers began treating reviewing Japanese cartoons as a form of competetive sport, lol. Check out few posts written before or after this one to see by yourself how bizarre the whole reviewing culture used to be even months before the current update. That's why the update we are talking about will not worsen this situation, but rather improve it and make review distribution fairer for users that don't have stable "fanbase" ready to upvote their reviews, no matter what quality they represent. I know my reviews are far from perfect, but I saw a decent number of really well written, professional looking texts, that were at the bottom of the reviews section. Why? Simply because they did not have that much upvotes, due to, dunno, being posted months after the anime had finished airing.Why do you think there's a review rat race to begin with? Because most people don't check the review page to read more reviews. kinotabii said: Like I said, it's about perspective. To me, the new system is better. To someone else it might be inferior to how it was. Which person is right, and which is wrong? Neither. It's all up to MAL Staff to implement changes they see as necessary in a form they find as approriate. I probably will never say "hey, emoji reactions are actually really great!", but at the same time I can just move on and accept the fact that such system exists and most likely won't be changed anytime soon. Same goes with the current review system. You can share your thoughts and hope they will be someday turned into a reality (they probably won't, like almost all stuff from Suggestions board, lol), but at the end of a day it's better to just move on. Ranting won't change anything, same with polite feedback (if it's definitely against an update).If you're going to implement a system under the guise of promoting "diverse perspectives and voices" that claims to give everyone a chance, why are you then discriminating against a certain type of review? |
AdnashAug 24, 2023 10:27 PM
| The diverse voices thing is what I've been wishing for for years! I am so happy because that's exactly what I wanted (and also askes for in the forums a few times). I've not been happy about the review system for a good while, but this is a change I really approve of. I can see all the negativity about this in this thread, which is fine since I was expecting that there won't be that many fans of that system, but personally, it's a good change for me~ So thank you! |
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| Thx for that Several of my reviews were fair and square on the top because they had the most votes. Now all of them are down in the dirt All my hard work for FUCKING NOTHING!!!!!!! I guess the only top reviews from now on will be from the users who are friends with the review moderators? The smell of nepotism is foul |
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Ionliosite2 said: Mal just likes fucking with reviewers"where were u wen review die" "i was at house eating dorito when phone ring" "Review is kill" "no" Doesn't this make the vote system invalid? Like, why? The review system is already broken, why breaking it more and act as if it was fixed? |
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82926 said: Because if they add them the thumbs up and down will be abused(as a proof of that the confused emoji is already abused) either by bots (mal staff don't seem to care that much about increasing the security to reduce bots) or users who also create fake accounts just to overrate or hate on specific anime or manga . This is mal user base we are talking about , one of the most toxic anime communities on the Internet . Valve does something with mal similar and works fineAnother downgrade. Just remove useless emoji and leave thumbs up and down. Why do you avoid thumbs down? WHY? |
YubisoftAug 25, 2023 10:41 AM
BaronLukis said: The thing is, spoiler reviews are still there and can be easily accessed by all people interested in reading them. It's not like the whole idea of reviews containing spoilers, or reviews like that itself, has been scrapped. (...) That being said, maybe create 2 WAYS. Beucase thats what i think. Reviews have 2 sides. Double nature (ex-ante and ex-post). So thats why @Adnash i dont think your right. Spoiler-based reviews fullfill the EX-POST nature of the reviews. Just eliminating them, is not good, cause it dosent comprehend the double nature of the review system. Please, consider a double front page, one for reviews containing no spoiler and those who do content spoiler. Cause they final purpose of both is different. Explained here. BaronLukis said: Yeah, that's true. Vote brigading problem was neutralized some time ago by introducing the new system, so I feel fixing similar problem for reviews is also doable. I believe it wouldn't be harder to implement it than that algorithm for totting up scores and determining the final mean score for a show. Depending on approach, I can see it even as an easier task out of those two. Filtering out, aka marking as spam and preventing to be published, new reviews similar to already existing reviews in, let's say, 90% doesn't seem more complicated than programming an algorithm preventing mean users from actions related to score manipulation.What is clear is that the BOT & SPAM ACCOUNTS problem needs to be solved also, because its related to this issue. Haptism93 said: Same. It's a change I really wished to see myself as well. I lost hope after that weird emoji reaction system was introduced, so it was a really nice surprise to see actually a nice change that had been suggested by some users in the past. The diverse voices thing is what I've been wishing for for years! I am so happy because that's exactly what I wanted (and also askes for in the forums a few times). |
Dulonkk said: I think a future review system update should address the issues that the reviews have regarding spam and trolling by Ishinashi and other bad actors. The devs are acutely aware of this issue and are working towards a more robust solution. While spambot prevention methods are certainly out of my wheelhouse, I'd imagine that a spam/slur filter would not work in this particular case. A filter would provide temporary relief, but it'll ultimately be overcome by anyone persistent enough to change up their behavior patterns each time their content is thwarted by the filter. |
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firefractal said: The devs are acutely aware of this issue and are working towards a more robust solution. While spambot prevention methods are certainly out of my wheelhouse, I'd imagine that a spam/slur filter would not work in this particular case. A filter would provide temporary relief, but it'll ultimately be overcome by anyone persistent enough to change up their behavior patterns each time their content is thwarted by the filter. I'm honestly really happy to hear this news that the staff team is working on a solution. Whatever the solution is, I'm just happy to hear that the staff is working on making Ishinashi's trolling confined to the history books. I kind of felt bad reporting all of his reviews because it clogs up the report queue, but I feel bad even more for the review mods and the team as a whole having to constantly deal with his...tomfoolery. Thanks for letting us all know. |
| And still no option to dislike or downvote reviews |
| I like the new changes personally, it does seem more fair to show one positive, one negative and one 'neutral' opinion at once. |
| Is it possible to somehow add a definition for the reaction options? I've noticed that some people, for example, use "funny" to mock a review rather than defining it as funny. |
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MeguSae38 said: Yes, it does give a more varied perspective on the show with strong negative or a strong positive reviews. Plus, now we can finally see a variety of reviews and their ratios according to the estimates. Not to mention that now you don't have to worry and be nervous about timing in order for your review to get attention and ratings. But I am also afraid that those people who previously massively voted for the reviews they needed in order to bring them to the top (hyped shonens reviews often suffered from this), will now simply abuse the number of reviews with the desired rating than the quality and votes. It also confuses me a little that now there will always be positive reviews on top, which is critical for a show with a controversial rating, but at the moment this does not seem to be a big problem.I like the new changes personally, it does seem more fair to show one positive, one negative and one 'neutral' opinion at once. |
RobertBobertAug 26, 2023 1:54 AM
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| Crappy update. Reverse it ASAP, MAL! People want to see the top reviews, not some random ass review written by some random ass user, all for the sake of “diverse opinions and perspectives”, LMAOOO |
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LordSozin said: Yeah, fistbump in total agreement. MAL has fallen into coporate hands, and there's no backing out from garbage.User-Name said: question - is commenting here about the review section's updates really can change the mods mind? because i actually wanted to make my opinion on this, but if it won't effect, i won't waste my time writing lol i just would say that - i work pretty hard on my reviews, using my time and my brain. so why now that i'm checking anime pages i'm encountering some hot fans reviews or hot fans hater reviews, instead of those who really invest their time, like me, in them? I think you're highlighting the big problems with these review changes for the past year or so. These updates are solely driven from the eyes of trying to please everyone and solving a problem that's unsolvable without making stupid additions like emojis and reactions instead of just simple upvotes or downvotes. I think these updates just add more mess to what's already there. I mean, look at it. Reviews are out of order in terms of "reactions"; when refreshing the page, it shows the newest over the old ones that have been there for reasons more than just dislikeness. Why can't we just keep things simple? I don't get it. |
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topidoru said: Like these corporate fuckers ever gave a damn. They talk about "diversity" like they ever gave a shit.Quick suggestions: Start giving a few fucks about your community. For example, let the users decide how they want to see their bloody review page: 3 negative reviews on a page, here it is, 3 positive reviews on a page, not a problem. This is myanimelist, so I want to see myanimelist howeverthefuck I want it to be. But this is not myanimelist, it is some random idiot’s pointless whims to fuck everything up. Every fucking year some fuck screws everything up. Honestly, Xinil alone did a much better job listening to the community. Now MAL is just completely deaf. Quick suggestion n2, add suggestions to archive just like you did with CE. What is the point of that board? Feedback? LMAO. |
| I don't really have a problem with the reaction emoji thing since "confused" is now basically used as dislike. But the diversifying is straight up crap. You can't just force your opinion on people like that ffs. |
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| Please conceal preliminaries from the reviews page by default if you're going to keep it the same for spoilers. Some people want to read detailed breakdowns of a title (and it's almost impossible to write a substantial review for some of them without spoilering), but who's reading a preview for it once it's finished airing? Prelims are being featured on the front pages of completed titles for the mobile site as well. My thoughts to a T |
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| I came back from death to say that the rotation idea is weird as fuck. I know rat race is a problem but you want the best/most (informative/engaging) reviews on top. Democracy is flawed, but its better than picking a meth head as a president because he won the lottery, right? I think a solution can exist to enable discovery + healthy voting, but honestly I don't think the site cares enough about the potential of the reviews anyways as it wouldn't be solely changing logic lol |
| When mal mods go to the school of "balance opinions" Well at least now I can 100% find a review to laugh at always So good for me at least |
| Hottest Take Ever, fite me: Fairy Tail is better than Seiya, Bungou Stray and Hitman Reborn |
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