Kogetsu + senku vs scorpion + mantis

LuzNight said:
If it is in the context of one against the other, than without a doubt KogetsuSenku is better.

Caeless mentioned that scorpion is better because it has 2 scorpion but it is the opposite. Having a scorpion in each hand is a hindrance because it means you can't use shield or any other trigger (bullets, bagworm, etc.). Also, senku has better reach AND power than mantis.

Mantis is a great technique who's strenght resides in surprise attack. It is great for those who already fight with 2 scorpions but shouldn't be considered an equivalent/substitute of senku.

Caeless said:


If this were the case, then everyone in Border would just use Kogetsu and Senku, but that's not the case. Many border agents use Scorpion. In fact, Jin created Scorpion so that he could beat Tachikawa who uses Kogetsu. At a minimum - Kogetsu vs Scorpion are equal.

Additionally, scorpion is so flexible that it's easy to dismiss. It can also be used as a bandage.

Lastly, Mantis isn't just used for surprise attacks. It's Kage's primary means of attack.

What it really comes down to is - Is having Senku as an optional Trigger, and taking up a second trigger slot, more valuable than having a second scorpion?

I argue that no, it's not. Granted, if that were the case, anyone who uses Kogetsu, would use Scorpion as well, instead of Senku, but they don't, so I'm sure it can be argued either way. I mean, the Top attacker uses Kogetsu + Senku. The second attacker uses Double Scorpion. I think that the flexibility of Scorpion makes it the better weapon overall, but again, it's debatable.

Caltsio said:
thanks for your both opinion. really appreciate it

just realize that most scorpion user using it on both side on their trigger set except kitora who only put it on her weaker-hand trigger slot and almost all of them is an agility/speed type attacker when kogetsu user mostly a swordsman style (CMIIW).

i still don't know which one between mantis or senku which one of them has a longer range.

if i remember correctly, when the 1st time yuma try using mantis, he run out of trion and his mantis didn't reach ninomiya (CMIIW). does mantis range based on your trion? i mean if someone like chika use mantis technique, is it has a longer range than the other with lower trion capacity?

meanwhile i still don't know how long senku's range (is it has a range limit or not). i only remember shinoda use senku when fighting enedora which inside a room with limited space.

Caeless said:

In one of the chapters during the recent Rank War vs Ikoma Squad, they said that Senku's range is based off of your activation time. The faster the activation time, the longer the range.

The highest range is 40 meters (Ikoma), for most other attacks, is 15 meters.

I would say that, based on what we've seem, mantis is probably on par with the 15 meter range, but possibly shorter.

I'm not sure if Trion would effect range either.

KaiserToshiki said:
@Botato Making scorpion too thin would make it break, due to its low durability. So it needs a balance of both.