Maz said: Really just boils down to how well people can argue their position. I think a lot of problems boil down to this; people who aren't good at critiquing and expressing their opinion tar everyone with a bad name. So many problems would be solved if people took a little more time into explaining the whys and hows. yea seems really fake to me.... then again, too many things seem fake to me..... all i can think when i see that shit is "you fuckin masochist" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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Mamster-P said: no one said you did anything wrong, the problem with these things is that they DO affect people. you can't pretend with all the insecurity we see on this site, that people are not affected by other peoples comments, trolling, shitposting or not So people having mean scores below 4 affect people. If criticizing shows affects people it's their own fault for being so sensitive and spineless.. lets take the ecchi thing for example, since you know, i never seem to shut up about it, or at least, thats all ppl pay attention to me not shutting up about. anyway NO ONE can deny that theres MANY MANY people out there and on this site who are afraid of what others will think of them if they find out that they like ecchi. correct? well guess what... its more important to me that the ecchi fans see someone who'll willing to to fight against the hate it gets more so than it is to change anyone's mind, which was never my goal Again. Everyone has to stand up for themselves. Besides, haven't you seen users like JustALEX and Haxxspetten? No one hates on them. No one hates fans of echchi, the people that do are a vocal minority. But that's not the point here. The point is that how does someone pointing out flaws about a show affect you guys? Isn't that what we're talking about here? ive been told many times that i've made people feel better about the things they like in anime, as im obviously not someone who allows themselves to be walked all over. i don't think anyone truly wants to be walked all over. well if i can help ppls self esteem even just a little bit, im going to keep doing it no matter how much backlash i get from ppl with opposing viewpoints By doing what? Generalizing and attacking them? Look, we're not idiots, whatever we're doing it, we're doing it for our own reason. We do it because we enjoy it. We want to be left alone just the way you guys do, but the only difference is calling 'XX' show bad and criticizing it doesn't affect anybody. What does affect people is saying something like "I don't understand why people would watch 'YY', anyone who watches this shit is retarded". |
Gesu- said: So people having mean scores below 4 affect people. If criticizing shows affects people it's their own fault for being so sensitive and spineless.. theres plenty of people who avoid shows due to the score or a non harsh review they read, i even know ppl irl who've done that Gesu- said: Again. Everyone has to stand up for themselves. Besides, haven't you seen users like JustALEX and Haxxspetten? No one hates on them. No one hates fans of echchi, the people that do are a vocal minority. But that's not the point here. The point is that how does someone pointing out flaws about a show affect you guys? Isn't that what we're talking about here? im pretty damn sure ive seen ppl hate on my boi @JustALEX @Haxxspetten is an ecchi fraud ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) yes, theyre the vocal minority, BUT theyre also the most common type of hater, so you know, especially as a fan.... after you've seen it 446435q3642435451451535151451541 times, everywhere you go anime related, you might get annoyed Gesu- said: By doing what? Generalizing and attacking them? Look, we're not idiots, whatever we're doing it, we're doing it for our own reason. We do it because we enjoy it. We want to be left alone just the way you guys do, but the only difference is calling 'XX' show bad and criticizing it doesn't affect anybody. What does affect people is saying something like "I don't understand why people would watch 'YY', anyone who watches this shit is retarded". i only attack people who i feel attack first yes, but like i said before, theres nothing i say that is not in response to actions or words ive seen from someone else. so if i make an accusation again someone, its because ive seen its affects and yes, theres been several ppl who have told me things like "thank you for what you do, im so tired of seeing this shit over and over" you're not my problem so i don't understand why you always think im targeting you. i know you don't hate ecchi, and i know you're a more critical watcher, that is fine so are many other ppl on this site who im not talking to with my responses |
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KonaKoffee said: flannan said: 1) It's fine enough argument, in my opinion. I'm not going to give up liking anime, and I'm not going to give up being russian. This is part of who I am. I do not expect non-anime-fans to appreciate [insert anime name here], and I do not expect americans to appreciate smetana. But both are missing out on good things. 2) Similarly, just because MAL doesn't stop users from having an average rating below 5, it does not mean it's not considered wrong. umm...we...you see muh man... There is a difference between having the feeling of never wanting to give up something you love, and then never even having that as an option. And no, not a "but anime is a part of me" type of option, I am speaking biologically here... I don't think people have the option to voluntarily start disliking something they like. Anyway, it's not about that. It's about the fact that non-anime-fans can't be expected to be able to meaningfully not like an anime. KonaKoffee said: Who decides what score is wrong? You don't, I don't, and nobody else does. We can only decide for ourselves, so you need to stop with this idea that opinions and taste cannot be that flexible. I don't understand what you meant to say here. zal said: It was mentioned an example by maz, there are people that use only 1 and 2 for bad shows and 3 for average so low scores doesn't necessarily mean what you are implying. Indeed, that's one possible explanation I did not take into account. I still think that's not using MAL rating system right. Fortunately, MAL is quite resistant to whatever people are doing with it. Note that I used a description ("bad or worse"), not a number, to indicate I was assuming the rating scale was used more-or-less like it's marked. zal said: flannan said: It has been said countless times that the rating is subjective and everyone should be free to rate however they want. Wit this mentality you excuse elitist that criticize whoever gives a 10 to show that for them are "unworthy". Low or high mean score, if you judge somebody else's scores just based on the numbers you are being an elitist.They're definitely using the MAL scale incorrectly. The scale says "good" is 7. A typical anime is good. That's why I watch anime, and not my country's shitty films. I've yet to see people properly discussing the difference between scoring anime based only on other anime, or based on all works of fiction they have encountered before. Can somebody who thinks most anime are "bad" or worse be considered an anime fan? I don't think so. People who aren't anime fans don't get the freedom to dislike anime. Just like people who aren't of african descent aren't allowed to use the N-word. Nah, it makes sense. People should not care, and you should stop trying to make them care. Especially by abusing them for their choice in anime. If they have reasons for scoring so low what is the problem, who are you to say that such person is not an anime fan? Who are you to say that those scores are not right? At times you make such hypocritecal comments... 1) Please note that I was explaining another person's point of view here. I do not necessarily agree with it. Though I tend to agree with Mamster-P on most things. Including this one. 2) at no point I am abusing others for their choice in anime. We are discussing our scoring systems and anime-watching habits here. I think that if a MAL user has an average rating of 4 or less, he/she is doing something wrong. Either using a rating system in a way contrary to the way it's marked, or choosing anime for watching badly, or watching anime they don't like, or watching anime in the first place. |
Gesu- said: Pretty sure that's more about us not being prejudiced against any anime genre rather than about ecchi specificallylets take the ecchi thing for example, since you know, i never seem to shut up about it, or at least, thats all ppl pay attention to me not shutting up about. anyway NO ONE can deny that theres MANY MANY people out there and on this site who are afraid of what others will think of them if they find out that they like ecchi. correct? well guess what... its more important to me that the ecchi fans see someone who'll willing to to fight against the hate it gets more so than it is to change anyone's mind, which was never my goal Again. Everyone has to stand up for themselves. Besides, haven't you seen users like JustALEX and Haxxspetten? No one hates on them. No one hates fans of echchi, the people that do are a vocal minority. But if you think I don't get any haters at all then I'm sorry to disappoint you (though that tends to be more about lolis than anything else) Alex gets some hate for always stirring up debates about SJWs and feminism whenever possible lol |
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HaXXspetten said: Gesu- said: Pretty sure that's more about us not being prejudiced against any anime genre rather than about ecchi specificallyAgain. Everyone has to stand up for themselves. Besides, haven't you seen users like JustALEX and Haxxspetten? No one hates on them. No one hates fans of echchi, the people that do are a vocal minority. But if you think I don't get any haters at all then I'm sorry to disappoint you (though that tends to be more about lolis than anything else) Alex gets some hate for always stirring up debates about SJWs and feminism whenever possible lol Oh yeah, he gets hate for completely different reasons. But yeah, good for you for not being prejudiced I guess. If you don't understand someone but they don't harm you in any way it's better to just leave them alone.. |
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| @kamisama751 the elitist thing is just bait, i know most ppl are not elitists, and i know you're not one, ok? lol im not gonna lie, talking to others about anime for me is sometimes like "guh... why am i doing this?" but when you really love something and you find other people who love it, its kind of hard to avoid. but hey, as if said before, all the bitching ive done about other ppls bitches has helped me find relatable people, which is always a good outcome @Gesu- come on man, im in NO WAY saying people can't do w/e they want. im just spouting my opinion, all im saying is i don't personally understand. @KonaKoffee <3 i know im extremely annoying. but as you know, im only annoying in response to being constantly annoyed lol im just a "fight fire with fire" person... everyone is entitled to their opinion.... well unfortunately for this site, that includes people like me lol if people are free to criticize anime for w/e reason they want, then people are free to criticize them for criticizing anime however THEY want....... lol a complainers right means to complain means my right complain about them complaining xD |
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yea you're right giving haters attention only opens up more room for masochism, but still i have my said reasons. i mean i don't go "searching" for these things, i just simply respond when i see them, so i consider it an exception LMAO, i may have to 2nd this xD |
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Quazar said: If they hated anime they wouldn't waste their time making a MAL (unless they are pathetic and have nothing better to do with their meaningless lives). So, no, if they have a mean of 4 they don't hate anime. Oh hi there Quaz, it's me, Moe ;) well I've seen some people who give just 1 anime a 10 while others a 1, so basically downvoting anything else than their favorite anime, Well I personally think that if they like just 1 anime while hate the others they're practically hate anime in general? dunno lol |
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HyperL said: Oh look! This thread has been up for a while, yet it has gone nowhere...And now there's some people shitposting nonsense... So in the words of one Filthy Frank...: IT'S TIME TO STAAAHP!!!....IT'S TIME TO STOP, OK?!...NO MORE! I am very sure @you knew something like this could happen when he posted it. We all know threads talking about low mean scores get derailed into casuals vs elitists. BUT NOOoooooooOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOOooo, that's not shitposting AT ALL. Talking in circles and just getting pissy over nothing? nope, that's a healthy debate right there! YAS GIRL! You said: well I've seen some people who give just 1 anime a 10 while others a 1, so basically downvoting anything else than their favorite anime, Well I personally think that if they like just 1 anime while hate the others they're practically hate anime in general? dunno lol I'm giving everything a 1 and calling it a day. YAY, now everyone can hate me instead of getting offended by everyone else's low scores. |
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KonaKoffee said: HyperL said: Oh look! This thread has been up for a while, yet it has gone nowhere...And now there's some people shitposting nonsense... So in the words of one Filthy Frank...: IT'S TIME TO STAAAHP!!!....IT'S TIME TO STOP, OK?!...NO MORE! I am very sure @you knew something like this could happen when he posted it. We all know threads talking about low mean scores get derailed into casuals vs elitists. BUT NOOoooooooOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOOooo, that's not shitposting AT ALL. Talking in circles and just getting pissy over nothing? nope, that's a healthy debate right there! YAS GIRL! You said: well I've seen some people who give just 1 anime a 10 while others a 1, so basically downvoting anything else than their favorite anime, Well I personally think that if they like just 1 anime while hate the others they're practically hate anime in general? dunno lol I'm giving everything a 1 and calling it a day. YAY, now everyone can hate me instead of getting offended by everyone else's low scores. Hey" having low mean score doesn't make you an elitist either lol You can have a 10 on SAO and Mayoiga while giving shows like LoGH, Mawaru Penguindrum, Aria, Ping Pong, NGE a 1/10 and have a below 4.00 mean score. |
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flannan said: I don't think you need to explain other people's opinion, explain yours. Maybe they are doing something that doesn't maximize their enjoyment or whatever but unless it is blind hate it is not wrong. Moreover the MAL score takes in account the average grade and weights the score accordingly so if all the shows are 1 their 1s have less impact than yours and mine 1s on the overall score.KonaKoffee said: umm...we...you see muh man... There is a difference between having the feeling of never wanting to give up something you love, and then never even having that as an option. And no, not a "but anime is a part of me" type of option, I am speaking biologically here... I don't think people have the option to voluntarily start disliking something they like. Anyway, it's not about that. It's about the fact that non-anime-fans can't be expected to be able to meaningfully not like an anime. KonaKoffee said: Who decides what score is wrong? You don't, I don't, and nobody else does. We can only decide for ourselves, so you need to stop with this idea that opinions and taste cannot be that flexible. I don't understand what you meant to say here. zal said: It was mentioned an example by maz, there are people that use only 1 and 2 for bad shows and 3 for average so low scores doesn't necessarily mean what you are implying. Indeed, that's one possible explanation I did not take into account. I still think that's not using MAL rating system right. Fortunately, MAL is quite resistant to whatever people are doing with it. Note that I used a description ("bad or worse"), not a number, to indicate I was assuming the rating scale was used more-or-less like it's marked. zal said: It has been said countless times that the rating is subjective and everyone should be free to rate however they want. Wit this mentality you excuse elitist that criticize whoever gives a 10 to show that for them are "unworthy". Low or high mean score, if you judge somebody else's scores just based on the numbers you are being an elitist. It was mentioned an example by maz, there are people that use only 1 and 2 for bad shows and 3 for average so low scores doesn't necessarily mean what you are implying. And even if somebody thinks that most anime are bad, until he likes some he can be considered an anime fan. The comparison at the end has more holes than a swiss cheese. You and some others in this thread are doing the same thing you say elitist do: abusing them for their choice in anime. If they have reasons for scoring so low what is the problem, who are you to say that such person is not an anime fan? Who are you to say that those scores are not right? At times you make such hypocritecal comments... 1) Please note that I was explaining another person's point of view here. I do not necessarily agree with it. Though I tend to agree with Mamster-P on most things. Including this one. 2) at no point I am abusing others for their choice in anime. We are discussing our scoring systems and anime-watching habits here. I think that if a MAL user has an average rating of 4 or less, he/she is doing something wrong. Either using a rating system in a way contrary to the way it's marked, or choosing anime for watching badly, or watching anime they don't like, or watching anime in the first place. |
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zal said: I don't think you need to explain other people's opinion, explain yours. That's a habit. Because I am occasionally translating stuff. zal said: Maybe they are doing something that doesn't maximize their enjoyment or whatever but unless it is blind hate it is not wrong. Maybe. But it's the topic of this discussion, isn't it? zal said: Moreover the MAL score takes in account the average grade and weights the score accordingly so if all the shows are 1 their 1s have less impact than yours and mine 1s on the overall score. That's the first time I've heard about it. But it sounds like a good idea. |
| Either they watch bad anime, or they are very difficult for them to like one, because they have too many expectations, and they should lower their standards Also, maybe anime is not for these kind of people. |
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tell that to all the assholes trying to say it did on the earlier pages...or on every single other thread on AD. People...these people on anime discussion, man... I swear to god you fucking people lol, this is why I shitpost..I cannot take majority of these threads seriously because people care more about score then they do ACTUALLY FUCKING DISCUSSING THE ANIME ITSELF. You guys want serious debates, but then say bull shit like "people with low mean scores are elitist!". Like how the fuck do you want me to respond to that seriously? Even if someone truly believes that deep down then it just makes me want to shitpost more haha |
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flannan said: zal said: I don't think you need to explain other people's opinion, explain yours. That's a habit. Because I am occasionally translating stuff. zal said: Maybe they are doing something that doesn't maximize their enjoyment or whatever but unless it is blind hate it is not wrong. Maybe. But it's the topic of this discussion, isn't it? That's the first time I've heard about it. But it sounds like a good idea.[/quote]Not really because having a low mean score is influenced by many factors, one of which can be blind hate. However generalizing and saying that everyone that have low mean score is because of hate is prejudicial. You said: Tell that to them thoughHey" having low mean score doesn't make you an elitist either lol You can have a 10 on SAO and Mayoiga while giving shows like LoGH, Mawaru Penguindrum, Aria, Ping Pong, NGE a 1/10 and have a below 4.00 mean score. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1527753&show=0#msg46691520 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1527753&show=0#msg46691540 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1527753&show=0#msg46691566 |
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You said: Anyways, there's some people who wanted the show they dislike got down in the top anime rank so they score it a 1 and also make other alt to rate it a 1. What do you think guys? THIS. i really hope the Mods, MAL can hadle that. i always wonder what MAL would do if many people were doing that, but i just can't seem to come up with a solution. it would be good for MAL and anime community if MAL could just erased those cancer, THOSE IMMATURE PEOPLE from this site |
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Tevens said: They already have a way to counter that with the weighted score. If an account has mostly 1 then their 1s will have less impact on the overall score than someone with a higher average score or so I remember reading it somewhere around the forums.You said: Anyways, there's some people who wanted the show they dislike got down in the top anime rank so they score it a 1 and also make other alt to rate it a 1. What do you think guys? THIS. i really hope the Mods, MAL can hadle that. i always wonder what MAL would do if many people were doing that, but i just can't seem to come up with a solution. it would be good for MAL and anime community if MAL could just erased those cancer from this site. |
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You said: Oh hi there Quaz, it's me, Moe ;) well I've seen some people who give just 1 anime a 10 while others a 1, so basically downvoting anything else than their favorite anime, Well I personally think that if they like just 1 anime while hate the others they're practically hate anime in general? dunno lol Oh wow hey Moe, what a strange place to run into you a forum on MAL. Not a bad topic I must say but I tried reading through the comments and nearly had a stroke because of the loss of brain cells. Anyways, the people who give anime 1 and 10 to rig the scores are stupid and think they're being cool by influencing the ratings on an anime website, way to go guys. They don't hate anime but they may hate themselves because of a lack of self esteem. I thought you meant just regular people who give low scores and are extremely critical and maybe spend too much time on bad anime which is why I said they wouldn't hate anime but I do also believe that if they truly hate anime they woudln't be on an anime focused website. |
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zal said: Tevens said: They already have a way to counter that with the weighted score. If an account has mostly 1 then their 1s will have less impact on the overall score than someone with a higher average score or so I remember reading it somewhere around the forums.THIS. i really hope the Mods, MAL can hadle that. i always wonder what MAL would do if many people were doing that, but i just can't seem to come up with a solution. it would be good for MAL and anime community if MAL could just erased those cancer from this site. thanks that it got solved :D now i don't have to worried anymore lol xD |
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MechaGuy said: No. Maybe they just watch a lot of bad anime. Exactly.. maybe that person loves certain things and isn't finding them in the majority of shows they watch. See: Sturgeon's Law |
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zal said: Bruh cause they don't like anything,either they are too retarded to enjoy something or they're elitists.JustALEX said: They're probably elitists who think giving anything higher than 6 is reserved for like 1 or 2 anime. kryptic2g said: How does a low mean score define someone as elitist? How does even hating on anime make someone elitist?Nah but they are elitists or as i like to call them ''special snowflakes''. |
kryptic2g said: Bruh cause they don't like anything,either they are too retarded to enjoy something or they're elitists. Good job OT: Ladies and gentlemen, you all wanted your very serious comments that are 100% no shitposting...HERE YOU GO! exactly what you fuckers asked for! yaassssss lol |
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kryptic2g said: You can't really determine that they don't like anything from just the average, some people could rate low even if they like a show a bit. Also scores have nothing to do with being an elitist.zal said: Bruh cause they don't like anything,either they are too retarded to enjoy something or they're elitists.How does a low mean score define someone as elitist? How does even hating on anime make someone elitist? |
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Valaskjalf said: No, they simply have good taste.,., How does mean score correlate with taste? |
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