| (This thread could be moved or locked) I recently finished evangelion MANGA, I didn't watch 95TV series since I didn't really like old animation. The problem is I didn't understand it at all. The story became awkward after Nagisa appearance until the end. So am I wrong to miss something or the story itself is the wrong one? |
| Well I definitely didn't get the anime ending, but why post specifically about the manga in an anime section? |
animefan8800 said: Oh sorry, I just usually post in this section. This section have many person to answer.Well I definitely didn't get the anime ending, but why post specifically about the manga in an anime section? |
| Well, a lot of it flew over my head. I had to read some explanations about it afterwards, but I've never been the best at understanding allegories and symbolism. I think a lot of people are like that, where if something isn't logically spelt out for them they can struggle to grasp it. |
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HiatusXHiatus said: animefan8800 said: Oh sorry, I just usually post in this section. This section have many person to answer.Well I definitely didn't get the anime ending, but why post specifically about the manga in an anime section? Ah, alright, not trying to sound mean or anything. I guess you probably would get more responses here. :) |
| Isn't that the point? There's a reason why they have the dementia tag on it. It's supposed to be hard to understand. I haven't seen it, but that's what I've heard (it's essentially on my eternal PTW list which means I'll likely never watch it). |
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Marnie said: When I see your profile I didn't see you finished watching it yet, 20/26 episode...Evangelion is an amazingly animated show. I think you're missing out on the show. |
| It's not as deep as people make it out to be. It's just supposed to be about overcoming depression |
| At this point it is more or less based on your own interpretation. I simply interpreted it as about being broken people in a broken society, and the baggage that comes along with that. |
| The ending was just a psychoanalysis of Shinji; there wasn't any plot-relevance to it. |
| that's unusual..... well, you still seem sane enough, so i suggest watching the rebuild movies |
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meeKlynoT said: Yeah, I might have an answer to this. Neon Genesis Evangelion was originally an anime. It was, unlike many anime, not based on a pre-existing manga. Instead, it was an anime turned into a manga. Now, I have not read the manga version of Evangelion, but having watched the series and the film conclusion, it is not easy to understand even as an anime. Evangelion's manga had like 4 chapters before the anime aired. And the author of the manga designed the characters for the anime (which is why the art in both mediums are so similar). I always thought the anime took its idea from the manga and started to go a different path about halfway through. It's pretty common to see older anime do that, they did it in Full Moon wo Sagashite. Unless, it's the case where a person had an idea and they decided to make both and anime and a manga from it at the same time. In which the manga came first because anime take a longer time to make. And the director of the anime, as well as the author of the manga decide to make the stories in the two mediums relatively similar, but then split parts after some time. I think they did that with Cute High Earth Defense Club Love! - OT: I'm currently reading Evangelion's manga and I honestly think that it's easier to understand than the anime... the anime has a lot of plot holes and the manga covers most of that up. If you're confused reading the manga then good luck with the anime, I suppose. Also: romagia said: that's unusual..... well, you still seem sane enough, so i suggest watching the rebuild movies +1. If you've already read the manga and don't want to watch the old TV Shows, then watch these movies. Though a lot of events are taken out or changed, the main plot is still there and it's pretty enjoyable. The art isn't old as fuck either lol. But weird shit happens in the 3rd movie (pretty much completely diverges from the manga, except for the Kaworu part) so be cautious. |
ixaaJun 3, 2016 1:42 AM
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TheRefractingOne said: This is quite "make sense" answer, if that so, yeah it is pretentious.The ending was just a psychoanalysis of Shinji; there wasn't any plot-relevance to it. |
HiatusXHiatus said: The last chapter released a week after the original series ended delves far deeper into existentialism and the cruelty of the circle of life than the original post-modern social commentary ever did. It is a beautiful thing to behold.TheRefractingOne said: This is quite "make sense" answer, if that so, yeah it is pretentious.The ending was just a psychoanalysis of Shinji; there wasn't any plot-relevance to it. With only two characters present, Shinji and Kaoru, Hideaki Anno (the creator) can deliver a highly complex psycho-analysis of these five-dimensional characters. Shinji's tragic past, coupled with his incredible love and reliance on Kaoru, makes for an amazing character, no, PERSON, that transcends the medium and becomes a real, human being. Shinji's denial of Kaoru's wish to start the instrumentality, that we saw in the earlier episodes, have deeply scarred Shinji and makes him question if Kaoru does truly love him |
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| THIS COMMENT CONTAINS TOO MANY SPOILERS OF NGE AND END OF EVANGELION Note: if you don't agree with me that is perfectly fine. I know how controversial this topic is. I looked up, researched a lot about Evangelion. I still don't know if my point is wrong or right in this regard, so please bare with me. Well I consider myself a fairly intelligent being, and personally Evangelion made me so mad, that words can't describe. (Also most of my friends from the anime community thinks the same about Evangelion, so I think we have a point there) So first of all what is this anime?
So let's dig deeper. Because I was desperate to find something that was good in the show, after watching it.
Now I conclude my comment with my opinion about these topics. (note that I really like symbolism in literature, poems etc. so I basically got most of it during the watching phase, and I gathered the rest during the time I was searching for my answers) Evangelion started off right with a great setting, some good characters, good fights bearable depression level of Shinji, some great interactions with Katsuragi and Gendo. Rei was the shining star for me when she slapped Shinji, and we got some perspective of her motives. But then.... All crumbles because they wanted more. They wanted so much that every genius part fell apart by the perssure of another genius part. And as the show was getting to the ending every single character, the world saving part, the mystery behind Adam, and the Angels were too much. The show ended with disapontment for most. Note again: if you don't agree with me that is perfectly fine. I know how controversial this topic is. I looked up, researched a lot about Evangelion. I still don't know if my point is wrong or right in this regard, so please bare with me. PS: I know that some people fabricated some behíd the scene symbolic meaning to it, but it was confirmed by none other than Hideki Anno that Evangelion was never ment to fulfill those theories. |
ixaa said: Which one should I watch, I already download End of Evangelion and 3rd movie (you can't redo), should I watch death & rebirth too ?romagia said: that's unusual..... well, you still seem sane enough, so i suggest watching the rebuild movies +1. If you've already read the manga and don't want to watch the old TV Shows, then watch these movies. Though a lot of events are taken out or changed, the main plot is still there and it's pretty enjoyable. The art isn't old as fuck either lol. But weird shit happens in the 3rd movie (pretty much completely diverges from the manga, except for the Kaworu part) so be cautious. romagia said: Yeah if I see it on character perspective it's quite good point but I see it on more story perspective, so I didn't really notice this.HiatusXHiatus said: The last chapter released a week after the original series ended delves far deeper into existentialism and the cruelty of the circle of life than the original post-modern social commentary ever did. It is a beautiful thing to behold.This is quite "make sense" answer, if that so, yeah it is pretentious. With only two characters present, Shinji and Kaoru, Hideaki Anno (the creator) can deliver a highly complex psycho-analysis of these five-dimensional characters. Shinji's tragic past, coupled with his incredible love and reliance on Kaoru, makes for an amazing character, no, PERSON, that transcends the medium and becomes a real, human being. Shinji's denial of Kaoru's wish to start the instrumentality, that we saw in the earlier episodes, have deeply scarred Shinji and makes him question if Kaoru does truly love him |
| Well, I finished reading it several months ago, and thanks to my horrendous memory, I don't really recall all too much of it, other than it had a lot of similarities with the show, but also some differences. For the most part, it all made sense to me, so, while I can't speak for whether or not it's 'normal' to not get it, I thought it was pretty straightforward. Only the bit at the very end with didn't make much sense to me, but that was because it just seemed out of place. I don't know, it was probably just an intro into the Rebuilds. |
HiatusXHiatus said: ]Which one should I watch, I already download End of Evangelion and 3rd movie (you can't redo), should I watch death & rebirth too ? Well, Death & Rebirth is basically a summarised version of the show for the first half (Death), and the second half (Rebirth) is the first half of End of Eva. So I'd recommend watching the show completely and then End, or just watch Death & Rebirth + the latter half of End (Note: I have not actually seen Death & Rebirth so I don't know how good it is, I only know that its a recap and a bit of End). As for the Rebuilds, my opinion is that they are inferior to the original series (I've only seen 1.0 and 2.0). I'd recommend watching 1.0 seeing as its extremely similar to the first 6 eps of the show, but then if you'd watch the show, the art quality will drop sharply. On the flip-side I do feel that some of the changes in 2.0 are for the worse. But if you've already got 3.0, might as well just go full Rebuild if you want. |
| It usually takes to viewings of the show to fully understand the show. |
DerpCat said: HiatusXHiatus said: ]Which one should I watch, I already download End of Evangelion and 3rd movie (you can't redo), should I watch death & rebirth too ? Well, Death & Rebirth is basically a summarised version of the show for the first half (Death), and the second half (Rebirth) is the first half of End of Eva. So I'd recommend watching the show completely and then End, or just watch Death & Rebirth + the latter half of End (Note: I have not actually seen Death & Rebirth so I don't know how good it is, I only know that its a recap and a bit of End). As for the Rebuilds, my opinion is that they are inferior to the original series (I've only seen 1.0 and 2.0). I'd recommend watching 1.0 seeing as its extremely similar to the first 6 eps of the show, but then if you'd watch the show, the art quality will drop sharply. On the flip-side I do feel that some of the changes in 2.0 are for the worse. But if you've already got 3.0, might as well just go full Rebuild if you want. Oh I just realized that I already watch the rebuilds movie long time ago far before reading the manga, only 1.0 and 2.0 though (you can see them in my list). The story is different than the main, expecially the memorable dummy system scene. |
| Its just a total mind fuck. You should watch the anime since its the original. I always feel that if its an original anime then I should stay clear of the manga versions all together. They tend to change things in the story. You should seriously watch the anime as there will most likely be more details and its just how its supposed to be experienced. The ending is mostly Shinji's mind going kapoot! Kaboom! Kabam! BOOM! The Evanglion Movie is like whats going on OUTSIDE if his head and of course ends with much more mind fucks to leave you confused. Edit: I just saw a review for the manga. I guess the manga does show more detail. I might give it a go lol |
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| If you understood NGE, you're lying. |
| No You just got trolled without realizing it, just like everybody else who didn't like it |
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| It was fairly obvious for me but it's normal for people to not understand it. I believe Hideaki Anno even got death threads for making the ending so incomprehensible (correct me if I'm wrong) so you're not alone. |
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| I want to say that i understand the ending, but the truth is, i really don't. At least some people are on the same boat as you. |
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| Isn't the eva manga pretty bad- manga adaptations generally have a pretty bad reputation? Also the eva tv show is a visual masterpeice which some amazing mech animation- go watch it ;). |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
black1blade said: How do you find that reputation? If you look at the rating and reviews, manga is better than anime actually.Isn't the eva manga pretty bad- manga adaptations generally have a pretty bad reputation? Also the eva tv show is a visual masterpeice which some amazing mech animation- go watch it ;). |
| yeah that anime was too deep but after i watched this video , i understand it better |
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HiatusXHiatus said: black1blade said: How do you find that reputation? If you look at the rating and reviews, manga is better than anime actually.Isn't the eva manga pretty bad- manga adaptations generally have a pretty bad reputation? Also the eva tv show is a visual masterpeice which some amazing mech animation- go watch it ;). Manga adaptations of anime original shows. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
tragedydesu said: Hahaha, this is epicyeah that anime was too deep but after i watched this video , i understand it better black1blade said: You can't generalize things you know...HiatusXHiatus said: How do you find that reputation? If you look at the rating and reviews, manga is better than anime actually. Manga adaptations of anime original shows. Okay I'm done for today. |
black1blade said: HiatusXHiatus said: How do you find that reputation? If you look at the rating and reviews, manga is better than anime actually. Manga adaptations of anime original shows. I thought it was pretty good. There were certain aspects that I thought it actually did better than the show, possibly due to the time constraints that the show which the manga didn't. Honestly, even considering the changes that I thought were negative, I really wouldn't say that it was ever bad. |
holysauron said: It was fairly obvious for me but it's normal for people to not understand it. I believe Hideaki Anno even got death threads for making the ending so incomprehensible (correct me if I'm wrong) so you're not alone. If it was vairly obvious for you , could you explain it for us ? |
| "This is my father's crime against me, which I myself committed against none" Al-ma'arri |
| Pray to Tabris so he may enlighten you with the truth. Kidding. Yeah the ending is hard to understand. (I'm re-watching it now) My personal interpretation is that don't let prepubescent 'broken' teenagers pilot beings that transcend even human logic and understanding. #KaworuIStheMAN. On another note, I'm not sure if this will evoke any kind of discussion. |
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| Oh yes I get to post my favourite pic again! Although I think you should watch the series if you want to understand it better, or at least, watch the movie End of Evangelion, which provides a better sense of closure to the series (whilst being a middle finger to fans lol). |
hisokathebutcher said: holysauron said: It was fairly obvious for me but it's normal for people to not understand it. I believe Hideaki Anno even got death threads for making the ending so incomprehensible (correct me if I'm wrong) so you're not alone. If it was vairly obvious for you , could you explain it for us ? Well, you should consider what kind of person Shinji is. Throughout the series it becomes pretty obvious that he suffers from depression given his behavior. It's especially blatant in the second half of the series. Now I could easily recognize this because I recognize the symptoms from my own stepfather who is battling depression at this exact moment, but I think this is something most people would have found out by now. now this is just how I see it. I haven't seen End Of Evangelion yet and I don't want myself to get spoiled so maybe I'm wrong. |
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holysauron said: Well, you should consider what kind of person Shinji is. Throughout the series it becomes pretty obvious that he suffers from depression given his behavior. It's especially blatant in the second half of the series. Now I could easily recognize this because I recognize the symptoms from my own stepfather who is battling depression at this exact moment, but I think this is something most people would have found out by now. now this is just how I see it. I haven't seen End Of Evangelion yet and I don't want myself to get spoiled so maybe I'm wrong. Thanks mate , that does make sense , though my problem is that there was no reason to use religous symboles and shit It just feel they wanted to make the series more intersting and that cause it to feel like a fucking limbo Anyway i didnt like it lol haven't even finished it ,. |
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hisokathebutcher said: holysauron said: Well, you should consider what kind of person Shinji is. Throughout the series it becomes pretty obvious that he suffers from depression given his behavior. It's especially blatant in the second half of the series. Now I could easily recognize this because I recognize the symptoms from my own stepfather who is battling depression at this exact moment, but I think this is something most people would have found out by now. now this is just how I see it. I haven't seen End Of Evangelion yet and I don't want myself to get spoiled so maybe I'm wrong. Thanks mate , that does make sense , though my problem is that there was no reason to use religous symboles and shit It just feel they wanted to make the series more intersting and that cause it to feel like a fucking limbo Anyway i didnt like it lol haven't even finished it ,. The religious stuff was only there because Anno thought it was cool. He even said people shouldn't read too much into it. Funny enough that's actually one of the things I knew before starting the series but went completely over my head while watching it except for the crosses. It was only after looking at the TV Tropes page I noticed how much of I missed. |
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| Yeah it is, the Anime tells the story in a convoluted fashion. The manga explains everything better though |
| Personally, I interpreted as overcoming anxiety, depression, and self hate. |
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