| Spoilers for those who have only seen the anime or haven't read the fifth visual novel yet. Do not read through this thread if you don't want to be spoiled! Since the thread about the fifth VN in the Anime forum got locked, I guess I could start one here in the club instead. The English patch is out and you can download it from Witch Hunt's website. Just make sure you have the game itself first. I haven't got the chance to download it myself, since my computer is messed up for the moment. But I've seen through it all in Japanese, read in forums and so on. Now, what did you guys think of the first part of Chiru? |
| i bought it through an importer and downloaded the patch, im restlestly waiting for it and i wont even get it for another 2 days atleast D: |
Lith said: i bought it through an importer and downloaded the patch, im restlestly waiting for it and i wont even get it for another 2 days atleast D: It will be worth the wait though. For me it took one week to arrive D: |
| I am still only at the beginning. But knowing that Natsuhi and the servants all knew Kinzo was dead the whole time, but were able to act as though he wasn't, makes them all more suspicious to me. I thought it was interesting how Lambda and Bern hijacked the game too. |
Sasu-neko said: i still havent finished ep 4 yet D: i actually bought it to coincide with the time (roughly) that i finish ep 4 :3Lith said: i bought it through an importer and downloaded the patch, im restlestly waiting for it and i wont even get it for another 2 days atleast D: It will be worth the wait though. For me it took one week to arrive D: ive been slow with it because i havent had much time to read it what with christmas and stuff, but i know what happens (generally) because of the anime so i want to get past ep 4 asap and start ep 5 |
Lith said: ive been slow with it because i havent had much time to read it what with christmas and stuff, but i know what happens (generally) because of the anime so i want to get past ep 4 asap and start ep 5 The anime pretty sums up the whole EP4, except for the most important parts. Like when Ange is looking for clues and the battle between Beatrice and Battler in the end. The anime cut a lot of red and blue text. |
Sasu-neko said: Lith said: ive been slow with it because i havent had much time to read it what with christmas and stuff, but i know what happens (generally) because of the anime so i want to get past ep 4 asap and start ep 5 The anime pretty sums up the whole EP4, except for the most important parts. Like when Ange is looking for clues and the battle between Beatrice and Battler in the end. The anime cut a lot of red and blue text. The anime cut out all the red in the ???? and that was really important too... |
| Episode 5 was amazing. Episode 6 is going to be so good. Battler is a baller. |
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| THIS WAS ONE FREAKIN EPIC READ. Yes the caps are necessary. Battler was fuckin pwnsome also I've developed a major liking for Dlanor along with intense hate for Erika =_= Time to read again before making theories properly |
Darklight0303 said: THIS WAS ONE FREAKIN EPIC READ. Yes the caps are necessary. Battler was fuckin pwnsome also I've developed a major liking for Dlanor along with intense hate for Erika =_= Time to read again before making theories properly Yes, Dlanor is aweosme! And Erika is... not so awesome.. |
| I loved how much more human she acted outside of the game the most. |
| Is the Beatrice that is on Rokkenjima during the game a piece? Because it is not the same Beatrice as the one in the meta-world, right...? |
GarLogan78 said: Is the Beatrice that is on Rokkenjima during the game a piece? Because it is not the same Beatrice as the one in the meta-world, right...? I'm not sure but, yeah, I think she's the piece - unless I've missed something. |
| As far as I can tell yes that Beato is Piece\Beato |
| This may be explained later in the game but I am curious. Bern said she 'placed herself' in the game. Is Erika Bernkastal? Or Bern if she were a human? Or just a piece of Bern's, like Ange...? |
| She repeatedly calls Erika her double and her piece. Not sure if that's enough to draw that connection however it's something to think about. |
| Yeah, Erika is her double, her representative in the board. Erika also calls her 'My master'. First I liked the new piece, but she loses her bright. Well, does anyone agree that to solve the epitath we're probably supposed to know japanese? |
Yuuh said: Yeah, Erika is her double, her representative in the board. Erika also calls her 'My master'. First I liked the new piece, but she loses her bright. Well, does anyone agree that to solve the epitath we're probably supposed to know japanese? Yeah, Japanese knowledge is important. Half of solving it is about characters and the specific way things are written. Also, does anyone else notice how in this game there are a lot of sprites where the character has one eye open and the other closed/half closed? I just thought it looked funny... |
Gar_LoganDec 27, 2009 9:58 PM
| R07's sprites always look funny. :> But no, I didn't find anything strange about them. If anything Dlanor's "crazy" face was the most hilarious and strange looking. And somewhat frightening as well. That was an amazing read. I enjoyed Erika's character being fleshed out from somewhat eccentric to downright despicable. She's also somewhat pitiable due to Bern being well...guess there's a reason she's called Trollkastel. Despite being anti-fantasy or as the story now wants to nit-pick with, pro-mystery, I found myself completely rooting for Beato this time around. Might have also been influenced by the fact that Battler was all over the place as well. The scene where he catches her in his arms is just :PURE FANBOY MOMENT: And Natsuhi, poor Natsuhi. I've never paid too much attention to her but her role in this episode was beyond tragic. Did anyone else find themselves unconsciously reading it with their anime voices playing in their heads? ;_; I don't even know what I was thinking. I also found myself slapping Itou Shizuka's Wilhelmina voice on Dlanor. The ??? was absolutely amazing. I didn't think much could top Episode 4's tea party but watching Erika getting assaulted by all of Beato's furniture while dreamenddischarger played made me feel so good. Great that I got to hear it in action again, especially after the flop that was ep26, right DEEN? And yet somehow, even after DEEN's disastrous adaptation, I kind of want to see all of this animated. Definitely with a different studio however. If AIC does well enough with Ookami Kakushi... And to close, a rather amusing screenshot |
30 US dollars is truly a deal, I would pay many times that for the Stakes ;_;Xjellocross said: And to close, a rather amusing screenshot Not if I out bid you ^^ |
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| You know episode 5 made me suspect Kyrie even more. We never saw WHO she took Rudolf to see before they made their plan to force money out of Krauss. She seemed oddly wary of resorting to those people whoever they are. @,@ |
Darklight0303Dec 28, 2009 9:37 AM
| Why didn't I cry? I was certain I'd cry. Beato dies and I do not shed a tear. What's wrong with me? Is it because I'm certain she'll be back? What if she isn't going to be? ;_; Trollkastel looks benign in comparison. I was certain I'd hate Erika, but I didn't. She has that intellectual rapist moe going on, in a pathetic way. Everyone hates her, and all she wants is to fuck with people's heads and be loved by her mother, that's adorable. Isn't it? I'd almost even forgive her for the kfdm said: Xjellocross said: And to close, a rather amusing screenshot Not if I out bid you ^^ Heck I'd give 30 bucks for Belphe alone. Seven for the price of one is too good to be true. |
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| Bern REALLY climbed on my most hated list. I mean every time she popped up she'd go up a step more . She's already passed Rosa in my list and that's quite the feat >_> |
| Wow, that was great :D ???? was epic! Yeah Bern is a bitch. I think I really hate her. The same goes for Erika. At first I liked her but now... The Battler/Kinzo combination was great ^^ "Useless!" "Yeah, it's all useless!" Battler's theory about himself is really interesting |
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| that theory contradicts Virgilia's RED. THat battler is NOT the culprit in ANY of the murders in any of the games. SO I don't think you should take it as anything else other than a way to clear Natsuhi I think it's far more likely for Kanon to be the kid >_> |
| Virgilia's red was for the previous games, wasn't it? Beacuse the rule I remember is that the detective cannot be the culprit, and Erika is the detective this time. Battler also proved he had a subjecitve way of thinking, something like that. And Kanon is 16 years old. The "kid" is even older than Battler, if you think. But, since Rudolf never managed to tell Battler the matter about his birth, there's a possibility. Before, I thought Natsuhi was stupid, but I learned in this arc that the stupid one is Krauss >_> |
| From my point of view, Virgilia's red was revelant to all games including this one |
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mariatea said: From my point of view, Virgilia's red was revelant to all games including this one |
Darklight0303 said: mariatea said: From my point of view, Virgilia's red was revelant to all games including this one Yeah, we can think like that as well. But he's probably not worried about this red or he might have forgotten. :P |
DanielMorsDec 28, 2009 12:15 PM
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Darklight0303 said: DanielMors said: What do you think? Just like the whole Kanon beeing (not) dead thing. (I find it rather crack if he happens to be not Rudolf's son, oh well) |
kuraklaraDec 28, 2009 12:56 PM
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DanielMors said: Sorry to break it to you but Claim 4: The one who is qualified to be Beato's opponent is 'Kinzo's grandson Ushiromiya Battler', and whether you are 'Asumu's son' or not is no problem. Thus, even if you are not Asumu's son, you can be Kinzo's grandson. As long as you are Rudolf's son! (Used by ANGE-Beatrice in Chapter 19: Ushiromiya Ange.) This was not denied in red so I think it's safe to assume that at the very least Battler is Rudolf's son Also about this. I get the feeling Ange knows the truth about Battler. how else would she have figured out what Beato was trying to do and freak out? mariatea said: Darklight0303 said: hmmm I agree with that reasoning. |
Darklight0303Dec 28, 2009 12:42 PM
| This was taken off /jp/. It's a rather convincing solution to the epitaph that also opens up many plausible theories, one of the more important ones being the cause Battler's death at the end of Episode 4. It's not confirmed to be correct of course, but it's well supported with clues throughout the novel so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the actual solution. If you want to try solving the epitaph yourself but don't have a strong grip on Japanese, reading part one should be enough to get your started on solving the rest I think. |
| I just noticed: Virgilia destroyed the "Kanon being the real Battler"-theory with her red thruth, didn't she? If Battler isn't the culprit then Kanon calling himself Battler isn't the culprit either. |
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DanielMors said: I just noticed: Virgilia destroyed the "Kanon being the real Battler"-theory with her red thruth, didn't she? If Battler isn't the culprit then Kanon calling himself Battler isn't the culprit either. Hmmm indeed. ALso the Shanon=Kanon theory was also smashed THey were both with Battler during the conference |
| ... unless he calls himself "Senta-kun" ^^ *coughcough* |
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mariatea said: ... unless he calls himself "Senta-kun" ^^ *coughcough* LOL nah I don't think so. Battler is supposed to be read as battler. if he calls himself Senta kun then the red truth about Battler shouldn't apply so it makes little difference |
Kaiserpingvin said: Why didn't I cry? I was certain I'd cry. Beato dies and I do not shed a tear. What's wrong with me? Is it because I'm certain she'll be back? What if she isn't going to be? ;_; Trollkastel looks benign in comparison. I didn't cry when Beato died either. Well, I did cry when I first spoiled myself but when I actually played the game I was too busy thinking about the truth that Battler reached to be sad about Beato dying. There's no way I can keep from getitng spoiled for EP6. I have to know what Game Master Battler is going to do. I was certain I'd hate Erika, but I didn't. She has that intellectual rapist moe going on, in a pathetic way. Everyone hates her, and all she wants is to fuck with people's heads and be loved by her mother, that's adorable. Isn't it? Yes, she is moe. Erika is one of the most entertaining characters in Umineko so it's hard for me to hate her. The only time she really made me mad was when she was torturing Cornelia and Gertrude. Anyway, I think the baby from 19 years ago really did die and the person on the phone is just trying to scare Natsuhi. I also think that person is female. Maybe it's Kyrie. She was still so suspicious in this game. |
hirahira said: Kaiserpingvin said: Why didn't I cry? I was certain I'd cry. Beato dies and I do not shed a tear. What's wrong with me? Is it because I'm certain she'll be back? What if she isn't going to be? ;_; Trollkastel looks benign in comparison. I didn't cry when Beato died either. Well, I did cry when I first spoiled myself but when I actually played the game I was too busy thinking about the truth that Battler reached to be sad about Beato dying. There's no way I can keep from getitng spoiled for EP6. I have to know what Game Master Battler is going to do. I was certain I'd hate Erika, but I didn't. She has that intellectual rapist moe going on, in a pathetic way. Everyone hates her, and all she wants is to fuck with people's heads and be loved by her mother, that's adorable. Isn't it? Yes, she is moe. Erika is one of the most entertaining characters in Umineko so it's hard for me to hate her. The only time she really made me mad was when she was torturing Cornelia and Gertrude. Anyway, I think the baby from 19 years ago really did die and the person on the phone is just trying to scare Natsuhi. I also think that person is female. Maybe it's Kyrie. She was still so suspicious in this game. I think so too. That kind of fall would kill a baby even without the rocks there. Also Kyrie may have found out about this via her connections in Kyoto the ones she mentioned to Rudolf. So her being the mastermind behind the phone calls is VERY plausible |
Xjellocross said: This was taken off /jp/. It's a rather convincing solution to the epitaph that also opens up many plausible theories, one of the more important ones being the cause Battler's death at the end of Episode 4. It's not confirmed to be correct of course, but it's well supported with clues throughout the novel so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the actual solution. If you want to try solving the epitaph yourself but don't have a strong grip on Japanese, reading part one should be enough to get your started on solving the rest I think. I read the theorie on another forum. I think it's quite plausible, since it follows the reasoning presented in this last game to solve the epitath. But it seems more and more that doesn't matter if the epitath is solved or not, since the deaths don't stop. I think we should be wondering what's Battler's sin. I guess it has something to do with a promise, Beatrice seemed really hurt when Battler said that he never did any promise. |
| Hmmmm indeed. EP 5 has proven once again that solving the epitaph will not stop the murders. As for Battler's sin it could be anything. Though I am curious about the promise Beato was asking of Batler since I don't think she was talking about the one to kill her since Battler would NOT forget that one |
| That promise gotta be from six years ago. Beato being a bomb is bizarre, but I suppose anything goes. I remember some earlier theory. far more mundane, which returned that the entrance was in the forest, but that seems both too simple and far too vague. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: That promise gotta be from six years ago. Beato being a bomb is bizarre, but I suppose anything goes. I remember some earlier theory. far more mundane, which returned that the entrance was in the forest, but that seems both too simple and far too vague. It may seem bizarre, but, well, it solves Beato's last riddle from EP4, doesn't it? :) |
| Not witch Beato >:D Something tells me Battler might have found the Kuwadorian 6 years ago >_> then when Kinzo learned of that he may have subjected Battler to some terrible form of punishment which may have led to him sealing away the memory of that time Does it I wonder. That portrait really isn't all that big to hid a bomb behind it. If there were a bomb I think it would be in one of the underground passages. If that map we see in the anime would be considered canon. Then the ground along with the mansion guesthouse and cathedral, caved in somehow thus dropping it down to beach level. Still Beato being a bomb. I doubt Ryukishi would pull that kind of crazy move. He's supposedly got enough to blow our minds away with the golden land alone >_> |
Darklight0303Dec 28, 2009 2:10 PM
Yuuh said: Lies and slander! I don't know, have we ever heard anything about that? Of course, the only confirmed existing Beatrice died before Battler was born. But that needn't be the only one, she could'ave had a daughter, sister, cousin, or whatever. Or, for that matter, Battler could promise to empty air/the imagined Witch of the Forest, which would explain the whole forgetting part. But urr that's just my shipper wheels spinning out of control. It's very much likely something more sensible anyway. As for the riddle in the end of ep 4, how about starvation, or the storm. That's what I took it to mean. Maybe the typhoon is Typhoon Beatrice. Or something. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Yuuh said: Lies and slander! I don't know, have we ever heard anything about that? Of course, the only confirmed existing Beatrice died before Battler was born. But that needn't be the only one, she could'ave had a daughter, sister, cousin, or whatever. Or, for that matter, Battler could promise to empty air/the imagined Witch of the Forest, which would explain the whole forgetting part. But urr that's just my shipper wheels spinning out of control. It's very much likely something more sensible anyway. Also we keep forgetting. Beatrice is a title not a name someone is born with. As for the riddle in the end of ep 4, how about starvation, or the storm. That's what I took it to mean. Maybe the typhoon is Typhoon Beatrice. Or something. Or maybe a real human with a remote detonator >:D that way you got both deals. the bomb and a human who is Beatrice Also Beatrice is a title not a name someone was born with. Even virgilia was once called Beatrice. So to say that the sin has no connection to beatrice proves NOTHING if it has connection to the human who took the title of Beatrice |
Darklight0303Dec 28, 2009 2:21 PM
| "Battler Ushiromiya, at this time, I will kill you. And right now, there is no one on the island other than you. The only one alive on this island is you. Nothing outside the island can interfere in any way. And of course, I am not you. However, I am here now and will kill you." Note "[n]othing outside the island can interfere in any way.". So that's impossible. |
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Yuuh said: It may seem bizarre, but, well, it solves Beato's last riddle from EP4, doesn't it? :) He certainly didn't meet 'Beatrice', but as shown in EP 3 name 'Beatrice' is only a title and is passed down. Point is that even if he hadn't meetBeatrice, he still could met our Beato, since she could gain her 'name' after that. s]so battler hurry up and marry her already xD I have read this epitaph theory before. Even if I find most of it plausible, I have hard time accepting Beato is bomb. |
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| Interfere could refer to nothing being able to prevent it just as easily. it's all a matter of interpretation mariatea said: Yuuh said: It may seem bizarre, but, well, it solves Beato's last riddle from EP4, doesn't it? :) He certainly didn't meet 'Beatrice', but as shown in EP 3 name 'Beatrice' is only a title and is passed down. Point is that even if he hadn't meetBeatrice, he still could met our Beato, since she could gain her 'name' after that. s]so battler hurry up and marry her already xD I have read this epitaph theory before. Even if I find most of it plausible, I have hard time accepting Beato is bomb. There would be a fire and burn marks. Unless like I said the explosion took place underground to make it seem like a natural cave in that wiped out the estate |
Darklight0303Dec 28, 2009 2:27 PM
| The "any way" means that both the positive and negative meanings are impossible. mariatea said: I have read this epitaph theory before. Even if I find most of it plausible, I have hard time accepting Beato is bomb. Unless the cops are in on it. |
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