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| You forgot the most common factor between them though: humanity. |
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| Both religion and nationalism can take both harmless and harmful forms. It depends heavily if it is being used to manipulate people and for what purpose. |
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| Doesn't matter we need both in order to get population down as much as possible we already on the limits of overpopulation and climate change. Religion likes to be influential on nationalistic policies and beliefs whichever is the trigger. Why does it matter which is worse if you believe in your God you will most likely believe you will go to paradise away from this living hell anyways. |
Rarusu_ said: Rome started war in the name of God. O.O Are you sure? Which war? Aren't you confusing with Crusades? |
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DeathNyx said: Rarusu_ said: Rome started war in the name of God. O.O Are you sure? Which war? Aren't you confusing with Crusades? Might be referring to the Holy Roman Empire, not exactly ancient Rome but still true |
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TheBasedNico said: Religion by leagues. At least nationalism can come with healthy tones. Religion today is overly discriminatory when it shouldn't be. A friend of mine is Christian but one of the most progressive people I know, discrimination caused by religion really depends on the denomination. |
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Rarusu_ said: Religion itself is rarely the cause of war. Neither is nationalism. War isn't always a bad thing either. America has started wars in the name of freedom. Rome started war in the name of God. Objectively, there is no differences really. ^this Nationalism & Religion can have their dirty side. Relevant to the topic, I would pick Religion > Nationalism simply because religion transcend national/ethnic boundaries thereby uniting a portion of humanity under a common belief. |
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| Religion. At least nationalists aren't believing the tellings of some fictional book and worshipping some false god. |
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TheBasedNico said: As an Agnostic Baptist I know there are some batshit crazies in our denomination. But our church doesn't discriminate at all. It seems to me that they are using their religion as an excuse to hate, hard to say if you should blame the individuals or religion in that case. |
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TheConquerer said: DeathNyx said: O.O Are you sure? Which war? Aren't you confusing with Crusades? Might be referring to the Holy Roman Empire, not exactly ancient Rome but still true If he means the crusades then they were fought by different states (HRE too). But usually were Popes who proclaimed crusades. I though he meant Ancient Rome. |
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| Neither. While people circlejerk against religion, they fail to realize that 90% of the wars were caused by: 1. Women. 2. Money. 3. Power. |
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nachonaan said: I don't think Nationalism or Religion are bad things by themselves. It depends on people how they use it in their lives. Because of these both things, there have been wars, suffering and much more, yeah. But is reckless to say that they're both bad and ignoring the most important thing: people give them the meaning. Typical cliche. Humanity's true enemy is itself. |
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TheBasedNico said: ixsetf said: It seems to me that they are using their religion as an excuse to hate, hard to say if you should blame the individuals or religion in that case. Definitely individuals, but their source materials which come from religion itself are tantamount to given a bad name. This thread in the end just boils down to personal opinion. Both can be good both can be bad, but I've seen worse from religion as opposed to a nation's flag. Well, considering Stalin's massacres were committed to have a united Soviet Union, one could argue that that far transcends anything you could attribute to a religious cause (unless you want to label it as an anti-religious atrocity which would still be accurate.) Hail the Hammer and Sickle! Sub in Mao in China and you still have a national reason. |
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RedRoseFring said: TheBasedNico said: Definitely individuals, but their source materials which come from religion itself are tantamount to given a bad name. This thread in the end just boils down to personal opinion. Both can be good both can be bad, but I've seen worse from religion as opposed to a nation's flag. Well, considering Stalin's massacres were committed to have a united Soviet Union, one could argue that that far transcends anything you could attribute to a religious cause (unless you want to label it as an anti-religious atrocity which would still be accurate.) Hail the Hammer and Sickle! Stalin did nothing wrong though... |
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Involtus said: RedRoseFring said: Well, considering Stalin's massacres were committed to have a united Soviet Union, one could argue that that far transcends anything you could attribute to a religious cause (unless you want to label it as an anti-religious atrocity which would still be accurate.) Hail the Hammer and Sickle! Stalin did nothing wrong though... So much red though. Not easy on the eyes. |
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TheBasedNico said: 2-methylgeniol said: Neither. While people circlejerk against religion, they fail to realize that 90% of the wars were caused by: 1. Women. 2. Money. 3. Power.  If having a credible opinion tantamount to being edgy. Then you're in for some domestic violence. |
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Olwen said: Depends on the religion. Islam is the worst of all, then nationalism, then Christianity, then Buddhism, so on. No, Christianity is not even bad. You think so because you have so little knowledge about the religion. You can barely interpret anything from the bible let alone judge the religion. |
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| Both are essencialy just forms of love :p But people can make shit, of course. |
2-methylgeniol said: Neither. While people circlejerk against religion, they fail to realize that 90% of the wars were caused by: 1. Women. 2. Money. 3. Power. This is misogyny right here. You go Genio! |
alkchf said: Both are essencialy just forms of love :p But people can make shit, of course. Religion is not a form of love. You are making shit up..just as you say people can. |
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teruu said: Olwen said: Depends on the religion. Islam is the worst of all, then nationalism, then Christianity, then Buddhism, so on. No, Christianity is not even bad. You think so because you have so little knowledge about the religion. You can barely interpret anything from the bible let alone judge the religion. Really? |
teruu said: alkchf said: Both are essencialy just forms of love :p But people can make shit, of course. Religion is not a form of love. You are making shit up..just as you say people can. Love of live itselft, love for others, love for "what's right"? |
Olwen said: teruu said: No, Christianity is not even bad. You think so because you have so little knowledge about the religion. You can barely interpret anything from the bible let alone judge the religion. Really? Yes. You are quite close/ same as..those people who imagine that other individuals blindly follow after religion indiscriminately neglecting to understand that they are also blindly not following after religion. These individuals are presumptuous and neglect to understand the birthplace of anything. There is a reason behind everything, .. for example, those Christians who are knowledgeable about the religion would also know why homosexuality is a sin. |
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alkchf said: teruu said: Religion is not a form of love. You are making shit up..just as you say people can. Love of live itselft, love for others, love for "what's right"? Religion is a collection of beliefs and ordeals that show the follower the meaning and the purpose of life with its set of guidance. Religion can often promote love however that doesn't mean religion is a form of love. |
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Gholy said: 2-methylgeniol said: ???1. Women. 2. Money. 3. Power. yes believe it, some wars in history were caused by women and lust in general i guess , Cleopatra anyone ?? lol i dunno why he went as far to say women though :P since the actual reason is horny-ness. |
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ZA_WAYD said: Gholy said: ??? yes believe it, some wars in history were caused by women and lust in general i guess , Cleopatra anyone ?? lol i dunno why he went as far to say women though :P since the actual reason is horny-ness. Horny-ness would have made my post seem comical. Do I really have to be that specific? Ok. 1. Hornyness/Lust 2. Bank accounts. 3. P=VI |
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ZA_WAYD said: Gholy said: ??? yes believe it, some wars in history were caused by women and lust in general i guess , Cleopatra anyone ?? lol i dunno why he went as far to say women though :P since the actual reason is horny-ness. Uh no. In the past customarily, the royalties had to wed another of their own and their was no other choice at that moment because of their notoriety and status. .. Wars had been amounted by that. |
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Gholy said: ZA_WAYD said: He said 90% of wars are caused by women, money, and power. Money and power kinda make sense but putting women of all things is kinda ridiculous.yes believe it, some wars in history were caused by women and lust in general i guess , Cleopatra anyone ?? lol i dunno why he went as far to say women though :P since the actual reason is horny-ness. Lay aside the inner SJW and heed this: Read the history. |
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teruu said: alkchf said: Love of live itselft, love for others, love for "what's right"? Religion is a collection of beliefs and ordeals that show the follower the meaning and the purpose of life with its set of guidance. Religion can often promote love however that doesn't mean religion is a form of love. That's your definition ;) One could go and say something along the lines of "a religion is a 'belief system', a special kind of [deductive] logical system, founded upon faith and other arbitrary principles, concerned with evaluating all kinds of sentences relative to human life", and that would be ok too. It's still love. |
Gholy said: 2-methylgeniol said: WWII? Mongol Empire? Taiping Rebellion? WWI? Chinese Civil War?Lay aside the inner SJW and heed this: Read the history. Dunno what women have to do with those wars, and those were among the bloodiest wars in history. Don't know what Religion had to do with them either. Underlying causes, friend. 'Women' will never be stated as the biggest cause of a war. But it was a cause nonetheless. Many arguably small wars were waged on the dispute of women especially in the Indian region. |
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