Fairy Tail Chapter 440 Discussion

Kalcaen said:
Well, God Serena is definitively Yuriy .

The ressemblance is kinda undeniable, I mean, look at the hair style (if we forget about the fancy upper stuff), the form of his eyes, his eyebrows, and the shade of grey used let think that he his blond haired. Plus, he's the only original FT member we've haven't seen yet in the main FT so far, and his connection to the actual team is pretty high. Last, he would have a reason to go to Arbaless: saving his son.

And listen to what Warrod said in this chapter, which means he knows what's going on... The other two Kings of Ishgar might not because it was decided between both FT former members. ;)

lienleaf said:
That Gajeel
"We're forming the B Team" was awesome.
But come to think about it,
Team A consists of Natsu,Lucy,Gray,Wendy, Erza and Mest.(+Happy,+Carla)
Team B however: Gajeel,Juvia,Mirajane and Laxus.(+Lily)
Im wondering whether they wanna have another powerhouse like Jellal/Mystogan again, like in GMG, though Jellal is 100% busy doing something else.

Any thoughts on who will be the 6th in Team B?

And hopefully Lisanna and Elfman wont be tagging along Team B because of Mira, they should be rebuildung the Guild.

hello09 said:
There is another weird thing. Warrod and Woldheim all look old. The council chairman,Hyperion,doesn't. Plus,he has those ears. He is most likely not human and he is probably ageless. The first one is Yuriy's spitting image,besides those antennae.

I am pretty sure he revealed him like this in order to set up a plot twist /revelation later on. Many people who dissed this arc probably will refrain themselves after this one.

Still,it sure would be sad to see that two of fairy tail's founding fathers strayed,and that only Warrod decided to inherit Mavis's will. Maybe Yuriy got an ageless curse cast on him,like Zeref and Mavis did. That would explain why his body didn't mature.

Plus,in a hundred years,it's possible to become the continent's strongest mage,lol. Only reason why Warrod is fourth is because not only he is old and because he doesn't know many offensive magics. Even in zero he observed that he was a back up mage. Hades,well... he sure was a monster,but old age caught up to him and without that heart,he couldn't use his full power.

hello09 said:
Someone sure likes Laxus here . When the infiltration team gets caught,after Natsu causes a ruckus,I wouldn't be surprised if 'Team B" came to the rescue.

Ah,I see. "Serena" is the name of a female in yugioh arc V. This is why some thought it would be a woman,right?

"From a Late Latin name which was derived from Latin serenus meaning "clear, tranquil, serene". This name was borne by an obscure early saint. Edmund Spenser also used it in his poem 'The Faerie Queene' (1590)."

FAIRY QUEENE

hello09 said:
mashima is the master of retconing information,if push comes to shove.Also,darklight,you misunderstand.

WHEN was it said they wanted Lumen Historie simply to add it to their weapon inventory? It wasn't. We don't know why they need it and what they are planning with it. The emperor could be planning to use it against Zeref and acnologia,for instance.

Also,we don't know how Mavis became Lumen Historie and if Precht was the only one who knew about it or not. It sure is weird Serena's decision. If he knows where it is,all he had to do was raid the guild. He could easily do it. He is the strongest mage of ishgard.

This can be chalked up to the reason why Obito,for instance,wasted all his attempts to kill Naruto and Kakashi. There would be no plot if did the logical,lol.

MrJValentine said:
Am i the only one who was not happy with this latest update. There was just to much how to put it, stupid decisions.
I don't what her reasoning was. Erza as guildmaster should not have included herself in this mission.
And yea Natsu and the gang are the main characters... I don't care they are the absolute worst choices for an infiltration. Gajeel and Mest together would make a way waaaayyyyy better team.
The big reveal of the Four Gods. That was so anticlimactic. After all the hype Hiro put into that sad ass war god(whose name i don't remember or care to remember).
The only redeeming factor is and always will be Hiro's sweet ass artwork.
But this was a real poor chapter. It only served to reveal the Gods and Serena's betrayal. And honestly with this setup i clearly see a Natsu/ Team Natsu vs Serena or maybe the actual leader of the Sprigan 12. And honestly at this point after only 1 stinking year Natsu can fairly compete with the former #1 of Ishgar I'm just done. Cause one year should not be sufficient to compete with the strongest guy n the continent. NO fricking way.

hello09 said:
mashima is the master of retconing information,if push comes to shove.Also,darklight,you misunderstand.

WHEN was it said they wanted Lumen Historie simply to add it to their weapon inventory? It wasn't. We don't know why they need it and what they are planning with it. The emperor could be planning to use it against Zeref and acnologia,for instance.

Also,we don't know how Mavis became Lumen Historie and if Precht was the only one who knew about it or not. It sure is weird Serena's decision. If he knows where it is,all he had to do was raid the guild. He could easily do it. He is the strongest mage of ishgard.

This can be chalked up to the reason why Obito,for instance,wasted all his attempts to kill Naruto and Kakashi. There would be no plot if did the logical,lol.

I am not fond of rants,kingace. Keep it to yourself,if you please. If this was the "Karin's Sarada's daughter,not Sakura" topic,I would understand it. But in here you are making a tempest over a small issue.

Behemoth11 said:
I wonder if they are really that strong?

kevin_video said:

Guaranteed Natsu will show us just how weak they are. As always. Bah.

KingAce261 said:
Okay here is my thoughts: Simce the 12 shields of sprigan all have power to match the top four of the wizard saints it will,probably go down one of 3 ways. 1. Fairy Tail can only beat a few of them and get really hurt but without Igneel inside Natsu he is able to go Etherious form or full E.N.D and beats them with the power he used to beat Igneel 400 years ago. 2. God Serena (who I still don't know if he is a boy or girl) turns out to still be good and helps Fairy Tail find gramps and stop the other 11 3. Fairy Tail by some miracle beat the 11 and only have to deal with God Serena (seriously is that person a he or she, I thought she until I saw a drawing of that person) so since fairy tail can't beat her/him either both Natsu and Gajeel have to go dual element and just barley win or all first gen dragon slayers go dragon force (or maybe just Natsu, the glory hog) and just barely beat her/him.

I also hope they don't hype this up like they did the avatar arc only for avatar to be weak as shit and not even be able to summon a real God, they just summonsed a giant that can punch stuff and not even use magic. I'm starting to think giro wanted to make a whole big arc about them just for Gray's character development but the editors made him stop and waste a whole good arc and idea. If they do this with the comming arc I will personally fly to Japan break into their office punch them in the face then get Mashima Hiro's autograph.

hello09 said:
Wow,people sure are pissed that there is no female among the four gods of ishagard. They say this is sexism.

Isn't it also sexist to have a female in four gods just for the sake of having one? A token female member? Plus,if mashima did one,people would then make jokes about the "fanservice god" or the "token god".

King Ace,they are the protagonists. This is a pointless rant and conversation. Plus,you are full of double standards. If you are gonna rant,do it right. Sting is the guildmaster of Sabertooth,yet he went to battle Tartarus. I imagine that someone like Levy will be left as a substitute. She is perfect for the job. To infiltrate Albarath would be a suicide mission. Erza wouldn't put her friends in such a risk,that's why she is going with them,and why only only team Natsu is going.

It would be too risky to bring more than 5. Natsu going can be chalked up to the fact that he would follow them regardless of Erza's will,even though it's quite predictable that he is going to blow their cover.

There is a reason why Erza,Natsu,Gray and Lucy are the manga's main protagonists and why Natsu and Lucy are the leads. It's because Mashima wants to. Things Zeref Dragneel,E.N.D,etc,are just "excuses" to justify it. If you disagree so much and think that Natsu is "stealing glory",simply don't read the manga. Either that or get used to it.

cenkiss said:


Or fiore gets invaded and fairy tail has to fight guerilla style.

Behemoth11 said:

Gajeel is pretty much vegeta to natsu goku so he should be fine.

KingAce261 said:

I'm saying that Hiro is showing favoritism. Team Natsu are not the only protagisy basically all of team tenrou are protagonists of you take off gildarts. How can you not call it favoritism when Hiro makes one of the few charcthers whi have to stay on the Homefront go to the battle field. Team Natsu are not the only protagonist and the only Main protagonist that can get favoritism is Natsu, so you can not say Hiro isn't showing favoritism. Why are you acting like Erza is in the right she as the guild master should stay behind when the guild is still being rebuilt and at its most vulnerable to be attacked and for the lumen historic to be stolen, and stop acting like Erza can do a better job of protecting them than other members like Mira. If Hiro wasn't showing favoritism he would make it so that Erza form a small team of about 7 to infiltrate the kingdom, which whould probably be Natsu(u can't stop him) Gray(he proved he can be a good spy) Gajeel(also proved he can be a good spy) warren(need that telepathic link up) Wendy (support and healing) Mest (he proved he is the mvp of spies) and Laxus (gajeel would get him and they need a calm mind and powerhouse. Instead of doing this Hiro showed favoritism and did the wrong thing. Now Fairy Tail is even more vulnerable and the lumen historie would be easy pickings. This is why Erza can't be a leader because she is front line material and can't see the big picture as well as listens to her heart first without thinking, she is more like a general not a king. I am basically saying that Hiro showing favoritism to team Natsu is making the manga a lot worse than it could have been, let them take the bleachers every once in a while, you can't have the same players in the game 24/7 with the only possible exception being the main protagonist Natsu but even he has to take a back seat every now and then,

metsujin said:

Well idk why I pointed those out. But role of the supporting characters (like it or not lol), is to support the main ones, that's their roles. It's like you're saying (this is just a example) why is Luffy the only one who takes care of the boss, in almost every arc??? Or Naruto, Ichigo. Only manga I saw where the main characters don't go to the boss battles (from the top of my head ofc, there could be others lol) is Hunter x Hunter.

Isterio said:
It still leads to alot of confusion because Natsu was never explained to be "the strongest" which makes it necessary for Hiro to pull power ups and friendship speeches out of his ass to somehow justify guys like Mira/Laxus or Makarov losing while Natsu beats their enemies.
That´s pretty much the worst thing about Fairy Tails narrative and before you come up with the arguments how other Shounen do that, no they don´t .Naruto is a good example of powerlevels while keeping the MC important. Untill he faced Pain he never won any fight against a villain besides Gaara. And Gaara was a team effort.

Furhtermore why do you keep calling that Dragon thing a team effort? I do not believe that Wendy had any meaningful imapct on taht, in general untill the Face incident, Wendy was always mere support.That´s why this arc is so important because it evolved so many characters and reversed their roles since forever.

hello09 said:
Metsujin,if you want to speak about favoritism in fairy tail,maybe you should see bleach or naruto. idon't even think I need to speak further about this,but I will just say the following

In every manga there is going to be favoritism. However,fairy tail does it's best to develop most of it's main caracters or give them the occasional spotlight.

It's a literary work. I have never seen a theater play,a movie,a rpg,or even a book,where there is no favoritism and everyone in the plot is equally important. That simply doesn't exist.

In every manga the heroes are gonna win and the villains will be fodderized.

What interests me is the journey,the process,not it's conclusion and results. If anyone here disagrees, simply stop reading manga. Honestly,this is pointless.

Plus,you are also being a hypocrite. Sting is sabertooth's guildmaster and he can go risk his limb against tartarus,while Erza needs to stay home taking care of the kitchen. Natsu is THE protagonist here. The only reason there is a plot in fairy tail is because of Natsu's existence.

AJWilliams said:


My thoughts exactly..... Dracula lookn mf. Hiro paying homage to the late Christopher Lee perhaps? Chapter was okay, The 4 kings were a little underwhelming but w/e. Hope we get to See some Laxus soon.

metsujin said:

I'm confused, I'm defending this because people say only the main characters get spotlight, well yeah, isn't the role of the supporting characters to support the main ones???
I mean, I know that, it happens in everything. People just like others characters better and want them to shine more, and I don't disagree I would want to see more of them too, but some supporting character get to shine too, not as much as the main ones, true, but they do.

Isterio said:
The point is not that the prots are having the most screentime, the problem is "How the supporting cast get´s treated in favor of the main cast".

Jiraya in Naruto is a support character he still was stronger than any of the MCs including Kakashi for half the manga.

Hiro is constantly trolling his character for the sake of the Main cast, "outside of filler" that´s important, many series like to do that during Filler and One Piece has a Luffy fetish as well. But Luffy is established as the strongest member of his crew.

It´s implied that Gray is equally strong as Natsu, somehow but Gray has several loses under his belt. Natsu has one troll loss against the owl guy.

Gajeel the other Rival, get´s basicly always trolled alongside Elfman, Laxus and Mira.
Don´t let me get started on Mystogun and Gildarts.

Fairy tail has by far the worst most inconsistent powerlevels from any battle shounen I´ve come across till today. And Hiro knows to do better. Hiro wrote Rave and the powerlevels were consistant in that, some fights were boring cause oneshots, but the guy who got beaten got replaced by someone stronger so it was ok.

metsujin said:

I'm confused, I'm defending this because people say only the main characters get spotlight, well yeah, isn't the role of the supporting characters to support the main ones???
I mean, I know that, it happens in everything. People just like others characters better and want them to shine more, and I don't disagree I would want to see more of them too, but some supporting character get to shine too, not as much as the main ones, true, but they do.

metsujin said:


They're not that inconsistent to me, and if you're gonna say "There's a powerful villain, and FT got powerful mages, but Natsu takes them out.". He does it with help, and I'm talking about Zero, Jellal, Hades, F!Rogue, Mard Geer (Gajeel was not the biggest thread in Phantom Lord). Again this is my own opinion, I give facts you give facts, who's right or wrong? Who knows.

Isterio said:
The quotes come from quotes Hiro specifically puts into the Manga to give us the readers an idea of the powerlevels within the guild and the Fairy Tail universe.

I had a discussion with my cousin back in the day when Fairy Tail in the manga was around the Tenrous Island arc, I think they barely had come back and we talked about "powerlevels".
He quoted something which made me think, y that´s true but that´s also kinda bullshit.
I was arguing how Gildarts should be the strongest judging by feats then I mentioned Laxus along the lines of second strongest and he said well "Natsu is among them, because he has "determination strength", he get´s stronger when his enemie overpowers him". That concept in itself is stupid because going by that without applying any rules to it "Natsu becomes Superman, he becomes as strong as he needs to be".

Which yeah, the main cast in Batlle shounen has to win, but not always in that obvious way.

See this "superman concept" can be done right and it was done right by none other than Kubo, who get´s alot of shit for his writing. But he managed to explain the concept of a character getting conveniently stronger the momment he needs it without explanation in a reasonable way. Simply by reversing the process.

I don´t wanna spoil, but within the Bleach series there is a flashback for a character that was struggling with his enemies in every fight, but beating them all of sudden by powering up. This character get´s revealed to have unconciously nerfed himself in the past therefore the power he was accesing all the time wasn´t really a power up but actually power he would have acces too if he wouldn´t have nerfed himself in the past.
It´s not a good explanation but it´s reasonable, because it limits the characters capacities to his maximum potential he used to have during his prime, no more.

If this character wants to surpass his prime he´d actually have to go training, which is a reasonable way to strengthen characters or get a power up with explanation like Jellals Golden flame. Btw I hate Oda´s way of growing Luffy it´s Bullshit it´s a plothole to the story and it´s the same deal as with Natsu, which is why I´m not a fan of Luffy and have a dislike for Natsu.

More a dislike for Natsu, because Hiro refuses to just put him on the top of the food chain and let´s Laxus and Erza onehit him while Gildarts intimidates him to the point where he doesn´t even try. I do not count those "defeats" as regular losses but show us his groth Hiro. Either he has surpassed them or not.

Because if he´s gonna apply the past logic again then the whole timeskip had no purpose since Natsu would become stronger during his fights anyway as long as the plot demands it.

metsujin said:


This is why I don't like comparing series, because the stuff is different and everything works within that respective universe. Also to point out one more thing, we never saw Gildarts go full strength, not once, he always needs to be focused otherwise he'd wreck shit unintentionally. Just imagine him going all out.

ichii_1 said:
Serena is still with ishgar, he's just delaying the enemy in his own way.
yes and I put my for that he is Yuri, if warren is alive he could be too, plus serena is a girls name just like yuri :)
Gildartz is still the strongest mage in ishgar, how can anyone say natsu is as strong?

gildartz, laxus, natsu, erza, gray, gajeel, mira, sabertooth, jellal, oracion seis, council member 2 ,3 and 4, leon, kagura, lucy + spirits, wendy, the other guilds
the giants from flares village could join too XD

Yeah I think Ishgar has got this :)