Spiral chap 77 ending

CursedTiamat said:
It was hinted earlier in the manga that they wouldn't end up together but we can see that they still love each other.

edit: I've decided I do not like the ending. Even with all this talk about hope the manga leaves me with a feeling of despair. Narumi gave up any chance for happiness so that he could help the others. now he will suffer in his loneliness till his death =[ I think that he could have used a different method... if he somehow got together with hiyono he could show the blade children that he could find support that way even with all the bad things that happened to him. so the blade children could support each other etc. through their hardships

fr0zendragon said:
I finished this manga a few years ago in Korean version but reading it again, I really feel sorry for Narumi o.o
The first time I read it, I felt that it was a realistically good ending but now I just feel as if Narumi got abandoned by hope itself... still a great manga though, it has been one of my favorites for a few years ever since I read it =D

I still think this manga didn't get enough attention and credits it deserved despite it being a great, enjoyable manga.

kira-factor said:


Yes, I agree with you there. I do wish the ending could have been different. It's really sad how Narumi ends up with the most tragic fate. What annoys me is the fact that his brother seems to get the happy ending -_-" While Narumi gets the sad one. I was glad Hiyono came back, but wish they could have gone more into depth.

It was an enjoyable series, but I guess the ending could have been more satisfying.

CursedTiamat said:

Another thing that really bothered me was the Hiyono plot twist. She was my favorite character and I thought it was great how she always helped Narumi so much. I wanted to believe the character was helping Narumi cause she wanted to, but instead I get told that she was just being paid off my Kiyotaka. Urgh

shyblueangel said:
Sorry, but I think you guys are completely missing the point.

Kiyotaka and Ayumu agreed in the penultimate chapter that if someone wants to convey the importance of hope and believing in it despite being in the dark, to get their point across, they would have to be the one with a cruel. For instance, who would you more easily believe? A spoiled, pampered child who tells you that "humans aren't cruel" or a veteran missing a couple a feet and has gone through torture during the war who tells you that "humans aren't cruel"? Which one seems more convincing?

Ayumu is like that veteran. He is the man who will laugh despite being the dark and tell everyone else to keep living. That is how he is "saving" the Blade Children. Initially, the Blade Children thought that salvation was impossible for themselves. That's why some of them just thought "to heck with it" and just went along with their psychopathic tendencies. (Though the main Blade Children are different. Kousuke initially denies the possibility of being saved, which is why he was a murderer. Now that he believes though, he's different. Rio from the beginning believed and only murdered people because she wanted to draw Ayumu out).

Now Ayumu has a fate much crueler than that of the Blade Children and he still tries to fight it. That gives the Blade Children the push to try to save themselves. If Ayumu was like Kiyotaka, who had everything a man could ever want, the Blade Children wouldn't be able to draw inspiration to save themselves as easily.

That is why I personally think that this is the most fitting ending. It's not only the most realistic one, but also the happiest one. This whole manga is centered around salvation. Kanon tries to save the Blade Children, but fails and ends up dying by Hizumi's hands. His failure is significant, since it shows that salvation isn't something you can impose on other people. Salvation must come from yourself. Though it may seem "lame", Ayumu's way of "saving" the Blade Children was the best way to go about it.

shyblueangel said:
Sorry, but I think you guys are completely missing the point.

Kiyotaka and Ayumu agreed in the penultimate chapter that if someone wants to convey the importance of hope and believing in it despite being in the dark, to get their point across, they would have to be the one with a cruel. For instance, who would you more easily believe? A spoiled, pampered child who tells you that "humans aren't cruel" or a veteran missing a couple a feet and has gone through torture during the war who tells you that "humans aren't cruel"? Which one seems more convincing?

Ayumu is like that veteran. He is the man who will laugh despite being the dark and tell everyone else to keep living. That is how he is "saving" the Blade Children. Initially, the Blade Children thought that salvation was impossible for themselves. That's why some of them just thought "to heck with it" and just went along with their psychopathic tendencies. (Though the main Blade Children are different. Kousuke initially denies the possibility of being saved, which is why he was a murderer. Now that he believes though, he's different. Rio from the beginning believed and only murdered people because she wanted to draw Ayumu out).

Now Ayumu has a fate much crueler than that of the Blade Children and he still tries to fight it. That gives the Blade Children the push to try to save themselves. If Ayumu was like Kiyotaka, who had everything a man could ever want, the Blade Children wouldn't be able to draw inspiration to save themselves as easily.

That is why I personally think that this is the most fitting ending. It's not only the most realistic one, but also the happiest one. This whole manga is centered around salvation. Kanon tries to save the Blade Children, but fails and ends up dying by Hizumi's hands. His failure is significant, since it shows that salvation isn't something you can impose on other people. Salvation must come from yourself. Though it may seem "lame", Ayumu's way of "saving" the Blade Children was the best way to go about it.

renders said:

Finally someone who gets it
This will always be my favorite manga of all time

renders said:

Finally someone who gets it
This will always be my favorite manga of all time

TiamatNM said:
I just thought the conclusion he came to was really stupid. He decides to suffer as much as possible and by living on through that suffering he can show the blade children they can live on while bearing the pain as well. The "curse" on the blade children is badly explained anyway. As far as I can tell the only curse they have is that they are test tube babies with what I guess is a genetic predisposition to become a murderer. Kousuke, Rio, and maybe Eyes are already murderers though. Are they just going to get worse or something? If they know its a problem why don't they just support each other in ways that help them not go kill people? "oh Narumi is suffering so much! I guess I shouldn't kill people even though it's hard for me not to because he's shown me what real self control is!" Dumb

Another thing that really bothered me was the Hiyono plot twist. She was my favorite character and I thought it was great how she always helped Narumi so much. I wanted to believe the character was helping Narumi cause she wanted to, but instead I get told that she was just being paid off my Kiyotaka. Urgh

There's also the part where Narumi says he'll get everything back Kiyotaka took from him, and then as the ending plays out you see that he got back NOTHING. Kiyotaka is a happy ass bastard being married to Narumi's sister in law. Plus how are we supposed to know if Kiyotaka even wanted Narumi to kill him or not? He's like an unbeatable villain because anything you do might be part of his plans. So Narumi doesn't get with Madoka or Hiyono and he's gonna die in a few years due to body deterioration.

This manga has my least favorite ending to anything. Ever. Sorry for the long rant.

thomiozo said:
the husband comes home after allowing many murders to try and elevate his little brother/clone to an example for a group of strangers by mentally and physically torturing him before his body breaks down and the wife doesn't really mind all that much.

i don't mind the unrealistic behavior of genetically bred rib-less children but, why are most of the normal people in the story completely insane.
i know the series want to portray themes of hope, forgiveness etc. but, there are obviously things any normal person would get angry or sad about.