Canon Mary Sues in anime

romagia said:
kaiji; wins all battles doesn't leave anyone behind (kind soul) and all his super genius plans work
the only time he loses is to the stronger mary sue, the creepy director guy
why is he so perfect?

Killaclown said:
nah he gets tricked to, plus he loses all the time he just wins in the end usually

romagia said:
>wins every rps game
>is the only one who gets to the other side of the bars
>only one in the history of the world who beats that tonegawa guy
>almost gets the director too, but we need him for season 2
>beats that guy at dice and wins millions of perika (he only loses so he can understand his strategy better)
>the first guy to get the jackpot at the bog

no he doesnt lose all the time

romagia said:
>wins every rps game
>is the only one who gets to the other side of the bars
>only one in the history of the world who beats that tonegawa guy
>almost gets the director too, but we need him for season 2
>beats that guy at dice and wins millions of perika (he only loses so he can understand his strategy better)
>the first guy to get the jackpot at the bog

no he doesnt lose all the time

tsudecimo said:

You can't be serious. Most of the times when he wins it's through hard work. He lost many times.
The one in season 2 in particular was hard to watch. Fuck you Ando.

Shocked said:
I immediately thought of Medaka Box, except in a super meta sense.

Feaor said:
Isn't that sorta the whole bit of Medaka Box? Aren't all of the abnormals basically mary sues of some sort?

Feaor said:
Isn't that sorta the whole bit of Medaka Box? Aren't all of the abnormals basically mary sues of some sort?

tsudecimo said:

> except in a super meta sense

Feaor said:
Characters don't have to be perfect to be a mary sue/gary stu, and if Mahouka isn't a power fantasy then I have absolutely no fucking clue what is.

DrGeroCreation said:
How is it a power fantasy? Just because of the nature of Tatsuya's super powers ( super powers is actually the classification for the special magic Tatsuya was born with).

DrGeroCreation said:
The stupidity on MAL never ceases to amaze me. Tatsuya is not a gary stu (Mary sue is for females geniuses). Instead of just following the herd like a bunch of blind, mindless sheep you guys should make an effort to get to know more about the guy by reading the LN. Tatsuya ] IS NOT PERFECT [/sie] and his situation does not allow for him to be a true self insert ,wish fulfillment character like Sora and Kirito.

Insertanamehere said:

Because he is a self-insert, at least in the anime. I don't know about the LN's, but he didn't have much of a character in the anime that could be described as anything other than plain and generic. Add that to the fact that he defeats everyone ever with little to no effort and is surrounded by schoolmates who praise him and girls who fall all over him while praising him, and you have what is in fact a gary stu.

tsudecimo said:

The stupidity of MAL never cease to amaze me. Kirito and Sora are not gary tsu. Instead of just following the herd like a bunch of blind, mindless sheep you guys should make an effort to get to know more about those two by reading their LN. Kirito and Sora are not perfect. And their situation does not allow for him to be a true self insert, wish fullfilment character like Tatsyua.

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Comic_Sans said:

Fuck you Persona 4 The Golden Animation

romagia said:
kaiji; wins all battles doesn't leave anyone behind (kind soul) and all his super genius plans work
the only time he loses is to the stronger mary sue, the creepy director guy
why is he so perfect?

DrGeroCreation said:
They are considering they are perfect and have perfect situations unlike Tatsuya who isn't good in systematic magic , who can't feel any strong emotions , never really had a family and even though he is powerful has to be a servant tied to his sister. Not to mention that guy has to work non stop and can't just play games all day long like the both of them.

Milk_is_Special said:
I can relate to every character, especially the stupid and worst ones.

romagia said:
kaiji; wins all battles doesn't leave anyone behind (kind soul) and all his super genius plans work
the only time he loses is to the stronger mary sue, the creepy director guy
why is he so perfect?

gedata said:


He's a fucking failure at life who's only capable of great things once backed into a corner. One of the main themes of Kaiji is to never place your fate in the hands of luck and to seize as much control of situations as possible. He never wins via simply tossing the die and conveniently rolling good numbers, or drawing the write card. His victories are never really all that graceful either since he has to go through a lot of difficulty (mostly expressed by him crying) before he actually bucks up and does something right.

Killaclown said:
who would want to be in Kaiji shoes lol if there is even an argument about Tatsuya then Kaiji definitely doesn't belong lol,
Copied previous spoiler-

romagia said:
perhaps akagi would've been a better example?

Killaclown said:
I don't get the anger

Comic_Sans said:
They ruined her

gedata said:


The whole "not good at systemic magic" thing is rendered moot when stacked up against his other amazing skills that allow him to overcome terrorist factions on his own. Factor that in with that the show confirms his bullshit world view and can't go five minutes without someone reminding us how amazing he is. The whole "can't use magic like everyone else" only pays lip service to a character flaw when in reality it doesn't stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants

Killaclown said:
aw I c, holding off on anime until I finish the game... if I ever do lol

DrGeroCreation said:
a true self insert ,wish fulfillment character like Sora and Kirito

DrGeroCreation said:
Tatsuya is a guy who overcomes his disability by excelling in other fields mainly through hard work.

gedata said:


Hard work that we never see. And yeah I know he has to be good in other fields but it's taken way too far. I still remember the second episode which focuses on hyping a duel between him and a Bloom, only to have the duel last 5 seconds until Tatsuya and then proceed to spend like 10 minutes of the next episode info-dumping exactly having Tatsuya and the Council explain how he was just tougher/better/faster/stronger then his opponent (which is boring as hell and the show does this shit all the time).

DrGeroCreation said:
The very first episode we see him doing martial arts and we always see him working. Tatsuya just knocked him out with psion waves don't think about it too much, it's not that hard to understand. He also grossly underestimated Tatsuya that's why he lost so easily. The info dumps are needed to better understand the unique magic system.

sullynathan said:
For some reason I was expecting people on MAL to just post op characters instead of actual mary sues

gedata said:



>Info-dumps are necessary.

Nope, it's magic. They can get away with handwaving some details. I'm here to watch a cartoon to have fun, not to get University Credits "Introduction to Fake Science"

DrGeroCreation said:
The magic in Mahouka isn't typical hocus pocus magic that you mainly find in anime. The "magic" is influenced by Science and technology so technobabble must be thrown in. Mahouka is a more sci fi than fantasy.

gedata said:

Also Tatsuya's kind of a dick. Remember that one scene where he complains against the social inequality the terrorists were fighting for? Remember how he claimed that the people in power (those born with the ability to use magic) deserve everything they have and the muggle plebs deserve nothing? You'd think he'd have a little more empathy for people with ascribed statuses that make it inherently difficult to live given his situation with the Blooms, but nope the guy is essentially a Weed with a Bloom attitude. How am I supposed to back a character with such a horrible social philosophy?




It's watching some jack ass going on about how social-safety nets should be cut while his sister re-assuredly blows him

gedata said:
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that begs the question of whether this is a story that was ever meant for the animation medium to begin with. Like it or not there are times where the transition from dense prose to cartoons necessitates big changes. Mahouka's refusal to reconcile is huge problem for folks like me who don't want to have to put up with stuff like pic related for extended in place of things actually happening.

DrGeroCreation said:
Peaceful protest is the way to go not terrorism. Magicians have been treated as nothing but weapons in the Mahouka world by non magicians so it's understandable that they would have some sort of animosity towards each other . Tatsuya is somewhat right magicians have to go through a lot of trouble to be where they are at. Tatsuya especially had to go through a lot of shit.

DrGeroCreation said:
The magic in Mahouka isn't typical hocus pocus magic that you mainly find in anime. The "magic" is influenced by Science and technology so technobabble must be thrown in. Mahouka is a more sci fi than fantasy.

gedata said:


It's not the opposition of terrorism that's troublesome (violence ought to be curbed no matter the causes is) but it's his aforementioned lack of empathy that rubs me the wrong way. Of course Magicians have to work to become what they are, but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't have to start with absolutely nothing. No one can become a doctor without actually putting in the hours of studying, but that doesn't change the fact that no matter how hard you work there are systemic barriers that nigh impossible to overcome without having money or your side (or in Mahouka's case, magic).

Tatsuya said:
The difference they speak of is the difference in mean wages. They do not consider the extent of hardships that Magicians go through to obtain their high salaries. They also ignore the fact that Magicians are only allowed to work in fields pertaining to magic, even if these backup Magicians would receive lower salaries than ordinary office workers.